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Cultish: Out of the Cults & Into the Church, Pt. 1

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In this episode of Cultish Jeremiah Roberts and Andrew Soncrant are joined by Naomi Wright who is part of a beEmboldened Ministries ‪@beEmboldened‬ which exists to provide support in the prevention of and healing from harmful religious experiences. We have interviewed Naomi before where she told us about her journey out of a William Branham off-shoot polygamist cult led by her father.
How can we be better spiritually equipped to help recover from cult abuse?
How important is it for people who get out of a cult to get into the church?
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@ApologiaStudios Год назад

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@ritastevenson5639 Год назад

As a recovering, now born again, exJW, thank you for your ministry to ex-cultists! I was so blessed that my husband (never a JW) came along side me and helped me sort this out plus also many, many hours of prayer, Bible reading, scripture study, undoing the lies I was taught, etc. For 6 months after getting out (even though I was saved) I could not stomach the thought of joining a church, though I visited one once. Also, it took 2 years to be able to celebrate holidays without feeling really uncomfortable. I did so much digging into origins, Romans 14, asking other Christians how they view them, and I still pray about it so that I do not dishonor the Lord in what I am doing. You are so right about the trauma but for a certainty, I think when a person is indwelt by the Holy Spirit, that is the key to untangling and moving on. I have seen people leave and try to untangle that have not found the Lord and they are really struggling. I thank God everyday for his grace! There are still things that trigger me, like the hymns with the name Jehovah in them. Honestly, I cannot sing that name without cringing even though I know JWs did not have a monopoly on it, though they thought/said they did. I have been reading many books about overcoming the cultist mindset. My ultimate goal is for the Lord to use my 34 years in that group to help others escape. One day recently though, the Lord sent to LDS Missionary girls to my door! Not what I was expecting but thanks to Cultish, I knew that there were similarities between our groups and was able to share the gospel and urge those girls to look into their history and that the Bible was all they needed. He is good. ❤

@humblejoy3564 Год назад

Naomi!!! ❤️this woman is so wonderful, what a joy to hear her voice and story again. praise God

@christrescuedme2182 Год назад

When dealing with ex-cult members, you must keep directing them to Jesus Christ alone as their only hope of salvation. You don't want them becoming too dependent upon you and your counseling techniques. For one, they are already prone to look to someone else to tell them what to do. Only in Jesus can they be set free from that cultic mindset.

@idiopathictendencies8453 Год назад

Like this girl?

@aservantofJEHOVAH7849 Год назад

John ch.8:50NASB"But I am not seeking My glory; there is One who seeks it, and judges. " Only the Christ who honours his God and Father as the most high GOD saves. The Jesus who is seeking his own glory can save no one including himself.

@christrescuedme2182 Год назад

@@aservantofJEHOVAH7849 Paul quoted Joel 2:32 in Rom. 10:13, to confirm the fact that Yahweh (or Jehovah) in the O.T. was the pre-incarnate Christ.

@ritastevenson5639 Год назад

So true!

@aservantofJEHOVAH7849 Год назад

@@christrescuedme2182 Like I have elsewhere Paul quoted Joel to confirm the God and Father of Jesus as the ultimate source of our salvation Jesus could save no one until JEHOVAH Saved him. Hebrews ch.5:7NKJV"who, in the days of His flesh, when He had offered up prayers and supplications, with vehement cries and tears to Him who was able to SAVE Him from death, and was heard because of His godly fear, "

@patrickwilder9980 Год назад

Love this show. Y’all are so amazing by the grace of God! Great content brothers and sister!

@PretzelBubba Год назад

This was really good. Could relate to so much of it. Looking foward to Part II.

@jenniferschade7553 Год назад

This is EXACTLY what I have been praying to hear. Honestly, as someone who grew up JW I have really struggled. I keep saying burn me once, shame on you...burn me twice...shame on me. I really did get discouraged because every time I've considered a church community I have been so hesitant. My husband who's grown up Lutheran has no anxiety about his faith and I am literally DYING... I don't even feel comfortable buying a bible. This is how bad it is. I'm like, I have to make sure it is a good bible that I will understand....but also one that doesn't reduce Jesus. Very stressful and I feel like I will just end up losing faith if I don't get the right food for my soul. Rant over, back to the program.

