Curry, Dr. J, and Moses | Top 50 NBA Players of the Last 50 Years | No. 12-10 

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I hope Steph gets a little deeper into everyone's top 10 list, since someone's gotta get kicked out for Giannis sooner or later.

Giannis will be top 10 in 4 years

@@yourebreakingmyballs4787 yo how? Unless giannis wins 3/4 of the next chips and three peats he isn't making it to top 10

@@yourebreakingmyballs4787 one more champion, Giannis will be very similar to Hakeem which is around #12; 2 more champions, Giannis will be around Shaq #6-10

Love this thank you for telling ppl this it often goes undersold! He's one of the most influential NBA players ever

I don’t believe recency bias.If Moses had 3p in early 80s, we would remember him as we remember Magic and Shaq….

I think the bouncing around the league also hurt shaq because people seem to take points off because he could of been better and don't focus on how dominant he was at his peak

@@mindyourbuisness8104 same is said for Dwight Howard, obviously not on a Shaq level but a top 50ish player.

Shaq was all about Shaq.

He admitted to trying to tie Kobe on rings

Except Luka

@@Boomi_Dog I don’t get you.

@@samsimpson565 he meant that he prematurely put Luka at 20

I had no idea either. Wow what a resume! He is right there with Magic and Bird.

2 chainz

That's been a very eye-opening part of this. Feels like Dr. J gets brought up as a dunking legend and not much else when in reality he was one of the best to ever do it, clearly.

@@USALeonHeart facts

They played two different games. Check how the rules were set for those preseason exhibitions.

Ty for being reasonable, some get so bent out of shape about Luka at 20. I don't even like the Bulls but I think Scottie P. should be way higher, Melo over Reggie? AD on here at all? Dwight seems like a 30 ish player But we can disagree with Nick and still enjoy the list.

@@Kruppt808 agree. Ad should not be on this list but melo is better then reggie.

@@jongee7034 but Reggie accomplished more

@@NoVisionGuy Reggie miller never finished top ten in MVP, only made 5 all star teams, and made 3 all nba 3rd teams. He’s definitely not a top 50 guy

wait until he puts LeBron number 1

It’s cause nick has hated curry for years and years. Nick hates everyone that isn’t lebron 💩

You talking about Curry right? Because he say the whole year on purpose because he didn’t expect Klay to be injured again. He is the only player I’ve seen sits a whole season for a wrist, some miss just two months like LaMelo, so yeah that counts for him as missing.

@@henryjosuesanchezzelaya142 it’s was a broken hand 🤚 & it don’t take 2 months to recover if broken. Takes way longer than that pal🤣go brake your hand and see if you are fine in 2 months

He didn't really struggle in 15. He had a bad game 2 and that was it. He was excellent in those Finals.

​@@carteljameson8395 I mean. I would say he had some struggles compared to the regular season. But don't get me wrong. Curry is my favorite player by a mile. I just feel like he has learned a lot from 15 and 16 and at this moment I think he is better than ever as a basketball player.

@@RipleyandSwoo I believe the same. He was way more poised this finals compared to 15 & 16. That’s what experience does.

@@RipleyandSwoo I agree that he’s learned a lot from ‘15 and ‘16, but I don’t get the notion that he struggled in ‘15. He had a bad game 2, as noted by Cartel Jameson a few replies earlier-and I’ll even give you the first half of game 3. Overall though, he had a pretty stellar Finals debut series, and he should’ve won FMVP. His game 5 performance that year, with the series tied 2-2, remains one of his best. He had clutch moments there, and in the fourth quarter and overtime of game 1. This year’s Finals performance was absolutely his best, but, in totality, Steph is actually one of the greatest Finals performers ever. 2016 is just one of those series like 2011 for Lebron-a stain that never truly washes out.

That would be true except he has spent his career taking cheap shots at Kobe and Jordan cause like all Lebron's fanboys he is butthurt that most guys who actually played the game would take Jordan and Kobe over Lebron

And the only team to sweep a healthy and prime Showtime Lakers.

@@aaronjackson9385 agreed I think Worthy was limited but was a rookie that year. The Sixers were on a mission!!!!

@@sirjer73 Worthy was a rookie off the bench for Silk & missed the 83’ postseason due to injury just like Coop missed essentially the entire season of 79’. People forget these injuries all the time.

I think that's a big reason why Kareem is so important to keep things in perspective. He only has 1 ring as the dominant player for most of the 70's, but he managed to play at a high level during the 2nd half of his career and still be competitive in his mid-late 80's and be a huge part of the Lakers dynasty when he was past his physical prime.

