I am afraid that all this planning to add to the current offering CFS compatibility, is to keep sales on these units moving. If they came out this early and said no it's not compatible, people would wait and sales would dry up. I won't be surprised to find it's too cost prohibitive and won't be pursued. No matter to me because I am enjoying my K1's and Creality is the reason I got into 3d printing...Cheers!
I purchased the K1 Max with the hope/expectation that multi colour could be added to it. Now that they released the K2, without knowing any cost of a CFS upgrade, I think it’s pointless as the difference in cost of the K2 vs the used value (I assume 40% of new +/-) plus whatever the cost of the CFS is probably not a lot of cash. Might as well just buy the K2.
there are only so many ways you can make a product everyone is asking for so.... ''clones'' is a dumb way to look at these products. People need to stop being for hyper critical about this small market. I don't see anyone in the comments or doing reviews making a new design for bed slingers or core XY machines??? Everyone wants a $3000+ machines for penny's.
Exactly, if they want different go buy a XL. It will cost an arm and a leg though. If you want it affordable, this is what we get it's a simple concept people just do not understand.
Nearly every printer review has someone in the comments saying it is just a copy of this that or the other. Psychiatrists must have a name for that phenomenon.
I’m very impressed with your answer to my comment with regards to the door smashing issue. I thank you so much for responding. I only have a heavily modified CR10s Pro, so not too much of a Creality fan, but you have earned my subscription, and I’m looking forward to more of your Creality news videos. 😁
As for the poopshoot at the back I guess they do that because they have the space there. One option is to connect the poopshoot to a drawer underneath so that the waste can be removed directly. Many have built this into their shelves as a DIY solution. Manufacturers could integrate it directly into their printers similar to the drawer that Creality has built into the Falcon 2 Pro or they could offer it as an accessory.
It’s funny how people complain about companies “copying” Bambu labs…. This is competition and it’s only good for end users more competition breeds better products at cheaper prices. I’ve only been in 3D printing for about a year and I can’t believe how much it has moved forward in just that time
@TheRealSamPrentice wrong...prusa is pretty much the father of all of this....he expanded the reprap project to make 3d printing where it is now...creality copied his I3 3d printer style...as they copy everything else...its the Chinese thing to do
I'm really happy with my K1. I bought it directly in China so I guess it's the latest batch. I have no issue with it at all. Works out of the box, then I later restore the missing Klipper files that Creality removed because I want to send gcode directly from Orca Slicer and want the Fluidd interface. Overall pretty easy to use. Now that I heard that a multi-color printing solution from Creality is coming soon, I'm really excited that it's going to be compatible with my printer or even any printer.
Very Informative Video Sam. Really answered some valid questions regarding retro fittings possible solutions. Glad your home safe. Your credibility and honesty has never been in question with me good sir. Can't wait for the Preorder Launch.
Hey Sam! I would love to see a video talking about whether or not to catch a Creality printer on sale right now and get the “ams” system later when they release the upgrade kit or to hold off and wait for the k2 series to release.
I do not think usb being a huge issue, using a USB adapter cable it can be routed any where you want. I am sure some owners will come up with part to move it on the cfs
My k1 took a lot of work to get it to where its printing now (you can watch my timelapse shorts lol) what are they putting in place to make sure the k2 doesn't have all the issues the k1 has and still has ?
what about the nozzels size? i had to use a 0.8 mm in to my k1C but in the slicer there is no way to set it up, i had to change all the setting manually.
Bambu did nothing that hadn't been done before. They simply packaged and marketed well so many neophytes saw these features first in the Bambu. It was all there before.
