Crisis Series #34 w/ Don Tranquillo: Is Sedevacantism the Answer to the Crisis? 

Wow ! Fr Tranquillo is so intellectually and spiritually refreshing . He has clarified a most confounding position.

The series as a whole follows a kind of Thomistic outline, one that rationally examines all aspects of a subject, and doesn't focus on the emotional and reactional. It should be required viewing for anyone who wonders what happened to the Church since the Council. Since it's the Society, most people won't watch it because they have their minds made up, but they absolutely should.

This is so hard because I have listened to some of their arguments and they make sense but then I understand how if they say there is no pope then they say Jesus lied. Living through this insanity is so hard. I would NEVER leave the bark of Peter but I will not listen to a pope who wants to destroy the church and spreads nothing but confusion! God help us get through this!!!

Been attending the SSPX for over a year now after many years in the Conciliar structure. No more contradictions. The Catholic faith is being preserved here until the Modernists have their day and die off. Pray for the NO to die!

I am in awe how sedevacantism was dismantled in such an articulate and logical way here. I cant thank you enough for this upload

Absolutely love don Tranquillo, the way he talks, it soothes my soul

Very glad I watched this - the subject in reality is so much more complicated than some make it out to be. The information in the discussion has clarified some of the issues for me & eased the problem with all the awful things that chip away at ones faith. Thank you for putting these talks together.

Thank you,Rev Fr for this talk it really gives me the strength to carry on loving and stay faithful to His holy Church.

i thoroughly enjoy all of these discussions especially the dissection of controversial subjects such as this one.

I have been flirting with sedevacantism for a long time not so much because I believed it but because the crisis in the Church has been so testing of my faith. I almost WANTED it to be true because it would be so much easier. But this talk has truly put the nail in the coffin for me on this position. We simply live in trying times but I will not lose faith. The SSPX exists. That is proof alone that God has not abandoned his Church

This is a great explanation of this subject. It's amazing how much I did not know about my religion. Thank you SSPX.

Amazingly helpful clarification. Thank you. God bless you.

Hope the people who accuse the SSPX of sedevacantism have the good will to watch this episode.

Please debate Br. Peter Dimond.

Great explanation. Thanks for sharing!

Don Tranquillo is brilliant! Maybe he could do another video about supplied jurisdiction as such? This is now more a historical topic but I think it’s important for the activity of the Society.

I disagree with Father's conclusions, but if he would be willing, I strongly implore him to debate Boshop Sanborn or Father Desposito publicly for the benefit of the faithful. If this position is true, then it behooves the SSPX to engage in debate - pitting their best theologians against the best of the sedevacantists. I implore you to ask him

It is not difficult for an educated Catholic to determine when any Catholic is spewing heresy in a clear cut case (for example; "Souls destined for hell are annihilated and cease to exist"). This is not "judging the Pope", it is, instead, recognizing clear heresy.

Don Tranquillo is absolutely right. Many years ago I once had the privilege of serving his Mass at a sspx chapel in Wimbledon London UK

This video is very important, even more after the sedevacantist debate on Pints with Aquinas

33:30 I was just putting together a table comparing various groups and their reactions to the Crisis, and I observed that so far as I could tell, Sedes lined up largely the same as with the Novus Ordite blind followers on the issues of papal infallibility, church indefectibility, and obedience… But I did not see this revelation coming that they have to hold the same position as Lumen Gentium on jurisdiction. Fascinating.

Excellent interview, please interview again

Francis didn't "fall" into heresy...he jumped!

Great episode. I am still left to wonder how Don Tranquillo believes that we can identify an antipope. There have been several in Church history.

....and it's not working, exactly the point of sedevacantism.

It is best and helpful that these explanations are provided with references. If not then they can be of opinion and opinion is not based on facts / truth.

He is right...for we know and some...have experienced the movements of the enemy we know or some have an idea how it will be used!

thank you Fr.

47:28 - 48:56 It seems Father Tranquillo has basically described the Cassiciacum Thesis of des Lauriers. The conciliar church clergy hold juridical/canonical authority, but they do not actually use it "appropriately" since they are instead adhering to a new sect/religion. Father Tranquillo is restating the Cassiciacum Thesis in his own words.

if theres one group of people who can go to internet war fast...