@jordantheriverman6143 Год назад

That sounds very difficult. Honestly, whether it’s niv, ESV, or Kjv, it is faithful to the scriptures. I’ve gone to seminary and studied Greek etc and how it’s translated and transmitted. My recommendation is to get one of those mainstream Bibles. It’s more dangerous for your soul not to be in His word. As for congregations, pray to God n look up churches in the area. Go to a reformed Protestant church (a Lutheran church can be ok too, but i believe reformed is more Biblical,) that preaches through the text line by line and keeps the focus on Jesus and the good news. God bless

@jenniferschade7553 Год назад

@@jordantheriverman6143 Thank you so much for replying. I'll certainly look into that!

@nonyabidness5708 11 месяцев назад

I hope you find some peace and make some progress. I'm thinking about joining one of this lady’s groups to help me recover from leaving the UPCI. Maybe a group like that would be helpful for you too. ❤ I went to the conference they referenced and there were a bunch of helpful resources. I'll look up the list and come back and post them here for you.

@jenniferschade7553 11 месяцев назад

that would be wonderful!@@nonyabidness5708

@El.savedbyJesus Год назад

It took me a couple tries to get thru to the end, but my new age radar was totally going off. Don't know about sitting thru a part two. I'd be concerned with this for anybody coming out of cults; especially if they are seeking a healthy Bible church. Programs like this can sometimes do more harm that heal within a scriptural content.

@anonymouslyanonymous3037 Год назад

What was setting your new age radar off, may i ask?

@El.savedbyJesus Год назад

@@anonymouslyanonymous3037 mostly some very new age verbiage. I had also looked into the social media from her ministry and it was heavily a mix of Christianity and the New Age.

@humblejoy3564 Год назад

how did New Age come to your mind? all I heard was a testimony of God changing her and her life

@anonymouslyanonymous3037 Год назад

@@humblejoy3564 I didn't hear new age either. Naomi has helped me so much through her counseling. I know there's safety in multiple counselors so I definitely have been speaking with pastors and trusted friends as well. But she has never sounded new age to me.

@El.savedbyJesus Год назад

@@anonymouslyanonymous3037 I already answered at question. Feel free to read how I previously responded. My response has not changed.

@denisbilly7153 Год назад

If she doesn't know what to think about being a female pastor, then why is she involved with this ministry of God's word to those who are coming out of cults? The Bible is clear about the prohibition on female pastors. She should have already known what to think about that.

@anonymouslyanonymous3037 Год назад

She was not talking about what she currently believes about women pastors... She was saying she went into seminary for her own personal growth and unknowingly picked a program designed for pastors... but she didn't know that is what a masters of divinity was.

@nonyabidness5708 11 месяцев назад

She also isn't a pastor in this role... and how DARE she admit to not knowing all the things from the beginning of her belief. 🙄

@estimatingonediscoveringthree Год назад

Don’t practice pagan holidays

@AndrewL4me Год назад

Like Christmas?

@estimatingonediscoveringthree Год назад

@@AndrewL4me yes

@jacksprrow Год назад

@@estimatingonediscoveringthree Christmas is not pagan smh. Micheal Jones - Inspiring Philosophy RU-vid channel

@estimatingonediscoveringthree Год назад

@@jacksprrow utterly pagan, we are not to worship according to the worship structures of false gods and pagan ritual, God shows us clearly that he detests them even the nation of Israel tried to use worship structure they knew from Egypt, they did it in order to worship Jehovah what are utilized Megan practice when they made the golden calf, they were literally thinking about God when they were doing it, they were punished for it because God is holy and he has identified is desire regarding worship. We don’t get to pick the days nor do we get to pick the methods, And that’s a good thing because there are certain activities that are very bad for us and if we take part of them because we feel like it’s a form of worship or we think it’s a good idea we will be doing the very opposite of worship, will be separating ourselves from God and sometimes even bringing curse or judgment. What is even more important is that God appointed times and identified worship structure causes us to rehearse the gospel, the abandonment of this generational practice is exactly why do youth are going astray

@srivera6111 Год назад

Don’t follow John Calvin would be advisable also

@aservantofJEHOVAH7849 Год назад

Psalm ch.83:18KJV"That men may know that thou, whose name alone is JEHOVAH, art the most high over all the earth." Only the MOST HIGH GOD bears the name JEHOVAH, Without dispute(even your theologians admit that) Jesus Christ is not the most high God thus Jesus Christ is not the JEHOVAH of the bible.

@christrescuedme2182 Год назад

Paul quoted Joel 2:32 in Rom. 10:13, to confirm the fact that Yahweh (or Jehovah) in the O.T. was the pre-incarnate Christ.

