Sue Cook and Nick Ross present. The cases are the missing schoolboy, Daniel Handley in Beckton, East London and the murders of Julie Pacey in Grantham, Lincolnshire and Ken Brown in Barrow on Soar in Leicestershire.
What comes across more than anything in these Crime-watch TV episodes, is how the death of a loved one leaves a massive vacuum in a family’s life, especially if the crime is unsolved and nobody is ever brought to justice. The aftermath of a murder must be the most awful of experiences, because when the dust has settled and the home of the victim has been cleared and sold or rented out to someone else, the memories plus the home video are all that are left, with the pain and suffering around forever probably. I bet there’s not a day that has gone by where family and friends haven’t said to themselves, “what would have been” ? I have often wondered how much support and help families of murder victims get in our society, then and now.
The horrible foreshadowing of what the actress said in the reconstruction of Daniel's case. She said "He'd help anyone" and at the time of filming, they didn't know that he'd been taken by two men who got him into their car under the impression they needed help understanding a local map.
@Anthony Mcken Agreed. Perhaps the pre drop, slow strangulation type public hanging as used in the 18th and early 19th century type of execution might be more suitable. In fact I'd like to advocate that for all paedophiles, rapists and murderers.
Daniel Handley's case haunts me to this day. Who knows what path he would have followed in life. He seemed to have a huge personality and a lot of cheekiness. Bless that little boy too trusting for his own good. I always told my children that adults don't need the help of children for anything, and to ignore any requests to help look for/at something. Poor Daniel I will always remember the case, and the revulsion of hearing what happened to him. RIP sweet boy🚲🎈🏀🧸
That "Adults never need the help from children for anything" statement is incredibly good advice, I don't have kids but if I ever do that is 100% what I'm going to teach them when it comes to strangers, it is completely true
Adults DO need the help of children for particular things!!! 😡 Particularly the elderly and those with no good company around them. What a toxic thing to teach other people!
@@letsdiscussitoversometea8479 that is a completely different thing altogether! Of course my children did things like that! I was talking about adults who target children when they are on their own!! That's the problem with commenting on threads like these - there's always people who take them the wrong way!
@@ajs41 Theres a programme which details the case and how the police caught the killers its on youtube and its called crimewatch file daniel handley a stolen life
The murder of Julie Pacey has bugged me since the first time i watched this episode back in 1994. The young girl who saw the man walking directly onto Julie's drive and walked straight into the house, why would someone know to open a front door and walk in? he must have seen day before that at that time Julies house is open for kids to come home. He walked in but didn't have the nerve to attack? maybe saw the school walking and thought she may be coming there. He had workman's overalls yet no van or vehicle he might have wasn't seen, when he saw Julie drive past he ran back and carried out this horrible crime. Its likely he has carried out other crimes but seems to have avoided detection, Julies family deserve closure hopefully he'll be found soon
For me, it seems that the clues point to someone who had worked on the new housing estate close to Julie's house in the days and weeks before the murder. The murderer could have seen her, took a liking to her, planned the assault when he went in the house aa couple of days before and carried out the assault in the knowledge that he would be close to a main road leading out of the town. Its really frustrating there's a full dna profile which is unmatched. It's time the law changed and police were allowed to look at familiar dna that people upload to dna history websites, there's the information there to solve several unsolved murders.
@@dk401 what do you mean law changed ?? if the police have a full dna profile then they surely can immediately have it linked to someone who is on the database familiar or full profile they can match to a familiar at any time they have caught murderers and rapists that way
Well to me the man coming out of the house was her fancy piece!! and she just told the girl it was a stranger also the strange car she used i really think she was having an affair but why she was killed iv no idea.
im so lucky i remember once, while coming back from shopping, must have been nine at the time a man called me to help him move his car. he said that I should get in his car, while he gets out and moves it - - that creeped me out and i ran off
Cheers buddy, saved me going to church this morning, well that's my excuse anyway 😀😀 good morning all my regular crimewatchers, keep up the good work Buddy.....