Short answer: no. Thank you Fr for bringing up this essential topic

Thank you father for your clear explanation of the sedevacantist perspective and the position of the SSPX. Thank you! We want to know how we can continue to be faithful Catholics and find our way (in peace) through these long long years of modernism corrupting our sacred home and failing our children. You explained so beautifully how we can always be Catholic, no matter what a particular pope is doing..and how we can continue to be joyful in our faith. God bless you.

What about the Indefectibilty of the Church ? V2 changed all sacraments.

Pope Benedict XVI did not resign the Munus. He didn't make a proper resignation according to Canon Law and that makes him he's still the Pope. He still wears white and signs P. P. as Pope.

Great Faith in the TRUTH-JESUS CHRIST.

Deo Gratias for the SSPX making these videos!!! Dear God, please grant the SSPX more auxiliary bishops to defeat Modernism!!

I'm concerned about the non-SSPX Seminarians training to be traditional priests to offer the Tridentine Mass. I'm sure they are committed and doubt most would sign loyalty oaths to the Novus Ordo or want to concelebrate the new mass. Is Pope Francis setting them up for ex-communication? Can Pope Francis cause a Schism in this way and then excommunicate all of us who will not affirm the Novus Ordo?

How do you explain in the Apocalypse chapter 17 ,he saw a woman clothed around about with purple and scarlet with a golden cup in her hands. she was drunk with the blood of the saints and the blood of the martyrs of Jesus. he said to me the waters which thou sawest were the harlots sitteth are peoples and nations and tongues. and the women which though sawest is the great city which have kingdom over all the kings of the Earth. chapter 18 verse 4 and I heard another voice from heaven saying go out of her my people that you be not partakers of her sins and that you receive not of her plagues. It seems to me like a definition Rome. And could it be that instead of sedevacantists calling Jesus a liar, there is a problem with interpretation or at least our understanding of what Jesus said. for instance the Jews were looking for something different in Christ than what they received because of their interpretation. One thing I know for sure. as long as the devil keeps us divided he will conquer. Say the rosary everyday. If you find the mother she will lead you to her son and may God-bless you all

The Sedevacantist position is not unreasonable, although as the good Priest speaks to here it surely raises many serious questions to be answered. If we have one orthodox Bishop in public view, who advocates for the ancient Magisterium and timeless Truths, then Divine Providence has provided that a valid Catholic Remnant exists to reconstitute Order and cast out the imposters. Do we see even one such Bishop standing against the errors of Modernism and Liberalism previous Popes have called out since Gregory XVI? Sedevacantism is itself not offered as a solution, but rather the evidence for the health of The Church.

Thank you DON Tranquillo for your talk and may GOD bless you.

Awesome topic on sedevecantism.

God bless you for making these amazing videos! Could you discuss the canon 209 (1917) in details in one of your episodes? Canon 209. In common error or in positive or probable doubt about either law or fact, the Church supplies jurisdiction for both the external and internal forum.

Wait a minute! Didn’t Abp Lefebvre rely on “supplied jurisdiction”? And is it fair to present your own versions, not necessarily accurate, of the sedevacantist positions & then proceed to demolish them with no right of clarification or reply? And by what right does the SSPX recognise the Pope & the bishops & then refuse to be subject to them whenever they judge them to be in error?

How does it feel to listen an italian speaking english? Sounds weird or it's ok? (I'm also italian)

The reasoning is so beautifully clear, I love it.

So where does the jurisdiction come from in the case of the heretical/schismatic/excommunicated priest who administers confession to a dying man, in an interregnum, without any bishop with ordinary jurisdiction nearby?

Praied be Jesus Christ! I have two questions: 1) Is only the one, who was validly ordained to the priesthood or bishophood, be able to receive the ordinal jurisdiction? 2) If so, do you think it is indirect, but quite strong proof in favour of validity priestly ordinations and episcopal consecrations in the new rite (of course, in general)? Thank you for answer. Greetings from Poland.

I know this podcast is old but can you send me a link to the update to the Papal Bull by Paul 4th? Where he clarifys you need to be CONDEMNED a heretic?

Matthew ch.23 is the finest proof that heresy and jurisdiction can live together, for the sake of the "seat" , aka authority of God. Thank you Andrew and Father Don for this excellent episode. I slightly fell into sedevacantism last year.

