As far as jedi precognition goes, it’s worth noteing that Custodian captain general Constantin Valdor massacred psychically linked blade masters of Thousad sons legion who each have precognition in 1 vs 30 fight.
A Thousand Sons by Graham McNeill Also, not all Thousand Sons are precogs, some specialize in other forms of psychic abilities. The cults of the Thousand Sons meant they had specialists who could summon fire, lightning, create force shields, see the future, etc. That means that not all of them had Precognition. Also, the Custodes had the Sisters of Silence as back-up, so I don't think that's a fair argument to make.
Blasters don't vaporize targets the ones that do are a type of weapon called disruptors but they're considered rare and illegal weapons during the republic era soo the clones don't have them. also it's blatantly established that jedi and siths actually aren't anymore durable than non-force users since they've shown time and time to die just as easily when they get hit same thing with their physical strength
*Darth Vader getting thrown by the equivalent a nid bio titan and flying straight through multiple fucking buildings and landing, and in the same story getting flung from the top of a skyscraper sided dam and instantly repairing his broken machine bits* Yeah standard human durability right there mhm And then theres the fact that dc-15s (standard clone rifle) while certainly not capable of vaporizing targets still blast open the chests of b2 battle droids These guys can be airdropped by a gunship flying over mach 5 without any issue and have even survived landslides without much issue So please remember that
And on to this even standard dc-15s have shown the ability to blow open the torsos of b2 battle droids, which are durable to survive being airdropped by a gunship going well over mach 5 without any form of protection for the droids And this isn't like lasguns super heating bodily fluids to cause an explosion since ya know....droids
@@brendandonohue2398 you do know that darth vader is literally a cyborg right? He survived all that because he's more machine than man not because of the force. Except it doesn't we have many instances of B-1s getting hit and not exploding along with organic individuals like clonetroopers including unharmored individuals getting hit and not exploding. I highly doubt they move that fast when moving with their doors open otherwise the pilots and clones would become a red stain.
@@XD-sc4ix b2s not b1s And 2nd that's cause clone armor is meant to...well stop the whole explosion thing by dispersing the plasma whatever (sci fi jargin) And your an idiot because if you read it correctly you noticed I said DROIDS heavily armored droids being dropped by gunships without the aid of drop.pods (they are literally just strapped to the belly of the ship) These gunships for your info are actually fully autonomous droids with no need for a pilot
4:05 Determining character's speed from the projectiles they dodge/block is NONSENSE. Let's say a bullet is fired from 50 metres at a character that then moves by 1 meter to dodge it, that bullet can be 50 times faster and still miss, and that's assuming that this character will politely wait for the gun aimed at him to fire in the first place. I mean, I have heard many times about soldiers ducking just in time to avoid gunfire, yet none of them were even close to bullet speed
That's always been a huge pet peeve of mine, this argument massively highballs speed. It also usually doesn't account for things like tracking where the weapon is pointed at and reacting before the trigger is pulled They're both still insanely fast, but closer to 50-100 mph than FTL, with reaction times around the 5 ms mark for Custodes, and precognition for Jedi. It's insane compared to a human, but far from light speed.
Yeah but for jedi it's actually arguably with a combo of precog and the fact Vader can catch blaster bolts from less then a room distance away casually while holding a convo Of course this acknowledges vader is insane and frankly curbstomps any custodes like they ain't shit
They aren't even lasers. They're bolts of imagnitized on gas superheated to plasma. They only fire at a speed of about 130 mph. That's off of lightspeed by a factor of about 5 million.
And the Jedi still have it? This isn't asking Jedi Vs. Custodes without the force these are Jedi with the force, with their precognition. @@voomvoom4522
Regular jedi can be the most goated thing ever... or just get bodied by people they shouldnt. The emotional side of the force can be the biggest amp or nerf for fights. Hopefully in this fight they are a little more on the "consistent" side
That first sentence can also be said about both a Custodian and Space Marine. On paper they should be invincible, yet there are some deaths sound like they straight up shouldn’t have happened
@@azureheart2846 I remember a custodian in the siege of terra got killed by a traitor guardsman with a plasma pistol from behind as they were too busy fighting traitor astartes. The way I see it, unpredictable things happen in war and despite how powerful a Space Marine or Custodian is they're not invincible and could get killed by anything if unlucky enough like how a Word Bearer got killed by some tribal with a wooden spear in "The First Heretic."
