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Crown Audio XLS DriveCore 2 Series - Before You Buy

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Sorry about the slick choppy edits LOL! Hope you enjoy the video!
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Crown XLS 1502 - bit.ly/3bObFuN
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Gear used in this review:
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Crown XLS1002 - amzn.to/35nEL2w
XTZ Edge A2-300 - www.xtzsound.c...
Emotiva Basx A-300 - emotiva.com/co...
-----------------------------------------My Recommended Gear List----------------------------
This is a list of gear that I have owned and also recommend. Its always growing! LOL
Pre Amps:
Schiit Mani Phono Preamp - amzn.to/2ybXJgw
Mobile Fidelity Studio Phono - bit.ly/2SrjFL9
Loung Audio LCR MKIII Phono - www.loungeaudi...
Schiit Saga S - www.schiit.com...
Schiit Freya+ - www.schiit.com...
NAD C658 - bit.ly/2zK6AGn
Amplifiers:
Crown XLS1002 - amzn.to/35nEL2w
Schiit Vidar - www.schiit.com...
Apollon Audio NCMP400 - bit.ly/2Sumr2C
Integrated Amplifiers:
NAD C368 - nadelectronics...
NAD M10 - nadelectronics...
Rogue Audio Sphinx - www.rogueaudio....
Bluesound Power Node 2i - amzn.to/2W0f98V
Yamaha as1100 - amzn.to/3d8gmk8
Yamaha as801 - amzn.to/2KQExHN
DAC's:
Schiit Bifrost - amzn.to/2YsOVNZ
Project S2 Digital DAC - amzn.to/3d8QyUX
Schiit Modi DAC - www.schiit.com...
Bluesound Node 2i - amzn.to/2ylqEyA
Speakers:
Klipsch Forte 3 - amzn.to/2WdTbhi
Klipsch Cornwall 4 - amzn.to/3fgjdJu
Elac UB5 - amzn.to/2VUO9rb
KEF LS50 - amzn.to/3aZHMqV
Klipsch rp600m - amzn.to/35sjhkQ
Buchardt s400 - www.buchardtau...
Buchardt s300 - www.buchardtau...
DIY Speaker Kits:
Turntables:
U-Turn Orbit Turntable - amzn.to/3dcBGoq
Project Debut Carbon DC - amzn.to/2WofUYj
Project Debut Esprit - amzn.to/3bTRvQO
Mobile Fidelity StudioDeck - www.mofielectr... used in this review:
Schiit Saga S - www.schiit.com...
Schiit Vidar - www.schiit.com...
Schiit Modi - www.schiit.com...
-----------------------------------------My Recommended Gear List----------------------------
This is a list of gear that I have owned and also recommend. Its always growing! LOL
Pre Amps:
Schiit Mani Phono Preamp - amzn.to/2ybXJgw
Mobile Fidelity Studio Phono - bit.ly/2SrjFL9
Loung Audio LCR MKIII Phono - www.loungeaudi...
Schiit Saga S - www.schiit.com...
Schiit Freya+ - www.schiit.com...
NAD C658 - bit.ly/2zK6AGn
Amplifiers:
Crown XLS1002 - amzn.to/35nEL2w
Schiit Vidar - www.schiit.com...
Apollon Audio NCMP400 - bit.ly/2Sumr2C
Integrated Amplifiers:
NAD C368 - nadelectronics...
NAD M10 - nadelectronics...
Rogue Audio Sphinx - www.rogueaudio....
Bluesound Power Node 2i - amzn.to/2W0f98V
Yamaha as1100 - amzn.to/3d8gmk8
Yamaha as801 - amzn.to/2KQExHN
DAC's:
Schiit Bifrost - amzn.to/2YsOVNZ
Project S2 Digital DAC - amzn.to/3d8QyUX
Schiit Modi DAC - www.schiit.com...
Bluesound Node 2i - amzn.to/2ylqEyA
Speakers:
Klipsch Forte 3 - amzn.to/2WdTbhi
Klipsch Cornwall 4 - amzn.to/3fgjdJu
Elac UB5 - amzn.to/2VUO9rb
KEF LS50 - amzn.to/3aZHMqV
Klipsch rp600m - amzn.to/35sjhkQ
Buchardt s400 - www.buchardtau...
Buchardt s300 - www.buchardtau...
DIY Speaker Kits:
Turntables:
U-Turn Orbit Turntable - amzn.to/3dcBGoq
Project Debut Carbon DC - amzn.to/2WofUYj
Project Debut Esprit - amzn.to/3bTRvQO
Mobile Fidelity StudioDeck - www.mofielectr...

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@MrEd2466 Год назад

I am an audio enthusiast and professional musician and teacher. I have used many different amps both for Pro Audio and Home use. From Dynaco to Hafler 500, including Yamaha , Crown , QSC in both applications and they are the best . The Overpriced the so called audiophile amps are not much better then the ones I use. To pay 5 times more for something that may be ? a little more refined is absurd.

@ronlevine8873 Год назад

Much appreciated your criticism--and hanging out the "dirty laundry" that Crown does not disclose. My application is very specific: for my home audio system I need to drive multiple subwoofers, so I need an amp with high power that can work into a 2 ohm load and has a low pass filter and has a quiet fan if need be. The Crown is probably the most cost-effective solution (if not the only solution). If you know a better one, I'm all ears!

@hifihometheater Год назад

I don't know of a better price/performance amplifier for subwoofer duty than these Crowns. They are a solid choice. Thanks for your comment!

@mvanalst2003 3 года назад

Although most will never tell a difference, I appreciate the data you brought to the table. Good stuff to know. In a perfect world, the Crown would test better. But for the money, I believe it is hard to beat.