@aservantofJEHOVAH7849 Год назад

@@christrescuedme2182 No that's not why our brother Paul quote Joel JEHOVAH is the lord and saviour of Jesus . So in keeping with Jesus promise to Glorify the name of his GOD and Father see John ch.17:26 Jesus inspired Paul to acknowledge His God and Father as ultimate source of salvation. Jesus save no one until He himself was saved by his Lord. Hebrews ch.5:7 NASB" Thus we must acknowledge Jesus'God and Father as the Most High God to be saved. Romans ch.10:9NASB"that if you confess with your mouth Jesus as Lord, and believe in your heart that God raised Him from the dead, you will be saved;" He could not be anyone's Lord until JEHOVAH Raised him from the dead.

@christrescuedme2182 Год назад

@@aservantofJEHOVAH7849 Jesus is the same Good Shepherd of the O.T. (Psa. 23, Isa. 40:11, Jn.10). He is the same eternal Son of God in the O.T. (Psa. 2). He is the SAME Sovereign Savior and King of Glory in the Old Testament. He is the SAME Sovereign Savior of the everlasting covenant that was promised and kept, even under the shadows of the old covenant (Psa. 24, Jer. 32:40). No wonder Hebrews 1:8-12 also applies Psalm 102:25-27 to Jesus! The O.T. saints were always looking for a fuller manifestation of God’s eternal plan of redemption, as they spoke of Christ “by the Spirit of Christ which was in them” (1 Pet. 1:9-11). Because Old Testament saints were saved by the same God Who gave them the old covenant, but they were NOT saved by virtue of the old covenant, or by the administration of it. They were saved by the same God, in the same way (through faith), and upon the same basis (God’s grace through Jesus and His saving work), with the same salvation that believers have today.

@aservantofJEHOVAH7849 Год назад

@@christrescuedme2182 That would contradict orthodox Trinitarian teaching, the Son is not Father according according to all the pastor's and priests I have spoken to . But maybe you're not a trintarian.

@qwerty1234pr Год назад

Are you a Jehovah's Witness?

@idiopathictendencies8453 Год назад

From the cult of James White, triquetras and kjv onlyism

@Kikuye Год назад

James White definitely isn't KJV Onlyist.

@academyofchampions1 Год назад

Plz help me understand something- Apologia is saved because they believe in Jesus. Got it. Wait, the Catholics believe in the same trinity and they aren’t saved? Also, all Jews believe in the God of Israel, which, according to y’all is literally the same god as Jesus. But the Jews aren’t saved? Huh? Sounds a bit “culty” to say that everyone isn’t saved except for you guys…. 🤔

@compulsivehonesty Год назад

The first part is incorrect, you are not saved just by believing but by accepting the truth of Jesus' sacrifice, that you were dead in your sin without it, and allowing your heart to be transformed. "Apologia" is a studio, not a person, so it can't be saved. Probably most of the people you see hosting their content are saved, but in truth you can never know if a person is saved because only God can see within them. Calling yourself Catholic does not preclude you from being saved. Catholic doctrine just contains a lot of extrabiblical efforts. Many Catholics are probably saved. Religious (different from ethnic) Jews fully reject Jesus as the Messiah and are therefore NOT saved. They follow God in the Bible up to the point of Jesus and then they stop. Being halfway on board does not work. The culmination of God's plan in the Old testament was Jesus' birth, death, and resurrection. They do worship the same God, but they have rejected His sacrifice.

@academyofchampions1 Год назад

@@compulsivehonesty so were the Jews prior to Jesus coming to the earth aka Old Testament God… were they all saved? I just find way too many inconsistencies within Calvanism. No offense. Also, am I supposed to believe that a man and his wife, let’s say they are Jehovah’s Witness, and they on their way to their first Christian meeting with James White and Jeff Durbin, and they aren’t fully convinced but are willing to be open minded, but are hit by a truck and they die.. am I to conclude that none of them are saved? Also, what does it mean to believe in the sacrifice? There are many verses that literally state that all you have to do is believe. Am I to conclude that there are caveats to salvation? On the one hand, you’re telling me that belief alone isn’t good enough, but many verses argue differently. Sorry to be difficult. I just find that any small child, with the innocence and purity of youth, has the ability to believe in Jesus, and even have a fundamental belief and acceptance of his sacrifice, and are therefore saved. But this would mean that virtually any religion that teaches about Jesus and his sacrifice offers virtual certainty in being saved to their very young children. Be they Catholic, Born Again, Jehovah’s Witness, Baptist, Lutheran, LDS… ANYONE teaching Jesus offers salvation, at least according to how I understand what you wrote.

@Xaforn Год назад

@@compulsivehonesty also many Jews follow idolatry of past rabbis, they study Kabbalah, do not believe in an afterlife etc. Catholics also have a problem with idolatry as well.