CROWDKILLING, BLACK METAL, JONNY CRAIG - Viewer Comments 013 

Hey Finn, can you link me to your 2nd channel? Would love to subscribe. Thanks!

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@@ThePunkRockMBA Where?

That's where I looked, but I didn't find it. 🤷‍♂️

Could you start uploading them on a RU-vid channel? That's where I get all my podcasts and it would make your podcast more accessible and would help more people find it.

Omg. You get my vote for winning the internet today. +5 extra points for cat photo.

being an early to mid twenty year old emo or ex emo in seattle means at least one person you know either is or was friends with onision and it SUCKS.

This comment is the best so far

To be fair, he lives an hour away from Seattle. Don't do us dirty like that.

Amazon is worse

It shouldn't matter either way really. If he's happy with how he dresses that's all that matters.

If he's wearing Dimmu Borgir, Ghost, Slipknot, or GWAR personal makeup then u can ask... . 😂

Is this Anthony fantano u describing

Might be that he wears Nike? Nike being cancelled by some more, “progressive” HC kids

It is weird that people think his outfits are weird. Maybe cause New Zealand is a bogan country (not sure of that's a world wide term lol) but to me it looks normal, like who's head would actually turn at this?

The world would be a better place if we all did that more often!

Agreed. Itd be easy just to sweep it under the rug. Just shows how genuine Finn is.

Honestly, I already had a lot of respect for Finn, just for being the guy that states his opinion(s) in a way that’s not offensive to others that feel differently. But that portion of this video made me respect him even more! From one PNWer to another, thank you Finn! Thank you for representing that friendly Northwest mentality! 🤘🏼🤘🏼🤙🏼

Can anyone time stamp? I can’t seem to find what ur talking about Update: nvm I found it lmao

I'm an old head now, but that's how it was done in the early 90s. Liner notes and zines.

TTHHIISSS!!! If it weren't for them (mostly Roadrunner bands in the 90's) I wouldn't know as much as I do.

Facts! Thank you *guy* from *Bands* and guest vocals from *guy* from *band*

Yup! Liner notes were like band endorsements for me back in the day.

Before mp3s it was hard to discover bands in a wide variety any other way. You could risk purchase randomly from a distro at a show, but that was not always financially feasible.

Yeah, crowdkilling is when you're out of the pit and some douche wants to start something but won't leave it in the pit. Sometimes the energy is wild and you are gonna get pushed around, that's fine and expected but sometimes people try to involve others for no reason other than they are jerks. Went to an Unearth show, the pit was wide and plenty of space but this one dude kept hardcore dancing right on the people at the front who were trying to watch the stage. He hit my buddy on the head multiple times for no reason, and he got his ass kicked. Some music scenes, though, especially ones deeper in hardcore culture, you are pretty much going to be in the mix just being in the venue, but at that point there's an understanding that this is how it is and it isn't gonna be for everyone.

Agree punching and kicking people on the perimeter of the circle pig was never what it was about it’s for fake tough guys who would’ve been stomped for acting like that at a show in the old days

Can’t say for certain if he was referring to crowdkilling *specifically* or beatdown/hardcore pits in general so forgive if I miss the mark, but in the video clips he showed was kind of a “what did you expect” scene. If you’re going to spend money to go see a show you should at least do a little research on the band and what the crowd/pit situation will be. You can’t go to a beatdown show and be surprised when beatdown pits happen. However I say that to say this - anyone who feels the need to take their issues outside of the pit and break the “unwritten rules/code” is a gigantic pussy

Yea we had some kids from the next town over who thought core dancing through the crowd all the way to the merch tables and smashing anyone in between was cool, that's what I always think of literally kill the crowd around the pit.

I was a crowd killer and head walker for sure. I never donkey kicked or hit people in the back of the head cause I think that’s fucked. But best believe I’d run full speed, full body into the edge of the pit. Keep that shit wiiiiide open at all times lol. I remember too it was common around the edge to put an arm or leg out as a “feeler” if you wanted to get a buffer between you, kind of an unspoken word to respect the “feeler” or ignore it and get your ass beat

You understand that are other devices that play music, right?

@@ThePunkRockMBA hahaha yes I do! Was just surprised by your pop love and thought it was a good joke

Lol. Just cuz you listen to pop doesn't mean you have to listen to the radio to consume it. Sound quality on the radio is utter shit, and the amount of censorship is extremely annoying/stupid on US radio stations.

