I'm a pentacostal, but I started watching you because of the discussion you had with redeemed zoomer. I never thought I had strawmanned catholisism before I watched you. Thank you for your videoes, they make me less biased (I think, haha).
Thank you for recognizing the strawman arguments Catholics have to face. It's not easy to debunk something when they have a false idea of what we believe and then judge us based on their creation rather than reality.
As a Godzilla fan I must point out that the "fearsome dragons" are actually all part of the same dragon, which is actually a giant 3 headed monster known as King Gidorah.
Psalm 22:1 KJV [1] My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? Why art thou so far from helping me, and from the words of my roaring? Psalm 22:8 KJV [8] He trusted on the LORD that he would deliver him: Let him deliver him, seeing he delighted in him. Psalm 22 is specifically a prophetic psalm about Jesus on the cross.
As someone who is perfectly willing to order a Filet-O-Fish during a regular weekday, I feel this. I often just choose to go vegetarian on Lenten Fridays because I enjoy seafood so much.
@@jonahstephens2904 That's such a good idea! I LOVE fish/seafood, so that meme about eating it not being a real sacrifice hits home for me. I think I will follow your example with a vegetarian Friday for Lent from now on. Thank you!
Some Calvinists don't recognize Catholics as Christians. Protestants and Catholics don't recognize Mormons as Christians. And Baptists don't recognize one another... in the liquor store. 😎
@@emz6133 Sure, but in Catholicism it doesn't matter what the individual Catholic recognizes so much as what the Church recognizes. The Catholic church recognizes drunkenness as a sin, therefore an individual who doesn't is out of line.
@@emz6133 ''Catechism of the Catholic Church - Paragraph # 2290. 2290 The virtue of temperance disposes us to *avoid* every kind of excess: the abuse of food, alcohol, tobacco, or medicine. '' but it was a funny comment and it made me smile 😊😊
I have no cringe catholic meme but I have an Italian Catholic joke: "Jesus saw an adulterous woman who was to be stoned and said: 'whoever has no sin, get him to throw the first stone' And a stone was thrown on the adulterous woman from behind Jesus. After he saw who had thrown it, he said: 'Mum, please ..."
Similar joke: When the Pharisees saw who Jesus ate with, they asked his disciples, "Why does your teacher eat with tax collectors and sinners?" On hearing this, Jesus said, "Truly, I say to you, if I only went among people who were not sinners, I would still be living with my mom."
I love this joke but I think it’s funnier when it’s less wordy. The way I heard it, it’s just a pebble that flies by and hits the woman and Jesus turns to the crowd and says “Mother!”
A Baptist won't say hi to you when you go to the liquor store. A Lutheran will. A Catholic owns the liquor store. A Muslim owns the tobacco store right next to it. A Jew owns the lease on both stores. A Mormon waves to you all as he drives by. And an Orthodox... well, it's a mystery.
@Sergio-xs7zq We have many depictions of Christ, not just on the Cross. Rather than depict the Resurrection with an empty cross, we have many artistic depictions of Christ actually coming forth from the tomb.
@@michaelogrady232 Does it really matter though? I think it's only because the cross is the ultimate symbol of Christianity. Every non Christian knows, when they see a cross, it's a Christian symbol. So I hope this isn't another protestant/Catholic argument, whether it should be an empty tomb or an empty cross to represent. The handy thing about the cross as a symbol of the resurrection, is that even I can draw a cross. I couldn't depict the empty tomb though.
I had a fantastic phone conversation with the local priest yesterday and i am attending my first mass on Saturday (the priest suggested i come to a mass with less people first as i told him i get very nervous meeting new people) I was raised Anglican but fell away in my teenage years and 20 years of atheism followed then one day i watched a debate with a man called john Lennox who is a mathematician professor at oxford and also a Christian and what he said made me realize i had to investigate Christianity's claims with an unbiased mind , a few months later after reading a ton of books and research i fully believed in the death and resurrection of Christ (which was very shocking to me as i didnt expect the outcome). Then i started to think about the various denominational claims (James letter made me really question sola fide) and through my reading the writings of the saints and church fathers i saw that the fullness of the faith lie in Catholicism , Catholic church was THE church established by Jesus through the apostle Peter the first Pope. Then i had to tell my completely protestant family lol that was fun XD and after the initial shock due to the built in anti Catholicism that is found in Protestantism we started to talk and i explained and showed them that what they thought was the catholic church was not the catholic church at all , Catholics dont worship Mary ect and they came around to accepting my choice and i now have their full blessing in becoming Catholic , my mother told me the other day that she could not deny (what we call) the miracle of my conversion (which she had been praying to happen for 20 years) and that the Holy spirit is clearly drawing me in this direction :)
Awesome! If you have the opportunity in your area, also try to attend a Traditional Latin Mass, or a Byzantine Divine Liturgy. You've done so much research. Keep it going! God bless you!
