CTR: Nitro Fueled - Character Stats Have Issues... 

. *Please click READ MORE* for info on *Corrections, Stat Lies, Turn/Intermediate Viability,* and *Advanced Mechanics* *Fake Stats:* Here's an interesting blog post. The "fake acceleration stat", while incorrect, may not be as dishonest across the board as I claimed. Haven't tested this myself so I cannot confirm nor deny its validity. (www.deviantart.com/clok-roo/journal/Debunking-the-So-Called-Honest-Stats-of-CTRNF-809760245) This blog is essentially a hypothesis of why the original game's acceleration stat bar visuals makes some form of sense - because the amount of acceleration changes at different speeds. Stats in Nitro Fueled line up very well with CTR99', and the actual stat values of CTR99' were pulled from actual data values using 3rd party tools. Source: (twitter.com/Ctr4everC/status/1117724997701853185?s=19) Again, I haven't tested this and can't confirm that deviantart link at all. *The main mechanical changes in Nitro Fueled that cause different stat balance to CTR '99:* - less momentum out of powerslides - max speed with blue fire is different based on speed value - airbraking doesn't kill reserves - differences in downhill mechanics, less effective speedghosts - froggying (except on slow patches) doesn't help maintain speed - dropping fire causes near instant drops in speed, rather than gradual (this is why u-turn killing reserves in Nitro Fueled would be brutal) - differences in hopping - fire always additive (keep fire whole race) Not saying CTR 99' was objectively better, just explaining things I didn't talk much about in the video. *Viability of turn online:* Due to the large speed difference between having and not having blue fire, keeping fire for long periods will net you a huge lead regardless of stats. But when people with different stats both keep blue fire, the speed character will win by a large margin. Speed is of course a bit more difficult, but not by a lot considering u-turns. CTR Online is quite front-advantaged (talked about this in item balance video, but boils down to back players getting hurt by items and losing fire much more than players ahead). This means that if you are skilled and lucky enough to break away from the black hole of items, holding a lead isn't as difficult as catching up. So essentially all characters can technically be viable on tracks with only one-two blue fire pads (where if you're the only one keeping fire for whatever reason, you are secured victory), and other tracks even without blue fire due to the chaotic nature of online. But even then, the advantage of stats will come into play when there is more than one in the running for victory. A bad stat will set you at a pretty big disadvantage. *Viability of turn on specific tracks:* Turn/all-rounders can be useful on tracks like Cortex Castle. Their low blue fire speed is still a lot better than no blue fire, so consistency can be king if these stats help you maintain fire. But Accel's turning is still good, and u-turns are effective for making up for lower turning even with the speed class. Speed/accel are also still ideal because they're your best bet at escaping the item spam at the start and breaking away. Consistent skilled players get the most bang for their buck if they can hold blue fire with low turn. But Accel is a safer pick and all-rounder/turn can be viable in the case of tough tracks. Thunder Struck follows this trend, but not so much Hot Air Skyway (much simpler turns), Electron Avenue (plentiful blue fire), or non blue-fire tracks. *Corrections on acceleration:* Acceleration isn't that important because getting hit by items and slightly touching walls don't kill your speed a significant amount, you're not going from 0 to 100. Going from 0 to 100 speed (void resets and start line doesn't count since you get fire) is far and few between because very rarely are you fully crashing into walls. As well as this, noone worth their salt is driving from 0 to 100.. they are powersliding

He touched the point, beginner class is not for beginners...

​Honestly, I like that, why would a game that brags about including a ton of characters would do it if the goal is mastering it until you can only use a small portion of them? I wanna race with characters like Pura but they're just so unnefective

To be fair, high-turn characters are by far the most useful in battle mode, so there's that at least.

You're really putting in a lot of effort to just get ignored by Beenox

The most important thing is buffing the weak characters. There is absolutely no reason for it to be this bad!

I love how the beenox solution was, all characters can use speed now

I knew the balanced racers werent balanced at all, they felt too slow for having decent in everything. My poor komodo joe got butchered

Speed will always be the fastest class because you can just U-turn sharp corners. Couldn't agree more about the drifting in a straight line thing though, turning characters need a wider turning range and should be able to snake just as well as speed characters. And leaderboards already need a reset considering almost every map had shortcuts that have been patched, or even better they could just review ghost to see if they're legitimate times, if not wipe them.