Trust me theres a couple of cats in the 60s and 70s that would adapt to today's time and would cook fools, guarantee it👍👍👍 one name come to mind..... Bill Russell 😂

I remember when playoffs games were on tape delay ..

@@brettthomas6327 Im not questioning whether Bill Russell would be able to function in todays game or even whether he's an all time great. But beyond that its impossible to say something like "there's no way Dwight Howard would've been able to do the same thing if they traded places." We have game tape.

@@pagey8143 I mean we have game tape on both of them, we know he went toe to toe with Wilt who was a beast. Dwight was also in his prime a dawg as well and would like Russell dominate any Era. My only concern with Dwight and Bill was that they lack offensive tools of a Hakeem, Shaq, Wilt, David Robinson, or Moses Malone, those guys seem like All purpose guys who could do it all.

Hakeem should be top 10 tbh, late top 10 but he should be there

Jordan Lebron Kareem Magic Duncan Shaq Kobe Curry Bird Hakeem Hakeem is my 10th in the "Modern Era" Top 10 thats 1979-Current (creation of the 3pt shot, expansion of teams) reason i think Modern Era is nessecary is how do you compare Russell playing when theres only 8 teams to when the league gets 24 and 30 teams, also no 3pt shot which changes the make up of a game and even barely no integration all those things make it impossible for me to have Russell and Lebron,Kobe,Shaqs etc etc in the same list.

@@jasonu3741 our lists are very similar except I include Russell and wilt so mine is Jordan LeBron Kareem Magic Duncan Kobe Russell Bird Steph Hakeem

@@jasonu3741 the reason saying “modern era” is important is so we don’t have to pretend a 210 pound big man who averaged 14 points on 44% shooting should be included in an intelligent discussion about the greatest

@@jasonu3741 A list without Wilt and Russell is a crime

Smart player 😂

Stop it

@@aga11ah why not? With 6 rings, 3 Finals MVP's , 2 MVP's & GOAT shooter??

if lebrons your goat and stepH gets 1 more ring he will.have surpassed lebron doesnt need all that extra ish you speaking on bruh

@@mutekiishi597 most people have lebron as a top 2 player ever. You mean to tell me if curry has 5 rings he's the 2nd greatest player ever?!!

Lol warriors ain’t three peating. Y’all do realize bucks clippers and nuggets will all be healthy next year.

Mahomes In every spot knowing Nick 🤣

The funny thing is that everybody wants to give point to Steph for changing the NBA, but if you look closers, there are more guys playing as similar as they can to Doctor J than to Steph Curry. Every winning team in the last decade had a very versatile, athletic forward that can score, pass, rebound and defend on different positions as either n1 or n2 guy on the team except the '15 Warriors (despite having Iguodala FMVP lol). And the historic path for that kind of player is Baylor - > Doctor J - > LeBron James.

@@12gark Man I've been tryin to say this but all these ppl who are talking about Steph changing the game refuse to do a little bit of research on NBA. I feel most fans tend to just know up to MJ's 90s runs with the bulls and don't bother looking into what happened in the 80s and beyond. Dr. J was truly special player and among one of the most influential players on the game

@@jakesmit353 it's also normal imho: there are more guys with incredible size and leaping ability with modern training than there are guys that can shoot 40+% from three and still be good basketball player. Playoff basketball is when you see the value of speed, size and athleticism. Tatum would have killed Duncan Robinson, so Spoelstra basically never played a guy making 20M a year. And guy like Tatum, Wiggins, Giannis and so many more became just invaluable, being able to switch on defense, drive, pass, set screens and so much more. Funny enough, shooting has increased the need for combination of speed and size more than the need of shooting 😂

@@12gark So well put and excellent point!

If jordan doesnt retire. Hakeem is 20th. No rings

@@jb7604 the idea that the bulls win 8 rings in a row is laughable

@@BoskoShabazz lol.. I agree. It would have been 10 at least in a row. That bulls team would have run houston off the court.

@@jb7604 that’s a lot of assuming on your part but I guess we’ll never know.

@@BoskoShabazz This guy JB acts as if Jordan's Bulls didn't lose to the baby Magic in the '95 Playoffs.

Wilt is out of the list because it's "the best of the last 50 years". Otherwise Wilt and Russell would be clearly, firmly in the top 10. But it's very hard to evaluate 60s game today.

