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SJW and Politics ruins the things we love in the west. Focus on “diversity”, feminism, anti white, anti male, use feelings as an argument, ignore facts and logic, etc. Anime and manga is booming everywhere as the Japanese understand logics and facts in business.
@@DonVigaDeFierro boohoo is ppl asking for equality too much for your lil brain to handle ? gotta exaggerate it wherever u can because it’s “unfair” to u?
I didn't laugh out loud, but this is such a clever play on the quote that I just can't help but respect your wit. A quality RU-vid comment, who wouldya thought.
If you hadn’t watched the film, SPOILERS The line “I am woman, hear me roar” is an excuse Cruella uses in the film to justify herself beating up little boys at her school who only teased her
@@Timothy_-ve2zp I mean she’s a fuckin villain. Sounds like something a villain would say to try and justify her actions. It’s a villain origin story you dummy
The Lion King is ironically based! when Strong Patriarchal (Republican) men rule there is plenty...When weak 'inclusive ' (Democrats) rule, jobs dissappear and are given to foreign interests
Scar is based off Claudius, but he was a villain. However he was a lot less evil than Scar, so I could see a POV where he starts off anti-heroic and is driven to evil instead of being completely evil.
@@Waaagh40KRed Disney: I got friends on the Twitter side. They'll be offended by you. They'll look deep into your heart and soul and make your worst nightmares come true. It's diversity, diversity diversity they need. When they look into the future it's diversity they see. And if you're not satisfied don't blame me. You can blame my friends on the Twitter side.
Read or watch some videos about what they did to Gina Carano .... it sounds like a clic (spelling) of bully girls picking on a girl they have all decided to hate, at a really creepy All Girls school. After Overlord's video this morning, I'd not give Disney a penny more. I don't care if it effects them or not, My own conscience will not permit me to be involved with such odious and mean-spirited people, even from a distance. I hope Disney goes bankrupt. It is probably impossible, but I would rejoice to see them harvest what they have sown. Cinderella, they aren't. They are definitely the evil step mom and her ugly daughters.
The Mandalorian was the last Star Wars Movie or t.v. thing that I was a little interested in and the truth is I thought it would be simple. That Mando would go to a few new planets each week. Sign up for a mission, a rare hunt for an artifact or try to collect on his next bounty and even that was starting to feel a bit crowded with " The hero of the week." So other than that if there are a few good independent graphic novels floating around or the old comics I think I'm just done. I'm good with Marvel's adaptation of Star Wars from the 70s where the heroes go off to different planets on adventures. That's all I originally wanted even out of poor ol' George Lucas but he got a little weird. I didn't need to see Darth Vader as a child. Just pick it up at the Clone Wars, they explain everything on the elevator anyhow and I get the gist of it that Obi One has been training Anakin and later Padme' says " You'll always be that little boy I met on Tatooine." Good enough clunky beginning for me.
Dogs are overrated and spread many diseases mostly now some crazy sick owners who love dogs so much start to have intercourses with them. Hollywood is obsessed with dogs that’s why they told us from young age to get a dog they are you best friends. Best friends don’t kill children more than snakes and bark at every neighbor they see. Simply it become your best friend if you feed it like any animal they only care about themselves and will like you if you feed them, a simple animal with simple basic needs don’t need clothes or anything like humans need beside food sleeping breeding comfort that’s it. Media is obsessed with dogs and don’t care about natural animals who contribute in the echo system with natural breeding selection, they always showed cats are bad now they found that they can make profit from them as well so they started changing ideas, they want your love for money those who are responsible of the multi billion dollar pet industry
@@desertmoonlee6631 I really don't think the first part about dogs was necessary (I'm more of a cat person but still🗿) I am upset though that cats are always framed as the bad guys:(
@@violetdots As a dog and a cat person, I personally think it's funny, just how I think it's funny that the digs are usually the stupid ones and the ones that scare cats when neither is necessarily true either.
And these weren't super smart dogs either, all they did was cover themselves in soot and climb onto a truck. But she's a woman, so she has to be brilliant.
@@ffordegroupie4931 ... What are you talking about? In the original story the dogs and the cat whose kittens Cruella drowned literally premeditated Cruella's financial ruin. They are not normal dogs. It's a fairy tale. They have humanized intelligence.
The only disney villain who deserves a movie to be redeemed as a hero is Hades. Unlike Zeus, he's dedicated to his job and prefers to avoid any kind of drama, he helps those in need that come to his kingdom, and wether he had an affair or not, he genuinely cares for his marriage. He's overall the most fair god in the actual greek pantheon.
