Criminal Lawyer Reacts to the UNPRECEDENTED SENTENCING of Ethan Crumbley's Parents 

My son suffers from a mental illness but, he refuses to accept it. This has been going on for years and years. He's been hospitalized several times in the past 10 years. He recently said to me "Imagine looking down the barrel of a loaded gun and praying that the person on the other side pulls the trigger." My response was "it's called suicide by cop." He insists that he is not suicidal but how am I, as his parent, supposed to respond to that? He's home now. And the job has fallen onto my shoulders to make sure he is okay, takes his meds, continues with his therapy, and stays out of the hospital. It's overwhelming at times. Having said that, there is no way in Hell I'd give him access to a deadly weapon. I worry about my kitchen knives...

The Crumbley’s claim that they never had a clue that their son was capable of this behavior, then why when they heard that there is an active shooter at Oxford, they both immediately thought it could be Ethan. Jennifer is texting Ethan “don’t do it”, meanwhile, James leaves the school area to race home to look for the gun. No other parent with children at that school acted like the Crumbley’s.

Neither the mother and father have ZERO remorse. They stole their son's money and took the first train to splitzville...and had to be tracked down; and were still defiant. I am very satisfied that they have to serve time for their neglect.

I am a teacher, and my district is not far away from where this incident occurred, so I am very informed about all aspects of this case that have been released. In fact, after this happened, many districts in the general area of Oxford had fake threats called into the schools, which led to schools deciding to close. With that said, as a parent and a teacher who has seen way too many school shootings on the news, when the charges were initially filed against the Crumbleys, I was conflicted about placing the blame of the son’s actions on his parents. However, the more I learned, I was proud of Prosecutor McDonald’s decision to attempt to hold them accountable. Obviously everyone cannot know all there is to know about each case, but my recommendation is that if you are conflicted about the decision to attempt to hold the Crumbley parents accountable for their son’s actions and/or how the juries were able to convict them, familiarize yourself with this case. I feel you will quickly learn how badly the ‘parents’ not only prioritized themselves over their son many times, but also seemed to intentionally ignore a plethora of warning signs showing Ethan was struggling in a multitude of alarming ways, desperately craved for the attention of his parents, and was ultimately disregarded and failed by them. Tragically, it appears the actions/inactions of the parents sadly led to unimaginable and (in my opinion) avoidable consequences.

James Crumbley’s phone calls threatening the prosecutor proved to me that he’s exactly where he belongs

Their son, Ethan, sent texts to his mom, which were ignored, telling her that he thought someone was in the house, etc., etc., they were with their horses and never answered him . . . Never! Also, ge asked to see a therapist, his mom laughed and his dad told him to suck it up. That's why they were convicted.

As a teacher, I am 1000000% not surprised at these parents and their lack of remorse and total blame on the school. I see this time and time again.

I will tell u 1 thing. I'm a single mom with 4 teen age children. I work a fill time job then come home and take care of my kids. I know the importance of working and holding down a job so I can afford to keep the bills paid and Food on the table. 2 of my daughters suffer from mental health issues. Since this case, I think twice about leaving my daughter at school when problems arise. The key, I think is transparency. I make sure everyone knows that I am doing everything I possibly can for my children-so that we are all on the same page. The Crumblys just didn't pay attention to their child. He needed attention and help- they did absolutely NOTHING. And what they did do was buy the gun, show him how shoot and leave it unlocked. This is yet another tragedy that could've been avoided if time, attention and due diligence was given. Very sad 😔

I think with your drunk driving analogy the Crumbley's equivalent would be if they bought the son his own personal supply, ignored the flyer on the fridge for the BYOB party, and was annoyed when the neighbor tried to give a heads up on street racing rumors

My son had issues at 13, we got him some help and now he’s graduating this year and placed superior at state level for French horn. If you have a kid that needs the help don’t ignore them

They didn’t just buy the gun and ammo, they laughed off multiple signs of an issue. They didn’t secure the gun. They didn’t get him help. They may not have pulled the trigger but they were negligent.

I have zero compassion for the parents after watching the trial. That kid was pleading for help and his parents were too busy to be bothered by that pesky thing called being a parent.