@ufarkingicehole 3 года назад

It isnt amazing and if you compare it to a legit A AB amp its apparent how much it actually lacks.

@analogaudiorules1724 2 года назад

@@ufarkingicehole then you're doing something wrong, they are good in their own right especially when running truly balanced. Its just a different take on the same thing. In the end it will be more reliable and is designed to be drivin hard and to make money, it runs cool and is energy efficient as well, you're probably the type to think all class d is the same, and that would be very ignorant. The best class d amp on the market would be the orchardaudio starkrimson as it use ganfets. As far as the crown limiting to 48k, its a professional piece, 4824 is a professional standard, and the rolloff on either end of the spectrum is so minor it just doesn't matter, when you see all the other features this amplifier, the active crossovers especially make a huge difference.

@ufarkingicehole 2 года назад

@@analogaudiorules1724 I am using it correctly and have over $30k of gear. These reviews lead people to believe that these crown amps are as good as purifi amps or even several others and they simply are NOT. They are good for the money and they are very well made. They are not in the same class as many reviews have led people to believe.

@randyreinninger6826 3 года назад

You'll never hear any different in sound quality. The only way would be by using test instruments PERIOD.

@henryeng5488 4 года назад

These Crown amps hit a sweet spot for value. You just have to fit the target use, PA, Subs, low-cost mid-fi in $10K setup I would probably not use the Crown... As for noise floor, I own three pair of bookshelf speakers at 85db, 86db, and 87db. I hear no hiss or noise. Sounds almost as good as my $1K PS Audio Trio A-100 ice amp. 95 percent of the way there... Good enough. Thanks for the bandwidth info. Doesn't affect me as I don't hear that high anymore and my little woofers not going past 50 Hertz anyway.

@hifihometheater 4 года назад

Thanks Henry. Thanks for Watching

@Squishmallows24 4 года назад

Henry Eng I was getting this loud hum from my speakers when I used this amp. Turned out to be my hdmi that was connected on my receiver for the cable box

@BrianNC81 4 года назад

These amps work great for powering subwoofers and handle a 2ohm load (in Stereo mode) like an absolute champ. I use car audio subs in my home theater on crown amps.

@hifihometheater 4 года назад

Yep, another great use for them. Thanks for watching!

@Pittsburgh-412 4 года назад

I do too. Much cheaper and louder options with using car audio subs. I have around 8,000 watts combined with my crown amps and Rockford Fosgate amp in my bedroom and it rocks the block. Thats my type of high fi lmao

@IRQ1Conflict 4 года назад

@@Pittsburgh-412 lol that is a true PA system. Your neighborhood thanks you for your service.

@ufarkingicehole 3 года назад

That is why to have this amp It's not the best option for driving highs or mids.

@EveryDayJay415 Год назад

I use a pair of crown xls 1502s for some diy 18" subwoofers and a 1002 for my front L/R one thing that I really like about them is the built in clip meters, someone about watching the lights fade in and out brings a lot to the table for me. other than that they run cool don't, take up much rack space and sound just as good to me as the amps in my Denon 6700H.

@xray111xxx Год назад

I have 2 XLS 1002 amps. They stand the gap of any project I throw at them. No longer that cheap but a stalwart in the world high priced snob boxes. I have had many in my travels. There are some silly faux pas the 1002 has but for what you get, silly to harp on those. Currently Emotiva and Parasound are my amplifiers of choice but my XLS1002 still is used in my applications where solid performance and reliability are what I look for. It never shuts down, never lets me down. Nothing special and doesn't need to be.

@hifihometheater Год назад

they are excellent performers and if they fit your needs, thats all that matters!

@richardgrumbine4867 4 года назад

I recently bought the XLS1002... for the money I am very impressed (used it was less than 250 bucks delivered and looked brand new - I live in Japan so most things are more expensive here). Had I known about the slightly better S/N ratio on the next amp up in the line I would have spent the extra coin as it is not much more (these amps range in price from 300 to 400 bucks new for most models). This amp does a great job with bass, and midrange and has power to spare... it just loafs along and is very transparent... but there is something about the top end that sometimes hints at discomfort... not always... and not often... but there is something about sibilant sounds... they are a little over emphasized somehow... the trailing edge of cymbals as well... if your speakers are a bit more relaxed that might be a good thing... but if they are a bit forward it might be a bad thing... I am using them with B&W 604S2s... and it has made them a tad too forward... I am coming off of a very well regarded mono-block... so I was asking them to fill very big shoes. They almost do the job... and at something like 1/6 the cost and less energy consumption as well. The XTZ amp might be the answer... but it is not a thing in my country. The ability of the Crown amps to drive difficult loads is impressive... so if you have something that dips down to 2 ohms... I suspect these amps will handle it no problem... if you are coming off of a AVR amp... or a cheap amp these will be a step up most likely... if you have huge power needs... these are a good choice as well... even the entry level model makes big power, though if I was to do it again, I would have bought the next model up just because of its better S/N ratio... not that it has been an issue. They are also very flexible... they have hi and lo pass filters... can bridged to make HUGE power... and the displays and lights can all be turned off easily. They also have XLR and RCA inputs and you can adjust the sensitivity (though I suspect asking them to be more sensitive probably raises the noise floor a tad)... I run mine with XLR connections and normal sensitivity.

@hifihometheater 4 года назад

They can bring hard to drive speakers to life (my example would be Elac UB5's). If you're not used to hearing other amps, you may not notice. Thanks for watching!

@HungryEatNow 4 года назад

This amp will grow on you, it is very transparent as I have matched 4 different dacs and 1 standalone preamp. It brings out all the characteristics of them superbly. And we all know the potential of setups this can be used for is great. Enjoy this rough gem.