Thanks Patti , i just looked and the nearest Traditional Latin Mass to me is in the city of York where i am planning to move in the next few years due to having family there and just a love of the ancient historial city (its beautiful) i will have to check that out when i move (or maybe when i visit family first) , maybe even attend regularly. I am often told to seek out a traditional Latin Mass by Catholics online , what is so preferable if i may ask? is it because it is much more traditional?@@PattiS3
@@PattiS3hanks Patti , i just looked and the nearest Traditional Latin Mass to me is in the city of York where i am planning to move in the next few years due to having family there and just a love of the ancient historial city (its beautiful) i will have to check that out when i move (or maybe when i visit family first) , maybe even attend regularly. I am often told to seek out a traditional Latin Mass by Catholics online , what is so preferable if i may ask? is it because it is much more traditional?
@El-HartoAh ok i see thanks for your explanation of this. Eucharistic miracles where one of many things that brought me to the Catholic church (as an Anglican when i looked i saw we had not had a single one which made me question its validity) The sacraments really spoke to my heart and i longed to partake (especially the Eucharist and also confession which my heart really longs for which some people might find odd lol)
If you can carve out some time, there is a video trilogy on RU-vid called "Mass of the Ages". It would be well worth your time and explains the differences between the TLM and the Novus Ordo Missae. The differences are striking and often a bit sad. Even if you attend the Novus Ordo, it's always good to be aware of its origins and history. I attend either rite depending on the condition of my car 🤪.
I did a fast from sun up to sun down during lent. I tried to use the hunger during the day as a reminder to pray and honestly during that fast I've never felt as connected to God as I had during that fast. It's a good practice imo a lot of benefits including some unintentional weight loss haha
I had a Pentecostal ask me why we have images and worship Mary. Well after first defining our terms and explaining images vs idols that person still did not “get it,” per their own words. I followed up with my own question. “Where in the Bible do we see a woman being called a pastor or that they can be when St. Paul is more explicit that they shouldn’t.” Needless to say their answer was, “IDK, I have never looked into it.” We are always asked to show in Scripture proof of what we believe and why we do and many times Protestants seem to not be able to meet their own expectations.
Exactly. The Bible doesn't tell us to meet weekly on Sunday. Women pastors. Dress codes. Prohibiting alcohol. Frequency of Eucharist. How to baptize. Who can be baptized. "Jesus come into my heart." None of this is biblical, but they love to excuse it by saying it isn't forbidden.
@@Chris-no8ybOf the things canivezeroun mentions, only the "How to baptize" is actually in the Bible in a partially explicit way. Everything else has to be interpreted out of Scripture, some of the incorrectly, like female pastors and prohibiting alcohol. Ok, and maybe the meeting on Sunday, but still just partially.
Can confirm. I'm Catholic but my mom's a Lutheran and she straight up told me to my face that Catholics don't read the Bible. I told her that's a little rich coming from the follower of a crazy man who removed 6 (or 7?) books from the Bible. She agreed.
I think it is worth pointing out that two small meals, one large meal and no meat is the bare minimum for fasting and abstinence on Fridays in Lent. We can take it further as we are able
The last meme is actually funny though. I think it can make a lot of catholics, myself included, realize the irony of compensating for the lack of meat by eating really good vegetarian options or fish options. The very point of fasting is thrown out the window the second we start compensating for it.
I practically fast everyday anyway because I barely have time to prepare meals, plus the economy sucks rn. Most Fridays during lent this year, I only had one Panko fish combo from Wendy's for lunch; nothing for breakfast and like a snack for dinner for my 8 hr evening shift.