In this episode, the fabric choice of the suit is STUNNING

My daughter has had issues since birth. I wont go into it all but when she hit her teens, she got REALLY depressed. She is an artist and would reveal her pain through her drawings and words. After i heard her cry FOR HOURS in the shower, i called every brain doctor from our town to the capital, the whole east side of our state. They ALL said "we dont treat teenagers." Im not joking. Talk about heart crushing. We had to hide all the knives and scissors. I had to adjust my work schedule to be there for her begore and after school. Eventually i quit my job. She moved out and had a good first year then it crumbled. She hates me bc i didnt do enough. My husband constantly reassures me i did my best with what i had.

They IGNORED their child's pleas for help. He was experiencing hallucinations, on a regular basis.

His parents disgust me. How do you see the warning signs and instead of getting him help you buy him a gun?!

Other lawyers: "this is not legal advice" Bruce: "I'm your own criminal lawyer" 😂😂😂😂

I watched Sins of the Parents this weekend, on Hulu. It takes you inside the prosecutor's offices before and during the trial. It's pretty phenomenal. Bruce's take on this is excellent, because he comes at this from the defense side of the law. The Crumbley's were utterly remorseless regarding their actions. And as I learned from watching the Hulu video, their lives were just a hot mess. This was SO foreseeable and preventable, it's as sickening as it is heartbreaking. I'm glad this precedent now exists, but I sincerely think their 15 yr sentences were not enough.

If my son told me that he hears voices I would call the doctor faster than he could finish the sentence. And I would never, ever hand him a weapon, not even scissors. A car or a knife have different original uses, a loaded gun only has one purpose.

“In a world of hate, we need more grace.” I like that Bruce!

My cousin is a survivor of the Oxford School Shooting. I’ve been in that very court room. Sick. Absolutely sick.

Fun fact: there was an uptick in gun locks in Oakland County after the verdict.

Bruce somehow gives both lawyer and dad vibes. It’s comforting. 😂

I don't understand how anything those "parents" did was unintentional. Dude was telling them multiple times he heard voices that wanted him to do horrible things. He was asking them for help and not many kids do that; I never told my dad I needed help. The school told them about what he'd write and drew and they _ignored everything._ He wanted help. They legit didn't give a shit and gave him a gun. I blame them for the shooting more than the kid. They deserve to be thrown under the jail because none of this would have happened if they didn't ignore their son and the school and the bright, flashing red warning signs

Jennifer’s argument during trial that she was a helicopter parent was ridiculous. A helicopter parent would’ve been very aware of where her son was mentally. 🙄

The school brought them in and asked them to take their kid home and they refused. She claims the school didn’t tell her, but when they did they ignored them

Yrs ago, I went to my mom, told her I felt like I was going crazy. I kept Ruminating on the words *"You're a burden! You're just such a burden! When Penelope goes, you should too... you're nothing but a burden"* Anytime there was silence, that's all I heard on a continuous loop in my head, all day- every day for a few weeks. My head was telling me that when my bulldog passed, I should just be 'done' too. My mom unmuted the episode of dateline when the commercial was over and finished watching for the following 43 minutes until it was done; as I literally laid on the kitchen floor in a crumpled pile, bawling & hyperventilating, not knowing why my brain wanted me to just be done. Sadly, that was Penelope's MIGHTY SOUL that eclipsed the Sun on her way to Heaven last Monday 😢 but she helped get her Mommy to a much better & safer space before she had to go! I'm crushed but overall I'm doing better than I anticipated; especially looking back to THOSE days. I don't know how my mom could've sat there watching some random show on some random woman who was ended by her random husband in some random way while I was fighting a battle of life & death btwn my head and my heart 🤷🏻‍♀️

The jailhouse phone calls are the ultimate self-snitching!!!!!!! 😱

Jennifer wanted to live in her attorney's side house on Probation/house arrest, and James wanted time served these are some of the worst parents in America. And that's something to take in after being the first parents to be served based on a child's actions throw them both under the jail, especially after James threats towards the judge. They learned nothing after this case.

How the judge didn't give them the max sentence or go beyond the max even after the father is recorded threatening the prosecutor is beyond me.

For those who aren't from Michigan, keep in mind that these convicts WILL serve at least 10 years. There's no good time in Michigan, or really any other way to get less time than the minimum of 10 years. This is because Michigan has a law called the Truth In Sentencing Law, which prohibits the government from letting people out before their minimum sentence is served. There are a few exceptions to Truth In Sentencing, but they're only available for non-violent, non-DUI first-offense single felonies, and are a big pain in the ass. Things like "boot camp"s and the like.