The Daniel case gave me chills he’d only be a few years older then me and i remember boys rocking that style especially the long bit at the back of the hair , he was obviously an out going cheeky little thing with lots of character sadly to say that made him an easy target.. i hasn’t read up what happened yet and tbh i don’t think i want to 🙁
Horrible disgusting scum bags that don’t deserve the oxygen they breath. Funny story about that haircut. Around 94/95 I cut the fringe of my curtains to try and tie it and attach it to the back of my head like that style (Rat tail was the name I think). As u can imagine it didn’t go to plan and my mum was pissed that I ruined my hair haha
I've just been reading about the murder of Julie Pacey so I thought I'd watch this. When they're discussing it Nick Ross says that the suspect in blue overalls has thinning hair "as we can see", but that isn't the case with either the e-fit picture or the actor in the reconstruction (who has a noticeably thick head of hair), and I don't remember reading this detail anywhere else. It seems reasonably important, because if he had thinning hair when he was in his mid-30s in 1994, he's probably bald by now, if he's still alive. As evidenced by the actor playing him being reported as the suspect when they re-showed this decades later - that actor isn't bald now. The suspect might be if his hair was thinning 30 years ago.
It's quite startling how someone probably/quite simply just walked into Julie Paceys house in broad daylight and rubbed her out like chalk on a whiteboard then after sexually assaulting and strangling her walked off into obscurity. All the while their was no sign of struggle , she was wierdly fully clothed, no forced entry and the DNA traced in 2015 isn't on the national database so either the assailant is a psychopath who covers his tracks very well or something is seriously wrong with how this crime has been investigated.
I've always thought Julie Pacey murder was committed by a member of the Travelling community. I don't for one second think she was having an affair or knew her killer . Asking for directions was a common ruse or excuse for being somewhere you shouldn't be in those days , couldn't do it nowadays cause of SatNav . Possibly a man unable to father children or Familia DNA might break the case. Where ever the assailant come from he knew his purpose before he left home that morning and had indeed been planning it for sometime. Almost certainly still alive but leading a very careful life , sly enough to gauge he could still be caught. Lives within a 60 mile radius.
oh who cares , so someone says something you don't like, don't read it or respond. Why you gotta run and tell the teacher, like a little puss.?? Grow a set.
The Julie Pacey murder is a very strange case. Firstly, I think the BMW lead is a red herring of some sort. Why would Julie drive one around and not tell anyone in her family about it. I do, however, believe the acquaintance who saw the BMW go into her driveway on the day. There could be a connection although Julie was seen after this sighting. 'Overalls Man' is the most likely culprit. Especially if the neighbour around the corner saw him running after Julie's car shortly before the murder. Perhaps he was doing a rec on the Friday when the girl saw him? I also wonder if there is a link between this and the Sharon Harper murder, also in Grantham a few months before. They only link appears to be they both occured in a relatively small town a few months apart as the modus operandi seem to be different. Whatever happened I hope both Julie and Sharon's loved ones see justice done soon.
@@alex123case Bear in mind that these are the hardest crimes to solve and that's why they turned to Crimewatch. I think the clear up rates for murders in the UK is over 90%
So for me, access to a BMW 5-series (which was certainly worth more than her own Audi at the time and quite a car) and being actually seen driving this BMW around her own estate yet her own husband had no idea of this suggests that she may been having an extramarital relationship with someone who owned that car, possibly some sort of businessman, she may have tried to bring about some pressure or blackmail against this person where they may had to silence her using some paid hitman? Yes, I know it sounds very TV drama like but it isn't like these things don't happen. The internet (for the public at least) let alone Facebook or camera phones didn't really exist then, so gossip could be easily offset, or, Julie and her husband had open relationships but kept it quiet because of the children?
Such a weird case julie pacey murder. I was around Grantham at the time and everyone saw the suspect the week before and all agree the E fit was perfect. But he has never been found, I think he knew julie and was there to kill her. He didn't go to any other address
@@jazzyhomelife2093 It's quite startling how someone probably/quite simply just walked into Julie Paceys house in broad daylight and rubbed her out like chalk on a whiteboard then after sexually assaulting and strangling her walked off into obscurity. All the while their was no sign of struggle , she was wierdly fully clothed, no forced entry and the DNA traced in 2015 isn't on the national database so either the assailant is a psychopath who covers his tracks very well or something is seriously wrong with how this crime has been investigated.
Daniel was just so adorable....does anyone know if someone was caught for his murder? What a dreadful world we live in when such a beautiful child can't be safe to do child things....normal childhood things that we all did at that age...his poor mum. Poor poor mum..just read they did catch the evil bastards..
@@quagmirewasere Yeah. I think the onus is on the perpetrators to not go around killing people, rather than the mother. Regardless of who she's having sex with. And as a 90's kid myself, I can tell you we were all allowed to go running around our local area. I was out with my friends all the damn time.