My thoughts exactly as I was watching this. By all accounts, Hades one of the most morally good deities in the Greek pantheon, making his villain characterization in *Hercules* utter 🐄 💩. His releasing of the Titans to overthrow Olympus in the movie deserves a special mention, because Hades’ position in the underworld made him the de-facto warden of the Titans’ prison; he could’ve released them to take out Olympus any time he wanted, but he didn’t, and that alone adds an extra layer of 🐄 💩 to his portrayal in the movie.
@@markcobuzzi826 Lmao. IIRC, Hades and Persephone are the only sane couple in all of the Greek pantheon. No incest. No rape. No crazy magical shit... Just a married couple...
@@DonVigaDeFierro Albeit a married couple that started from a sudden kidnapping and later negotiations, based on the consumption of magical underworld pomegranate seeds. Still, I did technically say that Hades was a much "nicer" god, as in being the one relatively sane person.
I disagree that Disney are trying to recapture the magic of their glory days. They're not trying at all. They're just putting out half hearted remakes and prequels where all the money goes into politically correct recasting and soulless special effects.
Soulless special effects do indeed consume a lot of money. Politically correct recasting might actually be cheaper than the alternative, for one usually casts a bunch of newcomers for that.
There’s actually a disdain toward their legacy. That’s why we see them deconstructed, because it’s “fixing” the problems. Lion King treated like a documentary. Beauty and the Beast fixed Belle by giving her inventing prowess, having her intend to escape her life debt exchange, a town who didn’t actually like Gaston they were just paid, a diverse poor provincial town in an era with slavery, making LeFou “gay”… Maleficent men bad, mother figure love breaking a traditional curse requiring “true love’s kiss” regurgitation of Frozen’s nonsense. They hate their legacy. They hate their fans. But they want money, and people are too dumb to stop watching these trash movies which have mostly made a billion each. They see it to wax nostalgia about the original, so all these turds make money off the original. That’s why Dumbo flopped. Nobody wanted a Dumbo movie, because nobody ever even talks about it outside reeing over the crows being racist.
@@elvickRULES The thing is when you are trying to be "right" all the time then it loses it's magic. The bits that should be reasonable seem unreasonable and the bits that should be unreasonable are made too logical that they ruin the magic. Movies are products of their time so they don't necessarily need to be "fixed" because no one is going to make a move with those values today.
Nah that guy was probably a white male who owned a gun, so they probably actually see him as a genuine devil. That's kind of the opposite direction they are trying to go here.
If you want to watch a Disney movie with actually strong women, go watch Atlantis the Lost Empire. Literally every female character is great in her own right and the movie is just awesome.
Yeah back then when people wrote stories that happen to have strong female leads in it...not like nowadays where they write stories that only focus is havin a female lead
If you want a Disney movie with strong women... just watch the ANIMATED ones! Really, pick one! Even Cinderella kept her positive mindset in a life of mental abuse and tried to escape when her stepmother locked her up in a room. And that was made in the '50, damn it. The modern disney women all seem fake. There's no journey, no emotion. The live action reboots are not even worth watching at this point.
@@enry2337 well, i dont watch a lot of disney, firstly because im not the target audience and secondly because i find the company and what it represents horrible, outside of specific movies
@@sztallone415 The fact that you're not the target of disney entertainment doesn't mean much, trust me. Their animated movies are mostly wonderful, at least before the cgi transition, and adults can easily find things to like in them (the imagination, artistry, subtext, and so on). I guess you already know that, since you recommended the underrated Atlantis. Modern disney on the other hand... yeah, I don't support them. But really, it all comes down to how disney degenerated, becoming a multinational monster who feeds out of our nostalgia to sell forgettable and questionable interpretation of their good entertainment.
It's called getting complacent or too big for one's boots. Workplaces are full of people who think they are so smart only to end their careers over something so small.
@@pangare655 Yet another defender of this movie. Look, if you like it, pop off. But the point of this film is to attempt to redeem an unredeemable character.
@@pangare655 its not a remake its a prequel. she may not kill a single puppy here but she does attempt to kill puppies in the future, foreshadowed by the dalmatians in this movie.
I cant wait to see what heights they lift this woman up to cause just remember, no matter how smart and cunning they make this character out to be, she was outsmarted by a bunch of dogs.
It will be over when they'll stop making money with them. But don't worry, even if they keep profiting, remember: time is inescapable. Years will pass, until one day those live action reboots are considered in the same way we consider blackface today: pointless, stupid and embarrassing.
Either this means that all the Drinkers reviews are "X is as stunning as it is brave" Or all film makers insert an "X character that is stunning and brave" After years of this shit my brain has been smoothed, and has found more purpose by becoming scrambled eggs.