We know the law treats those who accompanied a person who committed a crime as equally guilty. You can say you didn't know he went in the store to rob it, you didn't know he had a gun, but the law says you are just as guilty as he is. The recorded phone calls prove how truly sick the parents are. They undoubtedly abused their son until he turned into a mad dog. No one is addressing WHY this kid was so fucked up? But that recorded phone call by dear daddy gives us a slice of who these parents really are. They didn't ignore the signs their son was cracking up, they incubated it, in my opinion.

The way that Bruce talks about Michael at the begging of every single videos is honestly so adorable, he’s so proud 🥲🥹

I feel like its a minimization to say they "just" bought the gun and ammo. They literally ignored their mentally troubled son to the point where he flat out said "hey i need help, im crazy, i see demons" and they treated it like "oh haha kids are so quirky". They're complete garbage people and parents. They ignored their son AS WELL as bought the gun and the ammo he used for his crimes when he eventually snapped. If they had been actual parents who know how things would have turned out differently?

Sitting here in Albuquerque after Hannah Guttierez’ yesterday sentencing, watching you talk about James Crumbley’s phone calls, thinking HOOOOBOY. I hope this doesn’t become a trend! Now I’m wondering if she got the idea from him? She did exactly the same thing! And it had exactly the same result! I’m 72 and observing what appears to be the dumbing down of America has been a fascinating and un-nerving experience. Thanks for being one of my favorite LawTube teachers! 🌶🐈🌶

I'm so glad I was born and raised in a country where guns and killing aren't worshiped like they are in America . You shouldn't have to be afraid to send your children to school. It is so tragic that a whole generation of children are being snuffed out because a society puts more emphasis on having the right to kill than having the right not to be killed.

40 years ago I was a young military commander with huge responsibility. At that tender age the equivalent I would say is being a parent. It comes with huge responsibility even more so. In my view these parents need to spend a long time in prison to reflect on their lack of responsibility.

18:00 along these lines of staying calm when others are not... if I have to make a phone call where I know I'll get heated, I stand in front of the mirror so I can really keep myself in check. Found out my ex was cheating on me. That phone call was fun! " WHY AREN'T YOU YELLING AT ME? Why are you SO CALM?!? *YOU'RE FREAKING ME OUT!!!* " Feel free to borrow that one 😊

The boy even confided to his parents that he needed help.

I'm part of the 2A community, I have heard a lot about this case. Lots of people say this lawsuit is bad for all people who express their right to carry. After researching this... This crossed the threshold of mental illness for me. When you supply someone with a firearm, and they are showing all the signs of potential violence, you screwed up. A charge for them both is the right thing to do, like you had said. Gross negligence on the parents' part.

When I first heard that parents had been sentenced to jail over their son's actions I was "WTF?!" Then I heard the details. I have a neighbor who periodically talks about wanting to carry a gun in our Constitutional carry state. Every time she starts talking about it I redirect and distract her from the idea. Because I know her - the gun will get taken, the gun will get taken and turned against her, she'll go charging out and shoot at someone messing with her car, she will brandish in the local Walmart - any number of scenarios. She's not crazy, but just doesn't get how careful you have to be if you are carrying. Some people just shouldn't have guns. I can't imagine giving a gun to someone like their son.

Hannah Gutierrez rolled her eyes during the Judge's rendering of the sentence... even struck up a convo with the paralegal ... 🙄

I have some respect for Mrs Crumbley for not bulls****ing in her statement. At least we didn’t have to listen to her saying how sorry she was & that she loves those kids & blah blah like we did with Ruby Franke. Don’t get me wrong, she’s where she’s supposed to be, but at least we didn’t have to listen to her crap. She’s a POS & she didn’t deny it. As for her husband, can’t see him lasting long in prison with his ‘tough guy, I will take you down’ attitude. There are harder guys than him in prison. Thanks Bruce, for your take on this. It’s always interesting listening to your views. Hugs from Australia 🇦🇺

Bruce, I lost a 14 year old son. Its doesn't break you. It DEMOLISHES you. Never can one recover. It's over. Life sentence right tuere.