@pinxpinxpin 3 года назад

What happens when you send lots of power over 20 kHz to your speaker? Damaging high freq speakers and annoying bats? you cpmplain that D-class amps has AD-converters inside?

@citycowboy702 Год назад

I think it rolls off in the ultra low range so that your pro audio subs (typically limited a frequency range of 30hz to 2Khz) don't blow out. This isn't a car stereo amp, where you have a subwoofer enclosure inside of a box (a box inside of a box). Your pro subs are designed to be loud for crowds. That's why it fits on a rack. The Crown amp, while not ideal for home theater, was designed perfectly for PA systems, DJs, etc.

@mart34 4 года назад

You have compared the crown to totally different amps. Apples and Oranges. I use a crown for DIY sub and it's awesome. Roll off is insignificant still at 10Hz.

@andyh8239 3 года назад

Im considering the 1502 for a DD9500 dual 2ohm sub. Was also looking at the Dayton SA1000, but it seems inferior. How noisy is the fan on that crown? My CE4000 Is so noisy I relocated it outside the room, and eventually swapped out the fan with a Noctua. (much less cooling capacity, but way quieter.)

@analogaudiorules1724 2 года назад

@@andyh8239 dead silent, you'll be very happy

@soundfreak8892 2 года назад

Might not be the best amp for hifi but for live sound it’s an amazing amp for the price!!

@kevonmanuel 4 года назад

99% Of music you listen to does not go beyond CD quality 16bit / 22 kHz. Those FAKE HI-RES music you buy are just CD quality and below upsampled Hi-RES specs (24 or 32 bit /192 Khz or 384 Khz). The crown will do fine for audio.

@hifihometheater 4 года назад

I dont care what the resolution is. I want my amp to amplify the signal and nothing more. As I said in the video (and multiple times since) if you are OK with the amps limitations, GREAT! Im not arguing with anyone about their own listening preferences. This is just informational for people shopping around so they understand what they are buying.

@analogaudiorules1724 2 года назад

Kevin, thats why you dont buy stuff from ripoff sites like HD tracks and other bs marketing places and stick to real retailers or you rip your own vinyl, reel to reel tapes, or find other downloads and verify them though a spectorgraph to see that you are not screwd over. Get a good dac like a topping e 30 you'll Be perfect.

@conduit242 2 года назад

@@hifihometheater Considering the bit depth determines the dynamic range, you better start caring 🙄

@andyh8239 3 года назад

Your audio is out of sync with your picture toward the end. Your suggested alternative amps are anemic on power, and not even stable to 2ohms making them non starters. To be clear, you are concerned about the Crown being down a quarter of a dB @ 30Hz and 2/3rds of a dB @ 20Hz? (and the same at 15KHz and 21KHz end respectively) Don't get me wrong, I appreciate the info, but show me an Amp I can drive a 1200RMS 2 ohm DVC sub with that comes close. How noisy is the crown fan? How much idle power does it consume what dsp options does it have? what is the damping factor? Is the Dayton SA-1000 an inferior alternative?

@hifihometheater 3 года назад

This was about using these amps for two channel hifi. I said these are great amps for subs. You sure you watched the whole video? Thanks for the comment

@jaredpmoser 4 года назад

They are great amp for the money. U show me another amp that puts out similar power for the same price and I will look at that. Nothing close.

@hifihometheater 4 года назад

Any amp that digitizes the input signal and brickwalls the high frequencies is not a HiFi option in my book. Thats not snobery, it's just facts. This amp is for PA/subwoofer use and its excellent for that. I dont understand why people get so butt hurt when they are using it outside its intended design and someone calls out its limitations for that type of use. I'll take a little less power from an amp like the XTZ Edge and keep my inputs analog and high frequencies unclipped, thank you very much. There is much more to an amplifier than its power output. As I said in the video, if you enjoy this amp, thats great. I'm not trying to bash people for liking it, but I think people who are considering it would appreciate knowing about its limitations. If you're OK with those limitations and like it because it has big power number, thats fine, just say so.

@shangrilaladeda 3 года назад

@@hifihometheater the only limitations are how much money people can spend, not everyone is rich and I know your backed by other companies that compete with Harmon, you will lose, crown is a great company that finally made something for the masses and you on your high horse and big bank are knocking it down notches. When it comes to money nothing is too be believed

@audiorick841 2 года назад

Thanks for the video, it gives me an idea on what amp to get when my 2502 packs it in (if it ever does) lol.

@gershhayes796 2 года назад

Um I love when my amp sends a nice loud 12Hz signal to my speakers, I also love hearing the 22kHz sounds they add so much the the sound floor and also some other words that mean a lot if you pay more for equipment.

@arena_rock_man9030 4 года назад

I think the application for the xls is important to keep in mind. I tend to lean towards two channel audio myself. With that said, the schiit audio amplifiers are monoblock, so you need two. At that point you're looking at a minimum of $1,400. The XTZ Edge is at $500, that's more than $150 more than the crown. The emotiva is just $60 more ( it's a phenomenal class D amplifier for the price), but it does color the sound with a bit of darkness. the saving Grace of the crown is that it's neutral sounding and doesn't add anything to the sound and just amplifies the signal. The fact that it has internal crossovers at a current market price of $339, it's kind of hard to beat. Does the XLS 1002 have the double sampling that the 1502 has?

@hifihometheater 4 года назад

Actually The Vidar is a stereo amp that can be used mono. The Emotiva a300 is class AB. Thanks for watching!

@arena_rock_man9030 4 года назад

@@hifihometheater thanks for the great video!