"I'm not playing around with minors, these are major" That was the best clapback I've ever heard to that.

That "No, you're wrong" part is genius

Crash Team Racing and the Wrath of Bobby Kotick

Pura is my favourite character but his excellent turn just doesn't make up for his lack of speed most of the time :(

ok that turning character wide powerslide angle idea does sound pretty intuitive, if the game got changed like that i might actually play turning for once

Thank you for the explanations, I was wondering why my boy Ripper Roo was not getting me anywhere. :(

Poor Liz. She really suffered from being a Beginner, despite her being one of the coolest characters in the game.

beginner class is unplayable, these characters should be able to turn well, instead they turn in the corner while powersliding which makes the player try to correct the line through corner and sometimes it's not possible to get 3 boosts because of that. their speed is also abysmal

I reeeeeally want that Engine Swap idea because I love Ripper Roo as a character and I really want to be able to play as him decently, he is my favourite Crash boss, too bad he is a turning boy

RIP JcNumbers.

I’ve spent over 800 Hours on both CTR, CNK and Nitro Fueled. Yeah, CTTR is not even worth speaking about, but anyways... In Nitro Fueled, some adjustments are required. If Beenox really wants to take care of the game, major changes must be done, at least in favor of the majority of the fanbase. Many of your ideas are great, and i hope some of those might be a reality someday. Turning Characters, for now, are situational characters for an incredibly small number of tracks (in Deepsea Driving, basically, and maybe Prehistoric Playground), it’s really sad actually... Also, the reason i prefer Acceleration Characters is because there are the best waifus in this category. Megumi is the purest creature on Earth, Tawna is Bae, Coco is great in general... and then, there’s N.Gin, by far the sexiest living thing in the Universe.

Agree with all this. Big issue with every grand prix is lobbies are just so stale. It was Ami/Megumi, now its Baby T/N Tropy. I dont think beginner class is complete trash though, just very situational. For Deep Sea Driving/Tiny Arena/Cortex Castle I win 90% of the time with Pura because so many players go for all out speed not realising an actual race is much harder than a TT due to items being all over the place and the added pressure of competition. Good video though, agree with your improvements. Was shocked about the Balanced class. Never knew they were so slow but I'd always felt it was odd how they drove.

I think one good stat change to balance the game would be tying acceleration to reserve gain. Basically the higher the accel. of the character, the more reserves he will gain from boosting.

It’s frustrating not being able to swap stats. Liz is my favourite character but I can’t use her online as she’s too slow. I have to main with Tiny or Ami for this reason.

I want Beenox to hire you

Polar Bear is one of my favorite characters, I tried really hard to play the first half of the game on medium only using Polar as my character. I really struggled, I never played the original PS1 version, so this was my introduction to the game. I had the worst time trying to learn how to powerful slide. I couldn’t do more than 2 Bursts without slamming into a wall. After struggling for hour in Tiny’s Arena, I finally switched to Dingodile and beat the rest of the game without any difficulty. Despite winning, I was extremely distraught over this. I hate that Game developers make characters that are complete throwaways. Every character should have an equal chance at being the best. Even more frustrating to watch, was the AI Polar Bears in some tracks gaining speed way faster than Dingodile!... Rude. It’s like a slap to the face. Here’s this cute character that’ll never be this good in actual game play.

We should be able to select between the 4 stats to not depend on characters or karts (example: Pura or Polar with speed stats) so we can race with any character with any stats on any kart

Dude, your videos are amazingly informative!

5:08 Crash: *has terrible stats* Crash: Guess I'll yeet myself to space

Translation: *DINGO!! DINGO!! DINGO!!*

Feels good beating everyone online that uses Speed characters and the time trials with good ol' crash

this actually made me sad. Growing up, Ripper Roo was always my favorite character but I just couldn't use him in this game at all...this video finally told me why!

*hears croc 2 music * .... Ok it's decided I'll watch (or make my pc "watch") your channel daily, nostalgia is too powerful with you pal.

I always wondered why Crash feels so crap to race as. I'm not very good at U-Turning, so I usually play as acceleration characters.

Awesome vid and ideas

Mario Kart actually ties its stats both to the veichle and the character

Congratulations for 1K subs!!!