@@RogueVindicare Mind you he still ripped the spearman into 3 pieces and then continued to complain about his death until he died, and could have survived with medical treatment.
We've seen writers in both franchise hype up Jedi and Custodes to the extreme, and we've also seen writers in both franchise show them being absolute trash. Personally I feel like the average Custodian would beat the average Jedi, but the top players among the Jedi would beat the top Custodes. Constantin Valdor is amazing and would wipe the floor with Mace, but I'm not sure if he can handle Grandmaster Luke.
@@Mikazuchireborn That depends on what abilities Luke allows himself to use. The issue with Jedi vs Space Marines is that unlike Sith, some Jedi tend to hold themselves back in what they can do. Where as Sith fight more like imperial Psykers/Librarians. But I wouldnt be surprised if Constantin is faster than Luke in terms of reflexes. His only saving grace would be his force abilities at a distance.
@@jjoohhnn6065 issue is Oryx just fucking ragdolls literally anyone who doesn't have high level hacks, outside of MAYBE Magnus none of the primarchs can even touch him, same with literally every single physical fighter
So Jedi wins if open area, at range, and is aware the Custodes is present and Custodes wins if he gets anywhere within 5 meters of the Jedi? It sounds a bit more like the Custodes are the superior warrior and the Jedi win if they cheese it.
another thing to mention: a lot of jedi rely on blocking projectiles but we know if the attempt to block a physical projectile with their lightsaber the slag burns them
Nope "The compound flooded with smoke and flame, with flashes of blaster bolts and snarls of hypersonic slugs. Mace paced through it all with relentless calm, his only expression a slight frown of concentration, his blades weaving an impenetrable web of lightning. He gave more and more of himself over to the Force, letting it move his hands, his feet, letting it guide him through the battle" Shatterpoint, wanna know it's important, the prologue is signed by George lucas
@@phil3751 Jedi and their lightsaber physics varies from story to story. Sometimes regular bullets would just disappear, other times it would create fragments. A bolt shell still goes boom however and is significantly larger than a regular bullet.
4:54 A blaster bolt from Star Wars is slower than a bullet, but they are used more because the armor in Star Wars can deflect bullets, while a blaster gun can melt through armor and just needs a energy cell, which can fire hundreds of rounds before you need to reload. However, a gun that fires bullets is still effective against a jedi due to the speed and the fact that when the bullet is sliced by a lightsaber, it still goes towards the Jedi as melted shrapnel. From what I've been told, Jedi can become more effective at dodging and countering enemies that use it. But due to the fact that so few people actually use those compared to blasters, a lot of Jedi don't have experience with fighting that type of weapon, so a good chunk of them would struggle.
Also a bolt round is explosive. If a Jedi blocks a bolt round it will explode causing concussive damage and scattering shrapnel everywhere. Blocking a bolt round is a bad idea.
Blaster shots are almost the speed of light, there are countless statements about it. it is a fictional universe, it does not have to adhere to real natural laws.
Pretty sure the Shatterpoint novel co-written by George Lucas states blaster bolts travel at mach 5 which is 3x faster than the fastest bullet. It’s also stated to hit with the blunt force impact of a .50cal.
Actually, in the multiple star wars books, a blaster bolt is told to be a literal beam of light, that travels at the speed. So yeah, blaster bolt are moving at the speed of light, and or faster
While I agree with result, I want to point out several additional factors, which can decide results of a fight First of all - power of a Jedi very dependant not only on their mental state, but also on global state of universe. I totally can see Custodes brutalise civilians to have Jedi lose control (can have accidentals, some Jedi are stronger when pissed). And, if combat happening in 40k universe, Jedi would be pretty much paralyzed by constant death at least on Alderaan scale. Just a thing that should be said before combat. Second, telekinesis pretty consistently required from Jedi a lot of concentration, and shown to be very slow to use. I think it is as hard to Jedi to use telekinesis in this combat, as it is for custodian to hit with a boltfire
Going by that, it almost sounds like the Jedi would religiously view the WH4K Universe as hell, not just the warp but the entire galaxy itself. And on that note how would a Sith, assuming they don’t pledge themselves to the Chaos Gods, react to WH40K?
