Just wanted to give a small correction as someone who owns a pool store in America. In the past, the average tip diameter for a basic off-the-shelf pool cue was 13mm. In the past several years there has been a trend towards smaller diameters. Most of our suppliers have changed to a 12.75mm standard, and for higher end cues most players are using a 12mm, give or take. For example, my play cue is 11.8mm carbon fiber, and my break cue is 12.75mm chemically infused maple. (Pechauer Rogue carbon fiber, and Pechauer Black Ice respectively) You'll very rarely see anyone with 14mm these days. Although, I will say, the smallest tip I've ever seen was 9mm, so you all across the pond are playing with much smaller shafts made of Ash instead of hard rock maple.
I would like to say that's because this side of the pond snooker is a much harder game, but I've tried 9 ball and the precision required on position makes it like the difference between America and England, two countries divided by a common language!
@@8BallPool-AMATEUR oh ya snooker is a much harder game, but the strategy of something like 9 or 10-ball has its own intricacies. Most snooker tables we have access to are only 10 foot tables, rather than the full size 12, which also doesn't help.
@@8BallPool-AMATEUR I play snooker frequently at a place in Denver Colorado Felt pool hall yea it’s pretty fun. We also play Golf on the 12 foot snooker with 2 1/4 balls, pretty difficult game.
Tip size/width has nothing to do with how much spin you can impart on the cb. All that matters is how far off center the contact point is when the tip hits the ball, and how fast the cue is moving at contact. If you're getting more spin with a smaller tip, 7mm or whatever, it's simply because the tip is striking the cb lower. You probably aim it better or more accurately when striking the cb. But you could get the same action with a 14mm tip if the tip were to strike the cb in the same place as it does when you use a smaller tip.
I see where you're coming from, however if you can get lower and get more spin that's because the cue tip is, in relation to the size of the ball, able to hit the ball at that lower point whereas the larger tip isn't. Ergo, more spin can be applied with the smaller tip. Thanks for your comment though! :-)
The absolute most english ive seen applied to a cue ball was with a giant tip i wanna say larger than 14, but the old boy had shot pool with it over 40 years, ive always shot with a 13, recently bought a carbon shaft at 12 mm, i noticed right off i was putting way more english to the cue ball than i ever have with a 13, so much so if my stroke was minutely off the cueball went wild missed shot etc.therefore i do believe smaller tip more english can be obtained, but a lifetime of practicing english wirh the larger cue you can apply impressive english, its just easier to obtain with a smaller tip, so i kinda agree with your philosophy as well as his, to a point, even tho ive been at it over 40 years myself, not everyone wants to put an entire lifetime into obtaining something as such, many of the talented pool players ive met arent yet 40 years of age themselves, i really recommend like i do with firearms, use what you are comfortable and knowledgeable with
@@davidstrom597 @davidstrom597 Tip/shaft diameter makes zero difference on the amount of spin applied. It's all in where the tip contacts the cb. Here is the reason you started getting more english after changing to a smaller tip: When aiming away from center cb, we tend to judge the hit/aim on the cb through the center of the shaft/tip, but it's the edges of the tip that actually contact the cb, not the center (stay with me here, I know this obvious...lol). Anyway, when aiming a 12mm shaft to apply max english, the contact point on the cb is actually 0.5mm further away from center cb when compared to shooting the same shot with a 13mm shaft. That extra half millimeter creates more spin. If you were to switch to a 14mm shaft/tip, and aim for max english, the tip would hit the cb about 1mm closer to center when compared to using a 12mm tip. Eventually we figure out how far out to aim on the ball to get the desired english we want or need, regardless of tip size.
For conclusive results, try using very short strokes using just the tip before moving to full shaft strokes. For best results, gather feedback from a knowledgeable playing partner. Results may vary and dissapoint.
I know this is due to the cue and and other factors but I’ve notice with my 3 shaft cue, the lager shaft will throw the cue ball off more then my 8.75 one when using side
Well, in fairness I did find that particular cue in behind my ex missus tv cabinet after she moved out of her house. Never not one to look a gift horse in the mouth me...
I think the difference comes out more on long pots, with smaller tip even lil bit of side will push the white more and make you miss. Hard to tell by close pots
Definitely for sure - this was a spin challenge to see how many revs could be gotten on the ball with each cue, and it was inconclusive mainly because of how well I delivered the stroke in each instance - and in fairness also I'm pretty good at screw shots...
This is literally, the first video. I’ve watched about pool and billiards since I retired from the game 25 years ago. For some reason, I got an itch to start playing again. So while looking trends in equipment, I saw this video. It’s kind of interesting to see that many good players are going to 12 mm tips. I started playing 12 mm tips when Timmy and Bill set me up with 12 mm tip when they built my first Joss way back in the 80’s. Unfortunately, that cue was lost an armed robbery outside of the bowling center where I had been playing one pocket for the previous 13 hours. Fortunately, or unfortunately, depending on how you look at it, they didn’t get any money from me because I had an off day. LMAO , but they still got my freaking cue and sucked.