Yeah she’s a simple character to get you don’t need a whole movie to explain why she acts when it was in the original, also really Disney making the women who wants to skin puppies for her own gain? You want to make that sympathetic? No wounded Disney because your the same! (Sorry for the rant)
I'm calling it now. Ursula from the little mermaid is going to be the portrayal of " fat shaming " . Shell be about men not finding her attractive, father figure was abusive..... you get where this is going.
Oh they're for sure gonna make Ursula into some kinda tragic villain or some kinda crap. I have no problem with tragic villains, but from Disney? Yeah no. And as often as they've tried it's just another trope Disney has done to death.
Life deals you a shitty hand in life. But it's what you do in spite of that hand that determines who you are. Look up people like David Goggins, an obese, timid black man with an abusive father who became a Navy Seal because he looked up to Rocky. There's a reason stories like David Goggins resonate through history and not stories like Ted Bundy. People like stories of others overcoming the odds. Tragic downfalls are not people to aspire to, regardless of how sympathetic you make them. They're usually a warning and something to avoid.
Usually, when writers try to make the villain sympathetic, they go for the sad backstory kind of deal to, if not make us sympathise with the villain, at least understand them. There isn't really a justification for vanity at the cost of killing puppies. Not one which isn't just incredibly forced. "At 1 day old my whole family was killed by dogs, then at 2 days, a dog shat in my face, etc etc".
Me: probably oppressed by 'the evil patriarchy' coz discrimination based on sex like women's quota's wasn't a thing for the past....I don't know 4 decades? Now she's free of the oppressive privileged white man and it's time to be a woman and 'hear her Roar!" but all the rest of the world hears is "I'm a woman, hear me REE!".... on twitter.... from my iPhone or Macbook and an overly priced Starbucks coffee.... complaining about capitalism....
Watch Disney Channel's Descendants. That does a great job of building up female _and_ male characters with depth and flaws who start out as villains but learn to be heroes, but also does not have them begin as too irredeemable for us to root for them anyway. It also finds a rare good way to update classic animated Disney fairytales for modern audiences, by showing us why being good and evil are much more complicated than the way classic Disney films initially depicted it by showing Mal's struggle between both sides of morality.
fr this is what i disliked about the movie. you can literally see her lowkey manipulate and control the other two guys just so she can get her revenge going (kinda selfish) and i thought that the conflict would be unfolded more in depth but it just kinda ended with the dude saying "ok ill do this shit again bc we're friends yay"
"Poison them, drown them, bash them on the head...I don't care how you kill the little beasts, but do it, and do it now!" Misunderstood antihero material right there.
@@leighbelk769 Her mother was a janitor who got locked in the fire station kennel for a long weekend and when they came back on Tuesday there was just a pack of blood soaked dalmatians gnawing on her bones
@@MrZebub I don't think so, 'bashing' is done with a blunt object such as a club. Bashing on the head would kill them by shattering their skulls and the fur would remain intact. Hunters try not to damage the pelt in anyway (such as shooting arrows into the animal) because it decreases the furs value. So bashing is the most effect way to kill without damaging the pelt
My reaction to this movie's existence was one single word: Why? Cruella DeVil is not just a one-dimensional villain, she is the quintessential one-dimensional villain. She was written to be one-dimensional specifically because 101 Dalmatians is a story that is told from the dogs' point of view. She has literally the same role as a stereotypical cartoon dog catcher except better, specifically because she is definitively evil (holy crap, that lousy 90s live action remake at least got that part right). The movie's existence is also proof that nobody at Disney actually believes in feminism, and is just using it as a cheap marketing ploy. Because nobody who actually does believe that "I am woman, hear me roar" is such a bestest ever slogan would want to tell you that the woman chanting it turns out to be a puppy murderer. This movie has no reason to exist, its underlying concept is so extraordinarily terrible that the actual presentation of the film is irrelevant. But the presentation of the film is probably awful too, considering Disney's live action remake track record.
I was about to go into my usual rant about how, if a character were truly one-dimensional, you wouldn't be able to see them. Bad characters are two-dimensional, good characters are three-dimensional. But Cruella is so skinny, you're just about right.
Considering the feminist movement kicked off with "Let's blow up buildings and kill people to get privileges we haven't earned and won't take the same responsibility as the men," I'd say that at least is in keeping.
@@viddork That's probably why they gave her that insanely huge fur coat, easier to see her on-screen. It's even a more noticeable color than the black dress she wears under it! I'm going along with your joke, just to be clear.
Exactly! What I liked about the 90s live-action remake were (1) Hugh Laurie and Mark Williams as the henchmen and (2) Glenn Close as an unashamedly pantomime villainess. Kids sometimes want to watch an uncomplicated pantomime villain(ess) and idiotic pantomime henchmen.
