Cultural Christianity kills. Taking Blake's Christianity seriously. William on Jesus

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At one level, Blake is clearly Christian. It’s even trivial to say so. And yet, his identification with Jesus is often sidelined, even written out, of accounts of the poet's work today.
There are many reasons for this neglect: an understandable disillusionment with Christianity; the replacement of participative Christianity with cultural Christianity and its stress on moral law; the rise of atheism in the 19th century; the colonisation of literary studies with secular assumptions.
But Blake is quite clear: without the divine vision, focused on Jesus the imagination and the centrality of the continual incarnation, the golden string he offers us today, will not lead to heaven's gate.
So what type of Christianity does he champion? How does he communicated it? And why is it still so needed, 200 years on.
This talk was given to the Blake Society.
0:00 Introduction
0:47 The centrality of a continual incarnation
6:00 His links with Orthodoxy and mystical Christianity
9:44 The place of Jesus
11:31 Transfiguration as a foretaste of Eternity
12:34 The divinity of the woman caught in adultery
14:36 Jesus in the poem Jerusalem
16:00 "I have power to raise from death"
18:50 The breath divine or Spirit in Blake
19:58 Union with Jesus
21:25 The purpose of forgiveness
24:00 The meaning of self-annihilation
27:54 Inspired by the Gita
29:31 A commodious Christianity
33:26 The failure of naturalism and the cosmos as a closed system
38:34 The inhumanity of atheistic humanism
40:33 Mystical Christianity and participation with nature
44:09 Ethical Christianity divides: religion hid in war
46:53 "Thy own humanity learn to adore". Restoring humanism
49:18 "There is a moment in each day". Blake's apocalypse is now

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@Cat_Woods Месяц назад

Why "Cultural Christianity kills"? There's nothing inconsistent with metaphorical and mythical usages, and there's nothing harmful in that, if so. I never heard of anyone killing someone else over metaphors, only doctrines taken literally.

@MarcusBarnabassisSystersSonne Месяц назад

Great talk, so thankful the Lord brought me to your channel ☦️

@pocketfullofshellz Месяц назад

These videos are extremely needed to all that listen

@Jimboken1 Месяц назад

Thanks for this. Blake is a mystic and remarkably visual in his thinking and imagination whilst for the vast majority of us, Christianity is just a set of rules that if followed lead to a happier life in this world and comfort in adversity. Additionally Christianity creates a civil society in which the mystic and the leading of a productive rewarding life can flourish. So the Christianity as a religion works for all of us. Blake seems full of awe and even excitement as he creates art by drawing or writing what he 'sees'. He sees the outer world as the dance of the Divine rather than 'reality'. The Bible helps him make sense of what he already ‘sees’. His naked wonder is itself wondrous as we can have no doubt that he is sincere and thoughtful. He'd have a absolutely no need of psychedelics!

@PlatosPodcasts Месяц назад

Certainly agree with you on your last point. He also felt that vision is for all...

@555KL 12 дней назад

Blake was not a mystic.

@PlatosPodcasts 12 дней назад

@@555KL You’re right there’s been a big debate about that ever since Northup Frye said he was a visionary rather than a mystic. I think both terms have their uses and limitations…

@Jimboken1 12 дней назад

@@555KL Only if you insist.

@jamesmcarthur4720 Месяц назад

Breakfast with Mark this morning offered powerful and optimistic insights! Thankyou Mark.

@flow963 29 дней назад

Excellent vision Mark. It feels so right to me. Delightfully resonating, enchanting, Really, sublime transubstantiated from the all devouring many to the rectified One. Risen.

@richardbuckharris189 Месяц назад

“Prisons are built with stones of Law, Brothels with bricks of Religion” ― william blake, The Marriage of Heaven and Hell

@randysmith5435 27 дней назад

That quote freed me from religion many years ago.