@jcarlson2727 3 года назад

1/2 db down at the extremes? - probably a non-issue considering class D control and may actually help tame bright systems/speakers. The dual xlr inputs and individual gain control are really really nice: wished all amps had this. Thanks for posting, didn't know about the adc.

@ufarkingicehole 3 года назад

The crown still has a slight typical class D sound (cold and highs arent pleasant). The real issue is it was way over hyped. If you have decent gear the differences are extremely obvious. Bright speakers is the LAST thing you want to pair with this.

@muddyriverdogz 3 года назад

I put a crown xls 2002 head to head with a monolith driving KLF20 speakers. The Monolith flat smashed it in every way.

@ufarkingicehole 3 года назад

@@muddyriverdogz the crown isn't bad but reviews will have people believing it's something it isn't.

@madcrabber1113 Год назад

@@muddyriverdogz which Monolith?

@eafc2112 4 года назад

I'd love to see a reasonable multichannel class D amp using some of the better modules but that doesn't cost Emotiva money.

@hifihometheater 4 года назад

Not too far off from XPA, actually. www.nordacoustics.co.uk/nord-one-hypex-mp-multichannel

@arena_rock_man9030 4 года назад

@@hifihometheater the emotiva xpa is a thousand bucks. How is that a d class amp at less than emotiva money?

@danzilla31stompinontokyo36 4 года назад

@@hifihometheater hey thank you for the review. Can you explain to me what the real world performance of the 20hz roll off would mean? It looks like they are down about 1.5 db from the audioscience review at 10hz. But I'm having a hard time understanding the graph. What does that roll off mean in actual real world performance? Thank you for any help you can give me on understanding this

@berguezinho 3 года назад

Congratulations ! Simple and real arguments , Thanks a lot ! I agree... This amplifier is fantastic for everything , subwoofers , price, etc , but for quality Monitors speakers ( mids, tweeters) you may loose details ....

@ron101346 10 месяцев назад

But the point is that only the Crown DSP amp provides high pass/low pass crossover filters to use it as a subwoofer amp.

@ebaysnipa 4 года назад

I’d had a couple of these amps with a set of tekton double impact and was happy until i tried a tube amp with them, now i’m looking to unload the crown for something that i can leave on and sound better.

@Ifeany1 4 года назад

What model you have and looking to sell?

@russmaleartist 4 года назад

The true measurement is the buyer, who finds their purchase satisfying in a world of electronics where performance is purely subjective. If it wasn't subjective . . . then there would not be so many varying sounding amps on the market -- ALL with high retail sale. Opinions are like armpits -- everyone has one -- and for that individual, their opinion is infallible and is all that primarily matters to them. There is an unending list of new amps, etc. all claiming to be the latest and greatest . . . but somehow that which was the GREATEST becomes a piece of crap that falls short of the new crop of manufacturers' output. Naturally, there are possibly new discoveries -- but how many ways can you amplify a sound with all these hyperbole descriptions and unspeakable improvements -- and it happens every year with the, nudge, nudge, being marketing with new cosmetics and specifications (that they can LIE about and often do) and the public clammers for having that name sitting in their sound room with a 100% boasting rights and a challenge to others who were stupid enough to buy the competition, but who erroneously think the same of their purchase. Everyone can't pay $5,000 and up for amps, let alone the price tag to keep up with the Jones, who is, by the way, always looking to have the latest and greatest for bragging rights in their listening room. So, you can use other people's experiences as a thermometer to gauge the performance of these creations -- but do yourself and your nerves a favor -- when you find something good that satisfies your ear -- not someone else's ears -- be happy and content . . . and truly, enjoy your music and be thankful you can afford what you have, where many people HAVE NOTHING AT ALL!

@mikeweatherford5312 Год назад

This is a subwoofer amp. It has quiet fans, mostly silent. The 20 hz roll off is no big deal, only -1.5 DB at 10 hz.. if you want class D full range, look at Hype X stuff. Most hype-x products are not powerful enough to drive subs until you get to the top end modules at 2000$.

@hifihometheater Год назад

I agree. I am a big fan of Hypex ams

@danzilla31stompinontokyo36 4 года назад

Really appreciate your review here I just purchased an RBH SV1212NR passive sub and am looking for a good amplifier to drive it. I already own crown 1502 1002 and 2502. So I'm hoping to use them instead of dropping more coin on another amp Can you help me understand the real world impact of the 20hz roll off? It looks from the ASR review as if it's down about -1.5 db by 10hz? It's hard to gauge from the graph. Just how much power would I be losing at those frequency ranges? They SV1212NR can go solid to 16hz and in room even lower. Also would the roll off keep me from bottoming out the sub or is it still necessary to place a high pass filter in they're I keep hearing back and forth on this subject and am just trying to get some clarification Thanks for any help you guys can give

@shangrilaladeda 3 года назад

You can’t beat the price on this amp, it’s one of the best amps under 1000 usd, yes there are better options but be prepared to spend thousands more.

@ArthaxtaDaVince777 Год назад

Actually there is a much better amp if you save another 700 follars

@shangrilaladeda Год назад

@@ArthaxtaDaVince777 what amp can produce as much power watts and low ohm ratings for this amps can drive loads under 1 ohm so what amp has better specs for 700 more?

@shawnramsay1851 Год назад

@@ArthaxtaDaVince777 of course zero reply...must have got caught up in a bud light? I can mention a few that are better but as previously stated not for the same price. DUH I know of a better one but its double the price.......

@niskibum5196 4 года назад

Not really a fair comparison, you are comparing the crown with an amp that will cost twice as much when you get 2, and then one that has half the power for the same cost of around $500. How about comparing the crown with another amp the is close to both price and power, if there is such an animal.

