i have friends that play valorant and i played some games with them still think cs 2 is a way better game with better skins just because you kniw something about a game doesnt mean you have to like it
i played both game and of course i know both, why not. i even play Dota and LOL, even Mobile Legend. it is wrong to play 2 games that similiar each other?
i have never seen a valorant player talk about cs i think its just becuse cs players see how their game is falling and are mad at valorant for still being a thing keep in mind i play cs and valo just less cs due to obvious reasons lmao
@@callmenik1298 You probably in bubble. there's bubbls for both casses. like there some cs content crators talking about valorant obviously for views, and theirs also valorant content creators who defenatly talk about CS. But maybe it's lower than the cs creators. it's just all for views and people dont really care about which is better, they just play the one which they like or both. it's just some loud salty chatters who compare both game all the time.
@@callmenik1298i remember I was asking val players about their opinion on cs2, they didn't even know that cs2 was out(after trailer being released like 8 month before I was asking), so yeah, cs players know "everything" about val, while val players don't even know which version of cs people are playing
Obviously if u say it like that its stupid. But u can never compare a creator with non creators. He’s basically investing for his „job“ cuz he’s always making more money at the end of the day from spending so much on cases yk?
Wait till Valorant introduces cases, in CS you buy a permanent skin as investment, I myself had bought character skins for the T side and it's value actually tripled. So now I can sell it and buy more games, can you do that in Valorant? You getting robbed cuh
@@sirgg3847I think shroud put it best. Mechanically CS is harder, with the set spray pattern (not sure if this is true for CS2 anymore, iirc its randomized now), faster movement speed. Valve movement are slow, and the shooting is just angle holding simulator. Strat wise Valo is harder, with agents constantly getting buffed, nerfed, and new agents introduced. Different comps to counter different agents. While CS is the same old lineups.
14:00 that's partially why they want you to get to level 20 before playing competitive since by then you will have learned enough to at least understand what abilities do.
@@atinybruh if they were doing that and they were silver in an iron lobby their mmr was really low and riot thinks they don't deserve silver did they'll gain barely anything from wins and lose a ton from losses. They could have also been a smurf trying to derank their account.
I normally play CS only with bots so here’s what my first competitive game was like: Boot in Get yelled at for not clutching a 1v4 on pistol Get TKd They don’t comm for the next 7 rounds They accidentally (or purposefully? Idk) spray me with a Negev They get kicked We lose 13-2 Great I haven’t played comp since… at least bots don’t backseat scream at you for having your crosshair 0.05 meters below head level
Hear me out, to get a good karambit in Valorante I need 45 dollars, to get a good karambit (dream skin is Damascus steel factory new so I will go with that) cost around a grand. I don’t have grand laying around that I can invest into a counter strike skin. So the price checks out because of the convenience.
dont forget if you wanna cash out that grand, there's a high chance that you'll get someone who's gonna scam you, and when you trade it to a 3rd party website, you're gonna lose more than 45 dollars AND do you know what's the worst case it ? and it happened to me ? the 3rd party cannot transfer the money to me because of where i live, ended up buying skins on that website again with the credits i have (which lost me money), and sold those on the market (which lost me even more money) for some games
Yeah, and if I want just some lead shooting skins I could get a whole subjectively good looking loadout for a price of a single valorant skin. Noone cares about knives except collectors and brain-dead 14 year olds
one thing that might be good to remember is most people dont know of ways to get real money back for CS skins - they think once you buy a knife that money is stuck on steam anyway.
also in CS - I WANT A SKIN, AND I CANNOT BUY IT, I don't have $500 for a knife, but would spend $30 to have it in my inventory forever, because I fucking like it so I don't want to sell it!
@@Bart_Oss yes but the argument is still there. Cs you can get the money back = you don't waste the money if you for some reason stop playing nd valorant just sucks it up and its gone
that's literally how it works in most of the game with micro transactions. you literally spend your money and it's gone for the item you bought. I'm as well not feeling like saving up 130 dollars to afford the shittiest knife in csgo, rather spend it on valorant@@Smolkoi
Even though I am a CS player and hate Valorant, I will take the Valorant defense about skins. I don't trade skins, most people don't trade skins, you value those skins because you are used to it but for people who are not coming to the game to bother about resale value, outside marketplaces and all that shit outside the game, CS skins has no more value that valorant, and are even less valuable as cheap skins are often uninspired in CS, so even though you can't resale in Valorant, the average CS2 player also don't want to and it's a hindrance to have to bet on the resale value to justify a good looking CS2 skin.