@joceja23 ...probably would choose Hakeem, but don't forget he had Barkley and Drexler trying to get back to the finals and couldn't make it thanks to Stock. And, he declined hella quick too. Steph has the resume and he changed the way BB is played. I can't have The Dream -who I watched! Over Curry.

@joceja23 No you are not, Hakeem was a great 2-way players like Giannis, but Steph allow everyone around him play their roles much better like Magic did.

​@joceja23 Drexler

It kindve doesn’t….. Steph HAS to be higher than Magic if you really deep dive it

Explain to me the clear cut clear evidence why Curry should be over Magic and I will accept it. For a legend to overtake a legend it needs to be very clear why.

@@Derpfriar 1. Cultural impact/Transcendence Steph has done FAR more for the game of basketball than Magic ever has….. the speed, the defenses, the 3 point barrages as well as Steph holding the title of GREATEST shooter of all time 2. Popularity Steph is one of the faces of the league and has reached further than Magic ever has….. this is worldwide impact from adults to children, shoe brand (carried Under Armor to unprecedented new heights) Everyone who isn’t even a basketball fan has seen Steph and his family so he’s become polarizing and more then Magic ever was. 3. Comparison There is NO player that has a similar game to Steph that is better than him ZERO ZILCH NADA. Players can literally NOT imitate the things Steph can do on the court. While Magic is really just a lot worse version of LeBron and Bron at 37 is still FAR better than Magic ever was in terms of skill. I’m assuming Bron is in EVERY basketball fans top 3 bare minimum so how can Magic be so close? Bron is as good a passer as Magic if not better which I believe he is but a FAR more versatile offensive repertoire and a FAR more gifted athlete. Again there is no such player that can say they can do what Steph does on the court but better but for Magic there is 4. Caliber of teammates Yes Steph won two rings with KD but he’s now one two without him. For Magic as soon as Kareem declined his run was all but over….. he’s never won without having the most dominant player besides him as well as Big shot James. Curry has won without KD not to take away from Klay and Dray but they aren’t KAREEM who is easily a top 5 player of all time at ANY level be it HS, college, the NBA. Curry has won with small teams against the history of the league saying you need a dominant wing or dominant big. I don’t see how you can look at what Steph has accomplished and say he isn’t better than Magic….. put Magic on LeBrons teams and they are SIGNIFICANTLY worse. Curry for the majority of his runs has been beating for some the greatest player of all time and for all undoubtedly a top 3 greatest player of all time and MUCH BETTER PLAYER than Magic Johnson!

@@jamesonedwardsii4943 dude curry's my favorite player but we are talking about best players of all time not popularity. #2 shouldn't even be there. If it was popularity kobe would be top 3. I could see impact on the game there though but it shouldn't affect him too much. And for magic being the worse version of lebron he is obviously not as great of a player but his legacy stands as one of the best of all time. Yes no small player is even close to the level of curry, but no small player is even close to the top 10. For #4, even though I agree magic was hella lucky to play with Kareem, Curry still lucked out with the best team of all time. Also even if curry individually is a better player than magic the top 10 seems to be more of a comparision of both legacies and individual game, which magic edges out curry in.

@@tarunganesg9700 number 2 should be there because it matters….. he’s propelled the sport to heights Magic did not in terms of viewership and popularity world wide the same way Mike did. I watch old VHS with my old man and I just don’t see what people saw in Magic, bricking wide open pull up mid ranges on the fast real was normal for him. Steph hitting transition 3s is normal for him 🤷‍♂️ again I don’t get how Magic can be top 5 when LeBron is top 3 bare minimum and Magic is just a lot worse version of Bron. My top 5 would be 1. Bron (Change my mind almost daily between he and Mike) 2. Mike 3. Kareem 4. Bird 5. Duncan 6. Kobe 7. Shaq 8. Hakeem 9. Steph 10. Magic If Steph wins another ring he should almost unanimously be held over Magic in most lists in my opinion.

They could have but it was far from guaranteed, like 50-50. But getting KD secured their odds of winning.

Indeed. That narrative is so tired (and-in my opinion-wrong), especially now. But it does speak to how desperately Bron’s greatest supporters will fight to prop up his legacy.

@@gabriel-uc1uz they literally would have been the betting favorite

@@brandoncrockett9266 exactly

The couldn't have your cringey that you can't admit it

There’s only a 2-3 year stretch between 08-10 you could argue as he won 2 chips/2 FMVP & and MVP in that stretch. But no year was it undisputed.

not really kobe vs duncan is always really close and then by 2010 lebron had closed the gap as well.

you know for how legendary of a player kobe is in people's eyes and how he was a global icon, he seriously wasn't the 100% best player for that long like lebron. Like I would say 2006 he was and he was argued between him and lebron in 2009 and 2010. Duncan who is not even close to the popularity of Kobe was the best player for 2 years.