I love your joke bro

@@ThePunkRockMBA Dude, STOP BEING SO ANGRY! REeeeee

Based

My thoughts exactly

I would expect someone speaking on BM would have more insight than, 'just go read Lord's of Chaos'. It's proven that he is making videos and giving takes, without taking the necessary time to know what he's talking about.

It wasnt clear to me what he could have done differently, he wasnt clear about that at least in my point of view and also I saw the tendency to avoid controversy and I dont think RU-vidrs should avoid controversy, I believe the opposite actually.

@@Octavian2 how do you know whether Lords of Chaos ( the book) is the truth or not? You believe what people like Necrobutcher and Christian Vikernes have to say? Convicted criminals and Satanists pride themselves on lying. The authors of Lord of Chaos are Satanists also . To make people believe in lies and to be your own God is the heart of true Satanism. You being a Satanist should know that already. Believe nothing about anything is the whole of the Law. Blessed be

Yeah exactly. That's kinda normal fashion here😂

"Street by street. Block by block."

@Zerozerozero all he did was troll, have you read any of his old articles?

Yeah, I actually wanted to ask him in the comment, if he'd make a video about deathrock scene, but after watching this video I guess he's not a big fan XD

I don't think it was a diss. I come from a metal background and found something similar. Looks metal, but isn't. The difference though is that I still found them a compelling listen and investigated further. I can fully understand how some people would find it a disappointment though.

@@irrakus I wish he would too, but there are a few good pages that do that though!

@@CarnivorousMowerI totally understand, that when you're expecting that you bought death metal release you'll probably be disappointed :) But I kinda wish that they would get more credit for what they did outside of goth community. Especially since it probably was hard to be drag artist like Rozz in scene dominated by hardcore fans

@@Rikkrtreat Yeah I know, I've actually read some of them, but I was hoping to see a video from him simply because he's not a part of goth community, so he might have different perspective

I have a very specific reason which i will talk about soon :)

That was my problem with his Babymetal comments but he denied saying they lip synch even when I gave him the time markers in his video where he'd said it. Totally forgot about it since then until this came up on my feed. Don't know what the punk connection is - I was into it in 1976, aged 16, for a couple of years but that was 44 years ago!

Yeah, dude needs to learn to take responsibility for when he's done goofed instead of blaming "sensitive" fans. Like 90% of the comments I saw in that video regarding Babymetal were just pointing out that he's wrong about the singer lipsyncing. She's just actually really fuckin good and deserves credit for that.

@@RoguSpanish Hm, thanks for the insight, I didn't consider that Finn may have possibly just fucked up with his facts and didn't want to put the time in to dig into the bands he was talking about. That's definitely a possibility.

Kevin Dubois that’s the biggest issue if you don’t like a band that’s your opinion snd trying to tell you your wrong is at least pointless imo. But saying something that’s incorrect is just unfair to the group. Like em or not the group does work hard and shitting on them for stuff they don’t even do is unfair. This goes for any group

It's not completely inaccurate to say they lip sync. They do, in fact, lip sync. I don't remember exactly what Finn said in that video, but if you're saying that they don't and have not ever lip synced, then you are mistaken.

Nima .f exactly... instead of apologizing he did the classic metal head and called the fan base sensitive instead of admitting he was wrong lol

Lmao one of the screenshots he took of how you Babymetal fans are sensitive pretty much says the same thing

Equinox so you’re telling me if someone said your favorite leads singers lip sings you wouldn’t defend them???

@nikugusotaro Yep. He totally denied he'd said it even when I gave him the time markers for his video so he could actually listen to himself say it. Su does not lip synch. And how that Poppy can be used as any sort of comparison is beyond me.

@@lastbraincell5041 I honestly don't care at all. It's pretty comical actually that youre STILL playing this out.

When Rozz was with Then they where fucking awesome

Adolf Stalin Honestly just found and added them to a playlist off this video

@Adolf Stalin Most 80s goth bands didn't wear facepaint. That's more a 90s thing. Sisters of Mercy hated the goth label so much they started performing in Hawaiin shirts.

@@buddylotion1882 That's partly true but facepaint was common in LA deathrock and London Batcave which overlapped with goth.

@@AdolfStalin No -- just -- NO. Goth has nothing to do with Black Metal, Facepaint, or Corse Paint. In the 80s and 90s (even to this day) Goths wore makeup. Black Metal musicians wore facepaint and corpsepaint. Take a look at the book "Some Wear Leather, Some Wear Lace" to get an example of what Goths at that time looked like.

