Curtis Yarvin's Clear Pill (Mencius Moldbug) 

I'm dead ...

A foreign, mercantile elite hostile to the native people of the nations they now rule over is ascendent, they have completely inverted the traditional morality and turned culture into nihilistic hedonism, engaged in inconoclasm, domestically canabalizing the nations demographically while waging empirial wars for i5real. I hate to black-pill but this is late-stage Empire. The Caesars came in the 19th and 20th centuries in Napoleon and Hitler, and were both expressly put down.

​@@judgeholden849 Wait, what kind of elite is this? I know that we have a mercantile elite, but I didn't know that it was foreign... For the uninitiated, could you please go into greater detail and identify this elite?

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@@maginator3571 he's talking about the tiny hats.

Similar feelings from me re: “our guys” and not being a huge fan overall. I do think this is a good insight: politically stable success is historically based on “unifiers”, not moralistic victory nor centrist compromise

Agreed this is yarvin’s greatest insight. An all powerful state enhabits all “parties” within it. If a unmovable mover is truly unmovable, it has no need to be tyrannical or cruel to those that do not like it because they could not possibly move it, it would be like punching a brick wall

he can't keep getting away with that

accurate

Such a telling comparison. The two names you know.

The writ of government doesn’t run terribly far in South Africa. Some people are totally locked down in the suburbs. But the peri-urban poor are still mixing freely, and so the whole thing is a farce. Might still work in a less porous country.

@@seanpennatgmail Sure. I mean, there's always Yarvin's notion of "the art of being governed". However, I think my point still stands - there has been an enormous amount of public disagreement within the executive and the NCC which has led to widespread confusion about what the rules really are. Regardless of enforcement capacity, the very top of the pyramid is as crumbly as its base. I think that ultimately the central element is one of consciousness and earnest spiritual commitment. Without that, its just Rashomon with an African cast.

@ThisnThatPackRat I think you're projecting my guy.

well south Africa is a zombie nation so.. it doesn't matter either way. they were already crumbling

I'm imagining what it's like to be retarded, and I bet my brain would fixate deeply on something like this and then be compelled to make a comment about it.

@Based Department hello, based department? Oh wait, you're already here

@Based Department This

"um UM"

Im sure you are the kind of person that tells other people that people have told you that they think you have an old soul

Yeah, super distracting

This was actual the best I've seen him speak, it's usually worse. Like his writings though.

@@christopherlee5380 I generally like him though I have my criticisms, but his ticks get almost as annoying as Zizek when you become aware of them.

He sort of answered his own question there, didn't he?

Fairly accurate.

Is that so?

Well that's even better ! Plot twist, double bluff.

You also like dictatorships?

@@OjoRojo40 sometimes. As a metaphor, I apply a dictatorship model to computer science assignments when my team is falling behind. Somehow we end up being in a position where everything is falling apart, but i have the ability to take control of the product and tweak it to fix issues i know fail to fit the user acceptance criteria. I scrap their scattered inconsistent UI design and make every page of the app conform to one design standard that i make and implement. I remove redundant features that stakeholders didn't ask for and streamline the userflow so users don't stray and end up with errors. I decide what areas of the app end-users can access to restrict error, to strive for perfection. I don't allow them to see the back end code because i choose what they see and don't see. dunno if that would scale up tho lol.

@@intredastingvideos9365 That does not scale up not because it is not an effective management system but because there is not a consensus with respect to the frame of society.

@@sadface7457 yeah i didn't think it would lol. but i still like moldbug and his takes. whether or not people think his ideas are taken from dictatorships, it's good to hear organic voices and not just stock left-right spectrum or common authoritarian-libertarian stuff.

@@intredastingvideos9365 So what you like is to be THE DICTATOR. Would you like the same but reversed? Would you be OK with having to be the slave? Thanks for you time!

based

Literally two days before nobody would have come to this. It was on the night of February 28.

@@JustinMurphy Thank you for the info :3

@@JustinMurphy Well HE wouldn't for sure. Don't know what population you surveyed.

Oh fuk off

The best part is when Justin tells Moldbug that he knows what he is talking about, but not the audience.

Materially though there is no separation, suggesting that the world as it is is both that as it is in our minds and our interpretations, and not.

@@TheTylrBllmn I’m not sure I understand what you mean by materially there is no separation. Our perceptions and interpretations do influence how we interact in the world and you can also extrapolate it to ideologies and all the rest.