I played cs go from 2019 to 2022, then for a while i went away because i couldnt keep a fast connection to play online games (was not at home). So i sold my skins on steam and bought myself some single player games. At the end of the day, if someone is leaving cs, they can cash out either through steam or get real money back while valorant skins will be stuck in account forever.
I think Valorant have superior skins, because they change soo much to the skins that it keep the guns fresh. Visual effects, different audio, new model, kill banner, new inspect, fnishers. In CS, its the same old AK sounds, same old AWP sounds, for 10+ years. Sure it is satisfying, but eating sourdough for 10+ years no matter how filling it is, sometimes youd want baguette too.
same, I have been playing CS since 2015, and I bought only the most ordinary skins, which are about the same as the prices in Valoran. I have never had a knife, as well as expensive things worth more than 50 bucks
you don't have to bet on resale value, pretty much everything only increases in price over time except for freshly dropped collections because the supply is only just being opened. clueless comment is clueless. I'm sure it's a lot to take in if you have no idea though (and scary if you're young) so childish skins like in fortnite are more fun and safe (and cheap) so basically if you're an adult CS is great, if you're a child go have fun in valorant who am i to judge
I made way more money trading CSGO skins than I lost opening cases. Obviously there are lots of people who lose a lot - and I'd prefer if there was no gambling mechanic in the game at all - but that still just wouldn't be possible in Valorant.
@@theguywiththefish7732 look I can get a knife that I really like in Val for $50, or I can get a knife that I'm lukewarm about and settling for in CS for $250, the average player doesn't interact with the market in CS and just wants to have a decent cosmetic that isn't overpriced to high hell.
@@theguywiththefish7732 I just dont understand how someone can make money with buying skins? Like on Steam or on Websites there is atleast a 30% decrease cus steam is taking that money...
Ohne complaining about the valorant skins being overpriced when a knife on csgo can be 500+ only cheaper if its awful looking, you also will not sell that knife unless you hold onto it for an investment considering the prices of knives change all the time you may even loose money, at least for me in valorant if i buy a skin its a fair price for everyone and I'm not tempted to sell or gamble it and be left with no skins (personal take don't flame me too hard i enjoy both games)
I don't get why everyone, when talking about skins in CS, think only about knives. I got a whole loadout in CS for maybe $30 over my first month's of playing, and then maybe another 10 bucks for stickers to make it my own. Sure, a knife would be cool but there's no point in buying one and it's not like I crave it every time I see the default one. Valorant is hands down the more expensive game skinwise (for the average Joe who just wants a few skins for his most played weapons)
@@kolegakolano I understand your point but the average skins on Cs Just look shit. The good ones are Usually around $50+ and to complete a full loadout is Expensive at that point, From playing both games for over 1k hours I get bored of using skins in cs and want to change them all the time but not in valorant, I can use another skin that I have bought for that weapon and go back and forth depending on what I'm feeling for that day, that's just my opinion though.
To clear up some misunderstanding regarding the VALORANT skins The skins have the following rarity tiers that determine its price and quality: Select 875 VP Deluxe 1275 VP Premium 1775 VP Ultra 2475 VP. Select are the most basic skins, most of the time just a Vandal/AK with different color/theme, Deluxe have different gun models like the airplane vandal in the react and variants, Premium is where the actually good skins start having animations ( reload animation, bullet animation, etc), different kill banners ( the circle at the bottom of the screen that appears every time you get a kill ), and sound effects (bullet sound, reload sound, kill sound), and Finishers ( animation once you kill the last enemy ), and lastly Variants ( 4 different themes of colors for the skin you bought ) Ultra's the same as premium but it also has some specialty to it, for example the RGX bundle, when you inspect a knife or Gun the color of the lightning will change, or when you inspect the knife it will do something crazy like a new animation like butterfly knife. the skins in the shop appear randomly each day, and Knife skins price vary even if its from a certain rarity, theres also an Exclusive rarity, which is mostly used for VALORANT collabs or Events in eSports, like every year they drop a new Champions vandal, and that vandal only comes at that year, so theres 2021 Champs, 2022 Champs, and 2023.
also a big downside to that, is that along with VP ( Valorant Points ) the main Valorant Currency you use to buy skins, there's also Radianite, which is used to upgrade Premium/Ultra/Exclusive Skins, unlike VP its obtainable for free, its used to upgrade the skins you bought for example: sound effects require 15 radianite, kill effect 15, variants 10-15 each ( theres 4 variants usually ), its a big big downside if you buy a good amount of skins but don't play enough to get radianite for those.