@hifihometheater 4 года назад

you dont need two of any amplifier I compared it with. They are all stereo amps. Thanks for watching

@niskibum5196 4 года назад

Sorry, my mistake, the schiit comes in at almost 3 times the cost. It's $700 for only 100 watts at 8 ohms.

@hifihometheater 4 года назад

@@niskibum5196 the XLS1002 retails for $340, so about twice. The XTZ Edge is closer at $500. If the Crown's lower price makes up for its limitations for you, great! Is what it is. It's good to have choices but theres no free lunch.

@sanglee4686 Месяц назад

Actually, I am a recording and mixing engineer and we just filter out at 60Hz with third oder filter and around 18 kHz so I think there's no contents that has data on that low end and high end area. Why do you wanna pay more for that area?

@kathyzbodula3233 Год назад

Finding and deciding on an "affordable" higher-end amp (probably will need to be mid-fi) is a daunting task. I have a set of custom cabinets loaded with high end Focal speakers. My current receiver delivers 90 watts per-channel and the speakers are just gobbling it up. Im looking for an amp that has gusto (guts) at low volumes as well as enough power to reach theses speakers real potential. I was leaning towards the crown with the DriveCore-2 because reviews seem to indicate it has the bottom end im looking for but now I listen to this review. Ultimately, would like to have an amp the can be used for home system and a future PA system. Home system is the priority. Any suggestions are greatly appreciated as im about to give up!!!

@hifihometheater Год назад

"....can be used for home system and a future PA system. " I don't think anything will meet this requirement better than the DriveCore-2 amps. Im not trying to discourage anyone from using them, especially for home theater. I have seen them used in very high end theater setups. I was just pointing out some things about it that "audiophile" or "pure signal" types may not have been aware of. They are great amps. I was going to mention looking at the Monolith AB amps until you said you want it to do double duty as a PA amp. The Monoliths are much too heavy for that

@DeadOriginal 3 года назад

thanks! I just got it because it's 9lbs but it doesn't sound as good as my Crest 4801 using it for guitar ! The DSP conversion, I wish I knew about it in advance

@randyreinninger6826 3 года назад

The crown amplifiers are fine and those other amplifiers are priced to take your money. Crown amplifiers will kick their asses and it will cost you pennies compared to those

@randyreinninger6826 3 года назад

Living in a fantasy world, kinda like speaker wire or hdmi cable you don't need costly cables, speaker wire to get the exact outcome. Just taking your money PERIOD. LOTS OF IT 💰

@alainthomas6449 3 года назад

Very good comments . Thank you

@leandrozacovichi5537 4 года назад

Good Review sir. I like it. Thanks. Very objetive

@scottlowell493 4 года назад

ASR tends to be a Topping DAC fanboi, despite other DACS measuring better and having a better QC record.

@hifihometheater 4 года назад

There are always strong opinions on any forum. After a while, you get what the vibe is and can just use the objective info. it's a great resource for information. Thanks for watching!

@analogaudiorules1724 2 года назад

Well they are cheap and for the performance they offer, you'll be out a lot more cash to get something equal, the topping e30 beats out a 2500 dollar bench mark dac, lmao.

@milosdunjic8718 2 года назад

What about using this amp in bi-amp setup, as a brute force power muscle, to just cover low frequencies, i.e. setting its both channels (using it built in crossover) as Low Pass (crossed over at 500 Hz) ? That’s what I am considering, to add to my existing Quad 909 power amp. My pre-amp is Benchmark LA4.

@hifihometheater 2 года назад

this amp would be great for that. its a fantastic subwoofer/low frequency amplifier.

@milosdunjic8718 2 года назад

@@hifihometheater thanks ! Great video btw!

@bobidderis3880 3 года назад

I just wanna use this XLS series to power up my front mains in my 7.2 ht setup. Should I go with my purchase or not?

@hifihometheater 3 года назад

If it fits your needs and budget and you are ok with its limitations I discussed, absolutely. Its a great amplifier.

@bobidderis3880 3 года назад

@@hifihometheater pretty much I don't even bother for the high freq rolloff and the bottom end sub bass rolloff. My subs has its own amp. I might be just using it for 80hz to 20khz range and my ears were not so good hearing freq above 17khz 😅. Thanks for the video sir. Appreciate it! As for signal were converted to digital and then back to analogue, is there a chance that the output sound might be delayed a bit?

@MichelLinschoten 4 года назад

Okay so which MODEL CROWN are you talking about ?! The 1002 has the worst .. the 2502’xls Has totally different specs on distortion numbers

@cataprofu 3 года назад

HY ...PLEASE IF YOU KNOW...Behringer A800 vs XLS 2502... IN YOU OPINION WICH MEASUREMENT IS BETER FOR HOME AUDIO HIFI AND SOME OUTDOR EVENT ... THANK YOU VERY MUCH SIR...

@gunnardegard1154 7 дней назад

I have 2 amp`s ROTEL RB-991 that I have conneted to 2 Cerwin Vega XLS 215. 1 per speaker and I have been thinking about selling the 2 Rotels, but they are a classic amps soo I really dont want to.. I was looking at Crown amps XLS 2002 and 2502.. Would anyone here have sold 2 twin Rotel RB991 if they had them.``??? When I play on my Amp, you can here that the CERWIN VEGA speakers need ALOT more power.. Thanks for every answer I can get

@valobou 4 года назад

Thank you for valuable information. Your recommendation is Crown XLS1002. I have Audiolab 8300A 8 Ohms 75watts p.c., with work perfect with even my Chinese cheap DAC connected to computer. I am wondering about if it will make some improvement and adds some color for my Q acoustic 3010i with is only 75Watts max . if I use my Audiolab 8300A like preamp, and Crown XLS1002 like power amp.? Usually I am listening music on low volume. And why you recommended Crown XLS1002 above Crown XLS 1502 with has better noise ratio response. Thank you for your response .