I really hope they used a thicker aluminum bed plate. That would solve so many leveling/first layer issues. I've got my K1 Max pretty dialed now (over 1,000 print hours) but still have to heat soak the bed before printing to be consistent. I put a thicker bed plate on and it was amazing. Unfortunately the silicone heater on it died and had to go back to original
Ok, for Suggestions : Usb on side sucks, CFS needs a heater for dehumidification/drying, poop chute should come out the right side or even to the bottom below the heat plate. Creality please get all that done before you get the one I got preordered today shipped LOL :)👍
Question, Should I wait for the K2 Plus or go for a discounted K1c / Max? I want to look into the rabbit hole and get my first 3D printer, currently looking at the K1c and the K1 Max but the Max is a little tight for my budget, also guessing the K2 will be at or above the Max's price. Bambu seems hard to find in ZA so I don't really see that as an option.
I am stuck in the same boat! The k1 and k1c are a little too small as far as build volume goes for me but I’m stuck between whether I should catch the k1 max on sale, pickup a bambu A1 or just wait for the k2 series to release and save my money until then?!?
if there is such a question, then you do not have a specific task for this printer, it is stupid to think that it will appear with the printer, I would recommend waiting, so the choice will be greater and you will probably take a different model altogether
Has there been any info on how the ams/cfs system could work on the v3? I recently upgraded from v2 to v3 (early adopter!) but was on the fence with the BL A1. Couldn't wait so went for the simple route of v3. If I had waited I might have gone for the v3 plus, but since viewing your videos about the potential of cfs for the v3 I am quite excited about multi colour printing on what I have without buyers remorse kicking in now the A1 is back on sale
Hi, I’ve commented before, but I’d like to find out either the K2 plus could eliminate Z Banding(wobbling due to the bed slinger) ? I am looking for a big printer that is able to print tall prints no issues. When printing tall prints on my old Cr10, the top part of my prints will have layer shifts. Since this is a core XY printer, I’m assuming this printer will be the solution? Thanks
Looks like a high end build. Annoying they still use smooth idler pulleys on the toothed side of the belts. Hope that doesn’t still introduce the VFA as we have seen with the K1 series.
Creality had a rocky start with the k1, i am a k1 owner and love it. I got lucky and didnt have any issues. But if creality wants to stay in the race they need to have there launch printers work straight from launch, basic things like hotends and extruders being bad designs at launch is a really bad look considering how basic they really are.
I got mine this past Dec, Had a gen 1 extruder and hot end. Nothing but issues. bought a gen 3 extruder and microswiss hot end. still have vfa and an uneven build plate. So if the k2 doesn't impress greatly I will be jumping ship to another company
LoL Bamboo Labs copied other people's ideas but added much more user friendiness. Someone else will do that and add more. Competition is good for the consumers.
Is the USB thing really a big issue for farms? I don't 3d print on that scale and never plan to, but you'd think that you would at least leave 2-3 inches between units (or is adequate airflow around an enclosed printer not that important?) so you'd be able to fit a flatter drive into the slot and still have space to remove it, no?
Dual exhaust fans, but the carbon filter is no longer externally accessible like the K1? Very disappointing, will make it difficult to mount piping to an exhaust system.
Great video Sam, keep the content coming. It does not make sense to me that CFS power and data cable comes out of the top of the 4 into 1 buffer. It looks like the lid of the CFS could even put strain on that cable and buffer port.
While Creality will sell their products to anyone, I believe no one commenting here are the target customer. Make units plug & play and sell them to any/all fabrication/mfg companies. The worldwide market is ready for a change in how business is done. We could mention the apparent improvements and changes added to the k2 machine (k2 series?) like a longer filament tube outside the wire chain and how it doesn't hit the lid or the different x axis guide ways. How many people complained the filament mount on the k1 series was on the back of the cabinet and not on the side?
Hi everyone! In your opinion, should I get a X1C or is it fine to wait for this to come out? I’m really interested in the bigger print volume while keeping the possibility of printing multicolour and multi material. Thanks in advice!