Nobody thought about the actual character. Some director or VP somewhere said "looks like 'chick villains with multicolor hair' movies are trending. Do we have one? Write a story around her!"
I swear to god, if the Twitter mob is unironically gonna go YAS QUEEN for a sociopath who wanted to skin puppies alive for her wardrobe, I’m gonna eat an actual fridge.
A coat out of PUPPIES And they'll try to make her sympathetic ?!? I can see the animals rights activists marching on the streets with signs that say #BOYCOTTCRUELLA... What's next ,Mother Gothel was a good mother to Rapunzel ...? Ursula as a fair leader ? The evil queen from Snow White with confidence issues ? The misunderstood Queen of Hearts from Alice in wonderland...? oh wait ...
She is a strong independent woman who don't need no man. Unless it's a henchman. Who she orders around. Because you know, women need their rolemodels too.
- Her name is literally a combination of the words "Cruel" and "Evil/Devil" - Wanted to collect/murder innocent puppies to make new fur coats/handbags - Kidnapped 101 puppies There's no possible way you make a character like that a "misunderstood tragic anti-hero." There's nothing to misunderstand about her; she's pure evil with 0 redeeming qualities. She was written and designed so that children upon looking at her knew she was bad.
Disney once built up childhoods and now they're hell-bent on destroying children's childhood AND the "Disney of old" cherished memories in every adult. I wish they would seriously stop. I know money is lovely but they'd make even more if they stopped being so preachy and demonizing everyone and focused on entertainment everyone can love.
Jesus y’all are fuckin dramatic. They aren’t the devil they’re just lazy capitalists who are GASP working smarter not harder. I’m sorry but if Disney nut case fans will literally throw money at them for any reason, why not lazily take classic films and bastardize them and half assidly update the story for the woke scene? If you could make billions for taking the easy way out you would too. Why the fuck would they take risks? Give me one good reason lol.
Personally, I blame all of this “poor, misunderstood storybook villain” stuff on Wicked. The book made money, and then the play made a lot of money, and then everybody in Hollywood wanted a piece of the action. Disney just happened to already have a giant steaming pile of IP they could use as grist for the mill.
That makes a lot of sense expect for the part that Wicked came out like 20 years ago. Not saying you’re wrong, I’m saying Disney is so behind in the race they actually think they’re ahead 🤦🏽♂️
@@Mr_Bones. it's the generation who grew up idolizing Wicked as progressive that are now in charge of media, of course they're going to apply that sort of fanfic tragic villain rewrite nonsense to Disney staples once they get into power.
The moment she said " i am woman here me roar," I just knew this going to be a major box-office flop. Disney keeps digging there grave deeper and deeper
@@my_name_is_desh727 I am really getting to the assumption that someone in the higher ranks wants Disney to dismantle itself, because I can't believe that they don't see that this forumla is a straight ticket to damnation for them.
I second that as well, but you won't get evil from Disney. You especially won't get an evil woman from Disney. Got to remember that Disney doesn't believe evil exists. Personally I think they should go look in a mirror.
Here’s an idea: give the villains their own movies, BUT KEEP THEM AS VILLAINS. Not all protagonists have to be good people. Hell, I would kill to see a movie about a villain that just loves being evil and doesn’t give a damn about anything or anyone. And no: please no sob stories.
Honestly maybe you could make a lex Luther movie like this, you could have a fake out where his parents die in a car crash but then reveal that he cut their brakes. (This is canon)
In show Once Upon a Time, there was an episode on Cruella's backstory and I felt like it worked because they mislead you that Cruella had a terrible life and her mom mistreats her. But it reveals that Cruella was crazy the whole time and I think She killed her mom and her dogs. I felt that's the only right way to write her origin story. If the writers are going the Maleficent route, then that's just the road to failure
Ah I used to watch once upon a time but then the plot got so detailed and my tiny brain couldn’t handle it. I don’t know how people manage to remember all these character arcs. Also Emma became more and more insufferable with each episode. I really wana go back and pick up where I left off.. is that a terrible idea?..
This reminds me of when back in the day, my kinda fucked up English teacher wanted us to write a story on a villain character, except in the genre of mentally deranged, cannibalistic, homicidal, or some sorta other dark area. It definitely wasn't my sorta writing area but I gave it a shot. Later, the teacher wanted us to give a backstory to their horrific identity, be able to see where they were coming from, almost sympathise for them... but considering I chose to do a cannibal... it wasn't great. It was an absolutely disgusting story that I would never want to do anything like again. It kinda reminded me of this because Disney is trying to make the audience feel sympathy for a character who was intended to be despised and showed the upmost disgust towards. Disney has really gotten a lot worse in the past decade.
