Also, she didn't do that little jog step followed by eye contact which would indicate that she'd like him to hold the door. She sort of looked down which would indicate she doesn't want to get in to that door holder situation. That's how it works in my world.
Upon rewatching the look down did not appear to be an indication to not hold the door, but an adjustment of the shirt. The woman appeared to me to actually be walking in a brisk manner to catch the open door. I think the real damning action was hesitation at the door by Larry.
But was the hesitation time exaggerated for effect? Like watching a reply in a sports game, the footage can appear different in 'real time'. Here is an explanation prepared earlier by someone who I am not. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-F_td1X_c5Gg.html
Eh, not really. By arguing and being displeased she proves she's not the type that wants to be treated roughly or uncaringly. If she was the type she would've been happy Larry treated her like that.
Leslie Dugger If the other person feels like they have to hurry up the distance is too long. Holding the door is to make their life easier. Making them run is not.
I've had the "hold door hesitate" situation many times. It needs an whole new math equation.... miles/per hour divide by distance to travel x seconds in which to hold the door.
Larry's right about the equation, I have the exact same equation in my head. Problem is he hesitated. You gotta be like a NASA scientist solving a re-entry formula, compute and execute!
You know what? Human minds may actually operate like that, with way more complicated formula than a simple linear combination. If I were Larry I probably will spit out ~7 variables and also try to have a rational discussion, modeling the situation with a multivariate function and appraise the situation and proper response on the door shut rationally.
For a big Seinfeld fan like me, watching this show is like being a student of Italian who suddenly discovers that there's a language out there called "Latin."
Actually I think I've heard that portugase( or romanian?) was the closest modern language to the Latin grammatically. Of course italian, french and spanish is all childs of that family but apperently portugese is the one that took after its parent the most :D
@@UnoriginalSmartass I don't know if there's complete unanimity on this question, but many people do think it's Italian. Either way, it doesn't detract from the analogy, I'd say.
Once, when I entered my building I saw a girl who was also coming, so I held the door opened for her. When she had just a few more steps, she stopped and started to check her messages on the phone. I stood there like an idiot for a few seconds holding the door, without her even noticing me, so I took my hand from the door. At that exact same moment, she started to walk again and the door just slammed in her face, startling her. After a few days I found out she started to to bad-mouth me to the neighbours, claiming that I intentionally slammed the door in her face...
Yoda this story is relatable expect I was the chick looking at my mail. Oh and I broke my nose but didn’t talk shut about my neighbor. Any human who runs into a door can only blame themselves for the consequences.
Similar to Larry, you waited too long. The second she took that phone out, that door would've been done. Also fuck her and her mouth to people. Then these women wonder why they're single.
Channeling my inner LD this morning while walking into a Starbucks. Turned around guy was about 25 feet away, thought to myself "Nah, too far away. No door hold.", guy walked in said to me super sarcastically "Thank you!" I replied "You're welcome?" Larry David is my copilot 🤣
This show’s entire premise is to expose what 99% of people think but probably wouldn’t do in most cases. It’s exaggerated most times, but everything is rooted in a solid insight. Love it.
i do this too (minus the 5 second hesitation) if the person is far enough away, and if they look physically able to comfortably open the door themselves, i dont hold it. i feel like thats the more considerate way to do it because if you hold the door while they are still far away, youre making them feel rushed because youre waiting on them.
I agree with that. Sod them. They want equality so not sure what is right thing to do. Like I don't give a woman a seat on the underground if she isn't old, pregnant or disabled.
The funny thing is, Larry didn't even need to mention "type" at all - he could have just mentioned "distance." Thereby avoiding offending her. Classic Larry - it's his job to offend!
Myth Detector I only ever do that unless the other person is right behind me, and even then only if it’s a woman. I’m very gay and men always act all kinds of weird if I hold the door open for them lol
So much to say about this. I'll only say that when I hold the door open for someone and I don't get a "thank you" I remind them that a thank you is a nice thing to say. The fabric of society is very thin these days.
This cheery tune, matched so well to Larry's gait, as the opening scene of the new season (minus fumbling in the shower with the soap dispenser) was SUCH a great "welcome back, Curb!" feeling... Cant wait for the next episode tonight!