--> Being from Acadiana, that last meme does resonate. --> But, instead of some fast food trash, it missed out on an opportunity to show a seafood platter (or 5 lbs of boiled crawfish) from South Louisiana. I don't like seafood at all, but, man, people are really excited to spend $35 (or more) on their Lenten seafood platters in Cajun Country. --> In fact, our priests routinely have to remind people that Friday night's meal should be penitential, not something we salivating for.
As a seafood lover, I agree that abstinence from non-aquatic meat on Friday is often too easy; so on Fridays outside of Lent, where American Catholics can choose what they would like to abstain from, I sometimes choose to abstain from sweet foods instead.
I love how some of these memes are watermarked with the 5Solas Twitter handle. I'm convinced that guy is just an anti-Catholic troll. If he's serious, then he genuinely thinks that the devil loves the crucifix, because it "shows a weak Jesus." For someone who may be posting very ironic memes, he sure doesn't seem to get the delicious irony of the image of the Crucified Lord.
I heard this joke long ago told by a Protestant: “There was this little boy who really wanted a certain bicycle so he prayed to Jesus. He said, ‘Dear Jesus, I really wanted this bike, please have it at my house by tomorrow morning, world without end! Amen!” “Next morning, no bike. He prayed to Jesus again. And the next morning, still nothing.” “Later, he came back inside the house, went into his mother’s room and took something and hid it in his shirt. His mom was wondering what was going on and she followed her son to his room. The little boy shut the door and standing by the door, his mom heard him say, ‘Dear Jesus, if you don’t give me my bike, you will never see Your Mother again!”
1:36 In all fairness this one isn’t as foolish as claimed, at least in respect to the reference a strong man pulling it on their own. The method given is a standard bike, I’d be willing to bet even if you were strong enough pull the plane, the bike would like break before or during you getting the plane to move. In which case yes, if you try to atone for your sin by any method other than through God, you will fail. Not sure where this was sourced, but from the meme itself it doesn’t appear as a jab at Catholics. More likely a jab at a Prideful group thinking they are good enough on their own without God.
trent....you're an apostate. you've departed from the faith yet still proclaim to live by it. You do not enter the Kingdom, and you prevent others from entering.
@El-HartoProtestants have no say in the matter, it was the Catholic church that comply the Bible, y'all just a Johnny come lately with no historical roots, 👋
Good stuff, you’re a part of my journey to Catholicism, it largely has been your clear arguments but also your patience and kindness towards those outside the faith, thank you brother
As a resident of Louisiana, I think the meme of the "commercial fish dishes" actually works here.😅 The Filet-o fish from McDonald's sucks; but real fried shrimp, boiled crawfish, and red snapper are delicious when you get them from a real restaurant or make them yourself. The main thing you sacrifice is your wallet because it is expensive, so true sacrifice would be better eating vegetarian on Lenten Fridays 😅.
7:39 Those are not dragons! They’re the three heads of King Ghidorah, from the newer Godzilla movie, King of the Monster. In the movie, the third head is almost always acting just a little… off.
Here's something that could be turned into a evangelical meme: "Jesus turned water into wine and evangelicals have been trying to change it back ever since"
Simple. Ask them to pick up their own Bible (NWT), read Rev 1:8, and tell you who is speaking there. They will say, “Jehovah!” Then ask them to read you Rev 1:17 and tell you who is speaking there. They will say, “Jehovah!” Then ask them to read you the next verse (Rev 1:18) and ask them to explain you how in the world Jehovah says that he was dead and now he is alive. They will pick up their Bible and leave immediately.
I appreciate your willingness to enter into conversation. The other comments here essentially tell you to just shut the door in their face. One of our responsibilities as Catholic Christians is to evangelize. If you don't have good arguments for what you believe, and you choose to just close the door to them, how Christian are you?
I feel like Trent has made videos about talking with groups like JW and Mormons, but maybe it was only the latter. Either way, I know Joe Heschmeyer on “Shameless Popery” had done some video series on talking with JW and Mormons. He goes over the basic arguments and has suggestions on how to converse. I believe he and his wife actually had JWs come by a lot when they were living somewhere, so he has experience in that area. There’s also articles on Catholic Answers about how to talk through those discussions, and other resources as well.