@karllee2344 3 года назад

Seems like a technically nit picky point. In my opinion it's quite irrelevant that an amp can allow for a potentially unlimited frequency response beyond what humans can hear anyway, but I guess it gives audiophiles one less reason to throw an amp in the bin lol.

@ArthaxtaDaVince777 Год назад

My class A amp has a perfect frequency of 20hz-100khz, but that doesn't stop it from sounding like crap on my system.

@magneticcinema 4 года назад

Thx for the review. Curious if you have any personal experience with the Emotiva PA1 monoblocks and how they compare to other Class D amps in this price range?

@hifihometheater 4 года назад

I have not but they look like PS Audio S300's without the input buffer. I think Im going to order a pair and try them out

@cataprofu 3 года назад

Behringer A800 vs Crown XLS1002...HELO SIR PLEASE TEL ME IN YOU OPINION WICH MEASUREMENT IS BETER FOR HOME AUDIO HIFI AND SOME OUTDOR EVENT ... THANK YOU VERY MUCH SIR...

@aaronmathias6739 4 года назад

And since you have quoted AudioScienceReview for your point of view, I have gone ahead & subscribed to your channel! Awesome watch!

@randyreinninger6826 3 года назад

Big spender or smart spender

@anandshah71 3 года назад

Anyone tried Hypex to power subs does it have the same limitation as the crown. I have a Peerless STW 350 15” pair in sealed sub that I wish to power for great Music snd movies

@djlotfiwah Год назад

do you guys really hear something at 24kHz ??

@hifihometheater Год назад

nope

@billparr 3 года назад

Will resampling sample rate put delay timing at the output?

@vincemccarty8787 Год назад

Do the crown xls amps introduce hiss in a home theater set-up? Ive been looking into them for a while now to hook up to my denon avr-a110

@hifihometheater Год назад

they can if you have higher sensitivity speakers

@whocares.20 2 года назад

Really not sure where you get this idea that an amp is better because it puts out frequencies bats and dogs may hear. Your carb parts cleaner may like them, but my speakers do NOT want those frequencies. My amp does NOT want those frequencies either. Your ears WILL hear the trouble they cause with the frequencies you DO want to hear. Understand? That Crown shows a very flat response in the human audible range, job done there. The sampling to 48k is fine, freq response, dynamic range, etc. all well within the needs for a good HUMAN hearing audible output. I bought 3 of the Crown XLS 2502's, and I love them. Clean. Loud. Quiet. Affordable. Low power consumption. Consumer levels with pro level inputs, on board DSP crossovers LP, BP & HP, very handy. NO Crown does not pay me, I wish they did.. hint hint.. lol. It is like the old sample rate war, 192k is better than 48k... blah blah, Got any grey Poopon? Ridiculous pathetic waffers of BS, for the buck.

@earlismarks7108 4 года назад

Solid info...thanx

@Squishmallows24 4 года назад

How do I connect a subwoofer or 2 to this amp?

@ufarkingicehole 3 года назад

Straight into the speaker outs. Use high pass filter.

@DJkwaz 4 года назад

There's no way to bypass the digital signal processing? No direct mode?

@hifihometheater 4 года назад

There is not. Every signal gets processed

@roltol7539 4 года назад

Do you know if Behringer inuke or nx series have those limitations on lower freq ? i heard lots of ppl using them for powering subwoofers, and make lots of subsonic via dsp.

@hifihometheater 4 года назад

The iNukes are down 3 db at 10Hz. Thats good enough IMO. Especially for ported subs

@kermitthefrog9924 3 года назад

I think it's interesting that HiFi guys think musicians are not critical listeners, to the music they make.

@Squishmallows24 4 года назад

Noob question.. I have a 5.2 system and calibrated to 75db each speaker. I just added the xls1002 amp to power my fronts. My question is at level do I need to set the gain knobs on the amp and do I need to calibrate the amp in some way?

@hifihometheater 4 года назад

you dont need to calibrate the amp itself. What you want to do is avoid clipping the signal coming from the avr/pre and also avoid clipping the amp. Its a balance of not setting the speaker level too high in the AVR and getting the amp driven to full power but not into clipping. I would start with gains on the amp around 12 o'clock and see where that puts your speaker level at for 75 db. Also, I would recommend setting the input sensitivity on the amp to .775Vms

@Squishmallows24 4 года назад

HiFi Home Theater thank you for the information. I went ahead and set the tone volume on my receiver to 0 and then moved the gain knobs on the amp for each speaker until both were at 75db which was about 3 o`clock on each gain knob. I didn’t change the dB levels on my receiver and instead just the gain knobs on the amp until each speaker hit 75db. My receiver is set to 80 crossover, do I have to set the amp to 80 crossover as well? There’s 2 options, low and high pass filter. Sorry for the questions. I’m very new to this but any help would be appreciated

@hifihometheater 4 года назад

@@Squishmallows24 those settings should be fine as long is you're not hitting the clipping lights on the amp. As for the filters on the amp, you want to leave them both off and just use the crossover on your AVR. adding additional filters will multiply the negative gain and you would create nulls in your frequency response

@roltol7539 4 года назад

what do you think about to use it for a subwoofer 300w rms, box tuned to 24hz. i wonder if this roll off gona loose me some subsonics, or can i use some dsp to fix them ?

@hifihometheater 4 года назад

These amps would be perfect for a ported sub tuned to 24Hz. Maybe try the high-pass filter at 22Hz at first.