Ultra and exclusive tier (missing in your list) vary in price. Especially the recent bundles have been more expensive than usually. Also every knife skin is of exclusive tier regardless of quality. Ultra tier is a somewhat dying tier as well since there is little to no difference between ultra and exclusive even though it was originally used for skins with extraordinary design changes compared to the original gun.
In Valorant you can get a really nice loadout with all your favorite skins for 100$. (If you get them in the shop that is) In cs dream skins are not obtainable for 99% of players. Yes you can probably get 90-95% back in cs, but putting in 1k+ in cs skins is not feasible for most
yeah "dream skins" just like any "dream stuff" aren't obtainable for most. That doesn't change the fact that in CS you can get a sensible loadout with any budget, and grow it as the budget grows, mostly paying for the difference (since the skins have resale value). In valorant you either get no skins or any loadout you want since they all cost the same. And if you want to mix it up you can't exchange your old skins rather than spending all over again.
I‘m playing Valorant mainly but I also like CS really much. I have over 400h in Valorant and I‘ve played maybe 2 or 3 times with an e-dater couple and only in competitive. Also in most of the matches there‘s nobody in the team that is toxic to you. Probably like every fourth game one toxic person that you can instantly mute for yourself. In almost every match your team is nice to you in voice chat if you’re nice to them and also in pretty much every game the first message in the all chat is "glhf" and the first response "u2". I understand that the game seems very complicated to everybody if you play it for the first time but after you get the hang out of it, it‘s really not that difficult. Also if you understand and learn the patterns of movement, spray and aiming the game feels so smooth and rewarding because you get so much feedback from the game itself after getting a kill. What I also need to mention is that some of the abilities seem very overpowered but the game is actually very fair in my opinion and there is for nearly every ability a way to counter them for example with good movement, prediction or your own abilities. And yes the skins are overpriced and riot is very greedy but if you only buy the skins you like and you’re able to enjoy playing with them for a long time it is ok to buy them for a high price. By the way this guy that you were reacting to showed only skins that I consider myself as pretty bad. There are also many good skins like the reaver, sovereign or prime collection and many many more.
val player view skins as clothes, we like it we buy it we use it, we don't think we gonna get resell value or some shit. we buy it because we like using it
Playing both CS 2 and Valorant, gotta say, one shouldn't hate the other game because he likes the other more, Each game is unique on it's way, each one it's different realm, each is appealing to different genre of players (specifically age) You can play both, and have fun at both games, can't see why people are doing this big Drama for which is better than which, both games are great wethere you like or dislike the other. People's opinion wont change anything about the game, both are very successful and makes tons of money to their developers.
as dota veteran that started playing cs 6 years ago ill say that lol and valorant abilities are really simple. It could be my 500+ games in steam or my 8k hours in dota but none of them felt original
Its because thats what Riot does best, the company copies from others and casualizes certain mechanics while adding a bit of their own spin to it avoiding copyright, cant wait for that fighting game they are making where it just immediately plagiarizes mechanics from all the games in the same genre whilst attracting the casuls/washout pros with simpler combos & low skill ceiling.
@@whfftagged1504Project L gets pretty deep as said by pros and conmentators so I don't know what you're on about. Also you can't copyright an ability and, newsflash, fighting games have been copying each other for decades and no one cares.
Valorant skins diversity is huge and they actually real skins that changes the gun completely including sound/animations etc and some even have big animation if u make last kill and round finish compared to CSGO skins that are base guns with tattoos on them that also cost much more and no you wont get ur money back from CS 2 skins you bought, you can get it same way as you can sell ur Valorant account and even then nobody will pay u full price for what u invested. Buying skins is not in investment, thats dumb, you buy a skin coz you like it and wanna use it.
thats good for a competitive game when the gun sounds change every match. You very much get your money back from CS skins??? even if you count community market, that goes to your wallet and you buy different game!