Izzat Zo I wouldn't hold the door for you either. Now your woman ( fem ) I would, because they usually end up getting board with the tongue, and need the true beef injection. Just sayin.
Distance and ignorance are key. You have to make a quick judgment about distance and if they’re close, you hold it open. If it’s in that awkward range, you pretend you didn’t see them and keep walking.
I dont give a fuck who you are, if I open the gosh darn door for you and you're kinda far away hustle a little (unless youre elderly or have some sort of set back)
I struggle with a genuine phobia of homosexuals and won't hold the door for them; I am afraid to share the door handle. My psychologist -- who is strictly Freudian -- defines it as a phobia and has a bizarre theory about my father. But my imam says it's perfectly healthy and reasonable. At least Islam is totally not gay.
Here in Austin TX, people are super polite about holding the door for anyone coming behind, but when that anyone loses interest and there is a good distance with the door holder, it is ok to just let the door close
Honestly, distance is really the only thing you should judge for a door hold. Everyone, and I mean everyone, appreciates having the door held open for them.
Hesitation is killer in these situations. Look back quick over your shoulder, let the door go without effort and speed up the walk in case you missed someone approaching from a side. Never got an argument in 29 years.
This is hilarious, I think about this all the time "What is the safe distance to hold the door open? If you wait too long you just look like an idiot." And then I think this is exactly like something Larry David would talk about on CYE
I thought the same thing when this came out. So many years waiting for new Curb episodes you end up seeing many moments in your life as part of one. But that might prove that this season was written by many other people besides LD. The writting was ok but the overproduction ruined the atmosphere of the show. Netflix is able to turn to shit everything it touches. Still anxiously awaiting a new one though.
My equasion: Noone = amount of persons, who have a right to an open door. People either are nice enough to do it or not. You don't put those on trial who don't.
People don't usually argue about it, but lots of times I can tell when someone's pissed off about it. Frankly anyone who can't open a door on their own is pretty useless. I hold it open if someone's immediately behind me, and usually others do the same for me (except a certain type of woman who just slips through and lets doors close on the people behind her - and by certain type I mean bitches). But it actually annoys me when someone is well ahead of me and insists on waiting to keep the door open for me like I'm some kind of useless pile of shit, and at the same time it forces me to hurry for their sake. It's an imposition really.
Part of Larry's elongated door hold was imagining all of the potential scenarios / reactions from her if he had actually held the door open for the lady. The fact that she stopped and fumbled with her clothing, should have been his cue to leave. I love how CYU can squeeze comic moments out of everything.
There are people who get really mad when you don't hold the door for them. And there are others who get really mad when you don't thank them for holding the door for you. Door holding is a bonus. It isn't guaranteed, nor should anyone expect anything about it. The one possible exception is if you have your arms full, and can't really open the door. Then someone can hold it. But what if there's no one there to hold the door? It's up to you to open it, in that case, and in all cases, one way or another.
The best is when distance is high, yet you hold the door forcing them to run/speed walk as to not seem rude for wasting your time holding the door when they knew they were too far for you to hold the door, but you held it anyway.
He held the door open for 10 seconds while looking at them. That is rude. However, had he looked for a moment and continued or just opened it and walked through, this would not have been an issue.
I'd argue that she was the one rude in this example. They obviously both saw each other and acknowledged what the interaction was about; instead of considering that Larry would like to get on with his day (exactly like she was trying to do) and picking up her pace, she kept moving at the same pace. When somebody spends time to make things more convenient for someone for no personal benefit, the way to show appreciation is certainly not by wasting more of that person's time. Then to go out of her way to try to make Larry feel shitty about it? Nah, those are dick moves through and through.