Nothing is as painful as losing a child. Nothing. I will never forget the day my son was diagnosed with lymphoma. Even that, just thinking about mortality as it applied to child was hellish in and of itself. Worst day of my life and I've had more than my share of bad days. After two years of chemo and radiation, my son was cured and now he is a 30 year old man. We are so grateful for that. But... We had to watch another family whose child was diagnosed with leukemia around the same time as our son. We watched that kid go through almost the same regimen. We watched him go from recovering and looking healthy like our son. Then we watched the kid relapse. After that there was more harsher chemo, a bone marrow transplant and conversations with medical centers all over the country, trying to find the thing that could cure their son. That thing never arrived. After 6 years of fighting it, He lost his battle with cancer and died at age 11. It ripped that family apart. We've lost touch with them but it ended the marriage. The older brother takes solace in volunteering to help kids with cancer. I can imagine the pain. But then again I can't. Eventually, when their sentence is over these two nominees can try and re-establish and have contact with their son. The victims will never see their child again. That will leave a gigantic hole in their hearts hearts and thus I believe the maximum sentence y allowed by law. Nothing is more traumatizing to parents to and siblings tan the loss of a child like this. I pray the parents who l ost their children can recover from the grief. RIP to the victims.

Parents should be held legally responsible for their kids criminal behavior. Violent crimes have increased from 10-18 year olds. Juvenile laws need to reflect that.

Thank you so much for breaking complicated matters into simple pieces. You and Michael are so lovely ❤

I have a daughter who was a cutter and we got her treatment as soon as we found out! As a parent you have to take care of your children! We have another child who is going to drug rehab in a couple of days to. You do whatever you have to do for them!

Young kids let alone teens and young adults simply can’t control their emotions at the best of times. Gun and emotions don’t mix 🙈

If you watch enough true crime, there are parents that don't want or love their child. I wonder what precedent this may set for other parents to be held responsible for the actions of their child. I'm sorry, I hold no grace towards these parents.

I'm glad you guys included the footage of the Father who Forgave the Defendant & Hugged Him. That was one of the most emotionally moving things I've ever seen.

This case hits very, very close to home. My oldest son was having urges of killing people. I found out when he started self destructive behavior like drinking and smoking weed. I thank God every day, and I mean EVERY day, we were able to get the help he needed in time. He has major depressive disorder and everyone in my extended family has either addictions or mental illness. I was able to recognize the change because I’m a recovering addict. This was 3 years ago. He is 21 and takes his medication and I’m so proud of him. He has came a long way. The signs are there if you pay attention and if you care to see the signs.

I watched most of the trial. Ethan told his dad " I need to see a doctor". His father told him to "suck it up". If he had just taken him to a doctor. As for the parents' statements at sentencing, they could not or would not acknowledge their own son's suffering they have no capacity for the suffering of the victims families.

My friend and I both come here, to experience how a loving father treats his kid. Anyone else?

How novel to blame everyone except yourself, accountability be damned. They get a solid "F" for parenting.

As a good Dad, you are the perfect person to comment on this case! You speak with authority.

You have more compassion than me. It's one of the reasons why I love watching you. (Even though I'm vindictive. And so glad this killer's parents were found guilty. They were so willfully negligent.)

That guy hugging the convict “grace” was the best word👍🏻👍🏻 I have restless legs and it uses a lot of energy trying to stop them. And this guy forgives him😳This grace is a level all humans should strive to achieve. Years of martial arts and I could never develop a true calm like that. Years of training.

Love yours and Michael's stuff, Rob from Wales.

No update on Grandma Rivers? I'm dissapointed Bruce!! Lol!! Another great video!! 😎🤘🇺🇸

Bruce, remember the female cop in Dallas that entered the wrong apartment and killed an innocent man sitting in his apartment ?In Court, the mans brother hugged the Female Cop ,who made the most horrific mistake in killing his brother, asked the judge if he could hug the devastated woman and offer forgiveness to her......A moment I will never forget.....a stunning forgiving moment of grace.....The most powerful act I've ever seen.....

I've been waiting for this video to drop, thanks for the insight into this case!

I hope this becomes a norm. Parents ignoring these kind of signs and not only that but providing their kids with GUNS should be held accountable.