@@SmileyFTW360 Just so yk, The sounds of the guns only change to the user of the gun, so there's 0 competitive disadvantage/advantage. And when people buys skins, they want a good skin, something that's cool and they want to USE, not to re sell and turn it into a job.
im guessing you've never played cs before but csgo skin investment is a real thing, if u bought a knife, skins or even fking cases a couple years ago theres almost a guarantee you've doubled your money. you also dont get ur money back the same way as val, you can sell your skin the same way you got it or another, like community market, 3rd party sites or you can trade it...
at 10:09 that isnt even the actual in game currency lmao thats just some free points you get from playing the game which is used for getting more agents and accessories.
ye but that's skill ceiling, not skill floor. You don't need to understand lineups to play the game first time, compared to val where you'll have a negative experience if you don't know what skye dog does etc
@@JofasMessenger Valorant lineups are fucking cringe dawg. Just sit outside the fucking bombsite, bait the whole team and drop a molotov in the last 15 seconds and win. Zero skill, just a bullshit lineup. Smokes are equally shit, just click on the map and boom, you got your smoke. Cringe ass shit, and I am saying this as someone who plays more Valorant than CS nowadays because of rampant cheating problems and unresponsiveness of CS at times.
I had seen some valorant gameplay before playing, so I knew there were abilities and I spent 2-3 hours in the range just trying out all the characters to see what they do
I'm a CS player. Always have been, always will be. When Valorant beta came out I played it a fair bit with my friends. I have to say I enjoyed it, mainly because I could shit on people who've never played an fps game. There weren't that many operators (10?), and the abilities they had felt balanced and not completely out of this world. I stopped playing Valorant before the game fully released, and came back to it a couple years later. Brother, what a shitshow that was for me. So many new things got added (mainly operators with bs, if you ask me, abilities) that I just couldn't stomach it and didn't play a second match. This comes from someone who's also played R6 Siege a lot (>2k hours over 2017-2019 and some on-and-off moments here and there), so I already had experience having a game I liked to play get overwhelmed with content. I don't play Siege, like, at all nowadays. No hate towards Valorant though, it just wasn't for me. It's hard to beat a game as old and as polished as Counter-Strike, which is why I think it is the best fps game ever made and I will always come back to it (if I ever leave it in the first place).
I agree a lot on this i play a lot of val almost from the beginning and it was easy then, not so many characters and ability usage wasn't that crazy too but it's been like a 3 Years since then? nowadays they have so many maps, characters and ppl started to get very crazy with abilities and i can understand how hard it is for a new player now because of all of this.
same, i enjoyed it quite a bit during the beta and early release days, but the fact that they keep adding agents so often just turned it into a shitshow
WoW, LoL, Dota 2... are suffering from exactly that. People who play them are playing them for years, it's nearly impossible to get into it as a complete newbie. I mean, I can't comment on Dota 2 but there are 124 heros and each of them have 4 abilities. That's 496 spells, not talking about how the game is played and everything else. League has 168 and 4 spells + 1 passive. That's 840 things, some passives have multiple effects so let's round it up to 850 things you need to know. WoW oh baby. Getting into WoW is comparable to getting into f1 racing when you are poor 20 year old from Africa without any connections to anyone involved. WoW is a game about collecting, collecting LITERALLY 500 000 unique things. If you tryhard it you can get like 30/8hr gameplay until you get to about 40% completions, after that you need all the luck in the world because some things people have been farming for A DECADE weekly and still don't have it. There are people with 20k hours and they aren't even close to 85% of completion. WoW was structured on that since the beginning, they HAD to add stuff regulary or the game would die. LoL and Dota fucked themselves up. They make their game thinking they need to add things otherwise it becomes boring and people will leave. But people will move on eventually anyway and who's going to play your game then? kids who got 8hr a day and have to spend 30 hours watching each champion showcase? naurr. both of those games are going inevitably down on player count. Give it 10 years. CS will be still getting higher and higher and those games won't make it to top 15 most played
that's what i felt when i started. "this is some bs" i never played cs tho just the old cs when i was 8. and i rarely had fun in valorant solo queue its mostly stress but gotta lock in for that sweet sweet pixel ranks
the "whole cant get your money back" argument is so dumb, you're paying for the entertainment like you do a movie ticket or any other form of entertainment.