I have seen the King Ghidorah meme from the thumbnail in a much better form. "Left head: Catholic Church - Middle Head: Orthodox Church - Right Head: Protestant Churches" Much more fitting.
I had to look up the definition to make sure, but the Book of Mormon would be apocrypha, just not upper case Apocrypha. It's of doubtful authority and is rejected.
@@paulmualdeave5063 In these contexts, the word “apocrypha” isn’t used as an adjective, but as a proper name picking out the 7 books and parts of Daniel and Esther that Protestants removed from the Bible. So I wouldn’t call the BOM apocrypha. Though of course it is not of God and to be avoided.
As Trent said, the correct name (from a Catholic perspective) is the Deuterocanonicals. (I think the Greeks just call them the Bible, since they're part of the Septuagint.) And note that "apocryphal" doesn't necessarily mean to be avoided. The authors of the New Testament occasionally refer to apocryphal works and a couple are included in the Vulgate. (The Book of Mormon probably should be referred to as a KJV fanfic.)
I noticed a video on FB where John MacArthur alleges that all Catholics, Buddhists, Hindus, and non-Christian people will go to Hell. I am curious about why he thinks he is destined for Heaven when he so frequently misrepresents the teaching of Scripture? 😊😊😊
Since you've elected (from the foundation of the video) to academically critique these memes with no sense of humor, I'm going to pretend that my review of your "(REBUTTAL)" is not going to compel anyone to accuse me of "taking it too seriously." Meme #1: You missed the point. That, or you're avoiding it. For one, the meme isn't criticizing the *way* Catholics pray, but *who* they're praying to. And there are no verses that support sending specific spiritual requests to Mary, or any other (dead) person that isn't God. The reason that it's no issue to pray to the Holy Spirit is because he's God. Mary is not. If Jesus is the one who tells us how to pray, then maybe we should follow that; Our *Father* in Heaven. Not Mary in Heaven, not Francis in Heaven. Just God. (And don't bother saying "well then you can only pray to the Father and not Jesus by that logic." Jesus is God. Mary is not. Jesus receives worship in his lifetime. Mary does not.) And to argue that "pray" just means "request" is an etymological fallacy. It reminds me of when apologists of Islam say that "Muslim" just means "one who submits to God." Meme #2: There's nothing inherently anti-Catholic about this meme. You didn't even go down the perfectly valid route of "well we're *not* alone, God is with us in our works." But hey, if the shoe fits... Also, your real world example of the guy pulling the plane doesn't rebut the template because that man is pulling a rope, not pushing pedals on a bike--which you admitted but chose to ignore anyway. I may as well excuse away any analogy you might return to sender because "well there's some exceptional example in the real world that gives me permission to ignore your argument." Lastly, atoning for the visible and immediate consequences of our sins is not the same as atoning for the sin itself. I am sincerely unsure why you'd disagree with this meme. Meme #3: "I'm going to let it slide that this is comparing us to Patrick Bateman in American Psycho..." ... *It's meme, Batman.* You may as well have said "just to clear, that terrible, ugly insult in no way offends me." Sure. I believe you. Besides, hardly anyone sharing or liking Bateman memes is actually identifying with the full character of Patrick Bateman. It's a meme. I don't wish to erase half of Earth's population just because I relate with a Thanos meme about something being "perfectly balanced." However, it appears you did get the point: too much emphasis on Mary, especially after what Jesus accomplished, but your response is effectively "I've heard a different complaint from the same people, therefore bad meme." That's called "avoiding the issue." "But I've heard other Catholics say *this* about X" wouldn't work for me, so it doesn't for you either. Meme #4: A dumb meme, to be sure, but you literally pulled "minor spelling mistake" as an excuse to avoid any of those points. You sound like James White. Meme #5: Again, nothing anti-Catholic or exclusively Protestant about this meme, although yes, 2 Timothy 2:22 doesn't address men's lust --even though it says "flee youthful passions," but indeed, it's not specifically about men lusting after women. But that's why you included this one, to argue that Protestants extract from the Bible greater meanings from the text that aren't precisely being mentioned, and therefore "Sola Scriptura undermined." I'm not a theologian, but I'm pretty sure Sola Scriptura does not mean "inferences are banned, only perform and believe