I think we could say Finn did the unnecessary for the ungrateful because he wanted a dose clap and twenty-three lubed up schizophrenics with delusions of grandeur waited for the moment to unleash their practiced hatred. ;D

Agreed. I love black metal and I don’t find offense to it because everybody has their taste. Just like I cannot stand iggy and most any of the pop rap he mentioned but it’s his taste not mine and that’s ok.

Dude, he made a whole video shitting on a genre he clearly knew very little about based on some very sketchy sources and full of blanket generalizations, people in the comments were mostly just pointing out mistakes or unfair stereotypes. I mean the dude has a whole series of videos where he defends the most hated bands in the world, so it's weird to see him taking such a hard stance on such a large genre. He has said more positive things about Brokencyde than the entire genre of black metal. Fucking Brokencyde!

Its wasnt about him disliking it i think it was more the name calling you no geeks in there basements and stuff like that was uncalled for id say i wasnt angry about still

Nah i don’t agree that any of it was poorly prepared

Agree that hardcore dancing is dumb 100%

@@ThePunkRockMBA It would have taken you as much effort as watching just a single live video (not even the full video would have been necessary) to know for sure, that Babymetal isn't lip synching. How isn't that poorly prepared? You listened to Poppy's latest album in its entirety, which obviously makes sense to get an idea about her music. On the other hand, some of the comments you made about Babymetal really make me wonder if you ever listened to any song other than the one (Karate) you showed in your video. You're praising Poppy's musical diversity and creativity (which i agree with), while reducing Babymetal to "pretty standart, by the numbers modern metal", when Babymetal is probably one of the most musically diverse and creative bands you'll find out there? Yeah, that's definitly poor preparation in my eyes. You also made some very curious decisions when it came to placing bands in your "4-way chart": Kiss plays ok music and relies heavily on their gimmick? Steel Panther play exeptional music? Sure, there's a degree of subjectiveness when it comes to judging how good music is, but come on man, Kiss pumped out hit songs left and right while using no makeup at all for over a decade. Remove the gimmick from Steel Panther and hardly anybody would care about their music anymore. Like i said: You made alot of good points in that video, but you also had your fair share of very questionable statements, so i'm not surprised that video rubbed some people the wrong way.....

My friend who hosted a local Metal show stopped guys from doing that because they fell into audio equipment and also there were female metalheads there who weren't feeling that. I also wasn't feeling that. I'm just there to hang to the side, enjoy the music and a beer and make sure everyone is safe and enjoying themselves. Most of us older guys (and girls) just want to chill. I'm not a bouncer I just want people to have a good time. Now if it was a Hardcore show nobody could trip on that.

@WesBorlandFan looks like we found the crybabies he was talking about. Babymetal is dumb and you can't accept it.

Which is an incredibly fair point of view. Baby metal is just a band that even when you give them a chance, you do have to admit some people just never had a chance because of them not the band... I am one of those people and I admit there is nothing logical or cool or mature about my view on baby metal. Something about young Asian chicks, their voices, their looks, the just completely different culture... I don't think I could ever take them seriously. I tried to listen to them and give them a chance but it's just not something I think i have the capacity to enjoy. From there it's not like I can just dislike them and whatever.. If I'm ever forced to talk about baby metal, which in my defense I avoid like the Corona virus, but if I am ever participating in a conversation about baby metal I tend to just go "H.A.A.M." so to speak. There's no whatever, no middle ground, it's just balls to the wall hatred... I don't know what it is about them but they just push every button I have. It's like when you see those reallllly girly emo dudes in an emo band just absolutely WHINING, no ounce of singing to it, about some incredibly emo stupid pathetic bitch shit that makes most people think about how their 9 year old sister/niece/daughter could beat this 20 something dude to tears on the ground. That same kind of natural hate people have for that is the same kind of natural hate I have for baby metal (though nowhere near as intense as the whiny emo dudes). Again it's not something I'm proud of, not something I think is right, I'm definitely more immature because of it, but at the same time I can't help it.. I do feel like people listening to baby metal should maybe kind of understand that there would be a lot of people like me (except maybe less understanding that it's their personality flaw causing this unnatural biased hate as I am). I just don't see how if they were being completely honest with themselves like I'm trying to do here, they can't admit that maybe baby metal is a pretty easy to hate thing and they shouldn't get so incredibly out of sorts when to no one's surprise people dislike the band and spew out brutal, unmitigated, hatred via comments. It's the internet for christ sake.. And we're talking about baby metal... I mean, come on...

