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Considering how much abuse is thrown towards them in these videos, I'm shocked this hasn't happened sooner... and this was one of the more tame videos in terms of abuse posted on this channel. The sarcastic clapping of the red team and the constant whining of the red team's manager showed their lack of class as well. This isn't professional soccer and the AR who eventually snapped at the spectator, and doesn't look a day older than 16, is deserving of the same decency and respect that you would treat someone in public instead of the constant abuse that the supporters show. This kind of behaviour would get you fired or at minimum into the HR office at work, so why is it acceptable against minor sports officials in an amateur sport setting?
@johnchemo4248 what would happen if i came to your workplace and started shouting at you saying you're shit at your job and you're a worthless piece of shit..
To stop an entire game and ruin everyone's night because someone was rude is an incredibly self-centered special boy reaction. Send the rude spectators away and grow a pair, no need to ruin everyone's night because of one asshole in the crowd.
@@winterbear8633 to abuse an official because of some perceived missed calls making them unable to continue and ruining everyone’s night is the epitome of selfishness. People have to blame to spectator and not the referee otherwise nothing is going to change other than nobody being willing to referee in the first place. At that point, there will be no night to ruin.
@winterbearnl yeah no fuck that noise. The assholes in the crowd that couldn't keep their dumbass mouths shut ruined everyone's night. Not the kid who's just trying to do a job and getting threatened over it.
"Hurt your feelings? What are you a ref for?". Man, people seriously believe they're entitled to say whatever they want to a referee without reprimand or consequence and that referees have to just absorb all of that. This kid is exactly that; a kid, and doesn't deserve any of that. Also, it doesn't matter if it's in Polish or English or whether the referee understood the exact meaning, I'm sure he was clued in enough to understand that whatever was said was out of line
Oh don't get me wrong John, obviously the assistant was out of order for speaking back to a spectator like that. But it takes two to tango right? The bigger question in my mind is do these local leagues in this part of (I'm assuming) Canada not require clubs to appoint a person to reign in the spectators when they get too abusive? Just from experience in my part of Aus it works very well and the ref's still have someone to turn to in order to have spectators held accountable. Just food for thought I suppose@@johnchemo4248
bruh thinks refs aren’t people with feelings. have fun living an entitled, shallow, superiority complex filled, empty-shelled life alienating yourself from everyone because you feel the need to be entitled and above people
As an official myself, the amount of abuse I receive every game is unacceptable. We shouldn’t be told to ignore the spectators and get assaulted for making a wrong call. The referees made the right choice here to abandon the game. The spectators need to learn how to behave and not take their anger out on the referees.
Good for the AR lol! People saying that the ref should toughen up, but when the players are out there crying over small trifling fouls, why aren't they the ones toughing up instead of crying? It's late, teams acting like kids and then moaning over every non-call? I got better things to do then to get verbally abused in any language, see if your coaches can ref your game lol. Funny vid, thanks IST!
Considering how much abuse is thrown towards them in these videos, I'm shocked this hasn't happened sooner... and this was one of the more tame videos in terms of abuse posted on this channel. The sarcastic clapping of the red team and the constant whining of the red team's manager showed their lack of class as well. This isn't professional soccer and the AR who eventually snapped at the spectator, and doesn't look a day older than 16, is deserving of the same decency and respect that you would treat someone in public instead of the constant abuse that the supporters show. This kind of behaviour would get you fired or at minimum into the HR office at work, so why is it acceptable against minor sports officials in an amateur sport setting?
Hmmm...they'd probably do just as good a job without getting all sensitive about it like you! In the meantime I'll let you get back to your knitting...keep warm!
I believe there was an actual threat to an official. I agree that the game should’ve been abandoned at that point. I think the players reactions afterwards spoke volumes as to the lack maturity. Clapping at the end…..really? This is why leagues cannot get referees when they are threatened and abused.
You know, as a referee, this is cathartic. Luckily for me though, my league has a no tolerance policy where any spectators that swear at an official will be sent off and the match will halt until they either leave or are escorted off. Still doesn’t stop ridiculously bad takes on something the fan has no clue about, but it helps for sure. I’ve only had to send someone out once and they honestly needed to go just for their own blood pressure with how red their face was as they yelled.
Every team at this level says offside all the time. As long as it's not like this game and they're complaining so much they bother the refereeing team then it's just completely ignored.
If the ref feels personally threatened then he has the right to leave, this happens everywhere and everywhere the ref has to make the decision to risk his life or not.
