I was driving to work in Austin toward the airport at the time this was unfolding between 06:40 and 07:00am. Although I didn’t see the aircraft involved, it was still dark with considerable fog. This video depicts a bright sunny day which this was not. The FedEx pilot is the hero for having the situational awareness and avoided the accident at the last second. Although the video does show how close the two planes were which is probably close to accurate, it does mislead how and why it happened. The FedEx plane was in an auto land approach because of the low visibility and ATC cleared the the SWA plane to take off with the FedEx plane only 3 miles out on final with auto land.
@@4bibimimithey’re supposed to follow the controller, by the time the pilot above said abort, it would’ve been more dangerous to stomp on the brake. IRL there was a lot of fog which made it so the airplane on top couldn’t see until he was really close, which is when he called abort, something which your not even allowed to do, call from one plane to another
@@oskifv as you can hear the controller said "you are cleared to land" at the same time southwest was ready for take-off exiting hold point of the runway. the only way was pomping that gas or go around but they didn' t from each other so they actuaslly did what they needed to. southwest cant sniff that he is going around butt
Rubbish....in a true scenario. It was not - it was a MS simulation. But in a real situation the aircraft on final approach would have watched that situation develop and initiated the missed approach way, way before this simulated incident.
@@tbarr_8 never mind about FedEx. South wasn’t on taxi and wasn’t on standby either … he was taking off already from far and couldn’t abort anymore. FedEx could and did put back the gas max and landed safely after that. But all in one; nobody else then controller was at fault there. He deserves to be fired … and honestly, I really hope he did get fired.
@@sub-zero710 I could agree with you if it didn't concern hundreds of lives. But when so many depends in what you are suppose to do, then there are faults that aren't excusable. And that mistake to my point of view is just not excusable ... it's not just a gate mistake or something that would have only little consequences; that kind of mistake could've lead to a real disaster. You cannot ignore it.
For those that don’t know, this is a re-creation of an actual event. The actual event had overcast clouds down to like 100-200 ft and like 1/2mile of visibility. The tower could not see either plane, nor could either plane see each other at any time during the event. We know how far apart they were from transponder and radar data.
Imagine being in heavy clouds and following the runway approach lights down to '100 then crossing the threshold at 140 kts only to see another plane just in front of you on the runway accelerating at 60 kts. That's the stuff of nightmares.
might want to wait on that. let's see how much SWA gets blamed for being cleared for takeoff then not rolling. SWA heard FedEx Heavy being cleared to land.
The FEDEX should have executed a go around as soon as they saw Southwest pulling in front of them. Yes ATC mucked up but I would have gone around as soon as I saw the mistake, they never would have been that close if immediate action was taken. ATC telling Southwest to abort so late in the takeoff roll was not a safe option. Lots of poor judgement all the way around. Whenever I am cleared for takeoff I check final before taxiing into position. Obviously Southwest forgot to do that.
@@herbmccormick1016 i got several hundred hrs of military flt time. I agree……gumshoe controller n gumshoe southwest pilots are an indicator of our aviation future. Friggen sw crew need to get their hearing checked and put back in rt seat till further notice
They all need an overhead rearview, for these situations! It seems as if the two pilots were talking to each other, with ATC no longer involved in the situation.
@@rennaehanson9996But a high powered lens would not have captured the engine audio that clearly and with that detail of the engine passing the lens. It would have been deafening.
I clearly recognize the voice of the ATC that gave Southwest the ok to roll. He worked for years at IAH and I wondered what happened to him. I'm thinking now I know why he's gone.
You know what I live in Austin that south west pilot could have tried but he said negative ..Atc caught the mistake . south west pilot didn't wait this clip is only a short if you hear the whole thing you'll see the pilot was at fault.
@@CalvinLXVIInope, they did follow the atc, the atc usually allow departure before a cleared arrival. This is usually done due to high volume of departure (busy hour)
Better than having them sit on the runway waiting for you to clear them lol. Seriously though, 3 miles is sufficient in NORMAL weather. In LVP though, like this was, nah, no way.