@cookiemonster-mr4vq 2 года назад

You only here between 20 and 20,000 Hertz so it doesn't cut off anything in the range of human hearing. If you're an audio expert I can't believe you don't already know this. You also don't cover what Andrew talks about in the similarities between to simplify in some very expensive amplifiers. You might want to at least make a reference to his review about that. It's very interesting. Like too many alleged audio files you don't leave it at how it sounds. It sounds great so then it's a great amplifier.

@felixlaboy1453 4 года назад

Great video buddy. I buying the XTZ edge. I was wondering witch pre amp would you recommend for it. I’m using it mostly for streaming. Thanks for any help and advice

@hifihometheater 4 года назад

Glad you liked the video. Its funny you should ask that question because I plan on doing a video about a XTZ and preamp pairing I've been thinking about. The amp is backorder till July though :( What is your budget for the preamp and are you OK with setting something up in software or do you want something simple and plug n play?

@felixlaboy1453 4 года назад

HiFi Home Theater oh I didn’t know it was on backorder. I would to stay under $900. Or so. If possible. And I would prefer something that would be plug-and-play

@hifihometheater 4 года назад

@@felixlaboy1453 plug and play preamp for $900? Schit Freya Plus would be my first recommendation. That is just a preamp though. No dac or streamer

@felixlaboy1453 4 года назад

HiFi Home Theater that will be fine. I worry about getting something I can stream with these things out dated very fast I’m not sure I haven’t done any research on anything like them. This is for my bedroom do you think that’s a little overkill about my having it where if I decide to move it somewhere where I can enjoy better maybe I should go for it

@hifihometheater 4 года назад

@@felixlaboy1453 Bedroom eh? Hmm. Well, overkill is relative. Let me back up for a second. What speakers/subs will be used and what DAC and streamer?

@muddyriverdogz 3 года назад

I bought the crown XLS 2002 and then bought a Monolith 5X200. The crown couldn't hold a candle to the Mono in any way and you dont have to have golden ears to hear the difference. It's night and day. I sent the Crown back.

@dennisheadley4408 4 года назад

Any experience with the Parasound Zonemaster 2350?

@ufarkingicehole 3 года назад

I have this crown and also a parasound 2250vs. The truth is the 2250v2 in theory should be better. I find it to be alright. With Elac uni5.2 it sounds pretty good. The crown is ....meh

@jessyvictor954 4 года назад

Does this amp has autoswitching

@tuantrd 3 года назад

You know you can set it’s as full range rights

@hometheatertamil9859 3 года назад

Emotiva xtz can fund youtubers..

@tritiumglo4699 4 года назад

I almost used this amplifier to run my subs. The built in crossover, connections, and cheap power is hard to argue with. Then, I researched the amp and learned that it was engineered to rolloff steep at 20hz. Some of the measurements I have seen show they start to roll off at 26hz. That killed the whole Idea. Then when you look at the numbers they have .5thd and 97db S/N ratio. They are a good pro amp. But, I will never use them in a high end 2ch or home theater application.

@Derkiesmefpipe 4 года назад

Many run their HT subs with these and have no complaints. "High end" is another term for over paid.

@tritiumglo4699 4 года назад

@@Derkiesmefpipe Many will wake up and upgrade when they realize the nature of the thing.

@Derkiesmefpipe 4 года назад

I Run i-techs, and many I help run 2502's. No complaints. Odd

@Pittsburgh-412 4 года назад

Dude how often if ever do you play below 20hz? That hertz is almost not hearable. Thats car audio stuff lol. It wouldn't even be noticeable thats my point

@tritiumglo4699 4 года назад

@@Pittsburgh-412 Dude, frequencies below 20hz can be felt. Its not just car audio stuff, its also Home Theater stuff. I prefer equipment that is capable of reproducing subsonics. I have had subs that used DSP to limit low frequency response. I sensed something was lacking. Never was happy with that system and it was promptly replaced. Any owner of SVS or HSU can appreciate this.

@tombagshaw2311 24 дня назад

Schlub a dub dub...

@chemicallust77 4 года назад

It's amplifying actual usable bandwidth...they're very simple amplifiers that serve real world needs....Ridiculously expensive overly complex amplifiers only serve one purpose...to stroke the already inflated egos of pretentious "audiophile" douchebags...unless you're superhuman,amplifying anything above 24Khz is pointless...and although there are some movie tracks that have LFE below 20Hz...most of that is cut out with subsonic filtering anyway...Most subs that can handle subsonic low end have their own DSP amps built in like SVS and companies like that...they excel at building amazing subs that can handle most of the movie LFE sound spectrum...there are only a handful of man made musical instruments that can play anything below 20hz (very large pipe organs)...and purpose built amplified subs are your best bet at accurately reproducing their sounds.

@hifihometheater 4 года назад

I'm still waiting on my XTZ Edge.

@cdragon88 4 года назад

Lmfao, all the butthurt crown fanboys. Great info my man, I still gonna do the crown since I'm not an audiophile and only using for gaming and movies. Subscribed for being very informative.

@hifihometheater 4 года назад

Its is a great amp. It's just good to know what your are buying. Thanks for watching!

@Gadgetdad007 4 года назад

It really is a good amplifier. If you are using it with pa speakers it’s perfect.

@hifihometheater 4 года назад

I agree. Its an excellent amplifier for that application

@fx-studio 3 года назад

Great amp if you are using it with compression horn PA speakers with up to 20% distortion.

@sonidobaiker2978 3 года назад

To late i ready by 3 amplifier .xls2502 .