@pencilpauli9442 Месяц назад

Icons as windows of eternity. IMHO regarding a painting as a window is a western concept of a painting developed since the Renaissance with the reintroduction of perspective. Icons use a "reverse perspective" and give the impression of the painting projecting into our space, and as such the eternal is projected into the world.

@Footnotes2Plato 29 дней назад

This is just fantastic, Mark. Thank you.

@gphilipvirgil355 Месяц назад

Just Wow…. I’m slayed…thank you for this

@sashahynds4917 Месяц назад

When will your book on William Blake be published? This was enlightening.

@davnDaum 28 дней назад

Absolutely fascinating!!! Thank you!

@birdthompson 27 дней назад

good to have you back!

@MortenBendiksen 27 дней назад

The reformers were the ones who brought back to peoples conciousness the centrality of the mystical union with God. It was very prevalent in their theology, and protestant mystical writings inspired an interest among the Orthodox at the time, and were widely circulated in Russia, and had a lot to do with why this is so central in Orthodoxy today.

@stevecallais1713 8 дней назад

wow. thankyou a wonderful video.

@medicalmisinformation Месяц назад

More than anyone else you mentioned, St. Irenaeus emphasized this theosis by virtue of the Incarnation.

@EbbandFlow1234 Месяц назад

Many faces of the same coin. Removing the beam from our own eyes. We make mistakes when stumble blindly ( And as wind we wind on down the road. Our shadows taller than our soul.. LZ) We are all blind, all of us. How do you know Till you know? He's asking for us to recoginise our own shadows, cast light on them and take responsibility for the projections we aim at others. Throwing stones. Using our tongues and thoughts as swords while standing in the shoes of the hypocrite. No compassion or empathy for eachother can be born from that stance. Towers remove it. No trick, just truth. Some sort of bridge. Animus/ Anima and the great divide. Hes teaching and showing them shes as equally important as they are, a human stumbling blindly. You know it coukd be used for the good but all they want to do is weaponise it. The imagination, the great eternal sea. The seat of the soul, cos people can fly 🗽 ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-bUeMvc9LvRA.htmlsi=43HnZR65_AHoDnYr " Therefore God becomes as we are" The creation of Adam by Micheal Angelo.

@soundscholar5408 Месяц назад

Love this, ive slightly been able to understand our imagination, it really seems divine, blake was probably spot on...

@mralexander99 Месяц назад

I think you are on to something and it is immersed with the Mystery Of Being 🦅🌹🦅

@soundscholar5408 Месяц назад

@@mralexander99 ❤ it really does seem to be that way, the little bit i can gleam is enough to last me many lifetimes in exploration

@theomnisthour6400 Месяц назад

It's an eternal refinement of all entities in the simulation multiverse, a self-sustaining family of virtual realities that accommodates all manner of Christs and Antichrists, and isolates them from those who would be perpetual Hobbits of a particular well-defined community.

@AdmiringGardeningTools-dy2rz 29 дней назад

The 20th century Neville Goddard, " mystic" quotes Blake alot

@margueritespringer3687 Месяц назад

Thank you Thank you

@EbbandFlow1234 Месяц назад

Sorry, I called you Vernon yesterday. I recently listened to Vernon Neppe, and you remind me of him.

@PlatosPodcasts Месяц назад

No worries!

@BrentDavis75 Месяц назад

I'm epistemologically agnostic, but leaning towards metaphysical atheism. I was only ever exposed to evangelical Christianity, which I found off-putting -- the concept of eternal damnation will do that. I wonder what Blake made of the idea of a literal hell?

@ALavin-en1kr Месяц назад

I agree with you on evangelical Christianity, it has not evolved from dark age concepts yet, when people were scared into behaving. I take Christianity as having to do with consciousness; Christ consciousness. We have human consciousness; awareness of being conscious beings with awareness of our immediate environment. Christ consciousness I take to mean being aware of the whole what is happening within and without in our immediate as well as a a distance. Cosmic Consciousness would mean Cosmic awareness. There is a lot on biological evolution but as consciousness is still ‘the hard problem’ little is known about it, or about mind; is mind elemental emerging with quantum events? We are moving away from a material age into an atomic age when inner forces; electricities; electromagnetism; magnetism, and eventually mind and consciousness will be better, if not fully, understood. Some of that understanding may not come until an age beyond the one on the horizon. That some may be already there is likely, not all evolve at the same time, or at the same pace.