@@ShiroiKiba, They both suck. The look on his face while staring at her before making the conscious decision to let the door shut on her is just dickish. People who really want to get on with their days don’t stand around in doorways profiling people to decide wether or not they’re the “type” to want a door held open. They instead open a door and walk through it with little to no hesitation. Larry spent time to decide wether or not he would make her day more convenient and he decided not to. She had nothing to show appreciation for as having to open a door that was open is not helpful in any way. Her confronting Larry for making the choice to let the close door close on her is not only weird and rude, but just nonsensical (the point of the show). If she was busy, nothing wastes time like telling a rude dick off. Nobody wins when they deal with Larry…apart from Leon of course… At the end of the day if you don’t want to hold doors open for people, you can just push them open as you walk through so they can try to catch it.
yup, the missing part of the equasion (for me anyway) is amount of gratitude or lack of emoding from the person. If I am clearly holding the door waiting for someone, if they do not smile or acknowledge in some way the gesture, I will wait until they are almost there then let the door close on them. Yes this makes me an asshole, and I am okay with that.
Women have gotten to a point where they all just have a huge ego and they think they are better than everyone. Holding doors for them is pointless. If you do they just bitch at you for it and accuse you of raping them. Bill BurrFan is my hero for holding the door and proudly letting it close when they get to it.
The problem is that he paused and looked to see if he should hold the door open. If you see someone right behind you, you hold the door open. If they’re more than 25 feet away, just walk on in.
The unfortunate thing is that this lady was actually really friendly! (Her whole rationalising with Larry when she first starts talking to him actually wasn't triggered at all; the door really DID shut right as she was getting to it.) It was Larry David being Larry David that set her off...
there's a lot more nuance that could be added to this conversation. for example there are two ways to hold a door for someone: one is just leaning back and popping it open with your hand until the person behind you grabs it, and then immediately heading on your way - normal for men to do for other men, for women to do for other women, for anyone to do for anyone. safe in all circumstances and gender scenarios. Larry was in that position so it's just his social awkwardness that prevented him from following through with a perfectly safe and offense-risk-free course of action. the other way to hold a door open is the ~overwrought chivalry~ way. that is when you hold the door open, and then *stand next to it* for *no reason* while the other person walks through. this is often accompanied by an "after you" or a hand gesture. this technique is far more problematic and fraught. not only does it assume the gender of your subject, it's also based in gender roles which regular, gender-conforming people are often uncomfortable with. (and like, women wonder if you're just trying to look at their ass). the other element of this scene which is in play, but unfortunately unspoken, is that the female character is so butch she could easily be a pre-op trans man. and like 80% of the time when you see an AFAB person who looks like that, they are transgendered (or even if they're not trans, they don't mind if you interpret them as masculine because... y'know, they're wearing a waistcoat). as a trans guy I actually really appreciate Larry's decision to affirm the masculinity of this stranger. unfortunately he did it in a very unnecessary and awkward way (again, method 1 is perfectly acceptable regardless of gender) but sometimes, it's the thought that counts. yet Larry is unwilling to discuss trans issues so issue of the scene becomes perceived homophobia/sexuality rather than gender and gender expression, which is what it really should be about.
OettingerCroat you are making thoughtful comments but the right wingers here just want to blame leftists for everything ... the ironic thing is that Larry is on the left
Angry Gen X'er he’s on the left but he’s not on the SJW left or the Marxist left…he’s a NY leftist who calls and overtly mocks cultural bullshit and doesn’t let the left play the victim card perpetually
OettingerCroat How is it friendly to hold up a random stranger, simply cause he didn't open a door to you??? She's a bitch the second she starts talking to him.
Sometimes the door hold for one person, can, if badly timed, become the door hold for a suddenly unexpected group behind them. Instead of the last person through holding the door for the next, the first person has to stand like a servant for an entire pack. Meanwhile, smiling and acknowledging everyone who passes by.
It IS atheism... Wtf? There's literally nobody else doing it, and feminism is part of the school curriculum you believe in!!! You're stoned: obviously it's the damned atheists. Next you'll tell me lgbtp isn't an atheist doctrine as well...
This is the formula the show has always used. The chat and cut, airplane etiquette, hogging the caviar - this kind of stuff is a huge part of what the show has always done. Larry gets in arguments where other people just bottle it up.
Part of the joke iS Larry's over-the-top "explaining." Makes me wonder how many of you actually watched the older episodes. This type of thing has always been part of the show.