EXACTLY THIS. The flip side of the coin that is 'Babymetal fans whose fav songs are Gimme chocolate and Karate' is 'people who criticize Babymetal solely based on Gimme chocolate and Karate'.

Ka3 I always thought that since those are the most popular songs, people think that that’s all the group does and they stop looking farther into the band but then some of their more serious tracks such as Rondo of Nightmare, No Rain No Rainbow, Shine, etc. are overlooked or people often see the girls and think that there it is just them and there is no band behind them and only us backing tracks.

Ngl I kinda fuck with Babymetal

We are with you brother

Luv u bb

Ed Z no that wasn’t the problem lol he was blatantly wrong

Should be a Hard Times headline.

@@rudobuquadrant it should be illegal

People who plan to do that stuff should consider wearing bright orange vests or something. :/

Scorpio Rising then they get defensive and call themselves “artists” and to stay away from their space

Sarah Bonito adressed it during the set and called that guy out. Then her Bouncers beat the shit out of him and I got a free shirt.

It's because his shortsightedness only allows him to focus on the three idol vocalists and the fact that they dance. He even assumed they do playback, and never paid any attention to the great metal band playing on the background

You’re right, they’re not clickbait per se but they are dumb lol

@@ThePunkRockMBA now the last thing you gotta get rid off is the "5 second clip from the video before the video intro" bit^^ I hate that trend since it first appeared in 2018 or so lol

@@frankunodostres473 the cold open? i like those

@@darkinertia2 not a cold open. More like a spoiler of a later part of the video

@@frankunodostres473 I'm not a fan of those, either.

Well to be far Black Metal makes it too easy to criticize. I still see their fandom as overly edgy people that still act like teenagers who crave praise and attention for being the fan of by far the worse sub genre of metal. I can dig the instrumentals to some black metal but the majority really just sounds like random noise. The fans often come off as an even more annoying of the gatekeepers that are still stuck in the past

@@johnnymorningstar2855 Well sad that you have that perception. There are cringy people in every genre and those are the loudest. In my experience the black metal community is the most excepting I was in. Most people are very friendly. I've never met even one black metal fan that only listens to black metal or even metal in general. Maybe your view is just based of memes on the internet but I think most people don't take the black metal image that serious. And to tze sound I can say you have to have an ear for that. Just like it is with death metal for example. Black metal for me is the most diverse genre of metal and very passionate.

He took it down because of negative feedback

Please read my IG post about it

Same, started watching it before going to work, and when I came back it was gone x__x

@@ThePunkRockMBA I'm not on Instagram. I think in general it's good to keep all information available on the primary platform, otherwise it dilutes the channel (although in this case I can guess why videos come down due to too much aggro)

Yeah it's actually an interesting subject. Although my opinion differs greatly i am Interested in the debate

Actually many of them said “they don’t lip sync ANYMORE.” So, I wasn’t even wrong on that point - but again, it’s not about facts, it’s about emotions

I have mostly watched videos from 2015 and beyond, so her having lipsynced before that could be fully possible. That being said you're making a video about them in 2020 not 2012. Saying someone lipsyncs discredits them alot and it's not fair considering they've been touring like maniacs for years now without using lipsync. (No hate btw, I still really like your Channel.)

Baby metal still suck though.

Baby Metal is made for incels.

@@bryanstasko Shots fired lol

Legend!

I have to agree there seems to be 2 types of BM fan at the moment, the Babymetal can do no wrong, and the ones that are open to honest criticism. The problem was he upset both sides with his comments, because they were statments that Babymetal fans have been hearing for the last 6-7 years, and any one that bit a bit more than 2-3 video's research would know about. Most BM fans are open to honest criticism by some that knows what they are talking about, I do it all the time.

I was surprised to hear the comments he made about how bad BM fans were. I saw a few of the "you're stupid" type comments but I feel like that's due to the internet rather than BM in general. Also didnt see much "trying to have a discussion" either. I made a comment on how they dont lip sing live and got attacked for it, and his comment didnt come across as wanting discussion. Interesting points.

Babymetal is brainwashing trash and y'all are their victims. Seek mental help.

​@@theskipper34 Both of his black metal and babymetal videos were uninformed and that's why most people "raged". And now he calls people sensitive because they corrected him. What a douche. He didn't even post comments where people corrected him, just cherry picked few bad ones.

@@VoxParanoia But its goooood brainwashing trash............ With chocolate and bubblegum inside!!!!!!!!

HEADSTRONG TO TAKE YOU ON

Thank you!