I believe when Kobe was going through the court stuff the media was just pushing to move on with him. Only problem he was to good to get brushed away like that. So many people swayed and brainwashed to thinking he wasn't that dude. He indeed was

Kobe vs Tim shouldn’t have been a real conversation. Kobe was the best player. Tim had the better team.

That’s tough, but Jordan and bron on the same team is unbeatable.. talk less of the rest of the squad

Agreed, the only person you can reasonably criticize for the move is KD himself. We can speculate all day what "could have happened" if the teams were different but nothing is guaranteed in sports.

If kyrie and kevin love didn't get injured and if kd never got out of okc the cavs would most probably win 4 straight championships.

@@blackmarlin3166 it took them 7 games in 2016 they were also down 3-1 and game 7 was close what makes you so sure they just win in 2015?

@@Kxsol1 becyase golden state in 2915 and golden state in 2916 is a huge gap in experience and stats. curry took a huge leap from 15 to 16 even if he had just won mvp.

@@Kxsol1 cavs has a better talent although the warriors has a better supporting cast, all the cavs need are role players that can shoot which they have.

That’s not happening lol. He has bron 9th in 2015 before the 3-1 comeback and he still has bron at 9th as he said 3 months ago rn. Once skip starts hating he don’t stop hating. It ain’t bout the accomplishments.

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He has absolutely zero credibility. He's admitted on TV that he hangs out with Mav Carter and Rich Paul. He's a LeBron FanBoy and groupie. It's a joke. The dude is literally wrong more then anyone on TV but because he can memorize a bunch of stats he fools people into thinking he knows hoops which he does not.

How does that impact Lebron’s legacy? Why ppl always loop in Lebron into everything

Doesn't that Enhance MJ's legacy and hurt Lebron's.

@@genofalconejr5717 he's not the only one that doesnt put th e96 bulls in there. and 83 76ers ran throught the playoffs better and had more talent on offense by far. but ht e2017 warriors are way beyond both. so its a fight for second.

Calling pachulia an impactful reliable replacement for bogut and then saying Draymond needed to calm down is definitely a very marginal change no?😂 KD most certainly tipped the scales sideways as we all saw lol

@@vidalrodriguez2001 that series was one sided until Draymond got suspended for game 5. It was going to be a sweep. I’m a Bron fan but they were lucky. Game 7 came down to Steph missing easy shots and even Klay. Guys are acting like the cavs we’re dominating. It was more like front running

@@goddy510 I mean we can see how dominant LeBron became even in the years following 2016, keeping Kyrie, maybe finding someone infinitely better than K-love, which if Lebron wasn’t playing GM all the time could’ve definitely happened. It wouldn’t be too far fetched to see that LeBron and the cavs win more if GS stayed as constructed. But then again why would golden state stay as constructed when they were able to clear enough cap space to get KD in the first place. No way golden state would stand pat anways, and that’s not a bad thing either, it’d be weird if both teams stayed static given the options that the TV deals gave teams at that time

@@goddy510 and yes the series was basically each team beating the other team easily up until game 7 that is true

He has Moses ahead of both.....they were in last weeks episode

@@zregory I was more referring to the caller in the Moses segment of the show that was my bad lol

1A kobe 1B lebron

I agree but you can make a case for Tim Duncan.

@@Lonewolf_665 it was back and forth, but I think Duncan had the crown longer than Kobe and clearly longer than LeBron from '04 to '11. Then it was LeBron for a full decade, until 2021 when LeBron got injured (and hasn't recovered completely) and Giannis dominated the playoff.

@@12gark as far as success goes, I agree with you. But, Kobe had absolute bums he was carrying to the playoffs n those mid 2000s when Timmy had his squad in its prime with at the time the GOAT coach

Side note: the 05-06 season when Kobe averaged 35 was in one of the lowest ppg seasons in NBA History. If you average the ppg scored across teams from that season and the season harden averaged 36 Kobe would have averaged 42 and was the best perimeter defender. Insanity

Agreed. Babe Ruth changed the way baseball was played. That shouldve been his comparison.

In my opinion, I would penalize him for that. I absolutely despise everyone jacking up 3s from the parking lot, 7 footers especially. I don't mind the 3 as a compliment to post play, but post play shouldn't disappear altogether. Thank heavens for Giannis is my feeling on it.