@@zombieminecraft4213 They would probably get possessed by a daemon in short order. The problem with the warp is that things live there and are drawn to people with power.
An important thing to note is how the power weapons work, I don't know the whole science but a good video has been done that goes into detail about what would happen in a power blade met a lightsabre. The blade would go right through the sabre but the second it does the sabre would go right back to full size. So the custodes could kill the Jedi in one strike because they won't know that their sabres wouldn't be able to block an attack. At least that's what I say about it.
I have to disagree. Average Jedi have never been able to consistently show the levels of speed, durability, or skill needed to take down a Custodian. These guys can fight psykers, literal reality-warping wizards, with ease, and your average psyker has far more in their arsenal than telekinesis. If a Jedi throws the Custodian around, he’ll probably be able to tank it. A Custodian could most likely just power through a force choke with ease. Personally, because of the fact that you got Jedi speed wrong and the fact that Custodians are so ridiculously powerful, I think a Custodian would win. Even if we take the best of each order, say Anakin and Valdor, I’d still give it to the Custodes since Valdor can solo 30 Space Marine Psykers that are all mind-locked together and would be able to speed blitz Anakin, even if he can see it coming.
Most of the time Custodians bring the Sisters of Silence with them when fighting Psykers, and the force is far more reliable and effective than using the warp. The average Jedi is like a high level Psyker, and the masters of the Jedi Order are paragons of the force with insane feats of inhuman abilities that do make this fight fair. If you look at Jedi/Sith feats in the novels, comics, and legends characters like Palpatine, Luke Skywalker, Anakin Skywalker, Yoda, Mace Windu, ect can smash primarchs.
@@sercravenmohead3631smashing a primarch would likely depend on wich primarch they're fighting against, like ferrus or fulgrim would get dogged by Master jedi, but on The other hand, primarchs like konrad who can see The future, or Magnus who is on a different tier of psyker would probably put up a decent fight against The Legends variants or in Konrad's case would probably beat some Master jedi, as he can see The future and all. I could Be wrong tho, since I've never read The comics.
Wouldn’t a better battle comparison be the Jedi vs the Grey Knights? They both have metaphysical powers, and they both are very skilled. So why not them?
The real "Weakest Custodes not worthy to guard one of technical toilets on Terra vs Anakin Skywalker in his 20s level jedi" ends within few seconds with custodian's unquestionable victory and jedi's brutal death.
Kal Kestis, not even the level of Darth Maul, freezing the custodes in place (he did this to 30 men at once, and routinely uses on multiton objects) then proceeding to turn him into transhuman kibab cause he insulted his Goth girlfriend
@@phil3751 custodes are not regular humans and probably will not be even stopped for a second with such level of telekinesis. They have opposed sorcery far beyond that and overcame it.
@@magosbiologiszhessnakram8530 thru sisters of battle, also 40k magic is weak to will. A non-psykic person with a strong enough will and faith can overpower warp powers. The easiest proof of this is Fabius Bile just straight up refusing to acknowledge demons as actual beings gives him a resistance to their attacks
@@magosbiologiszhessnakram8530 Also Kal Kestis feats still pale to legends. Anakin at the start of the clone wars moved capital ships into one another. Yarral Poof stopping planet destroying explosions, etc
Here is the thing the average Custodes would kill an average Jedi. In a real battle they would both take escorts and the sisters of silence would be a hard counter to the Jedi and Jedi are not that stupid so they’ll just avoid each other.