what's literally written." There's nothing un-Protestant with interpreting scripture for yourself and, say, going to your Pastor to ask about your findings, arguing one way or another. In fact, that's the most Protestant thing I could ever conceive of. So saying, "...maybe God never intended for the only infallible rule of faith in life in the Church to be Scripture," misses the point of Protestantism. Interpreters of Scripture cannot be on the same "infallible" level of Scripture itself. Otherwise, Tradition can trump the Bible, and if it can, it always will. Meme #6: No notes. I completely agree. Meme #7: I thought the main argument for rejecting the Apocrypha was because the Jews did not accept those texts as canon. Plus, finding good bits within them is not sufficient to claim that the whole of them are equal in authority and value as the Hebrew canon and the New Testament. Using your same argument, the Book of Enoch is cited in Jude's Epistle, and only the Ethiopian Orthodox Church includes that book as part of the Christian Canon. So why don't you affirm the Book of Enoch as canon? I genuinely would like to know, and saying that I don't affirm it either isn't a real argument. Meme #8: First, liking red meat more than fish is like your opinion man. It doesn't negate the likely possibility that many Lent observers often over do it on the fried food in a time of fasting. It's not inherently anti-Catholic to criticize how you go about the fasting; at best, it's a playful correction that you could find funny if you allowed it. Protestants makes memes about the Lord blessing the deep fried chicken at Baptist potlucks. We laugh at ourselves for the same thing. And as I predicted in the moment, you turned it back the original poster, "when the last's time you fasted?" That's the "You, Too" Fallacy, avoiding the main point, yet again. Now again, maybe this was long-winded of me. Perhaps I took too seriously something that was supposed to be fun. But I believe that taking seriously the things that don't matter proves one's ability to properly assess and discern the things that do matter. If you wouldn't argue well against dumb memes, I'm not sure if I can trust your ability to discuss and debate deep theology. If I was wrong for taking you seriously on this video, then I may as well forever avoid your channel altogether.
The fried fish one is actually funny as there is a grain of truth there… but it also misses much of the point. With Lenten abstinence from meat we have built-in moments of reflection throughout the day to reorientate ourselves to Christ and our need for him. We change our routine out of obedience and love. These actions are a form of prayer. And this is unifying as we do this as one with the Church as we go through this season together. But yeah, I have laughed at myself for looking forward so much to delicious meals (like Chinese shrimp dishes, as salmon, etc.), that break me out of my usual routine. There is indeed some irony and humor to be found there. And of course the Church understands that abstinence from meat is not going to be the same level of “sacrifice” for everyone - and it never claims that it is. But in prayerfully abstaining in unity with the Church, we are all moving in the same direction. And if we feel inspired and called to sacrifice more, we can certainly do that too.
I'm a protestant, and I love the apocrypha/deuterocannon. I try to recommend those books to my friends. As well always trying to find a copy of them with each translation that I get.
This is the perfect sequel to the Cringe Atheist meme series! Next meme video should be a reaction to Cringe Catholic memes where it's just Trent explaining the poor theology of the meme.
His point is right. It's kind of like prohibitions on polygamy or other Church doctrine (or meta things like how we know which books are in the Bible in the first place) where protestants can't draw these conclusions from their supposed view of sola scriptura. The point would be to illustrate the dissonance between what they say, this increasingly barebones conception of sola scriptura, vs how they actually act with traditions and authorities
Does your church condemn wearing gold or Pearl jewelry? It seems pretty explicit from the text that that is to be avoided as sin. That would be far more explicit than the implicit command to dress modestly in a modern sense.
Don't think that's a bad idea at all, especially if you don't eat meat often anyway and it would be more of a sacrifice for you as an individual to not have sugar.
@@mellieg.7543 i do love meat, although I think sugar would be more difficult. I've just been thinking lately that there is some validity to the complaint that what we replace meat with is just as good, if not better and more luxurious in some cases.