Just go the Jeffery Dahmer route according to Bill Burr for sympathetic cannibal backstory. " Somebody shoved a tuna sandwich up my ass, and now I mistake people for food!😥"
At least with cannibalism, you could argue that it started as a necessity that grew into more as the character lost their humanity to their cannibalism. You have something there, rather than character who wants to skin puppies
@@lordhellstrande7188 Yeah I think I ended up going down that route, think I had a plane crash, stuck on a desolate island, two survived, one rescued, but then got a taste for it and continued it or something. Even then there's little sympathy you can have for a character like that, but yeah you're right, Cruella is probably even less sympathy cuz she doesn't even do it as a necessity, she just wants a fur coat for a laugh.
@@reptosaurus6638 "I'm sure the Chinese market is cool with killing and skinning 101 Dalmations. So why should we care about different cultures?" Said a Disney Exec.
Don't you just love it when companies get woke? "Yeah let's portray a lady who's main goal is to skin puppies for fashion, as a heroine and feminist icon". Really Disney?
Not only that, but this whole trailer is just a blatant ripoff of "Joker," because that was the first rated R movie to earn a billion dollars, and Disney just wants to create a discount flaccid version of that.
In China, it is the state that rules everything. They ensure they do brilliantly at trade, they ensure corporatist oligarchs don't gain too much power (like breaking up Jack Ma's business when he took it upon himself to criticise state economical policy - f u, you're a business owner, not the country's leader, stfu) and are establishing a system where people are getting richer while the state doesn't dissipate. The opposite of the west, where there is increasingly smaller tax revenue to the point where health services can't manage nastier respitory infections, unelected oligarchs dictate state policy and are in charge of all major political parties, making all elections a sham at best. China does do nasty stuff, only to be expected from a place where state is top dog, but at least they're not pu***fying men and turning them into pathetic latte-drinking corposlaves. I'm starting to gain more respect for them than for the west, which at this point, is in its final groans of degeneracy
C'mon man, it's just part of their culture to be racists yellow supremacists that have ethnic cleansing camps, and we should respect them for it, not hold them accountable for their actions.
There was a time when Disney was a by-word for quality. Meticulous hand drawn animation, ground breaking innovation and amazing creativity. Now it is a money worshipping sewer. Everything it touches turns into the brown stuff. RIP.
But those were utter failures from the beginning. Wanda Maximoff and Black Widow are very popular cause they were written better. And are powerful without necessarily starting to feel cringy and boring 2 dimensional characters
Female hero: "Who am I? Oh, wait, I know who I am - I am awesome." Female villain: "I am not evil - just tragically misunderstood. Feel bad for me, as I do evil things." Female audience members: 🙄 🥱 😴
@@atomicdancer true, but those mentioned above are the worst examples. Captain marvel is one of the most hated marvel characters. There are popular female heroes that work out perfectly. And it's many of them. But those that try to be forced are bad: e.g. Captain Marvel, or the female assembly in Endgame. On the other hand, more subtle powerful female characters and scenes are popular: e.g. Infinity war scene with Wanda, Nat and Okoye, or generally characters like those I just mentioned and many more
@@freebrandyornot I’ll defend Captain Marvel to a degree. She was always an asshole, he source material is that she’s a cocky pilot. I never liked her, in any comic or animation. So maybe it was her original writers who fucked her up in the first place
@@kosiqueensly4506 But usually, if you have a cocky character, they have some human flaws that are used to balance it out. Or the other surrounding characters take constant digs and jabs at the character's cockiness. The Flash, in particular, is a great example of this. A cocky young guy who can move really fast. Smart dude to boot. But to balance it out, you have his anxiety and lack of confidence (at certain times), along with most other super characters making him the butt of the joke. So he becomes likable. Cap Marvel... has none of that.
And the "tragic" death of one "brave hero" who inspired this "peaceful" protest definitelly wasn't the result of a drug abusing criminal with health issues resisting arrest. No, sir!
Well, if thousands of people show up and are being peaceful, but a couple dozen cause property damage-it was a mostly peaceful protest. Is nuance too much for you? Everything gotta be boiled down to be understood?
Are you kidding? The Joker could easily do that. He might even do that because in his twisted mind, that would be a way of buttering up catwoman for a collaboration.