@@billbuffington3037 180 knots is 3 miles a minute, yes. Provided that an aircraft rolls immediately when told to be ready immediate, they should be airborne in 40seconds or less, and as long as the departing aircraft is airborne by the time the landing aircraft crosses the threshold, all goodski. Landing aircraft can also be told "continue approach" instead of getting a landing clearance until such time as a landing clearance is reasonably assured. An ATC would have a plan in place for what happens when an aircraft doesn't roll immediately, and that could be (for example) to cancel takeoff clearance and send the landing aircraft around, or it could be to continue the departure and still issue the go around, applying visual separation and turning when able. All of this is IRRELEVANT when it's fog and Cat-III ILS conditions, and the departing aircraft should NOT have been where he was.
Даже во время тумана оператор вышки никогда не даст команду рулежки судна на ВВП, зная что полоса занята. Этого просто не должно происходить по технике безопасности не зависимо от того есть ли там туман или нет. Все команды движения как в зоне ВВП, так и движения воздушного в пространстве координирует оператор вышки. И это его работа, делать так, чтобы пути воздушных судов не пересекались. Так что такой ситуации вообще не должно быть независимо от погодных условий из соображений безопасности! Я вообще считаю что во всех ответственных за жизнь сфера пора заменить людей на AI. Потому что человек последнее время делает слишком много трагических ошибок и не думает о последних. И я благодарен компании OpenAI что у них уже получилось создать умную нейроную сеть которая с каждым днем становится все лучше и умнее. Я благодарен компании Waymo, что их беспилотные авто скоро заменят всех водителей на дороге. Человек перестал быть нужен на рабочих местах, где он несёт ургозу для себя и окружающих, я лучше доверю свою жизнь AI, чем идиоту на должности отвечающему за безопасность моей жизни. Так же все силовые структуры и политические сферы так же пора перевести на AI и робототехники, чтобы был порядок и не было коррупции. А что останется человеку? Ничего, ничего не останется, человек своей тупостью приближает день, когда боллшенство рабочих сфер будет замени но на AI и робототехнику.
@@richarddrapeau7599 only for clear conditions and when directing the departing pilot to take off without delay. Neither of which were part of the actual event.
They can't wi-- their a---- right let alone drive a car that can do anything but stay in the ground. if people are going to fly. This current society needs to be extermin----.
I was a passenger in a plane taking off in a situation just like this at Washington DC many years ago. We aborted liftoff at the last minute with reverse thrusters and it saved our ass. Our piolet was none too happy with this and asked us all to report the incident to the authorities.
@@LucitaBrown Jan 1983. Flight to GA for my Dad's funeral. Flight out of Newark NJ to DC, then to Atlanta. It was the same airport that had a bad crash into a bridge close to that airport killing a bunch of people a month or so before. River was frozen partly, and snow-covered ground. My flight was just after a big snowstorm in the north east where I live. Our piolet as pissed. Long line of planes waiting to take off and because of what happened the tower let us go to the front of the line and try again......Can't remember the name of the airport. Passengers were upset.
@@dabprod mine was in a storm too. The plane took off twice and aborted twice. We were all freaked out, especially when we then went for a third time! Success. It was in the late seventies. The only reason I was even in DC was because I made a reservation to go to Washington, not Washington DC but I was too young and inexperienced to specify “state” lol.
@@dabprod Now that I’m thinking about it, I made my reservation for Dallas where I was supposed to connect to sfo, but the agent must have thought I said Dulles. It was a mess.
Sorry so sorry that happens. I think I would have passed out. God was with u all. I don't know what is happening to the command center. Isn't anyone thinking of seeking it on its screens??? U were lucky so was this time around!! Hopefully, it doesn't happen again!