Upvote for MGLA

Adding Darkspace, A Forest of Stars, Nagelfar (not Naglfar)

I feel like he barely gives any attention to the new stuff, all he does in most of these videos is only talk about the classic bands, and the pioneers and revolutionaries, which is why sometimes some of his opinions to me on stuff like genres he doesnt like and stuff feel like he is basing it solely on the older days and mostly writes off a lot of the new bands as somewhat of a ripoff because this and that band did X riff first 20 years ago, and so they are the ones worth only talking about. I get it, sometimes he doesnt intend to sound like this, but Im surfing through his channel and all I see is only older bands and the likes, barely any mention of any new bands that have risen in the last 5 years and been huge (aside from Lorna Shore as the obvious one nowadays).

Same experience in OKC. Pho is my go to.

Twin Cities area has some great Vietnamese food as well. St. Paul in particular.

Joey I live in Houston. I have lived back n forth from Houston and Austin. I am bummed about all the shows cancelled due to the corona bullshit, I went to the acacia strain a few weeks ago. Great show

Vietnamese is the third most spoken language in Texas after English and Spanish. Pho and nail salons galore.

Here in Sacramento, I live a few blocks from the area of town known as "Little Saigon" (yeah, we don't have a Chinatown, we have Little Saigon). Ten years of living here, and I've barely scratched the surface of the literally hundreds of noodle and pho places. I should get in there and explore more. I do dig some of the Asian grocery stores, though. They've got some fun stuff.

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This community is based.

Corpsegrinder only has one weakness then

I know I've added Friday Harbor to my to-do list for the next time I'm in that area.

Thanks man!

Because ppl were bitching

What was it

@@holidaytrout5174 He said that people should stop buying physical media (Vinyl, CD's, etc.)

@@lex_C_88 As usual lol

@molochfeeds I read a few comments but couldn't watch the video. As far as I know, buying CD's of Vinyl only supports labels but not the artist. The reason people bitched was because Fin said that we all should stick to streaming and many people didn't like this oppinion

Thank you!

They have that one song on the first album that sounds like Limp Bizkit.

Thanks man!

So you're praising working with a rapist?

@@brendalynn7824 so anyone is a rapist because someone said they are?

fuckin whales bro

Fuckin seals bro.

Never saw the film tbh so i cant comment on it! Its interesting how many people didn’t hear that i said “read”

I suppose it would depend on where you were in Europe. I spent 11 weeks in Russia, and I fit in perfectly fine in Vans, a flannel, and tight straight leg jeans.

Where

c grib CZ, Austria, Germany

Ah, the good ole country of Europe

It depends on where you are and if skating/punk/rap and bass music (like dub and drum n bass) related underground scene is important there. In the city where I live (in Italy) skate is a big thing from ages and dressing like that is common.

Sadie I Disagree is sooo good

I've gone down a similar route now that I'm in my mid 20's. I've opened up more to indie pop and some rap, as well as some bluegrass and classic country. Why bluegrass and classic country? I wish I had an answer.

@@Las3r_Cat i guess when getting older you just wanna try new things in life even in music. I even got dreadlocks again and i love it more then i did when i was 12 due to having long hair with emo style.. Til i grew out of it.. Well 🤔 not really my emo days its in my heart. But having dreads now feels more free to me.

@@ghostcat8244 I'd been growing out my beard for almost a year, and I just impulsively shaved off everything but the mustache and soul patch last week. Sometimes you've gotta try stuff that might be dumb, but could also end up great.

@@Las3r_Cat indeed i let my beard n soul patch grow and shave off the mustache and i really like it. New things can be scary but sometimes its a good thing if try.

Thank you!

Terrible ain't it

Reprehensible Meshuggah music is subjective my guy did you know that?

And the dumbass dares to criticize the magnificence that is Babymetal

Yeah it's funny he said he listens to all genres and 'just good songs', and then names some of the least respected artists of those genres lmao.

@@kanglongshankz3313 I mean, Dua Lipa and Lady Gaga are really good, but yeah I'd say Iggy Azalea is mediocre at best and very cringe anyway. But hey, taste is subjective

Yeah, they do

I might shoot some recommendations, Turnstile (mostly their early stuff), Minority Unit (i think they split up or on hiatus, but still great stuff), and maybe Rotting Out

Some channels to check out: - Anti - Harikari Diat - No Deal - Atomvinter

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Hardcore dancing is criminally negligent. You could and should go to jail for what you do. You ruin hardcore shows, you ruin people experience, fuck hardcore dancing.