So for people that are saying, "Just kick out the spectators", the referees do not have the power or authority over them. Should that AR have responded to the fan? No. But when that fan responded in a threatening tone "What did you say to me" OSA would view that as a direct threat to a match official. If the Ref, at any time, feels like the safety of their crew or the players is in question, they have they power to abandoned a match. With the video we see here, the Referee was in her right. You may agree or disagree, but the abuse to officials at all levels of soccer, whether it is Grassroots or League 1 has gone too far. That is the reason why no one becomes a Ref. Continue to yell at people that are there doing their jobs. I tell people all the time, if you think you can do it better, ill send you the link, and prove it.
Referees have the power to make sure they are kicked out in most competitions via the coach/manager/captain. Giving the manager a red card for the conduct of their spectators is rarely needed. The threat is usually enough.
10:27 just shows the stupidity of spectators. Looking for offside call when a red defender is just standing there after the ball is played. Well done AR, well done crew for abandoning this match.
Does anybody remember that a referee was murdered in Toronto 1 year ago during a soccer game? It's better and safer for the officials to leave than put up with the man-babies that play soccer in the GTA.
see this is why im taking a break from refereeing, grown parents wanting to argue with me over everything i call or dont call and then it just boils over to the players who mimic their parents behavior, if teams want their games to happen they can find their own referees
I bet if you ask all these players who is a referee most to all would say they are not. Be a ref and see how it is when grown men at like babies over a game that means nothing
And these leagues wonder why it is so difficult to find refs. They should have no one to ref their games anymore, maybe then they would learn some respect.
This obviously is the worst case scenario for any referee - an assistant talking back to the crowd after low-level abuse and escalating the situation. Clearly AR2 is young and inexperienced, so as a referee our duty is to protect that official regardless of their decisions/actions. After all, he is a child under the eyes of the law, and so any abuse from anyone whatsoever falls under child abuse. In this case, it was pretty clear that regardless of any action taken (swapping sides of each AR, asking coach to remove the spectator, etc.), AR2 was going to walk away from this game. In other words, there was no other option from the centre referee other than to abandon the game. As a refereeing team you can’t continue the game because the child must come first to be protected from the moment they walk off that field. You never know what could have happened after this game, especially with how the crowd was acting. So unfortunately the referee made 100% the correct decision to abandon the game. AR2 cannot be put on another senior game until they gain more emotional experience (the offside calls weren’t bad, the only missed one was a flash lag scenario which are notoriously difficult to judge).
>AR2 cannot be put on another senior game until they gain more emotional experience The spectators cannot be allowed to be anywhere near a game until they gain more emotional control. Fixed it for you, asshole.
If violence was threatened by a spectator that is clearly an unsafe situation. Abandon the match, leave immediately, and file an incident report with the competition authority. If offensive, insulting, or abusive language is used by a spectator, pause the match, contact the site administrator and have them deal with it. If such language is used by a team official such as a coach, warn, caution, or send them off depending on severity. If there is no site administrator, this duty falls to the home head coach. If the home head coach refuses to deal with it, warn, caution, send off the coach for irresponsible behavior (not dealing with unruly fans). The only way to change someone else's behavior is through consequences. If coaches don't get sent off for not dealing with their sidelines, things will never change.
As a referee myself, I've had to deal spectators heckle at me and argue continuously throughout matches. To me, the AR did not handle the situation with the spectator correctly. At the max, should've just warned him to be removed from the area and banned from coming back as he should have his cards on hand with him to give a red if needed. You never give the fans attention, because if you talk about and try to defend yourself, that will just fuel the fire and give the spectators more of a reason to talk back and get in your head. Your focus as a referee is to regulate the game and stick to the line to watch for offsides. Although the center did make a fair decision in calling the game because of verbal abuse, the AR should learn to handle abuse and words from people or else this is going to continue happening for them.
there should be ZERO tolerance for this shit. I understand being competitive but this is stupid. players and coaches that do that shit, should be banned from playing in leagues.
For the second goal, red 8 is on the 6 yrd line with the goalscorer so no offside and for the third goal red 16 is playing blue 12 on by a mile Players and spectators just argue for the sake of it sometimes without even knowing what they saw themselves
if it was the AR saying, "shut the F up or ill call the cops", then he shouldnt be a ref. i myself am a referee, and only had a few games being an AR under my belt due to injury. but the one rule everyone has told me is to keep your mouth quiet. dont complain to players or spectators. just inform your center referee or the league for the players behavior. no need to quit a game and throw away your earnings.