To me...the most important thing is not what they knew or when or that they had lots of extracurricular activities that did not include their child. They didn't appear to care enough about their child to actually get to KNOW their child etc. But, put all that aside. The bottom line is not even that they bought him a gun and ammo. The bottom line is THEY DID NOT MAKE SURE THE GUN WAS NOT ACCESSABLE. They had a lock but didn't use it. And it appears that they also just left the gun lying around. Literally any RESPONSIBLE gun owner would keep their gun in one place, the SAME place for the majority of the time they were not using it. And they would keep it locked, unloaded, in a safe, or however it needed to be so the WRONG person absolutely could not get to it. The Crumblys didn't appear to do any of that. Therefore they are responsible for the crime they assisted their son in committing!

Looking at those recorded phone calls, it becomes clear that the apple doesn't fall far from the tree.

Damn Bruce, that’s a nice suit!

Bruce and Michael, you should do an AMA video where you answer viewer questions. If you do one, can you please talk about what it's like for clients who turn up to court knowing they will likely be immediately arrested? What preparations are they or you making? What happens to their apartments, jobs, dogs etc?

The prosecution hinted that the person rolling their eyes was one of the attorneys. And my guess is that it's Jennifer's attorney. The whole "can Jennifer live with me" sentence request was insulting.

When my youngest daughter was in high school she used to go to the homes of two of her friends. I found out the parents were buying alcohol for the girls and allowed them to get very drunk. One of the parents allowed the girls to run around their neighbourhood at night where anything could have happened. When I found out, I reported it to the police and they questioned the parent who was providing the alcohol. The cop returned to my home saying the parent said I was the one providing the alcohol. So nothing was done. My daughter was no longer allowed to hang out with these so called friends. At least I protected my daughter. The other girls continued to drink and party. I told the officer that if anything happened to any of those girls at least my conscience was clear.

Bruce, the school did tell the parents but the parents did nothing.

How tf do you see a drawing of him using the gun they knew they bought him and leave him there, back pack unchecked. I hope the parents of the victims sue the school too.

The fact the kid was begging to go to therapy is why the parents are on trial. People act as uf it never occurred that these tiny humans grow up, have their own mental health struggles and its your duty to help them be as functional members of society. Id gk to an appointment every day a week if i had to 🙄

Always great analysis of this case. You always give us insight into the law

These parents failed their son every step of the way. Instead of getting him the help he was begging for, they bought him a freaking gun. Jennifer Crumbley actually said on the stand their son was an "oopsie baby." When he asked his father for therapy, the father told him to suck it up. When he mentioned the same thing to his mother, she laughed. He told his parents he was hallucinating and hearing voices. If one of my children tell me they're hearing voices, I'm taking my child to a therapist! These parents did not take accountability for buying their son a 9mm gun, not locking the gun up, laughing off his requests for therapy, ignoring the fact he TOLD them he was hearing voices. They spent most of their free time at a barn with their horses, they left their son at home... by himself. I have no sympathy for James or Jennifer Crumbley, I was really hoping the judge would sentence them for longer. *Ethan Crumbley is getting treatment for his mental health in prison now. He is apparently on multiple daily medications now. *The school called the parents in to address the drawing on his math assignment. This would have been a good time for the parents to let the school know they bought him a gun. *We just passed a law in Michigan, where this case happened, guns must be locked up where a minor cannot gain access to the weapon.

Having previously studied this case, and as a mother of (now grown) children, I was appalled that these parents went back to work and did not take their son home and immediately start searching for mental health care for him, that day. The school should have insisted that they do so, in my opinion. The mother had taken the boy to the shooting range, then left the gun in the trunk of her car - not secured. The dad is obviously an idiot, so nothing much needs to be said. Both parents were self absorbed, and ignored their son, for the most part. Then, they fled and hid after the shooting. They knew they were in trouble, in other words. If a person leaves a firearm where a child can get it and someone gets hurt, it is not unheard of for that person to be held responsible for not properly securing the gun.

I also do think the school was neglectful in continuing to let him attend. I think these questions need to be explicitly asked “does he have access to a firearm?” “Has your child had fantasies of killing?” Also, when a child is struggling in this way, the answer isn’t to continue to let them keep struggling. We say, 1) no longer can they attend without support (it’s a risk to the other kids) 2) here are some resources - we can create a plan to getting him back in and in a better spot or in a school with more support.

Ethan DIRECTLY TOLD his parents he heard voices … and they ignored him … then bought him a gun.