@@keard7811 cosmetics used to be something u earned or modded. they were for letting ppl know ur skill lvl. and it was entertainment when it was modded in people buy skins cos they can't be bothered to earn them. and companies realising they can make bank off of lazy people also banned modding skins. they forced people to buy them ur entertainment ruined the industry
and yes valve pays too much attention to making skins and it led to shady gambling sites. im not saying cs is ethical or non-exploitative for their skin system. but at least i can buy a mansion for a knife
that "gameboy halo" knife kosts 60 euro for the knife only, for the full bundle if you bought it when it first came out is was 119 but now add the 60 because you buy everuthing lose and don't get the free knife bonus from the bundle
I hate how a lot of the comments are "valo living rent free" or some other jabs even though the video was just about an honest comparison between the two games without that rivalry bullshit. It shows that cs lives in valo players' heads rent free as much as the other way around.
The difference between Valorant and CS in Skins is not the bulshit Ohne says, it's because of scarcity. The only way (98% of the time) to get a skin is to unbox it or to unbox a lot of low float stuff and make a trade and with some luck you may get what you want. That means there's a finite ammount of that stuff and even if you have a lot of money to throw away at the screen you may get it just by the chances the game gives you (or may not even get it after spending it all). Some skins and boxes may never appear again, Valve doesn't care; You may offer them a thousand dollars and they won't make an exception for you. Also prices regulate themselves. Even if two items are equally scarce, they may have prices totally different according to demand. It's people who decides what they valorate, be it low floats or dumb patterns. In Valorant there's no such thing as scarcity, they place them in their store and you buy it at the price the developers decide they want to take from you from ugly toy-like skins that you may feel ashamed to pull off. Also the moment you have one, everyone knows you spent money on it, and will get it back (in CS it's not like that, you may have gotten it by pure luck in your first try, exchanged it, scammed someone, bought it when it was low, or you may even be cheating. People will think of it as an investment, you may get your money back whenever you want, you didn't throw it. This is similar to what Ohne said, but different in that it's not what makes skins valuable, but what makes you having one to not look like a loser who just threw money away). In summary, Valorant skins are indeed OVERPRICED because no one but the developer values them like that. if they let the market regulate itself, they wouldn't worth anything. CS Skins CAN'T be overpriced, because it's the market itself (the people) the one which gives them their high price.
I would disagree with the last point "CS Skins CAN'T be overpriced" Mainly because you are confusing rarity and a good looking skin. For example, if you have a super rare skin like 0.01% to get it. But, it looks like dog sh*t. It no matter what, WILL be higher priced than a skin that has a 2% chance to get. So in a sense skins CAN be "overpriced" in CS not because (the people) think its actually a good looking skin but because of its rarity. So people can choose to think the skin is overpriced because the skin looks like dog sh*t. I also disagree with "Valorant skins are indeed OVERPRICED" Because if they actually were overpriced, then NO ONE would buy them. I think you forget that for someone to buy a skin. They HAVE TO value the skin more than the price of it, to justify the purchase of the skin. Now, it may sound like I'm saying two different things, but i'm not. Why? Because Valorant has no cases/chance to get a skin (The skins has NO RARITY). So if a skin looks like dogshit in valorant and it's priced 30 dollars then nobody would buy it. Difference is in CS, some people just buys a skin not because of how it looks but because of how rare it is. Tl:dr so my point is, Skins in CS CAN be "overpriced" not because of people think the skin actaully looks good but because of it's rarity that gave it the "overpriced" value.
When I started valorant, it was overwhelming, but I enjoy learning new things. Whenever I got stuck, there was always a new character to play, new abilities to learn, and new playstyles to take up. That’s why I prefer Val over cs, there’s so much more thinking you have to do. „They have this ult, so we should stack this site“, „they have this flash agent, who plays at this spot, so we should play antiflash.“ Relying on aim makes for some exciting moments in cs, but i much prefer the thinking and gameplan behind valorant plays.
Bro I gotta admit most of your points are SPOT on but as a Valorant player you must know. Half the skins- scratch that most of the skins you were trolling on.. the WHOLE Valorant community DESPISES. Yes we have some of the most dog water, plane gun, disgusting skins ever. But if you were to use some of the other skins and get an ace or something, it is the most satisfying thing ever.
I was hoping for a fair review about gameplay, and everyone is yapping about skins lol, cs fell off in so many ways that your only quality gameplay is gambling, ig
It’s easier when you start at the beginning of the game where there’s nothing crazy added yet and learn as you go rather than jumping in years later overwhelmed by the amount of characters, abilities, skins, etc. it’s the same with league except it’s so much older and has even more characters, abilities, and skins that it feels impossible to learn which is what Valorant is slowly getting to.
The fees for reselling a decent looking knife in CS is the same if not more than the cost of the valorant skins. So honestly they all cost the same amount