The case of Stanley Nicholls was absolutely tragic and remains unsolved. His brother, Gordon, couldn't cope with it and became a recluse and was the victim of anti-social behaviour so bad, that he would only leave his house through the back door. Ended up collapsing in his flat and died in 2012, he was only discovered by police after a call from a concerned neighbour who hadn't seen him in months.
I just checked Wikipedia about the case (haven't watched this upload yet) and recognised the names of the perpetrators because I watched the CW File when it was originally transmitted. An utterly horrific case. I also remember that one of the actors in the CW File - a distinctive-looking chap, who played one of the killers - had previously been in Paul McKenna's TV show, in which McKenna hypnotised people and they made fools of themselves. (Or not, perhaps, if actors were being used.)
Stewart Spaull I cant believe I missed this CWUK file I was an avid viewer from 1998 onwards so surprised I missed this. My earliest memory was the guy who got murdered on the London bus around 1998/99 there was an argument on the bus and the guy got stabbed think it was in south London
@@rtd8860 That case the bus murder in South East London stayed with me for years. I think the victim was Herbie somebody. A christian man. They caught the killer eventually. The scumbag.
Hi, I have uploaded everything I currently have. I may have other episodes from the late 90s and possibly early 2000s. Might be a while though before I get them on here.
@@redcard7475 It's a good collection. I'm looking for an episode from 1996. If you could help or possibly look to see if you have it I would be so very grateful. I can explain in more detail why and exactly which Ep privately - we'd be able to pay a small fee to cover your time looking. Not sure whether RU-vid has a DM ystem but my personal email is celia.watson@gmail.com
Hi redcard great job. Do u upload any rough justice or trial and error? Ther are some on the net but alot are missing... Would make great addition to your excellent crimewatch viewing 👍
I've seen the following actors in reconstructions. Mike from only fools, the cook in you rang my lord , Hilda braid, nanna moon, and Alistair from as time goes by
- Sarah-Jane Potts (been in many British TV shows and films) - Tony Hirst (Mike Barnes from Hollyoaks and Paul the fireman from Corrie) - Marcus Bentley (Big Brother narrator) played a murder victim called Paul Logan in February 1994 episode. - Dominic Brunt (Paddy from Emmerdale) was in the Fred Maltby reconstruction on Crimewatch File. He also played a man who tries to help a victim in a reconstruction of a failed robbery.
@@sandytighe4854 The first series up until 1997/98 are the best then the program went downhill. Sometimes they beat a crimr movie/novel. Sort ok keep you guessing who did it.
There's a cruel undertone in the commentary here on the Ken Brown murder, writing "business partner" (with quotation marks) to suggest some kind of unwholesome relationship. Smutty innuendo is not warranted.
Poor little one. Absolutely devastating. The world was robbed of a good, sweet & kind human being when those monsters took the rest of his life from him. May Sweet Daniel Rest in Peace 🙏🏻🌹xxx
That’s got me thinking, actually! I wonder how CW went about recruiting actors for their reconstructions back in the day? Obviously I assume the cops would have briefed them on each perp’s reported physical description before casting. But considering both organisations were appealing for people with the same characteristics, I wonder if they ever shared resources? How weird would it be if it turned out a murderer had actually ended up playing themselves and reliving their crime in a Crimewatch reconstruction, mere months after doing it for real??? 😳🤭🤯
Sarah Sea some of the actors were actually police officers. An example of this was in the penny bell reconstruction. One of the builders was actually a DC who appeared on another appeal
i'm yankee but i've been a true crime buff and a gorehead since long before the internet (i'm 55) and for years i would've loved to see true crime stuff from other countries but it was non existent on american tv (you think the american media is insular now ya shouda seen it then) and either way this show was about solving u.k. crimes so there wouda been no point in showing it on american tv but now that i have youtube i absolutely adore these older crimewatch episodes. the acting is excellent and the lack of background music makes it much eerier and almost like yer there as it's happening. this and the american 'UNSOLVED MYSTERIES' are i think the two best shows of their kind.
Yes , she's striking . Like Jill , I always thought Suzy lamplugh had a resemblance to Jill too , especially one particular photo . Ironically her car was found at the end of Jill's road . 13 years before her untimely murder .