I normally give up sweets for Lent, and it sometimes is more of a struggle than being a weekly vegetarian. But I will say it definitely makes me more focused on what I consume, and by the end of Lent I feel both spiritually nourished and a bit healthier. The Church does say Fridays outside Lent can be penitential, so if giving up sugar instead of meat is more difficult, I say go for it.
Okay, but that last one is actually a good criticism. When we fast, we should be doing the bare minimum. We should strive to enter in to the penitential mindset and let our fasting reflect that.
We have crucifixes to reminded us of Jesus’s love for us, the same reason I have pics of my kids as babies even though they are no longer babies. If you don’t have crucifixes because “Jesus is Risen,” then don’t have pictures of your kids as babies.
I will say about that last one, it is a sacrifice cause sometimes you don't want to eat specifically non-meat meals BUT I kind of love eating fish during Lent cause I think about the loaves and the fish and the fact that some of the apostles were fishermen and they'd have eaten fish a lot.
"Modest" can just mean "moderate." Someone with a modest income would be neither rich nor poor. Having modest dress can mean having "moderate" clothes, which are not extravagant.
Clarification on the last meme about fish because some Catholics are claiming the meme is valid: it is a Friday _abstinence_ NOT a fast (except on Good Friday).
Every time I saw an prot or a post sayng "The Apocrypha Gospels", I tought they were talking about the Gnostic (fake) Ghospels, I really belived they also called them Deuterocanon as us
Trent, praying to the Holy Spirit isn’t in the Bible argument is weak. If you gonna come up with that, you’ll only make Protestants laugh. There are verses in the Bible that clearly talk about at least praying through the Holy Spirit. What do you think praying in tongues is all about? The Holy Spirit is ONE with God! The Holy Spirit IS GOD! And the whole “trinity isn’t in the Bible” argument is so overused and overdone and WEAK at best! One must be baptized in the name of Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit! You can’t get anymore clear than that. So there are in fact verses that support the trinity! But praying to Mary? Zero! The whole wedding at Cana situation is a very weak supporting argument. The difference is huge! Asking Mary face to face for help vs asking Mary who’s in Heaven and there is zero biblical support that she can hear you. That’s the issue here! As for the sinner’s prayer, it is in fact in the Bible. Stop embarrassing yourself Trent! “All who declare that Jesus is the Son of God have God living in them, and they live in God.” 1 John 4:15 it means that all it takes is verbally confess that you accept Jesus as Lord and Savior to be saved. You could argue against that, sure, but stop using the “sinner’s prayer isn’t in the Bible” argument! It’s pathetic and weak! Praying to Mary is a much, much bigger issue than a “sinner’s prayer”. Get real!
As a Catholic a lot of these weren't all that good when it comes to Trents usual standards. But maybe these memes are so cringy, this is what they get?
There’s a subreddit called r/CatholicMemes and I have found some memes making fun of Protestants such as memes saying your church is in between Best Buy and Buffalo Wild Wings. See if you can find it for your cringe Catholic memes. Although, I do enjoy the rest of the memes there. It’s a great subreddit.
Catholic here: just wanted to point out that your argument for the Deuterocanonicals is faulty, as that verse in Matthew is also a reference to Psalm 22:8. God bless!
Oh man, I recognize that Culver’s fish sandwich any day of the liturgical calendar. That picture is a a solid representation of Catholic Wisconsin culture.
the Orthodox and Byzantine Catholics focus mainly on the resurrection but still use the crucifix. One thing that Byzantine Christians base their Liturgical calendar of the resurrection of the Lord but they love the Crucifix.
Unfortunately, a lot of these seem to be specifically Baptist/Evangelical, and they’ve gained more prominence in modern Protestantism. Historic Protestantism that was the mainstream in Europe and America historically (Anglican, Methodist, Presbyterian, Congregationalist, Lutheran, etc.) differed with Catholicism, but it still held a high importance on church tradition, liturgy, sacraments, etc.