Not really. The force isnt the warp but assuming they both work similarly then the jedi do just run The real question is could a star destroyer beat a 40k ship and the answer is yes easily
@@connormcgehee9349 You smoking the good stuff my friend, a star destroyer is smaller then the smallest escort vessels in 40k. Hell it's smaller then 90% of civilian ships in 40k, the average length of a star destroyer is 1.6 KM's and is a capital ship. 40k captial ships reach upwards of 28 KM's long.
@@NastyStankyChicken star destroyers have shields that desintegrate smaller ships and allow them to tank nuclear level fire. They also have nuclear level fire as star destroyer turbolazers canonically have the blast power of a nuke. Sw ships are smaller but exponentially better
@@connormcgehee9349 Buddy macro canons fire at near speed of light with massive shells, macro canon fire is in the terratons. Absolutely putting anything in star wars to shame in firepower. Nuclear bombs are nothing in 40k when ships fire out black holes and miniature supa novas.
@@NastyStankyChicken oh what maybe 1 ship fores blackholes? Thats craaaazy cause theres a sw ship that tanked flying thru a black hole in the comics lol Also macrocannons dont fire "near light speed" theyre combustion cannons which sw shields entirely desentigrate lol Your ships are big hulking targets for sw ships with better shields and guns lol
This is so unfair in many ways have you guys forgotten order 66 where the clones brutally killed most jedi? Heck Custodians fights demons chaos space marines and etc and they are outnumber 1000 to 1 and they still do insane amount of damage. Have you guys also forgotten the way in the emperor's broken science project? Force choke 😅 where basic psyckers can already do that and throw lightning at you. Look at you.
Order 66 was also a plan where many supposed allies of the Jedi were killed in ambush. This wasn't a 1 vs 1 situation. completely different scenario. If 5 crustodes fight against a jedi, the 5 would probably win. But in a 1 vs 1, force power is simply too much of an advantage. That's also the reason why the Emperor packed the Crusodes and the Sisters of Silence together as a team. the sisters against psykers and supernatural powers with their zero field and the crustodes just for chopping. In a fair 1 vs 1, the Jedi wins thanks to their force power.
Did you forget that the Jedi were betrayed by an entire army in the middle of war? A lot of them were literally shot in the back. Some had their vehicles shot down, also in the back.
You must’ve forgotten when 3 Harlequins bodied a bunch of Custodians at the golden throne, not even the elite variant of an harlequin. I know for a fact those would get rocked by Jedi.
@@sercravenmohead3631 You must have forgotten that the author has clarified numerous times that he had no clue about the custodies at the time and thought they were regular humans, this was written before they had actually released on tabletop and not of established lore had been created. He thought they were the lucifer blacks an elite regiment of the imperial guard that protect the Emperor on terra. That's not all though, Harlequins are the elite of the Eldar and would easily destroy Jedi in a fight. A shadowseer bodies 90% of star wars EU included, a Solitaire wipes both Star Wars and EU no diff.
@@NastyStankyChicken by tabletop 1 custodian witch hunter is 15 points while 10 kriegers is worth 65. A single custodes is weak as fuck lol Also 1 shield CAPTAIN is worth 10 points less then a measly 20 kriegers
I have a nid pick. It's pretty much nonsense, determining the speed of someone by what projectiles they dodged. 1. A shot can easily miss even if you do nothing. 2. Even normal soldiers in our world manage to duck just in time to avoid the shots. That doesn't make them anywhere near bullet speed.
For your second point either the soldiers were far away or they moved before the weapon was shot. Otherwise we might have the fastest man alive on our hands
@@Idksleep-mh7tq or more likely people who can't aim. Which is ignored almost every time. Even a trained soldier can miss shots which is never taken into account
Yeah but take into account feats like Obi-wan deflecting heavy blaster fire 360 degrees in the revenge of the Sith novel of when Vader caught Han Solo’s blaster bolt with his hand standing 20ft away.
This would definitely need to be DoomGuy from the 90s, but if so I agree! Just two gleefully murderous protagonists circle strafing each other for an hour.
genetically augmented life inside armour that turns it into a tank with the only mission to kill anything that isn't part of its own race, I think they would be friends
I would like to call upon the old republic videos where sith acolytes were getting bodied by regular dudes in armor, so if those acolytes took on regular jedi and killed them but got bodied regular dudes. What's stopping a custodes from ripping one in half before the jedi realized what happened?