Hi Redcard, please could you upload Crimewatch December 1994. Andy JS did uploaded it a few weeks back, however it was only partial, and featured the last 30 minutes. If you have the full episode of December 1994, please could you put it on here. Also January 1995 HAVE ALREADY BEEN UPLOADED by Andy as well. MAY, SEPTEMBER, OCTOBER AND NOVEMBER 1995 HAVE ALSO ALREADY BEEN UPLOADED by Andy and other RU-vid users. Please upload February 1995, March and April 1995, and December 1995. Also please upload June 1995, it is been uploaded a few years back, but the first ten minutes of it is missing. You be onto 1996 before we know it. Kind Regards Ryan.
When did some bright spark in the CW production team suddenly have a lightbulb moment and suggest that it might be quite a good idea to have the 0500 600 600 number displayed _throughout_ the programme?
He knew of her but shedidn't know him . She definitely wasn't having an affair . I doubt the BMW sightings and would suggest the killers mode of transport was more likely a plain colour transit sized van . I hope the Police send the DNA off for ancestral profiling soon . It may well narrow the search considerably. Not only did the killer destroy a decent woman and her family , but the idea that the daughter found the body is just heartbreaking .
@@IanP1963 the BMW doesn't fit . Mrs Pacey certainly wasn't driving it even if there was one in the area . If there was one on her driveway it belonged to the murderer . This case should have been solved .
@@johnniethepom2905 How do you know she 'definitely' wasn't having an affair???? More than one person said they saw her in the BMW, they all can't have been mistaken.
Another mystery with the Ken Brown murder. Maybe a professional job? Those guys in the woods were a little eerie but I think the 'poachers' could be a red herring, along with the sighting of the Mercedes?
Yes ,very mysterious & sinister Ken's death. It was interesting his 'business partner ' mentioned that Ken could be quite ruthless in business ; so had a past business deal resulted in someone or some people holding a serious grudge ?
Who scouts for a murder on Thursday yet comes back on a Monday? That tells me Julie Pacey knew her killer. Educated guess. Also the mystery of the Blue Aldi and the Running Man is bizarre
Saint Nick: I gather that the man you are looking for has a beer belly and I also gather that he has mousy hair. I gather that he comes from Liverpool with connections to Bristol, and I also gather that he has a distinct Irish accent? Detective Gormless: Yes, Nick, you gather correctly. Saint Nick: Thank-you. Actually, I am very good at gathering, or so I gather.
NICK DUFFY. I was just a little older then Danny at the time and went to school in the same area. It was a different time, before people became as aware of all the sickos in the world. We all walked around freely back then.
Yeah it was a different time. I used to walk from Chiswick to Brentford leisure centre around the same time and I was 9 also. I wouldn’t let my 9 year old do it. Tbh it was probably less safe then because there wasn’t as much cctv so people could get away with it. Either way, 25 years ago or today, no 9 year should really be left to his own devices in the city. But unfortunately crimes like this are lessons to society.
I was a little older than him at the time but I remember in those days we all thought we were safe. People still kept doors unlocked those days. In reality there plenty of weirdos like today. I think there's much more awareness due to media coverage of events
Some people with asbergegus syndrome can be to trusting of other people not sure if Daniel was . But the way he was described as having a trusting nature. Sounds like sombody on the asbergegus spectrum.
Anyone thinks it’s strange that Julie Pacey was in the bmw but her family didn’t know why she was in a bmw do u think this could be linked to her death
Very strange, especially as the implication is that she was driving it, and nobody seemed to have mentioned anyone being in the car with her. I take it that part of the mystery was never solved?
I reckon she was having an affair with the man and she told the kid a cock and bull story about directions as the kid saw the man in case she told her daughter or husband.
I 100% guarantee she wasn't having an affair. She was murdered by someone who briefly encountered her sometime before the crime . It could have been someone who called door to door touting for property maintenance / block paving etc . It could be the garage or dealership where they bought or serviced their car . Most likely the killer was not the principal ie point of sale car salesman but a mechanic or car valet gardener etc . He could well be a traveling fella or second hand car salesman. He would almost certainly frequent car auctions , markets , horse sales . Still believe this case is solvable. The culprit is probably 55 to 60 yrs old now . Unless he has met with an untimely death he's still out there . I don't think he has reoffended for two reasons 1 , the feelings he achieved from commiting the crime were below his expectations and left him unfulfilled. 2 He doesn't live locally but he lives within an hour or so drive and is still fearful of someone making the vital connection .
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