I am a protestant, and I have a TON of respect for Trent Horn as a defender of the Faith. That said, while all of these memes were cringy, some of his rebuttals were pretty badly done: #1 asserted there is no Biblical grounds for praying to Mary, which he "rebuts" by saying, A) the Bible doesn't tell us WHAT to pray (non sequitur), B) it doesn't tell us to pray to the Holy Spirit (but the H.S. is God, unlike Mary) and C) maybe "pray" means something else (would he say the same if a Catholic "prayed" to Ba'al?) For #3, he uses a straw man argument, turning the critique of "praying to Mary" into a critique against the Jesus-on-a-cross crucifix and then attacking THAT argument instead. #4 he just laughs at the form of the argument without engaging the content (not a "rebuttal," though I am confident he could have rebutted some of it). #5 is an attack of a straw man version of Sola Scriptura that orthodox protestants do not hold to. His argument for #7 undermines his own position, though this comment is already too long so I will leave you to figure it out... And his challenge to the protestant in #8 is A) an ad hominem attack designed to force the opponent into retracting their (possibly) valid argument and 2) also undermines his point, as he claims to "fast" by only eating less satisfying McDonalds food on certain days. #6 and #2 are fine, though a majority of protestants would agree with him on those, so he is just alienating his support there. I have seen him do MUCH better with his rebuttals. Maybe the Force is not strong in these because we should be working together?
Also, saint Ambrose prescribed that fasting merely be the Christian eating but not over indulging and stopping before he is full. I’ve never understood why the USCCB and Catholicism effectively mandate that fasting should take the form of no meat on Fridays rather than just go with the Ambrosian definition that solved the controversy in his time.
I'm Catholic and I pretty much agree with you. This rebuttable video wasn't really on par with others that Trent has done in my opinion. A couple of the memes even have some grain of truth to their criticism and it should be fine to find the humor in it and point it out.
7:38 actually those aren't three separate dragons, but the 3 heads of King Ghidorah, because in the 2019 movie Godzilla: King of the Monsters they tried giving each head it's own personality with the 3rd head being more curious that the other two. which actually makes the mem not work for protestants because since all are of the same dragon it would imply that all 3 are scripture.
27 And it came to pass, as he spake these things, a certain woman of the company lifted up her voice, and said unto him, Blessed is the womb that bare thee, and the paps which thou hast sucked. 28 But he said, Yea rather, blessed are they that hear the word of God, and keep it. Luke 11 Kjv.
This passage supports the fact that Mary is indeed Blessed, because not only did she bear Our Lord in her womb and nursed Him, but above all she heard the word of God and kept it. (See Luke 1:41-45) And we are called to do the same as the Blessed Virgin Mary in serving Our Lord Jesus and hearing the word of God and keeping it.
@@amandadolekary Prayer in the ancient and biblical context merely means to ask someone for something. Prayer is not worship nor even adoration, and christians pray to other christians for support and intervention all the time.
@@siruristtheturtle1289 Why would pray to the dead then. They were people that prayed to the dead in the bible you know what they were called sorcerers.
While a lot of these are interesting comments, Mr. Horn, I can't help but think that some of these responses are slight stretches of logic. For example, your response to the meme with the acne treatment ad concerning prayers/requests to Mary. Using the time the people at the Wedding of Cana asked Mary to ask Jesus to help with the wine shortage as an example to validate prayer to Mary is a bit of a non sequitur. Yes, they asked her to get Jesus to help them out, but it doesn't logically follow that this means that we should pray to her to expedite our requests.
I'm a protestant who has done many hours of research of the history of the Canon and don't know how us Protestants who reject the deuterocanonicals can accept Esther and Revelation. My research indicates at the very least Baruch, Wisdom and Sirach were listed in as many canons from the second century to the 6th century as Esther and Revelation. Tobit seems to have alot attestation as well
On the use of Crucifixes, I love what Ven. Archbishop Fulton Sheen said on the matter "The modern world, which denies personal guilt and admits only social crimes, which has no place for personal repentance but only public reforms, has divorced Christ from His Cross; the Bridegroom and Bride have been pulled apart. What God hath joined together, men have torn asunder. As a result, to the left is the Cross; to the right is Christ. Each has awaited new partners who will pick them up in a kind of second and adulterous union. Communism comes along and picks up the meaningless Cross; Western post-Christian civilization chooses the unscarred Christ. Communism has chosen the Cross in the sense that it has brought back to an egotistic world a sense of discipline, self-abnegation, surrender, hard work, study, and dedication to supra-individual goals. But the Cross without Christ is sacrifice without love. Hence, Communism has produced a society that is authoritarian, cruel, oppressive of human freedom, filled with concentration camps, firing squads, and brain-washings. The Western post-Christian civilization has picked up the Christ without His Cross. But a Christ without a sacrifice that reconciles the world to God is a cheap, feminized, colourless, itinerant preacher who deserves to be popular for His great Sermon on the Mount, but also merits unpopularity for what He said about His Divinity on the one hand, and divorce, judgment, and hell on the other. This sentimental Christ is patched together with a thousand commonplaces, sustained sometimes by academic etymologists who cannot see the Word for the letters, or distorted beyond personal recognition by a dogmatic principle that anything which is Divine must necessarily be a myth. Without His Cross, He becomes nothing more than a sultry precursor of democracy or a humanitarian who taught brotherhood without tears."