I know it's bed-slinger vs an enclosed printer, but how does the k2 and or k1 compare to the ender 3 v3/plus other than sizes? I find that space seems to be a huge game changer and having the 'poop chute' on the rear of a printer now requires you to use more space... which for me invalidates their size dimensions if you need to throw a bucket behind the printer or even make some kinda slide going into a small metal can for disposal... That, and as much fun as it is saying you can print 16 colors... or 20...i imagine how much space that takes up simply to not have to change filament... it's only good for someone with an entire studio for only 3d printing to put it all in. Overall the k2 seems nice but it's it worth it over a k1 or k1 max? I think the k2 is kind of lax, same speed, few new features that you don't really need, and multicolor... which the majority of people printing will even buy if it isn't affordable. Thanks for the video, I'm only printing as a hobby, and make things for my other hobbies... i think the k1 max would be the next upgrade if anything (whenever my ender 3 v3 plus gets here). I'll be excited to see how they compare I just watched your ender 3 v3 plus video showing the extra y motor and small differences... Now... to wait the extra week it'll take for my printer to ship from the us warehouse :(
Hey Sam. Great videos - I'm new to the channel but I will be subscribing! Out of interest, if you don't buy the CFS, where does the single roll of filament mount? Does it go on the back of the unit like the K1C? I couldn't see anywhere obvious for this.
Not having a heater in the CFS is pretty stupid. In higher humidity climates, a spool heater is a must for certain filaments. Ideally, 1 CFS would have 4 separate heated zones, but I understand this would be costly for a mid-level printer. Creality should have made each CFS to heat to a specific temp so you can print up to 4 different materials with 4 CFS units. Alternatively, to avoid copying Bambu, they could have made individual heated spool modules, so we can add a module as needed. On an unrelated note, did they make the build plate thicker? The K1 Max stock bed warps too easily.
So, the CFS reads RFID tags. Does Creality currently sell any filaments incorporating RFID tags, or is this going to be a pointless feature for some time?
Thanks for the info Sam, well explained as usual. Will be interesting to see how it goes compared to my Bambu, but im liking that all the manufacturers are coming out with color.. Bambu's response will be good im sure, but how long will it take them? Competition benefits us :)
12:55 that retraction sounded pretty grindy. While you were there with the K2, did you notice a lot of grindy or other unsettling sounds coming from the machine? Any excessive vibrations or rattling?
While you are talking to Creality and just about any manufacturer you need to tell them to get their act together with profiles. Great it works out of the box but not as well as it should without a proper profile. They particularly forget different nozzle sizes. It makes me suspect it gives the reviewers an out because they frequently say the problems in their prints are just due to a poor profile.
I’m very keen to find out more information about the K2 plus. Not particularly interested in the multi filament system, however if the price is right, I would buy it as well. Question for you Sam and Creality. Will the K2 machines be capable print CF/exotic filaments and has a Ethernet port. Also will they be available in Australia for a reasonable price.
Yes it’ll be able to print all the filaments suggested and I hear various others, with the 350 degree hotend and heated chamber. It does have the Ethernet port and there are various security features to that port. They have an office in Australia and if you buy one I’d be happy to personally deliver your unit to you. @creailty let’s do this
You are the enemy of the rabid bambu-fan-boys herd. As a bambu user, I have to be very careful to not even insinuate that it may somehow be the machine when I ask for help . I actually feel that competition is good and if creality wasn’t there Bambu would command a huge premium. Another thing about competition is that if it is clean, it will drive much better products. But, right now, Bambulab machines are the apple of consumer 3D printing, so I am happy with it.
Meh, the build size is nice over the K1 Max but the AMS system is last years or the year before news! People want less waste multi color options not more AMS systems! Can do 4 colors on a K1/MAx with a 3D Chameleon for $179 so not much groundbreaking here. This is a little better option with the poop shoot and you don't need some of you build plate for a purge block like the 3D Chameleon but it is only a marginally better option!
Weirdly enough both (benchy and spiderman) multi-color prints were just a layer change print, at least the benchy for sure, and spiderman was so thin that you couldn't see the different color change on layers if any. A proper multi color print with 2/3/4 colors on the same layer would add more trust in the CFS / AMS unit!