I'm convinced that the control tower operators are very passive in doing their job sometimes definitely.. I am not flying again I've seen too many things and I saw a show where a little clip was not put back in properly and it brought the whole plane down so that's that. Steven
FedEx was doing Cat 3 approach meaning no visibility and no aircraft can be cleared onto runway due to possibility of localizer/glide path signal interference.
The actual weather was IFR, CAT 3, auto land... the pilots did not 'see' the aircraft on approach and the controller broke procedures to let Southwest get in front with potential for radar interference to the cleared FedEx.
I've seen a couple of C-130 backing up (1 of 'em is a few years back before the back up camera) and I was wondering, how can he do that. He didn't even have a side view mirror.
yes if they abort they would be risking the overrun at that time the aircraft was already airborne that is when southwest pilot replied to fedex “negative!”
Those pilots are both heroes. FedEx took command acted and gave southwest the abort command. Southwest was past v1 and continued takeoff bc to try to stop would have killed everyone on their plane. Controller needs a cat scan.
@@notoriousjohnnygaming4359probably sky dolly or the default one, they all suck though, could also be live traffic. I’ve done plane spotting in vatsim and all you need is 2 friends.
Given that the tower was advised by fedex that it was a CATIII approach & subsequently cleared to land, Southwest should have been held short & no clearance given. It was fortunate that the Fedex crew had situational awareness & was able to avert a major crash.
You do realize there would be no controllers. Every controller in their career will have a situation that is close, never forget we are running far more traffic than anybody else in the world with fewer controllers.
I actually witnessed this scenario at MKE. The plane on approach gave it maximum throttle so much so it sounded like a squadron of fighters taking off. Thankfully the plane that entered the runway didn't try to out run the approaching plane.
@@davidgivens9381 The plane in question was the plane attempting to land. It was on it's approach above the runway when it throttled back up. I wasn't sure what was going on until the nightly news reported the incident.
I cant imagine how many averted disasters occur on any given day in the airline industry. So glad I havent flown in 30 years. Dont miss it one bit. Flying is dangerous.
Good thing Fedex has a very good pilot. Notice he immediately lift back his landing gears to accomodate more clearance and ready to change flight direction 👍
Southwest has a reputation for doing things quickly. They taxi fast, get on and off the runway fast. On a normal day, clearing them for takeoff with a plane on 3 mile final would be fine. The problem was this was a foggy day, right at minimums. And they were moving slowly, probly double checking to see if they had the visibility their airline requires to be allowed to take off.
It's well-known that most airline accidents occur during take-off and landing. In this video, it was an almost simultaneous situation. Bet the FedEx pilot was cursing up a storm...and the Southwest pilot was either heavily reprimanded or even permanently grounded. 😮 Wouldn't be surprised if the FedEx pilot formerly flew heavies whilst in the Air Force. Did my share of flying on military transports during my time in the Air Force. I always felt safe as a passenger. BEST pilots ever!❤
That's crazy and every time I flied in the past, I always think about stuff like that but just pray that God would make the flight safe for everyone on board.
This makes no sense. Crashes will happen. People will die. Why would “God” make one plane safe, and another crash? What good will your praying do? Why would god change their mind?
It helps paint a picture for how the incident happened. The actual incident happened in really foggy conditions but obviously not easy for viewers to see. Simulators are still great.
When you have a death grip on your armrests with two seconds to live, take comfort in knowing that you have the most diverse flight crew in the industry. Have a nice flight ✈️.
What does any of this have to do with diversity?! You guys really have so much hate in you. I actually feel bad that you have to live with yourselves. This was an ATC problem.
@@miraid06 Diversity is fine, it's when diversity takes priority over skill and ability when it becomes a problem, especially when applied to flight operation personnel. Aviation is very unforgiving.
There was very low visibility that day and the SWA pilot could not see the FDX on final. SWA flight delayed its departure after being cleared, which caused the loss of separation incident.