Thank you for the thorough examination of heresy & modernist's infiltration in the Vatican 11.

Doors are there to be opened..

Thank you

Thank you for bringing clarity to a very important issue.

Maybe I'm confused. If jurisdiction always comes from a pope, what pope supplies it during an interregnum after a real pope dies?

Oh boy, now we're about to have some fun!

The problem is we have corrupt Bishops 😪around Francis.

Captain’s die all the time, yet nobody jumps ship and eventually the ship returns to port...Stand strong in our Faith, let not Satan devour your Souls!!

Father, how then is the Eastern Orthodox sacrament of confession considered valid even though they have no Pope? Couldn't this be applied to the sedevacantists?

This is without doubts that sedevacantism has or supports EO ecclesiology. If papacy is accidental than there is no reason why not become Eaatern Orthodox or Old Catholic

We shouldn’t be talking about feelings and opinions. This isn’t what Thomism is about. The sedevacantist position doesn’t rely on feelings and opinion but intellectual rigor. The logical conclusion to their arguments may not satisfy many, but the conclusion does not depend on feelings or opinion.

Does the SSPX have jurisdiction?

So an accusation of heresy Must come from many Bishops and in writing? Are all the Cardinals let’s say theologians, Liturgists, priests and bishops before becoming a cardinal? They are appointed by the Pope? If bishops and popes are all products of the Vat II and bowing to the Protestant, Modernist, Rationalist, liberalist forms of the sacraments and liturgy, (Novis Ordo), canons, isn’t it a little late for changing back to the pre 1950 to 1970 Church. Then the magisterium must be changed from within spiritually…to be God-centric as before by His intercession.

Can you make a video on eastern orthodoxy too, many people are leaving the one true Chruch an becoming orthodox.

If jurisdiction comes from the pope, how can you hear a confession when a pope dies and a new one isn’t elected yet? It seems that jurisdiction comes from God through the pope but this doesn’t mean that He can work outside of that just like the logic of baptism of desire where God is not bound by the sacraments.

Sedevacatism was/is teneble position as long as there are still valid electors od next pope (cardinals, ordinary bishops, anyone with jurisdiction, at least one). This can be applied to sedevacatism since 2013 but certainly not to mainstream sedevacatism (since 1958 or even 1963).

Sedevacantism is a diagnosis. Of course it is not a solution. The question is: is the diagnosis of sede vacante correct? The answer is: most certainly.

Excellent series, I really enjoy listening to Don Tranquillo. I do have one question, though: How can anyone seriously contend that any of the Popes in question did not intend to teach using their papal authority, i.e. the Magisterium? Who would believe that John Paul II or Francis made a positive act of the will saying "I do not intend to teach according to my ecclesiastical office, but merely in a human manner"? The same goes for the Council: Lumen gentium certainly intends to teach magisterially in general (that's why it is called "Dogmatic Constitution", though it contains no new dogmas), and even specifically in various places.

So, what happens when a Pope dies Fr. Don, Does that mean when every Sacrement takes place during the time of the Popes vacancy is invalid?

In hindsight Benedict XVI will be seen as the last pope and Paul VI the first modernist pope. Francis has forfeited the title. IMO if we think he's bad we dont have a clue what's coming after him

I thought the sedevacantist thinks a certain pope from the past is there authority. Dead but not in thoughts.?

A Vatican council where the pope says he is using Apostolic Authority, such as Paul VI did for Vatican II, would not have been a "human action" if Paul VI had been pope. General Councils of the Church where the pope and bishops are assembled together are infallible in their doctrines, they cannot teach that false religions are true and a "means of salvation" and the other heresies that were taught at Vatican II. General Councils such as Vatican Councils have always been considered as infallible by the teaching authority of the Catholic Church. A pope's private opinion on what he should eat for dinner, is fallible. The two are worlds apart. The same goes for synods, canonizations and other Acts of the Magisterium that SSPX continually try to downplay. Anyone who believes such things has simply never done any independent research, beginning in the catechism, for example.

When Paul VI promulgated the documents of Vatican II, did he do that as Pope or not? As a consequence, are be to hold what is in those documents as part of the Catholic Faith or not? Or can we decide ourselves whether or not he used his authority "properly"? How can we decide what they (post VII "popes") want or not? Surely we cannot judge someone's intention, only his fruits.