I had no idea Michael was so beautiful

With this type of mentality we could charge the gun shops for selling a gun this getting out of control

JC: Contrite words while begging for leniency. Threatening phone calls from jail. WHOLE family bat shit cray cray.

Hey, Jennifer Crumbley and Shanda Vander Ark can hang out together and trade stories about how it isn't their fault.

My daughter graduates college in May and she has already been offered and accepted a teaching job. It scares me because there isn’t enough security in schools. Eventually we have to let our kids go and pray they will be okay.

She texted "don't do it" while the other parents were texting their kids to ask if they were OK. The dad drove home to check if Ethan's gun was still there while other parents went straight to the school. This says it all to me.

Sometimes, the maximum sentence allowed is what is needed to protect society from the defendant hurting anyone else for a loooong time.

You and the genus camera man are 🔥. Thank you ❤

Thanks for all you do Bruce, y seem like a really nice guy

The young lady in the green shirt is phenomenal. What a speech. Wow.

Than you, Bruce! You always bring logic, law and wisdom to so many highly emotional cases. Understanding the law is key for modern society. I appreciate you stating that although you legally own guns, and are a responsible owner, you also state truth…guns are absolutely dangerous in far too many hands in America. Legal gun ownership comes with huge responsibilities, and not everyone is willing to use even the most basic common sense.

The school counselors did not know that this student had a GUN. They would have given different advice I’m sure had she spoken up and said “oh by the way my son has a gun”.

I love how you talk about children, Bruce. It’s inspirational in many ways.

Ok Bruce I love your style and delivery and watch you regularly. As an Irish woman born and reared in Dublin, I need to tell you something (tongue in cheek😂) such a shooting would not happen here. We don’t have guns in Ireland or mass shootings I guess that’s because even our Gardaí don’t have guns. Maybe America should learn from Dublin about not having guns…just a thought. Love you and Michael your content genius. Keep it up, you make me laugh often…love your gangsta stick! ❤😊

Jennifer Crumbley irritated me - she appeared oblivious and ignorant.

I get that this verdict is important because it sets a precendent, but it didn't shock me as much as it seemed to for some... I didn't see the difference here with the gun and something like alcohol. If a bar/establishment can be held responsible for serving/continuing to serve an obviously intoxicated person, they can be held responsible if that person ends up dying/driving drunk and killing others or themselves (obviously not held responsible for what the drunk person does if they don't serve/add to the existing issue). I might be wrong, but I assume parents would also be held responsible if they provided alcohol to their under 21 child and the kid later drove away from home without their knowledge and killed someone in an accident; the responsibility would be even heavier if there was evidence friends and teachers had pointed out the child had substance abuse issues, showed up to class drunk...etc. Hoping this encourages more lax/careless parents to take situations like this more seriously, but only time will tell...

My mother was a teacher for 40 plus years. She was in the cafeteria one day and a parent was there to eat lunch with their child. She stopped my mother and said “Don't you teach them manners?”

The bottom line for me as a parent with a child who has some mental health issues, had I come to school and seen that drawing, the school would not need to ask me to take my child, I would have had him by the scruff of the neck and we would have been on our way to a hospital...wtf!! I am so glad these parents were found guilty!

🎶"Bruce Rivers, he drinks chemical water"🎶

Hey Bruce and company, somewhat newer fan here just wanting to leave a short comment. It's heartwarming how close you are with your son and hearing the compliments you give him at the start of most videos. It always reminds me of my dad who would brag about me or compliment me most chances he could. It can feel embarrassing at times when you're still young but as you grow older you realize how few people in your life do that for you and how special it is. Especially after that loved one is no longer with you. I'm sure your son will keep that with him for the rest of his life among other great things from you. Please continue the reactions and time with your son

As a mental health nurse in Oakland county the thing they missed was H/I (homicidi@l ideation) they were so concerned about S/I they never considered the H/I aspect. Oakland county has many resources some counties don’t even come close to having.

Brilliant video thanks Bruce greets from the United Kingdom 🇬🇧

I'm a 58 year old woman and I still remember my parents "checking out" at age 16... They just didn't care that much. Did they love me? I'm sure they did but they were not invested in helping me in any way. As a result, I grew up with a lot of pain which I have since dealt with. I think the same thing was going on here. Mom and Dad were doing the bare minimum and had checked out and this is what resulted