The issue here is that, under the laws of the game, an official cannot take direct action against a spectator. Only other option is to go to the coaches of the team and tell them "this game will not continue as long as the spectator(s) remain in the stands". Then let the coach deal with them, or abandon the match.
@@x96malicki yes, correct. I even didn’t see if it was a spectator or player. But yea, there are some things you can do. And then, final step is to terminate the match. Or just leave, which I get.
People will say the refs need to toughen up but that’s just not true Spectators should enjoy the game and shut up and let the refs do their job. Players should show some courtesy and butch about every challenge of offside call. Refs r human just man up and move on. Flailing ur arms and even throwing abuse at us won’t change our mind and defo won’t help ur cause. At the start of the game I seen a player slide the ball past another felt a brush off his boot and stop playing, that’s how I knew I was in a soft contact game
@@pantarei8382the reds should card the players, the only real thing they didn’t do, when fat slobs who r too lazy to get in the defensive line start complaining about offsides and tackles with minimum contact there’s gonna be nothing but trouble When the players start actually playing properly again I’ll get off their back. Ref abuse is accepted too much and when the refs have enough people say their too soft
Good for the ref. All the out of shape spectators can’t even walk the length of the field - just shut up and enjoy the game. Humans don’t have to put up with verbal abuse from other humans. Good for them. Walk away - it’s not worth it.
Hmmmmm - I bet that’s what happened in Toronto at the indoor game - right before the suspect came onto the field and shot the ref and 2 players. Not sure, but occasionally things escalate - so maybe yelling at a kid, at a soccer game being played by unskilled men, should be the problem addressed, not the kid who wants to stop being verbally abused trying to make a few bucks.
I can understand the spectator's reaction to an extent when the match official tells them not to swear at him but then proceeds to swear at the spectator in the same breathe. Having said that, it does not mean you can react in a threatening manner. I'm reading a lot of people mentioning about ejecting the spectator and others commenting that they can't. Depending on the football/soccer association, it could be a viable option. I used to officiate in my local third tier, and asked the head of refereeing what the correct procedure would be following being constantly verbally abused by a spectator for majority of the game and the response I got was: 1. When you first hear these comments report them to the match referee, via your comms; (comms wouldn't be an option here as these officials don't seem to have them, but just report the comments to the match official verbally as the official did here) 2. Invite the referee to speak to a stewart or someone else in a position of responsibility, with a view asking the perpetrator to desist or even be removed from the ground; 3. If positive action is taken by the club, then that should be the end of matters; 4. However, if no positive action is taken, then ask the match referee to detail the matters on the match summary report in Comet. Now this is following my football associations code of conduct which includes a "Liability for Spectator Conduct", so I guess it really depends on this football/soccer association's disciplinary code.
At this level if nothing is done by the manager then the refereeing team should not wait until another day to take action they should just abandon the game.
Putting adolescent girls in charge of a men's league soccer game is the first mistake of this officiating association ... that's a recipe for disaster from the get-go! Way to go ladies, I'm glad you had the courage to say FU and walk away. Let them officiate their own game!
She might be a bit older than she sounds. In my competition I know no one under 18 ever referees adults. We'll have no referee before we have a girl refereeing men.
As a ref there are clear issues on both counts. The players need to shut their mouths and play football. Simple. The level of disrespect to female referees is quite evident in this video. To carry on belittling the officials shows the childish level of maturity of some of the players, coaching staff and the spectators. The ref isn’t without fault here either. There is no problem with talking to players, but not as often as she did. Many opportunities are available on the run. In this incident the ref should have spoken to the AR and then punished coaching staff or players accordingly. Then continue play. I believe she controlled the game well but lacks experience in tough situations. The problem with leagues in many countries is that they throw young officials straight into the fire without adequate mentorship. I wouldn’t have abandoned the game.
I definitely agree, but this is a tricky scenario. If AR2 refuses to continue even if the spectator is removed (which was clearly his mentality at that point), I think that as a refereeing team we are obligated to abandon the match. AR2 is clearly young/underage so if he walks off the game he needs protection from the moment of the incident until he gets home. If he feels threatened and abused by the spectators, we have to remove and protect him from that situation. If that means abandoning the match, so be it. I would hate for the game to continue without AR2 and for him to be attacked in the car park or in the dressing room. You never know what could happen.