Why cannot the sedevacantist Bishops claim extraordinary jurisdiction explaining it to be derived from the ordinary jurisdiction of the last valid Pope, regardless of which Pope they'd presume that to have been?

Our biological fathers remain our fathers even if they deny their paternity, are bad or absent.

Don Tranquillo -- Tranquil Father, no? Please give p

Those who hold that they are Catholic but that the popes since council II are all illegitimate are silly. You cannot say that you accept a tree but that you reject the roots, the branches, the leaves, and even the air that the tree respires. However, the arguments that the current pope has crossed some sort of line that the church needs to respond to in some way do interest me.

I don't agree.

Ubi Petrus, Ibi Eccesia, ibi deus. Non ibi sedevacanti.

In regards to the next video on Pope Benedict’s resignation please address the three reasons his resignation was not valid… A) Pope Benedict was forced out B) The conclave was manipulated to institute Pope Francis C) Pope Benedict retained and split the papacy and held on to some aspects of it If just one of these are true then Benedict is still Pope. I believe all three are true.

Please see Bishop Sanborn’s pdf on Cassiciacum thesis by Dominican theologian and confessor to Pius XII, Bishop Guerard des Lauries, OP

The Society of St. Pius V holds firm on the structure of the Church that a Pope is objective and required. That is why Pope St. Pius X is the Pope that is quoted the most with regards to the errors of modernity. To say that sedevacantism thinks the Pope is subjective is wrong.

Thank-you, interesting episode. For years, I thought, being familiar with a sedevacantist SSPX Priest, that they were all the same. So now that there are 2 groups, why are the sedevacantists not removed from the original SSPX formed by Archbishop Lefebvre? Their followers are difficult people to talk to and full of hate, has been my experience. Therefore putting me off track from the authentic SSPX. Is this sedevacantist division the reason why the Vatican has been severe in pushing excommunication? For the sedevacantists are disturbing the consistancy of the group as a whole, although we could all sympathize with their reasons. So will the sedevacantists be allowed to remain or will there be an official splinter eventually???

If God did not remove the jurisdiction of the fallen angels, why would he remove jurisdiction of the Pope

Sedevacantism comes from two latin words: sede, meaning seat, and vacante, meaning vacant. Sedevacante therefore means the seat is vacant. Or, the seat of Peter is vacant. In other words, there is no sitting pope, or, there is no pope. This can better be understood by adverting to the teaching of St. Thomas Aquinas on being and act. For every being, there is an act. Hence, since being is represented by a certain nature, from a nature issues forth an act proper to that nature. Nature determines what act is; act on the other hand does not determine nature. When Jesus Christ changed the name of Simon to Peter, much like changing Abram to Abraham and Jacob to Israel, He said: Thou art Peter, and upon this Rock I will build My Church, it was not a name that He created. He was creating a nature in Peter; He was making a sitting pope, and he was making a pope, or the office of the Pope, or the seat of Peter. Since sitting on the seat of Peter implies having the authority of Peter, Sedevacante may mean there is no authority in one sitting on the seat of Peter. Since having the nature of Peter implies a person with the nature of Peter, Sedevacante may mean the death of the person having the nature of Peter. From the preceding explanation, one can readily see that Pope Francis does not have the nature of a Pope because Benedict who has the nature of a Pope is still alive. Pope Francis is pope from the act following from nature, which is what Benedict resigned from. Moreover, Francis is still pope (by act) even when he teaches heresy, because act follows from nature. Finally, Francis still wields authority despite teaching heresy, because authority emanates from nature of being pope (by act) and not from the act of authority.

Lord have mercy on us ---save your Holy Church from wrong decisions which are not from THE HOLY SPIRIT.

Sedevacantist clergy do not have supplied jurisdiction. I will be addressing this in an upcoming article.

I became sola scrptura. I aint going back . We are saved through Jesus Christ. I know ex Catholics that left in 1969 never sent the children to a Catholic school. I admire SSPX they fought the good fight . My view Rome Apostacised. .

Sede sink into Protestantism

If He is the pope then you need to be obeying him!

No to sedevacantism!