This game needs engine swap so badly it's mindblowing. Also leaderbords resetting is not even an issue since they need to do that anyway for the countless glitches that have been abused and patched later. Amazing video I agree with practically everything you said. Plus the addition of the Spore soundtrack was super cool!

Great job! Thanks!!! ❤️

Thank you! I knew there was something off about the stats!

Wow! Now that's some good research!!

I totally agree with this, as a player that uses beginner characters, especially Pura, the muscle memory isnt 100% for turning, and I find myself having to constantly readjust if I go to powerslide and boost the 3 times, because the kart just gets thrown into turning rather than holder a straighter line than I remember being able to do.

Wow so I have been maining Intermediate characters thinking that they were at least decent only to realize that they’re some of the worst characters in the game. Edit: I just beat hot air skyway’s Nitros Oxide with Fake Crash

“Beginner class is not a good class for beginners” Me a Liz main: I see no gods up here. OTHER THAN ME

Thank you for touching on this as I have only seen a handful of others touch this topic but not a lot of attention is being given to them. This needs to be fixed by the time the next Grand Prix rolls out.

Informative video and has Hurricos music from Spyro 2. Sub

Thanks for doing this video. I thought i was the only one noticing all of this.

I have been playing for some time. And nowhere was it to me introduced that characters have different stats. What I thought was true was that characters don't have any stats at all.

I think a simple solution would be just to buff them to reflect their stats, that alone would fix so many problems, this should be brought to beenox’s attention.

Thank you for takling all the CTR nitro fueled problems!! , I hope they see your videos somehome and fix this stuff...

I'll really hope they'll do Spyro a speed characterinstead of balanced

Immediately subscribed after hearing that Spore soundtrack

I honestly thought it was just me that thought the new game felt a lot easier to play this makes so much sense!!

It doesn't matter, I'm a Pura main for life because he's too cute to pass up.

You deserve more subscribers because this is true.

I knew something was off! Playing Classic roo vs New roo. I do hope they fix the issue. Its hard when you want to play your favorite character and they suck.

Does anyone know what the music is used on the section title cards? It rings a bell but I don't actually know what it is.

Nice use of Twinsanity music on each part.

I agree with adjustments on the 4 different classes but I don’t think the game should be exactly like the original. Some changes were for the better.

I subscribed based off the fact you used twinsanity clips

Yo the twinsanity transitions

I think the Warp Orb is a large reason why online seems to be so unbalanced. No, not because there are 3 of them out at all times. Because this game's equivalent of a Blue Shell, the item meant to take down the person in 1st place... can be outsped completely! You can fire a Warp Orb before lap 2, and the person in 1st will likely finish the race before it even hits them. (Depending on the map.) This coupled with the fact that it hits almost everyone else on the way there means that, even if it hits 1st, everyone that is capable of catching up to them got hit by it too. The only person that benefits from it is in 6th/7th/8th place, and probably isn't good enough to catch up to 1st.

The game needs a lot of fixes, and you've made a lot of good points. Unless you're playing classic, you should be able to tweak the stats of a character. If I want to play Polar, I should have some ability to come in first

I’m still using my Fake Crash

4:27 i love the edit, soo smooth and soo funny lmao

Now apparently you can apply stats of any driver to any character now. Neat.

Woah, I didn’t even notice this despite playing the original. Thanks for this video. If I ever get back into this game, I guess I better stop playing as Crash.

The ending was hilarious

Sooo...can someone contact benox and show them this man’s idea

Great video. The feels when you like Liz or any turn character though :( big sad.

Wow, you actually made the class balancing video? Nice. I totally agree with everything here. I'd love an engine select feature as well, just as long as the other classes can be usable, and I love your idea of changing Turning's drift radius to be straighter. CNK did that, and they were way better there partially because of it. I know Turning's meant as the beginner class, but that's no reason for it to be so lacking overall. And obviously Balanced needs to reflect its displayed stats more than anything, considering how badly it sucks as the generalist class it's clearly intended to be. Now, I don't fully like the idea of having to nerf a class to bring it in line with the others (since it's more fun to buff others than nerf one) but at least you've gone for some reasonable-sounding nerfs that bring the class more in line with the original game, that wouldn't hinder the class too badly if they're played well enough. I'd be fine with these changes across the board.