Nah. Timmy was miles ahead defensively, in durability, success and was the undisputed alpha in 3 chips teams and the defensive anchor for 4. Probably wins fmvp if the spurs close out the Heat in 2013 and lost a lot of his stats and possible accolades due to his load management.

I think his point was a single great RS during those stretches doesn't knock off the incumbent. Similarly to how he doesnt have KD in between Lebron and Giannis. By saying only 13 people have carried that torch, I am assuming he has parameters that limit a single great season but rather you needed to do it over a long stretch. Sahq then Kobe and Duncan were widely seen as the 3 best players in the League in the 2000s

@@javinc1 KD didn't get mentioned cause he's never been the best for one full year. Also, KG had more than just a regular season, he played very well in those playoffs too, his team was just garbage, similar story with David Robinson.

They went from the East to the West in the 1980-81 season when Dallas joined the NBA.

The NBA was nuts back then. The Spurs were once in the East, also.

@@aaronjackson9385 Kareem won his first ring as a West team with the Bucks lol

@@12gark yea i know. They were Western Conference along with Chicago and STL snd others. At least those teams were firmly entrenched in the Midwest. It makes no sense that two teams(Houston, SA) in the deep Southwest would ever be a part of the Eastern Confetence

Made before this obviously

@@sambafarl700 Obviously. Im saying next top 50 list should include Cassius Klay

Lol he’s made 3rd team all nba like once

The dude is a role player with like only 1 3rd all nba

This what I’m talking about when y’all just tally mark rings for ranking 😂 klay didn’t play good this finals. But since he got a +1 on his rings he goes up in rankings 😂

Any mayor accolade puts him over whoever is next. Best would be another mvp or fmvp but a chip and all nba selection would still do it for mpst

And woulda made the playoffs the second year if it weren’t for the play in tournament

So you would put curry over russel and wilt?

@@Fraudkovic No. I and likely Nick Wright would have both Russell and Wilt ahead of Curry. That would kick Curry out of the top 10 and upset people like Pablo Torre who have Curry closer to the top 5 than top 15.

@@IxcaC people like Pablo are currysexuals can't be objective whatsoever they're just like kobe fans who think their favourite player is better than lebron so it's best not to give them attention

Objectively speaking, how is Curry’s accolades not better than Wilt’s? And if he truly isn’t better than Wilt, all things considered, what can he actually do to prove he his?

@@ayoomisope6563 well no. Wilt has 2 rings 1 fmvp(should've had 2 but the award wasn't even there when he won his first ring) 4 mvps(should've had more) 7 scoring titles 11 rebounding titles 1 assists title. Rookie of the year .3 more all nba 1st teams than curry . 2x all defensive first teams . And all the stat records are the cherry on top. So curry might have 2 more rings but the totality of wilts individual accolades dwarf steph pretty heavily.

Idk man. Above Duncan? Steph has to have another amazing season for that

@@user-xv1sr3uy7p i can understand the debate but if I’m picking a player I’m taking Steph every time. Both are great teammates and willing to defer to teammates when needed but Steph just so much of a killer imo. Definitely can make the argument for Timmy tho. I think Hakeem is a wider margin tho. Think Steph is far and away above Hakeem even tho he’s amazing as well

@@CATxINxTHExHATx6 Bro, no. Duncan is easily top 5, arguably top 3. You need to reconsider your list.

@@CATxINxTHExHATx6 I agree with those other players but you seriously underrating Duncan.

@@kingad8869 i don’t think seriously underrating cause whatever spot Steph falls in, i believe Timmy is the spot behind. But I understand why you would think he’s over Steph. I think they’re pretty interchangeable based on preference. But yeah one more year like this and i think Steph takes the clear lead

But center along with small forward are the most loaded positions, historically.

@@aaronjackson9385 I agree it’s just usually with the how the other positions work we really don’t look much past top three right like we think about it as if we are making the all time all NBA teams and once you are not top three all the time at your position it’s hard for you to be viewed the same and given a certain level of credit. with the center position we are willing to go five deep but that still isn’t enough to include Moses in most cases

@@michaellipscomb3832 very well said. I agreed. Its kind of like how great RBs i. The NFL get lost in thr shuffle because they are so many of them. No one really acknowledges Chuck Foreman, William Andrews, Wilbur Montgomery etc....

Abdul Jabbar or Hakeem could do nothing with Moses. Hakeem closed out Shaq 4-0.