@@ivanherrera4235 The theory and the thing which is theorized about both exist in the same space. There is no cave. The mind is not separate from the world and the world itself is material hence the mind must also be material, meaning interpretations and perceptions, though not identical to that which is interpreted or perceived, are nonetheless just as real and "here" as these material circumstances interpreted into ideological frameworks. Everything is true in some sense. The ideological glasses show both a true vision of the world, and a false one, both being equally true, as true as the world itself.

@@TheTylrBllmn there is a cave otherwise we would have known about quantum mechanics from the beginning. Atoms exist and yet we cannot perceive them, quantum mechanics is the theory as to how they work and the proof of the cave is the theory was written over generations of scientists through experiments and what they mean.

@@TheTylrBllmn The mind is not material, the mind is consciousness.

Duck dynasty

Nouveau riche

@MeinLuciFuhrer You imagine river, its neither resisting nor submitting to the landscape, it just flows.

Karl Popper doesn’t accept that.

@@artandculture5262 why?

1880s.

1580s....

"How democracy can be good AND politics can be bad" relating to a previous point that democratizing an issue IS politicizing an issue.

@@yankeebanksy2108 Thank you.

I took it to mean that democracy necessitates politics/a political culture (and considering what bad shape that culture is in, maybe democracy doesn’t look so appealing)

@@h.astley2113 Don't think that's what he meant from what i remember, I think earlier in the full event he said more or less what i described before but I'm not certain it's been a while since I watched. Frankly just watch the whole interview/convo, it was one of Justin's best.

Dude... Do you even ontologize?

I see no similarity with Moldbug and Schopenhaur. Can you explain?

@@AggroChip Esoteric doomer mindset with no hope in sight.

@@givemedeath6502 maybe the no hope part. Throwing in "esoteric" has no real meaning. There's no similarity between their philosophies. That's if you can even call Moldbug a philosopher.

Well, they're doing precisely what Curtis appears to believe is impossible: changing the culture. They own the media, tech companies, and universities in every meaningful way. That gives them the power to spread propaganda, the power to determine which ideas are acceptable on the internet's largest platforms, and the power to indoctrinate. They have power in all the ways that actually matter.

This is fucking a masterclass on how to say absolutely nothing in 20 minutes.. and pretend you’re smart.

Bennie Blanks Curtis never said it was impossible read his letters he describes this power base they have as the cathedral. He compares hate speech to the crime of heresy by the Catholic Church in medieval Europe.

@ThisnThatPackRat Have you been asleep for the past four years? Trump just barely won and things have gotten much worse since.

boost lol

*snorts* *touches nose and wipes on side of face* *adjusts loosely fitting casual collar shirt* "And So on, and so on"

@@altvibr 😂🤣🤣🤣👌🏾 precisely. Curtis Yarvin / Mencius Moldbug is smart n has great ideas just as Zizek does, but his "Uhmmmss..." can be a bit distracting. Maybe not as distracting as Zizek's ticks, but they both have some obvious idyisyncrasies and exciting ideaological perspectives that would be lovely to see explode in an exchange of ideas and physical awkwardness.

​@@blackasinc yeah true. I almost would rather see it in written form or something. It would be cool to see two authors with differing ideas come together in a book so they could correspond with citations, and more in-depth research. Allowing both sides to actually pick apart the examples or source material by reading it themselves and then responding would even further expunge the discussion away from banter into even possibly academia.

@@altvibr now you see that sounds like some next level shit, because during a debate people present ideas and data to support it, but the source is never dug into or discusse more than superficially. They just talk at each other presenting different facts. I would love a beginning middle and and end where both jointly come to a conclusion to agree or disagree based on reasonable evidence supporting their conclusions. This would still leave room for reader to make their own mind up or look into those sources themselves. I actually like knowing what sources an author or intellectual is referencing. Good idea man, not sure of it's been done. I guess when two people write book together as experts in different fields or even the same simit's similar, but I'm sure these two has very different ideas from one topic to another.

He’s just autistic and not a skilled speaker.

I felt similiarly. I think he was talking off the topics he knew best towards the end. He absolutely messed up his explanation of Optimates and Populares, and thus totally misapplied the terms in American Politics, which is really sad. Because the Duality of those philosophies is actually the BEST way of understanding what the heck happened over the past 4 years in America. Optimates vs. Populares is not blue vs. red, it wasn't Bernie vs. Trump... It was EVERYONE IN THE POLITICAL CLASS (+BLM) vs. MAGA. IF you want a break down, lemme know.