You prove yourself wrong on meme 3. When you're reading the text. The word seemly means dignified in a sexual manner. The word unseemly is to be half naked. So the command to wear seemly apparel is a command to women to not dress in revealing manner
You had me until that fasting meme. No it is ridiculous that most Catholics treat themselves to their favorite non meat dish as their Friday "penance." Going to a restaurant and ordering a fish fry is NOT a penance. Catholics have gotten so lax on fasting and penance and this is a perfect example of that. Eating a fish fry instead of a burger is not a penance to anyone who has any ability to control their appetite. Eat a grilled cheese on Friday instead of a burger- THAT is a penance.
My local Catholic church defined the fasting during Lent to be one full meal and two half meals, nothing in between; no meat except fish for Ash Wednesday and all Fridays; people with certain health conditions or kids are not obligated to do these rules.
@@tylere.8436that's not a local thing that universal church law, and technically it's not 2 half meals, the 2 small meals together should not equal one meal. Those laws are only for ash Wednesday and good Friday though. The Church has gotten very lax on fasting.
The Catholic church should bring back the black fast. The fact that we're held to lower standards than Muslims (who inherited their fasting from the Catholic Church!) is absolutely pitiful
Some of these you need to take the L on. Most of these rebuttals are how to say this...Like how Jews get around certain sabbath laws by having little obvious tricks with say light switches. "Well it doesn't say I can't have a timer turn on the stove..." The rebuttal about fish and chips is hilarious. Like Hello Mate, fish and chips is an integral part of a whole countries food culture, innit? Have you never been to the South? We have fish fry's that contain no read meat and are absolutely filling. After getting stuffed on fried catfish, hush puppies and okra. I never really felt like I was doing anything penitent but I guess I was. Who knew?
Don’t make me laugh Trent. Your logical conclusion that praying to Mary comes from somebody in The New Testament account making a request of Mary? That is quite the leap. I do appreciate your take to help better understand some of the Catholic positions but this argument seems pretty weak. Haha but very nice on the “did not… didn’t” and The Office reference. Made me laugh for real at that.
Honestly if you think that's a stretch I challenge you to value scripture more. Each little part of scripture is so deep and full of meaning that even the greatest theologian couldn't hope to fully unpack it in his lifetime. The wedding feast at Cana is one of my favorite accounts. Jesus' very first public miracle was at the request of his mother who was making the request on behalf of someone who was obviously close to her. Her last words in scripture are "do whatever he tells you" and then he performs the miracle of water to wine. There is so much rich and deep meaning there that if you don't see it you are just holding onto bias.
@@amandadolekaryYou are the one making here a massive assumption not found in the Scripture: Where exactly it is writen that prayers are only to be given to God? One has to wonder if all those times people in the past say "pray tell me" they were in sin, because that's an easy jump from your position.
Nobody forced you to watch or comment. Is this really building up the body of Christ? We both know it's not. Stop loving your politics more than real people.
I think for the last one, the deluxe fish meme, it is true that we as Catholics sometimes try to get around Friday abstinence with tasty meals without meat, and I at least need to work on that.
@@juld55 Whatever you ask in My name, that will I do, so that the Father may be glorified in the Son. If you ask Me anything in My name, I will do it. - John 14:13-14