The problem is the number of games being played vs the number of officials. So they stick barely qualified officials into games such as these. We can't win... either we are making the game about 'us' or letting it get out of control. How about player ls and coaches control their own behavior???? Many people don't want to 'have to' put up with the abuse another, just to make a few bucks.
This game was correctly abandoned for a threat. Spectators who think they have a right to say literally anything they want to underpaid officials doing this *for fun* are the reason there are too few referees and umpires in every sports in North America.
Girls shouldn't be refereeing men's league BUT that doesn't excuse the men for their behaviour. Sad situation all around, the refs losing control and the men who didn't recognize it and piled on.
BS Men referee women's games all the times, why not women refereeing men? Referees are just another fields condition... they make calls, deal with it and play within what they call, stop wining.
This is a non-sensicle comment. I ref with Ladies weekly, and some are the best in the area. And she didn't lose control. She was perfectly calling most things and her game management was spot on.
@@grumpyref I will never stop winning. Re-read my comment I said "that doesn't excuse the men for their behaviour". You should read the whole comment before trying to argue online.
@@iansoccerreferee "her game management was spot on". The abusive language coming from the bench/coaches that she failed to address and then having to abandon the match says otherwise.
A reff cant just decide if he wants to be there or not mid game, just cause public sad something man to him.... If this was any organised association...... then this Assistant Referee should be banned for life from being an referee I myself am an AR and this is sad to see... disgraceful towards all of us.
A terrible environment for a woman to be in. And that does not justify the abuse in any way, but this little assistant referee is not suited for a position of authority.
Nah, I'm on the refs side. It was well reffed by the main and but it seems the two assistants were very picky with their offi sides. That doesn't mean players or the crowd can hurl abuse at them. As someone at 12:00 said, he's a spectator, just kick him out.
Don’t be afraid if you cannot take the heat that happened in every game and you have to control yourself don’t be emotional do you know what you sign for so be responsible and do your job don’t run away I am also a soccer official for 13 years. Some people say you’re good some people yell at you you have red and yellow use them.
@@aboualarabyu can’t card a spectator though and that’s what this is about and the reason the game was abandoned Yes absolutely card the players if they’re not getting with the programme
Why was the game halted? If it was verbal abuse then the ref made the right call. There should be a zero tolerance policy on excessive verbal abuse. If a team or individual choose to act like petulant children then they should get treated as such.
These refs clearly had no clue how to control a game. Let their egos get in the way. That’s par for the course these days. The best refs are the refs you don’t remember at all.
The refs are too strict and formal. Never works on any level. Especially not on low level when players are making fouls all the time and disrespect everyone. You need to approach them differently. Make them realise you have personality and that you can talk to him/her.
With all due respect, the referee is very professional and is earning the players respect by taking control of the match. Unfortunately female officials sometimes start behind because males have a hard time listening and taking direction from females. In my opinion, as a Grade 7 Referee in Ontario/accessor, she earns an above average mark for her work on the pitch. AR2, he probably just had enough of the abuse and lost his composure. He should have never have used foul language towards the spectator (or anyone) But, he is young and probably still learning. Unfortunately I think this is becoming more and more normal every year. Remember, without a referee it is just recess…
@@kevinh7947 The ref is using the incorrect approach. Too formal and strict. As I said. That’s why it didn’t work. If anything female refs get much more respect. I am a referee observer and a referee since 10 years. You don’t ref a game like this as if you are dealing with gentlemen that will listen to strict lines and formal body language. But at this level referees aren’t skilled enough to read the room and adapt to the game and change how they manage it.
Agree to disagree, but remember, she was not the one who had any trouble on the pitch, was she…. She was not the one who abandoned the game because she not have proper game management… she did it to protect her crew. Again, she had the respect of the players. The AR had none and she supported him as opposed to trying to managed the crowd. At any grass roots level, parents/spectators should cheer for their team. No commentary on the third team that is on the field….
1:50 That whole interaction for something that was barely anything is ridiculous And again at 5:47 Just trying to make the whole thing about her. Didn’t need to happen
I’m sorry but all the people complain about the players don’t play football. Clearly. The verbal abuse and taunts and swearing is normal even on professional level. You just don’t hear it cuz you hear the crowd and commentators. These refs from the first foul till they left were bossy, arrogant and then thin skinned too. They all should either get thicker skin or stop referring. What was said wasn’t even that bad compared to things that can or could’ve been said.