We dont often see eye to eye, but this is something I notice as well

I haven’t played Spore in years and immediately recognized the space song.

Happy birthday: this video

This explains alot to me.I was thinking was there something wrong with my muscle memory of the previous game or am I just bad.I couldn't feel the same way I use to be drifting in the old CTR and had a feeling something was not right with crash.This explains everything. which was also another reason why I didn't take the game seriously because I felt something was not right.

oh thank god someone made a vid on this , I thought I was wrong but this confirms it

Ok so as a past CTR player back in the good old days i picked up CTR nitro fueled around a month ago, now i really love the game Beenox really outdid themselves but there is alot that needs to be fixed in the game, First thing is the difficulty in controlling the kart when you power slide now back in CTR PS1 days i used Cortex and i was a very good player got full completion on the game and was like a bullet on every track but for some reason with this game when i use Cortex i find it hard at times to control the kart when you power slide also the same for other characters and like pointed in this video they need to fix the attributes for the characters because i feel thats the reason, Next is invisible walls on certain tracks, and then the overall online Which needs a well needed update aswell.

To take shortcuts as well with the turn characters you have to keep a good speed going, whereas with speed characters you can power slide twice and take all of them

Thanks to this video now I know that I should start using Tiger if I want to win some races online

9:24 that was unspected for a non comedy video. I like it

This video aged incredibly

Nice analytical vid!!! Currently playing the original PS1 game on PS3 until I get my hands on a Switch. (Or the PC port if that ever happens....) Picked Pura because he was labeled "beginner," and after finishing most of Adventure Mode, I suddenly feel like Pura's turning and speed is...weird. Fighting for first place seems hard because it never really feels like I gain much speed, despite learning to powerslide almost everywhere. I try to drift into large opening turns and most of the time I wind up sharply bumping into walls, or having to jump and reset my drift....

You show this to beenox so they buff the stats for each character they way they used to play like the original.

Love the hurricos music from Spyro!!!

this makes a lot of sense.

So Crash is a terrible pick >w< I love him as a main character 0/

Why i always think penta penguin is faster than the other who have the same stats... I just feel it

Did you use rayman 3 music? Sounds so much like Land of the livid dead from Rayman 3

Very interesting

If this about the stats is true, most likely this is yet again a quick fix because game is rushed... just like the poor physics and unfortunately huge number of bugs ruining tracks. Can only pray these things are fixed. Also as much as I enjoy U turns using blue fire I honestly would prefer it was revered to the original for the sake of not making all other characters pretty much worthless.

‘My Sims’ music 🎵👌👌

And this is why you only use advanced class with u turns etc...I think it would be nice idea that you could choose the kart type and could use any character with said kart instead of character being locked into specific class.

I wish more people could see this video and share it...

Updated CTR for Halloween event, and the game now has Driving Styles similar to the engine choices in Sonic & Sega All Star Racing Transformed.

I've unlocked N.Tropy and I can't use turn characters at all anymore. When I try to boost drift, I end up ripping right into a wall because the turn is so harsh. I want to be able to use my boy Ripper Roo, so I hope they do something.

It's just.. he has a calming voice with this calming music n all.. but why I gotta keep seeing my mans fall off the skateboard

I really appreciate the rayman 3 a nd twinsanity music

I love how you went on cortex castle to test accel stat as i did on the og with ram adresses years ago lol. Same conclusions too as accell is useless as fuck, my goodness it felt so weird

I fucking knew it. I just fucking knew something was up ever since I got this game from launch date. It didn't make sense to me at all seeing that there's a huge fucking roster and yet they have similar stats to each other. It really didn't make sense to me because usually when this kind of stuff appears it means that the kart customization affects your performance on the track similar to Mario Kart and SASRT, but it didn't. It was all cosmetics. Now this vid comes up and proves my guess. Thank you for releasing this. Thank you. Right now, what they need to do is balance the roster is such a way that any character class could go toe to toe against one another because right now it's obvious that people are relying a lot on the speed class to win. I don't have a general hate towards speed classes because I also use them, but my concern is how other characters are being left in the dark because of how much they put you at a disadvantage thanks to the unbalanced stats. It kills the point of having a huge roster when your eyes are always set to look for speed types just to win. Sad.

RIP CTR RU-vidr

They should make a cartoon skate game with Crash @ Spyro characters!