Another great idea that makes another great video! Thank you Joe, you show once again that this machine is a real bottomless Ali Baba cave filled with treasure
Hey Calin, thanks for watching. Keygroups are crazy powerful, and you can do some really interesting things with them. This video just kinda scratched the surface. I’m hoping to make some more soon.
They say Hype was all hype and no bite But then Joe shows how to turn Hype into an incredible sound designer synth. Suddenly, the hype is all too real.
Hype always is great for what it does imo. It's easy to mix "organic" with synths which is a common sound design techniques to help provide "depth" to our productions. Ofc it cannot do everything but if we want a classic dance piano, lead, etc it can do it and nothing stops us from layering it on various tracks to get an even beefier/custom sound. It reminds me of how the M1 can truly help a song shine even tho on it's own it's really dull.
Great video, learned a ton of different things, and I would have never thought of creating custom keygroups by sampling a mix of patch routed to the same midi track. Brilliant and useful!
Thanks House of Latin! Good to know, I hadn’t actually run through this on the MPC yet. I haven’t had my MPC long and wasn’t sure if you could do the same type of MIDI routing. Still on my list to take a look at.
@@Noise-Conductor I haven’t forgotten about that idea - I’d like to do it. To be honest, I’m struggling a little bit with how to present that one. I feel like if I get too technical, it’s going to get dry and boring in a hurry. But if I don’t, it probably won’t be that helpful. I’ll keep thinking on it. If you have any ideas, let me know!
@Joe Filbrun It doesn't have to be entertaining but informative. Just explain what filters would be best for different kinds of situations & any cool tricks like how to make sounds more bassy with an HPF. This blew my mind 20 years ago because it's not what you would expect from a filter that's cutting out the low end. But if have the resonance turned way up boy oh boy it can make things go boom boom! People like your technical approach, so the more "boring" the better.
Never thought of using the autosampler like this. Mostly I use it to bring in sounds from external hardware or use MPC Beats to bring vst samples across. Interesting way of doing it and reducing CPU usage. Nice sound BTW. Nice one. 👍
Yet another excellent video. I want to explore how to do a wavetable synth w MPC/Force and was thinking about some use of offset automation w a wavetable sample.
Nice! The weekend I was just playing around with keygroups. An idea for another video, I noticed that keygroups can overlap within the same keygroup program, wich means that we can have more than 4 layers in a single keygroup program if more than one keygroup is layered on top of each other. To try it out, I made an electric bass with 5 velocity layers (1 layer muted+ 2 layers fingered + 2 layers slapped) plus one sixth layer with some subtle string noise triggered as a key off. I still got to test if this can be combined with the wave sequencing technique from your other video. The only problem is that there might be a lot of mapping samples manually. Just realized you already did a video adding more layers! ( Advanced Wave Sequencing)
Hey, thanks Koraamis! Funny isn’t it - keygroups seem pretty simple on the surface. Then when you start thinking about how you can combine the features that are there, you start realizing you can actually do some pretty crazy stuff with them. You’re right, after the first auto-sample, you have to manually assign things if you want more KG layers. It’s not too terrible though. You can auto sample to a separate key group to at least collect the samples, then all you have to do is place them. Thanks for the suggestions!
@@joefilbrun Yes, that's a good idea, thanks. It would be great if there were more alternatives to control the layers. Velocity works great to switch between some articulations, but a switch control would be nice, maybe there are more work arounds, but I have not yet found anything like a switch control to switch between layers.
Hi Joe, excellent work. One question: if I save at the ende at key group I cannot find it anymore. If I save as Track it's fine, I can load the track (key group incl. all settings). Why it don't work to save a a key group ? Thanks Dirk
Excellent, I done this previously but never made a new KG. Great idea. Btw, what arm are you using for your camera to record? I have a pole, just not the mount
Thanks @vaiman7777! I'm using this one, which includes mounts. A bit pricy but I wanted something that wouldn't move around on me. Generally I'm pretty happy with it although it does require some included Alan wrenches if you want to make adjustments to it. www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0915CJZ21/?th=1
thanks.I have a question,when making keygroups from other plugins such as jura,stage ep, everyone that i have tried has thesynths effects on but my finished keygroup does not have the effects applied to them.I know how to add/insert the air effects in the mixer,but generally speaking shouldnt the default effects that are enabled in the plugin itself be recorded when the keygroup is being made.
Hey Joe! I'm struggling to play live key changes on the force pads. It doesn't seem ideal to have to switch the note settings menu live during a performance. Are keygroups the best way to go with this? But using keygroups removes the ability to tweak the synth params while playing... got any tips?
Hey Kevin, have you tried switching your notes mode to piano? It gives you a multi-octave chromatic arrangement of pads that is sensible to work with. If you play keys it would prob feel comfortable for you. If not, it might take while to get used to compared to scales mode. Another idea might be to map the transpose control of the synth to a project knob. Although you wouldn’t be able to switch from major to minor, etc. that way, you’d just be changing the root note.
Well for a beginner that’s a hell of a lot of new steps and watching other videos and learning about key groups then watching an autosampler video and lots of step that aren’t explained moving really quickly all to make a new sound. Would be really helpful to start video with what eventually we will accomplish. I’ll skip forward and see. Ok so it’s just three sounds playing together. I need to go watch some videos on key groups and why they’re important.
I’m so confused how did you pull the sample into the key group? Key groups are sounds anyway??? can you select melodic sounds from the internal library into a new key group, or do you have to go through the whole process you’ve explained for every time you want to use a key group???
Hey Darren - sorry if I confused you. You can put any sample you want into a key group. They can come from the internal library, or stuff you import from your collection from elsewhere. In this video I was trying to demonstrate how you can resample from the plugin synths and make them into new sounds. But basically any sample that you can load from the browser can be used. Doing that loads them into memory where they can be assigned. Using the sampler to to resample a synth also puts a sample in memory that can be assigned. So no, you don’t need to necessarily resample synths to make a keygroup.