THEY STOPPED THE GAME OVER SWEARING(BY SPECTATORS) these 2 women and one weird looking guy refs must have been used to reffing children ... THIS WAS A DISGRACE
@@WrinklyTraveller Hmmm...now you're being as sensitive as those officials! He's entitled to his opinion. This is what I say to players or spectators that confront me..."opinions are like arseholes...everyone has one!"...and if they are under my jurisdiction, I follow with up with a card....simple!
These refs are a disgrace and I am not talking about the (several) mistakes they made through the game. Their job is to officiate the pitch, not talk with or about the fans. Now, I do not agree with fans (or anyone for that matter) abusing the AR, even though what I have heard in the video (probably not everything, admittedly) barely qualifies for abuse. But if you want to be a referee in any type of game will involve some abuse thrown at you. You shut down the one you are responsible for and shut out the one you are not and that is it. If every ref that got called a name or two left the game, no football game in Greece (and I mean every single league from the top to the bottom and even kids' leagues) would ever end properly. Hell, we "abuse" refs in 5v5 friendly matches... They most usually laught it off...
As a referee I do agree, we tend to get abuse commonly, this is another reason why we have cards, I don't understand why she didn't either switch her AR about or kick the person out of the stands/supporter area she does have the power. Mistakes will come that's the reason she's officiating at that level and not higher
@@Airzoft Match Officials do not have the power to kick anyone out. There are 2 options. 1) Play the match and deal with the heckling and report it to Ontario Soccer to which there will be an investigation. 2) Depending on if it escalates to verbal abuse or threats of physical harm , than they have right to abandoned the match, and report it to Ontario Soccer to which there will be an investigation.
@@SwaggyP12243I would say a potential alternative is to go to the coach of the home team and tell them that the match will not continue until the spectator is removed. And then report the incident regardless of the outcome.
@@SwaggyP12243Actually yes they do. They can demand that a specific fan, a number of fans or a specific area be evacuated, or they will stop the match and then make the necessary report to the federation. It has happened in at least 3 cases that I know of. In two of them the fans were evacuated. In the third some fans refused to leave and the match was ended and the team nearly relegated. But they do indeed have to have a very good reason to do this. Getting heckled for your decisions is not a valid reason.
@DeDreiko, I agree 100%. Fan said "how the F is that offside" and the ref started yelling at the fans. Totally unprofessional. Refs are not supposed to interact with fans. If he can't handle that then he should not be out there. If he things get out of hand, then he should go to the coaches. This is one of the biggest problems in soccer today. Refs are way too thin skinned and leagues are allowing/encouraging/teaching them to be. Teach officials to ignore what the fans are saying. Teach them to manage the players and coaches.
No player should be hurling verbals at an official of any age. It’s not the refs fault reds defence can’t organise their shape better and moan at every offside call whether given or not, both goals were good and the refs didn’t put a foot wrong so y should they be getting abuse. A ref that makes a bad call should be criticised but no one should ever be abused
@@pauricmckelvey1286 Inform the spectator that if he don't leave in 3 minutes, game is over. They have the authority to do that. It boiled over really fast. Maybe the comment "Don't you ever talk to me like that again" from the jagoff spectator was enough of a threat. There was a lot of chirp, but seems normal for these leagues. I would kill my kids if they acted like these brats.
Hmmm....OMG...AR2 is a weak individual and should consider officiating chess tournaments in the future...his sensitivity will hinder any progress in the game...imagine when a crowded stadium give him a hard time!
@@bestintheworld568 Hmmm...If I walked off the field every time a spectator abused me, there would be no match concluded....it looks like this will be the outcome for every match he officiates in, going by this example!
@@johnchemo4248 well you didn't mention the person who gave the abuse first, just went after the lino. Just assumed you thought it was okay for one person to do it but not the other. Also, looks like he's no older than 16, so just a kid, getting abuse from adults. Want to grow up a bit don't they, these supposed "adults"?
@@bestintheworld568 Hmmm...of course I went after the AR2...he needs to harden up if he wants to succeed in this career...it's not tiddlywinks! If he can't handle the heat get out of the kitchen!
Did exactly the same after reffing for 30 years manager of the team which was 5-0 up stormed onto the pitch after an off the ball incident, he’d be told several times to calm down after questioning virtually every decision so threw the whistle at him and told him to crack on, needless to say he didn’t have the spine to do it, do I regret it not one iota.