Mouseshwitz is not a family friendly or remotely positive company I am elated everyone is seeing it so clearly 😀 since I first saw Fox and the Hound at the theater I have not been a fan followed up with Bambi yikes.
the writing is super dumbed down so that an international audience with bad english skills can understand the dialogue therefore generating more money for disney to throw into their money pit
I saw this movie and the whole time in my head "This woman is going to kill puppies!". I thought it was good, decently written and very well acted. I like the one car chase. But when it was over, I didn't know how I was meant to feel let alone how I felt. To further complicate matters they tried to tie it in to the 101 Dalmatians storyline. I think they made it seem like Pongo and Purdy were gifts from Cruella which made NO F***ING SENSE whatsoever. And they made the decision to change Roger and Anita's racial profile. The made Roger a scumbag lawyer who get's fired by Baroness Von Mayonnaise. I didn't even know it was the same Roger until they showed him writing the Cruella DeVil song at the end. Which made NO f***ing sense because it was right after she gifted him Pongo. Imagine if when John Wick after receiving a puppy in the mail writes a song about how much his dead wife was a b*tch. That would have been an entirely different vibe for that movie.
@@TRUMP_WAS_RIGHT_ABOUT_EVRYTHNG They didn't. They tried to just gloss over thee fact that in a few years this woman was going to kidnap and mrder dogs. They just expect us to forget what Cruella stands for as a villain. She's going to slaughter people's dogs to make coats. We know this. Unless this is an entirely alternate time line. That is never clear.
I wonder if Disney is actually laundering money at this point. it's one weird movie after another, very high-budget ones, no less... I don't know if they're doing it on purpose or what
Why are they trying to redeem Cruella? She's literally trying to skin puppies, I'm not sympathising with that! Edit: To everyone in the comments wondering about the redemption arc, according to me, from the looks of the trailer, they're setting Cruella up to be a not like other girls designer who had to suffer because she was "unique" and "different" (in the movie's words, "a little mad".) Now, framing Cruella as some misunderstood anti-hero is terrible because she's a VILLAIN. She wants to skin dogs because she wants to, not because the cruel world forced her to! And that's what makes her infinitely creepier and more evil, not whatever the trailer is portraying it to be. She cannot be turned into some woman others should look up to, or someone who is redeemable because she is evil. It was more powerful not knowing why she wanted to skin dogs because it makes you realise how truly scary some people may be. No one who I know is wondering "why does Cruella want to skin all those dogs" and expecting this Rise To Evil Because Society Sucks™ narrative. If I wanted to watch society corrupt a villain I'd just watch Joker instead because the Joker is still a bad guy, just in a different light. Not to mention, a popular comic book villain with multiple storylines is very different to a Disney villain. Disney has potential to provide a brilliant Cruella backstory, which could still show her to be a terrible person and get the point across, but to show her as a "lesser evil" would be rather disappointing. I could be wrong but that's my take on this.
Disney attempts to humanize a character that endorses the torture and death of animals, including puppies, for their skin. Christ, PETA is going to have a* field day with this one.
@basic user, you make a rationale point (and the concept of who is right/wrong is often written by the winner). The problem is that Cruella is not a sympathetic character. She is character that desires the murder of innocent creatures). We can understand how she becomes this character, but it doesn't change that she wants to kill puppies (and weird that Disney chose this character to humanize).
Nah; PeTA would rather pick on Mario, whose violence towards animals (except Yoshi) was usually justified (as the bulk of Mario's targets are sapient animals (Donkey Kong, Bowser & the Koopa Troop) kidnapping a loved one (his brother Luigi, his first girlfriend Pauline) or his country's HEAD OF STATE (Peach). Worse, the act of "violence" that PeTA protested against *didn't even happen*, as Mario derived his Tanooki fur suit from a ?-Block in SMB3, or from a leaf in 3D Land. As to Cruella, if we had to be twisted and justify her actions: she wanted an exotic yet ecologically-sustainable fur coat (as dogs are of Least Concern re: endangered species). PeTA, being for animal RIGHTS--not animal welfare--would only object to Cruella using the puppies' skin for her coat: b/c killing the puppies would liberate them from being "pets". (PeTA kills animals, you see.) I can only hope that Cruella (this movie) and PeTA destroy each other.
*What Disney thinks we want:* showing us a dog-murdering megalomaniac is actually the victim of the story *What we want:* John Wick finds out it's Cruella who killed his dog
@Christopher Heskett Did you not see his video? Yes, we would appreciated nuanced villains. But don't joke yourself, this movie is a cash grab, AND you're telling that side of the story after the time it should've been told (within the original story). I LOVED the original movie, but why not make something new with those qualities?
@Christopher Heskett We bitch about feminism because it is a perspective that has been beaten into us since we were small children. It is old, worn out, annoying as hell and we are tired of looking at it. It is time to move on to something fresh and new, and less toxic.