@ArthaxtaDaVince777 Год назад

It resamples to 48khz? Who gives a shit?! CD quality is 44.1khz and it sounds better than 24 bit 196khz and even DSD. So none of that means anything. People want a review of it's sound, so far most reviews make the same statements about its sound.

@jemdost6724 4 года назад

How can I have individual volume control remotely of each channel? Preferably under $30 Thought about splicing up two RCA bass knobs + - input with the sub wire then the other out RCA on the knob directly into the amp....but I don't understand how to determine if that is suitable for the potentially upwards of 300+ watt RMS draw from each channel Will this work and if so any concerns/cons? Or any better options? Would appreciate replies from anyone that would be knowledgeable on best way to accomplish this. Cheers!

@hifihometheater 4 года назад

what purpose would this have once the gain on each channel is set correctly? what kind of setup would this be for?

@jemdost6724 4 года назад

@@hifihometheater Thanks for the reply! It will be set up as home theater bass shakers. I will have a wireless transmitter on sub out from my 5.2 system. The wireless receiver will go from 3.5mm out to dual Y RCA into back of amp. I will use channel 1 out for one earthquake sound MBQ-1 rated up to 300 watt RMS at 8 ohm and down to 15hz. Channel 2 with a second one on opposite side of the couch. I want to use the band filter option to limit just the perfect frequencies for only wanted bass shakes for movies. The amp will be in back of the couch and my double recliner chair has a middle console so inside the console I want to mount 2 remote control knobs to be able to control essentially the "intensity" of each bass shaker on each side of the couch independently so each viewer can decide their own intensity preference. Now I'm realizing how I wanted to splice into the speaker in sounds like a bad idea since I would have to resist and this will probably limit power/low frequency if I'm not mistaken. So now I'm thinking of going through the input side. So from the wireless receiver it will go 3.5mm out to Y RCA (first will this even split the signal from 3.5mm aux out to two channels?) and if so then will it work if I just cut the RCA wires and splice the Y RCA cable to run through 2 potentiometers audio taper knobs? and if so how do I determine picking the correct rated potentiometers and any cons or better ways of doing this I'm open to suggestions. This way if it woks just seems easiest and cheapest. I'm also trying to figure it if/how I can utilize the remote sleep relay maybe using a latching 12v button with a relay in between but not sure yet how to go about that. Any knowledge on that would be nice too if you have any to give! Also if you want to shine light on if this would be a bad amp to use for this purpose I would love to hear it. I know in your video you say it rolls off after 20hz so do I really need and want below that. Obviously I'm not using it for regular subwoofers so maybe I do want to get as low as possible I just don't know how it will behave in m scenario. Sorry for the long post but really looking forward to a reply. and this was a great video btw thank yo for that as well. Cheers!

@hifihometheater 4 года назад

@@jemdost6724 I think two Schiit SYS would work as potentiometers for what you are trying to do www.schiit.com/products/sys As for the roll off. You really want as little of a roll off as possible for shakers. I dont know what happens below 20Hz on the Crown. Maybe there is a brick wall filter there as well like on the top end? I dont know if its been tested lower than on ASR.com. The XTZ amp has auto turn-off/on. It may make for a better amp for your shakers. Im not familiar with the ones your using though I Hope that helps!

@jemdost6724 4 года назад

@@hifihometheater Thank you! That would be very bulky and costly as I'am trying to have simple knobs integrated into the center console of my recliner couch. I will try a DIY and just get the stand alone potentiometer. Thanks for the video and reply cheers!

@Pittsburgh-412 4 года назад

I respect your opinion sir. But I don't really care about hi fi. I care about loud as fuck lmao. And thats what the crown does. What other amp in this price range can put out true 2,400 watts and play down to 2 ohms? For me this is great. I dont own a single 8ohm speaker nor do I want too

@analogaudiorules1724 2 года назад

Cant get 2400 out of a 15 Amp 120v outlet, do the math. You'll get no more the 1800 or so out of the 2502

@Pittsburgh-412 2 года назад

@@analogaudiorules1724 hey 1800 watts on two towers is amazing anyways. And I have a 3500 on subs. I know you are right about the power because I pop the breaker when I turn it up. Thats why I'm upgrading my electrical so I can do more

@analogaudiorules1724 2 года назад

@@Pittsburgh-412 sweet man, dont know why people talk shit on PA amplifiers, all amplifiers are great no matter their intended purpose, unless their Behringer amps, lmao, those Amps those are junk, sure, the crowns won't sound like a bryston, but it doesn't mean it's bad, I own a 1002 and love it to death for its own sound signature. Good luck with your system man, I recommend you check out the budget flagship killer the topping e30 dac preamp, it would take your crown amps to the next level with it driving them, it has the performance of a 2500 dollar benchmark dac preamp for just $150, look it up on audio science review.

@jaredpmoser 4 года назад

Schiit vidar is 2-3 times the price. Not even close.

@hifihometheater 4 года назад

The Vidar was used to compare how a decent amp should measure and explain the limitations of the Crown. I gave two recommendations closer in price. If those are too expensive for you, build your own ICE amp or buy used or whatever. I wish people that made snide comments would at least watch the whole video.

@ArthaxtaDaVince777 Год назад

@@hifihometheater I appreciate your video but please, next time compare sound, not some spreadsheet. Sound is not a spreadsheet. The vidar for it's price is utter shit, there are class D's around that price that would murder it 5 times over.

@hifihometheater Год назад

@@ArthaxtaDaVince777 I agree. more options today than when this video was made. check out my video on the Apollon Audio NCMP400

@ArthaxtaDaVince777 Год назад

@@hifihometheater Nice, that looks like a solid unit for the price. Much better than Emotiva, Schiit and others that make bad sounding amps.