Michael, is the term 'follow-through' poorly worded way of trying to describe the smooth acceleration of the cue from the apex of the back swing through to impact of the ball? I think (don't have the tools to measure) that regardless of what acceleration of the cue as soon as it impacts the ball the tip imparts that acceleration to the white and the cue infact does decelerate as the white moves away.
Follow through means the impact through the ball upon striking the cue ball. The further you push the cue through where the cue ball is the more spin you will impart upon the ball as you strike it.
English 8ball pool players here in the uk play with tips as small as 6 to 6.5mm I play snooker with a 7.8mm tip and everybody sais its not possible to be a good player with a smaller tip! I made my highest break of 96 with a tip just under 8mm🙄its all down to how well you cue, how consistent your cue action is and how consistent you can keep striking the centre of the cueball to avoid whats called "throw" or "deflection" If you cue even 2mm off centre with a tip below 9.5mm its going to "throw" the cueball with transfers onto the object ball causing the player to miss the shot.
@@8BallPool-AMATEUR just gone back to a 7mm tip after spending almost two seasons with a 10mm tip. The amount of screw and side you can put on the cue ball with a smaller tip is insane. The only downside is if your not cueing dead centre with anything under 9.5 then your going to put unwanted side on a long shot and miss the pot. It's also possible to swerve the cueball by mistake on long shots too which can be a downside ofcourse. I made a few late 40's with the 7mm last night so I'm going to stick with it for the remainder of the season and see how I get on.👍🏼
Walk-in Billiard/Pool Parlars use the larger diameter Ques for Parlor furnished Ques stored in racks a longer the walls. Novice players usually just picks a Que from the wall rack and uses it to both “break” the racked balls and as a regular playing Que. The smaller diameter Que’s ( which I prefer) tips do not last long due to novice players using them to “break” the racked balls. Continually replacing Que tips becomes quite expensive for a Parlor Owner!
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Theres litererally zero difference between two tip diameters as long as theyre shaped to the same radius. They have the exact same contact size and thats ehay matters
4:45 this whole demonstration was anything but scientific and does not provide any data that allows for comparison. not only does every shot take another path, we can also not vouch for comparable power of the shot. once these variables are confined, data should be collected by repetition to remove outliers.
The tip radius has lot to do with correct Cue Ball contact. Too small of a Radius, can create more throw & Squirt. The object ball & cue ball impact each other, each with a 1.125" Radius, in American Pool..., that doesn't cause Throw or Squirt, when the Cue Ball is rolling, but when spin is added, induced spin will alter the object ball's path, after impact......
I completely disagree with your conclusion that the size of the tip does not matter for draw. (and all english but you were demonstrating draw here). It's simple geometry that says the smaller the cue tip, the lower you can get on the cue ball, hence, the more spin you can create. There is just no way to get around that fact. Yes you took ball in hand, and hit each shot at about break speed, so yes you got cue ball action. But use less force and see what happens. In real world games a smaller tip will get lower on the cue ball and with less force generate more backspin. Larger tips you have to hit much harder to achieve the same results and that's fine for a demonstration but in a real game you should rarely to never have to hit the cue ball with that much force you will lose all control. Make the test using a real world (game) example, ie, about half (or less) the force you used for this demonstration. The smaller the tip, the lower it can get on the cue ball, the more spin it will create. (PS I've never even seen a 14 mm tip in the U.S. Everyone I know plays with from about a 11.5mm to 12.5 mm).
The cue ball does not know or care if it is spinning backward because of being struck by a broomstick or a needle. The cue ball responds with reverse rounds per minute caused by the speed of the cue stick.
@@dougrichards3649 LOL, OK, try that with a Kamui super soft tip on a low deflection shaft like an i3 shaft compared to a broomstick and see how that works for you... My main (and completely correct) argument is one of geometric physics. I'll explain it like this: If you hit middle ball the cue ball does not reverse rotate obviously, correct? If you hit half way between middle ball and table it reverse rotates a very small amount, correct? We all know the geometric physics of the lower you strike the cue ball, the more reverse rotation it will have. I think any and all agree on that. So, obviously, the thinner the shaft, the lower one can get on the cue ball. An 11mm i3 shaft can physically get a lower hit than say a 14 mm shaft. There is zero way to argue that fact. Therefore, all things being completely equal, ie, same type of shaft, same type of tip, simply getting lower on the cue ball will create more reverse spin. This is an inarguable point.
Simple fact I've noticed is that when I use the smaller tip in different games I get more revolutions on the ball, therefore more spin is imparted. This is my experience and thank you everyone for contributing to the debate! :-)
@@8BallPool-AMATEUR Yes you are correct. (As am I lol). This is what 100% of pool players understand, at least after they've played enough to gain some knowledge.
@@MikeM275 A 14mm will achieve more purchase than a 11 mm. Either striking a cue ball with tip 1mm above the cloth will scoop the ball. Go to 2mm, 3mm, 4mm … , I think the first to achieve a legal hit will be the tip with the best grip on the cue ball, speed of cue constant. Has a camera recorded any shaft height measurements? Is a level cue more or less efficient than one that is raised, a degree or few? I consider tip composition with its inherent qualities, driven by speed, to dictate the outcome, the performance of the cue ball.