@Drip Shameless A John Wick vs Cruella de Vil movie would be awesome. Cruella is out of prison and is determined to have her puppy skin coat. One of the dogs she kiddnapps belongs to John Wick. Now John must battle Cruella and her army of henchmen to save not only his dog but 98 other puppies. I don't just want to see this movie, I want to make this movie.
She should look into work under some Old Timey Good Directors or in World Cinema rather than trying to get work from Hollywood. Disney has shown time and time again that they have some ridiculous power behind the scenes in Hollywood and they are not above petty politics.
The thing is: you can't just do this “oh, the villain of the original was actually a misunderstood anti-hero” schtick with Cruella because... you know, she's a crazy dog murderer.
Exactly. There is no feeling sympathy for her. And she doesn't WANT sympathy. The very idea of torturing small animals makes this woman ecstatic. That is NOT really tragic villain material.
@@randomcenturion7264 I cannot see her growing old and becoming a misunderstood cat lady. Unless she makes cat coats; that I couldn't understand, but it would be in keeping with her personality.
Yeah the whole time I’d be watching this movie I’d be like “but she’s gonna grow old and try to kill 100 puppies for a coat so I don’t really feel bad for her”
I honestly haven't been not pissed off with anything Disney does for at least 2 years now. It is nothing but greed, hypocrisy, spite and stupidity nowadays.
Disney: We realized that we identify with the villains more than the heroes, and would like it if people thought they weren't just cool, but actually the good guys all along and that all the old heroes they fought against were actually just mean and narrow-minded and stupid. Me: *vomit noises*
She's supposed to represent those old ultra rich snoody types that do anything for money no matter how unethical it is, like how Mr Burns is in the Simpsons
She goes against what her character literally is in the original movies. Shes literally all for establishment and money. Her whole reason she hates the family with Dalmations is because they wont just do what she says and take her money... also how am I supposed to feel about the family?
Kinda interesting how Disney, still a struggling studio in 1960s when original Cruella was written, is in 2021 all the establishment and all the money and suddenly feels the need to make apologies for this upper 1% wealth flaunting puppy murderer instead of doubling down on her despicableness. Or so I assume. I have not seen and will not see this movie. I'll wait for the reviews. I reckon we're supposed to feel about the honorable, sweet dog and human family in the original movie the same way all those currently in power care for working men and women: forget they ever existed.
Perhaps it is supposed to be based on the way she views things and why she becomes that way. The idea is not a bad one if done properly but it can go terribly wrong.
The only Disney antagonist that I cant think of who could realistically be remade as a tragic antihero would be Gaston from Beauty and the Beast, but Disney would never do that as he is a textbook example of classical masculinity. Edit: Hades would work well as well, given he’s the only God in Greek mythology who wasn’t a terrible rapist POS.
I was just thinking that! He could have been raised in a household that conditioned him to think showing emotions or crying is weak. You could give him a billy Hargrove type backstory (stranger things) once he started getting recognition for being big and tough it would solidify all he’d been taught. After a while it would totally develop into self destructive narcissism and a need to be the best or ideal. (It’s actually shown how insecure he gets when he realizes belle loves the beast. It’s a person who didn’t praise him for his body and wits and he lashes out because it’s someone he sees as being better then him.) (Also hades really got the short end of the stick being older then Zeus and maybe Poseidon yet getting stuck with the underworld.)
About the narcissistic Gaston... yeah, he couldn't ever be redeemed because he's masculine, unless his masculinity was to be somehow reduced to a bumbling immature fool or an obedient lapdog under the pink leash of some "empowered" princess.
er what? Look, i know Disney is tone deaf on a lot of shit, but your take is just as much. Nothing wrong with trans folks or being trans or having a "yeeyee" haircut, (whatever the fuck that is). Just chalk this movie up to Disney fucking around with extra money and move on.
The most depressing part is that there are still SO MANY fairytales that Disney could make original films/animations for. Brothers Grimm have recorded dozens of stories that are rife with creative content - there's literally a German production of said stories with every episode getting its own fairytale. And there's more stories from Christian Andersen than just Little Mermaid or Christmas Carol (I am ignoring Frozen btw), with The Matchgirl being one of my childhood favourites (though very sad, Disney has made nicer adjustments to old stories before). And then there's the entire Slavic world and their stories. You could even introduce new princesses, like Princess and the Pea (a story about a lone princess seeking shelter in some village and a bunch of people giving her tests because they could not believe she was a real princess). I thought Disney employees were supposed to like fairytales, so how the hell did they run out of ideas already? Cruella De Vil does not need a movie. It's confusing kids about evil and making it "cool" and "relatable". Why.