Im'e in two minds wether to get this printer or wait for the bambu labs large format printer , as i am 90 percent sure this printer will have problems out of the box and it will be eventualy fixed over the next few months, or wait a few months for the bambu one and know it will work straight out of the box,so im'e in a catch 22 at the moment .
O NO at 19:06 time line YYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY did they use pulleys with no teeth on the tooth side of the belt!!!! That is a big no no it induces vibrations into the belt system as the teeth ride on the flat pully. WTF that is belt design 101.
Hi, hope you can answer a few questions regarding K2? It may really be true that they have chosen to install the board on the right side at the top. It makes no sense at all that they have not chosen to run a cable at the top for USB instead of it sticking out the side? and yes, I know you probably can't reveal where you get one. but have a lot of other things I also have questions about.
@@TheRealSamPrentice one of the questions was whether they have moved the motherboard up to the side on the right where the usb is now and why have they chosen that instead of keeping all the electronics at the bottom
@@TheRealSamPrentice ok saw another video from creality where an english speaker showed it and talked about it and he didn't mention anything about it being a pre production model. After all, there is no way to decide whether to throw around 1360 GBP / 12000 danish kr for such a printer when you don't know how the final product will be?
Bambulab is the apple of 3d printing. no matter how many other companies make bigger or " better" printers according to them, bambulab will always top the cake.
Can the cfs system be mounted remotely - like on a shelf above the printer? My concern is the amount of us who have to print with the lid removed to stop extruder clogs?
Looking at Anycubic new color system vs CFS and Bambu. The BL and CFS have motor driven spools and Anycubic does not have motor driven spools. The motor driven ones look like retract is quite long and takes a bit of time while the Anycubic uses four tubes to extruder, no driven spools and retract appears to be short with I guess the extruder during all the work. Can you comment on pro/con of the two methods?
Well my concern is on the waste side, it’s really only tool head printers that’s seem to overcome the terror of the purge, Bambu more recently introduced a purge reduction method that looks pretty interesting while the Kobra 3 to Me looks like a rip on the A1. The cfs has a pushing mechanism on the back of the printer but still has drivers in the cfs unit. My experience on the Bambu is them over working and delaying my prints which is a little annoying. Let’s be fair until this system is treated to a real battering we simply won’t know how good it is, all of the footage coming out right now seems to have a Creailty engineer stood right next to it in case it craps out.
@@TheRealSamPrentice Thanks for the reply - everything you said is spot on and strait forward. Like many we just have the itch for multi-color experience. BL environment of over control keeps me away and I'll just wait out Creality CFS info. I'm happy with Creality (Ender 3 Pro now have KE).
Oh Jesus Sam, you've been gone for a while... and now you're back and making contact already. I only have 1 question, why the North Korean haircut? Lololol
Mate all creality printers are bad there on the k1c and it is still bad quality i have the s1 pro and ender 3 v3 ke and the new bed level does not work right . Bambu is my next printer can not keep been tight and buying crap . I bet the k2 will be really bad has there k1 was rubbish they made loads of changes and its still got issues . Its a shame has they sound good on paper but in the REAL world are BAD .
copying 1 for 1!! same ams system 16 colors max same changing filament cleaning mechanism same mistake of tube dragging over glass covering all they added was stickers and a y splitter on the back
Who actually cares? BL printer is using all copied technology too. Not only did BL copy and take open source technology, they locked it down so you can't actually use the free open source technology they copied. Are you crying about that as well?
the Chinese have been copying all their lives and have already flown ahead of everyone in development, so for them copying is not a curse word but praise
A 350×350 XY print area is really interesting, but why do you have to combine it with a height of 350 mm? As far as I'm concerned, it's very rare for me to exceed 100 mm in height. In the same vein, why always have a square bed? If one day a manufacturer made a printer with a print volume of 400×300×250 (XYZ) I'd probably be the first to buy it...
Well Any Delta printer, and LulzBot TAZ Pro Long Bed but its $8k - Square has always been attractive, some companies have tired different sized beds in the past tho.