@aronmarc5575 Месяц назад

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@beaanderson6488 Месяц назад

So you basically saying you don’t believe a God could exists or if there is a God we could not know it, and that you are leaning toward a belief that there is no supernatural or divine reality of any kind. But you are interested in eternal damnation… otherwise you would not ask Blakes view on hell, if he has any. Read William Blake, "The Proverbs of Hell"

@lazaruscomeforth7646 Месяц назад

Eternal hell has nothing to do with time. It is simply the state of mind of someone who embraces self over others, law over mercy, justice over grace. At death the person is simply what they are essentially in life, darkness and death and misery. Rejecting the eternal embracing light leaves one in the eternal lonely darkness.

@aronmarc5575 Месяц назад

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@Oskar-ey6jb Месяц назад

I wish mystics (Blake included), actually, virtually all thinkers, spoke more sensitively and coherently about the self and "self-annihilation" etc. We really need better language here. Self-expansion is qualitatively different from self-eradication, and any metaphor of death applied to the self should, in my opinion, be heavily heavily qualified or avoided completely. Clearly, a human being without a very robust sense of self is a pathological being, and to say that there is some form of identity between the discrete self and God also needs to be heavily heavily qualified, otherwise it could quickly lead to some schizoid escapism. It puzzles me that usually articulate people become strangely inarticulate and undelicate when it comes to this issue. Also, I find a lot of Blakeans completely ignore the primacy of Milton amongst Blake's influences. I'm not sure how Blake can even begin to be grasped without a good grasp of Milton, especially Paradise Lost. Milton's monism is quite unlike your run-of-the-mill mystical non-dualism, and as far as I understand, Blake thought of himself as Milton's successor. In my opinion, Milton actually performed what Romantics like Blake sought to do. For Milton, (His) imagination was indistinguishible from Divine Knowledge. Milton is still the greatest poet, and if we are reviving Blake, we must also revive Milton. Wordsworth called out for Milton, we should do the same.

@Xeper616 29 дней назад

I'm not sure why there needs to be sensitivity with the language used for the mystical experience. The metaphor of death is often used because the mundane identity is something which is utterly transcended in these moments of ecstasy, it is a powerful and apt way to get that point across.

@MegaPsychoticPanda 29 дней назад

The medical equivalent of self annihilation is Ego Death - identified as the demon Choronzon by Aleister Crowley.

@Xeper616 29 дней назад

@@MegaPsychoticPanda Choronzon is not ego-death, the demon of dispersion shouts "I am I", desperately clinging. The overcoming of Choronzon and giving one's self up to Babalon is what causes ego-death or to become a Babe of the Abyss.

@kerwinbrown4180 Месяц назад

How do you kill the dead?

@ruthlewis673 Месяц назад

And so, I often find these kinds of talks, although interesting, illuminate no path, no direction. All very well, but then what. It may leave us feeling something is stirring within, but what? As Jung said, people will do anything other than look within. The inwatd journey takes us down before the assent, a fearful proposition for many. It's interesting that the interest in Jung has grown since Covid, where many were forced into self refection. In short listening to elevating discussions wont take you down. And the journey always begins with a fall.❤

@entitysix Месяц назад

How do we get to the place we fall from?

@ruthlewis673 Месяц назад

Start where you are.@@entitysix

@NTNG13 29 дней назад

It doesn't matter if he had the most beautiful poetry, he wasn't a divinely inspired writer. His stuff can't take the place of "cultural christianity" which only means Real Lived Christianity.