@@a.d.3606 I would like a breakdown

@@boc413 The Optimates of ancient Rome were basically the elites who viewed that power was best controlled through the 'managers' (landowners, higher ranks of military, the clan leaders, etc.) The Populares were those who believed power was wielded through the masses (the plebs, the lower rank soldiers, etc.) Its important to note that neither group was really interested in 'sharing' power with their power bases. They just saw them as tools to consolidate their power. Also, the Populare basically would have used what we call 'populism' nowadays to coerce the 'masses', but that doesn't mean the Populare are genuinely or authentically 'populists' at all. So with that, here's the breakdown of America with this frame work. Bernie Sanders basically has been a populist (or maybe even a populare) on the left wing for most of his career. But his populist approach ended up threatening the Optimate control of the Democrat party in 2016, represented by Hillary Clinton's candidacy. This is why the Democrat Optimates used all of their mechanisms of gatekeeper power to essentially cut Bernie's balls back then, and they made sure he had no chance in 2020 either. This way, the America's elites maintain control of the Democrats to ensure that populism doesn't threaten elite control from the left. Trump and his Maga movement kind of stormed the gates of the Republican party. Remember that the main candidate of 2016 was the prime Optimate of the Republicans as well: Jeb Bush. But Trump obliterated the Optimate control of the Republican party. All the networks of Republican Optimates were disrupted, because suddenly, you have Maga 'plebs' winning primaries in republican areas, beating out the the choices of the Republican establishment who need those lower 'management' positions controlled for their party to be useful to the Optimates. That's basically why Trump's presidency, for better or worse, was constantly attacked and undermined by the corporate and government institutions and the deep state(i.e. news corprations, intelligence agencies, etc...) because all of those institutions for decades have been under Optimate control. For a Populare like Trump to have seized power, represented not just the threat of him going around those institutions power structures, but also of gradually replacing the individuals within it with people loyal to his populist movement (rather than the Optimate power structure). And that's why Trump for example, relied so heavily on Populare power techniques. Like using Twitter to appeal directly to the masses. Or saying viral things that would get views on youtube and such. And lets even talk about how the Optimates and the Populare undermine elections. The American Optimates used Optimate power to try to annul the 2016 election by using their gatekeeping institutional power by creating a bullshit conspiracy theory that Trump was a Russian agent. They used the corporate media and the intelligence services, and lawyers to peddle this nonsense to directly speak to the management class who cared about that kind stuff. Meanwhile, the average American probably didn't really care or even understand everything about Russiagate. Meanwhile, Trump and the 'stop the steal' movement is the opposite. He used Populist power to try to annul the 2020 election by using mass communication and 'people power' to get average normies, especially in the Maga movement, to simply believe that the election was fraudulent. It doesn't really rely on any corporate media, or any instiution. Its mainly focused on podcasts and youtube personalities trying to rally up his base of support to harass officials into investigating the election. I can go on and on about all this. lol but I'll cut myself here for now.

@@a.d.3606 This has been a wonderful read bro great job

You should unmute your volume.

Do you always judge people based on vague feelings, or do you test their ideas?

@@mouwersor Come off it, fanboye. It's called intuition and it's perfectly explained by evolutionary psychology. "Feelings" aren't always as irrational as you materialists think they are, they are often instinctual and tend to be useful in social contexts. It is downright autistic to believe every single thing anyone says until you've tried it yourself, people didn't evolve those "vague feelings" just for shits and giggles.

Examples?

Are you aware of who the dude is? It's not like he's a cryptofascist, he is very openly anti democratic and supports handing absolute power over to a corporate dictator. Have you watched the whole talk?

@@JK-hr6py yes and I've read all of his latest work. He doesn't really have any prescriptive ideas-- such as fascism. Well, he does romanticize formalism but it's too abstract to get anywhere. Recently he mostly goes on about the problems of unaccountable governments and a renditiom of Vaclav Havel's detachment theory. Just because ideas are unfamiliar and seemingly threatening doesn't make them fascistic. He just weaves a different narrative from hardly fringe sources in order to better observe the nature of power.

@@JK-hr6pyGadaffi a dictator but he wasn't a fascist at all. Seems like you've got things mixed up.

Not a fan of his but he doesnt believe in violent politics. Fascism isnt politics