This might just be signs of desperation from a cornered company. Disney no longer captures the mind and soul of everyone and every new release are no longer met with international excitement. Everyone's kinda bored of them, their lack of originality be damned. Them constantly calling back to better times is just like a wrestler trying to re-live their glory days, the metaphor used in this very video. The fact that everyone's slowly realizing that disney's become a massive monopoly isn't helping their case.
@@kincaidolsson6319 Call me a dreamer, but there's a Renaissance after every Dark Age, as there is a Dark Age after every Golden Age. I'm just saying there is still a lot of material they can work with, or anyone willing to replace Disney.
I’d love to see a Slavic story with Baba Yaga as either the villain, an antihero or the hero as she has been portrayed in many versions. In any case, I just wanna see an old lady with her chicken legged house. Is that too much to ask??
Disney already announced that they were done making "princess" movies as it would blah, blah, something about being a bad standard for girls, blah, blah woke reverse-think nonsense. Sorry I can't paraphrase them better, I really wasn't paying attention anymore at that point.
This movie began development in 2013, at the time they were trying to set up a scenario where Cruella Deville could run for president so they were trying to make her more likeable. Trouble is she got the nomination too early and ran in 2016 before the movie was ready.
Fun fact : In the 1956 book the animated movie was based on , Cruella has also murdered her cat's kittens ( multiple times ) by drowning them because her cat got pregnant from a stray cat ... The perfect character to root for lmao
It has nothing to do with puppies...until the sequel. Even from the trailer I can easily tell the dalmatians are nothing more just fan service. *Hint:* She's not "old" enough
Maybe they can "dredge up" Ursula and Morgana, and play their younger selves off as competitors in a singing competition, like "Under-the-Sea's Got Talent, hosted by Sebastian"?
Regarding making Cruella into a positive role model: “They spent so much time wondering if they could, they didn’t stop to think if they should.” Edit: "Role model" is stretching a bit far. They're trying to make Cruella sympathetic, as Drinker pointed out, exactly like they tried with making Harley Quinn an antihero. Neither of them are either of these things. Cruella is a vapid, soulless monster and Harley has had her mind twisted by the Joker into an uncaring slave.
Nothing screams "ROLE MODEL MATERIAL!" like a woman who had a really disturbing desire to skin any animal she saw remotely colorful or stylish for clothing. Specifically innocent young puppies.
I actually want her to be evil... Cruella wanted to Skin 101 dogs to make a coat... who the hell cares about her being an antihero? Just make her the bad guy and, call it a day.
There's not a damned thing wrong with making a movie centered around, or from the perspective of, the villain. Joker was amazing. You could do that with a lot of the classic Disney villains. Captain Hook, Jaffar, Ursula, Scar, even Cruella. Show just how nasty they can be so that we feel a justifiable revulsion in their behavior so we can feel good about our own.
@@Craxin01 But then they would have to make a movie about a Wahman being bad. They can't do that. That would be sexists. Unless it's Gina. Fuck that woman am I right Disney?
They went so deep into THE MESSAGE that they thought even a woman who wants to skin puppies into a coat deserves to be shown to not be that bad after all. Everything that women do is justified, didn't you know.
"What pisses me off about modern Disney?" You can add justify animal abuse. Cause a woman who wants to skin puppies to make a coat out of them is redeemable in anyway and has a tragic backstory that makes you sympathize with her. F**k off film.
To all people planing on spending whatever money on a Disney + subscription I encouraged them to get a dog instead. They'll bring you more happiness and teachings that the shitty Disney remakes.
@@luismarioguerrerosanchez4747 I second that. Better yet, consider rescue, save one of these poor creatures from the abuse and neglect that we are supposed to ignore watching this movie
Jesus Christ they’re trying to make Cruella sympathetic now? She literally wants to skin dogs into fur coats. There’s no coming back from that. What the fuck Disney?
It looked like that from the teaser trailer, but from the actual trailer that just got released its clear its a villain backstory, sort of like the joker etc. they're not trying to make her good, just showing how she got to the psycho she is lol
"Like going back to ta test paper after the exam is already over, and adding completely new answers to questions that were never asked in the first place" - brilliant!
I blame 2014. Everything I've observed seems to point to that year as the beginning of the awfulness. The Oscars so white hashtag was the signal to start setting everything in the entertainment industry on fire in favor of politics and "representation". There were rumblings before but something broke in 2014 and we still haven't figured out what broke to even fix it.
At one level they want to be all about making money. On another level they then give creative control to a bunch of wierd man-hating feminists with an obvious agenda and all the sublety of a wet fish to the face who want to use entertainment to manipulate society.
So we're all supposed to love Cruella...the same woman that tried to kill Pongo 's and Perdita's puppies. Got it. Because she's a brave, misunderstood woman in a man's world. Ok, Disney 👌