Yeah that is why I think force users being FTL and planet destroying is BS sure you have some like Palpatine who just does that it's undeniable but 99.99% of force users can be killed by a skilled bounty hunter or by a group of people blasting at them
I believe that during that time, since there where so many more force users, the generally power vested in each user was much lower, if that makes sense. Later, with the sith being the greatest example, the rule of two made them much more powerful
This was pretty good analysis and perception. Expanded Universe Jedi and Force users are the best to use to fight Warhammer 40k characters. The average Jedi whose powerful in the EU should be able to keep up with Custodes.
Only if you pick high end feats and ignore everything else. Space Marines move like blurs as is and the vast majority of them dont hold a candle to low ranking Custodes who consistently blocks hypersonic bolt rounds and laser beams with their spears. A Jedi would struggle to win more often against a Marine without a power weapon.
@turikazurikaz6730 The same can be said about custodes and space marines. theres always low and high feats for every thing in every seires especially with how inconsistent 40k is
@@shademandude712 These are good points objectively you have brought up. Let's not forget how Astartes can fall to some well trained Imperial Guardmen and Ogryns according to lore on occasion. Decades of conditioning a Astartes and a century of experience to suddenly be brought low and humbled by lesser forces can happen in Warhammer 40k just like it does for Jedi and Sith in the Star Wars Expanded Universe. Kotor 2 demonstrated how to define that pretty good. Though there are many who do push pass those issues. Though the most embarrassing defeat on the Warhammer 40k side I seen that made little sense is three Eldar Harlequins who were not mentioned to be Solitaires or some grand Master level Eldar elite individuals easily killed multiple Custodes like a dozen of them within the Imperial Palace their home turf where they trained daily and proceed to claim they want an alliance even after killing that many Custodes who take decades to replace and had no real good plan for this situation. Nor was there any good justified set up to demonstrate how they had the capability of killing so many Custodes easily. For guys who are supposed to have the strength to handle a 100 tons physically and the reaction speed nearly that of a fighter jet losing to three Harlequins without presenting a challenge in that quantity is really bad. So was the time when a World Eater killed a Custodes with his bare hands. If there was a Solitaire it would have made better sense they were able to down that many Custodes so effectively without difficulty as those guys are very powerful enough to kill Greater Daemons and slay Eversors. The other Harlequins should have had more difficulty.
@@shademandude712 40k inconsistency is a meme and not really based on much. Every fictional universe is inconsistent, and the one that gets to talk about it the least is Star Wars. The most consistent about Star Wars is its weaker showings, which people from other sci-fis are just generous to ignore. And it doesnt really matter, because if someone uses a video game feat for Space Marines, and I use the movies for Jedis, the Jedi still isnt going to stomp the Marine, and the Custodes doesnt have a visual showing and is heads and tails above the Marine.
bro which jedi's are you talking about? are these from the comics because I remember in the movies regular guys with guns just surrounded them and they got smoked.
Yea I call this the wank of the dragons balls effect, it’s when comic writers decide to add dragon ball power scaling for fun to a relatively powerful but not anime like series in terms of power scaling such as Transformers when Megaton fought a being with the power of an entire evil universe powering it or in Star Wars where you’ve got Jedi that can move black holes and blow up planets with a wave of their hand or even the Sonic comics with characters being able to alter an infinite multiverse.
That kind of power scaling is so dumb, any black library writer could make a 40k character do that but then they just wouldn't be interesting and hurt the overall narrative. Ahriman can move black holes, destroy planets and manipulate fate itself and the fabric of reality but he has to make preparations, use foresight and partake in schemes that can take centuries which is what makes it really cool to read when all his plans come together (sometimes over multiple books, ahriman trilogy was awesome) Just being able to do something ridiculously overpowered at any time without any good reason because the writer wants their character to be cool just isn't fun in my eyes.
@@RogueVindicare Yea I agree but this all these crazy overpowered feats are mainly coming from writers who probably don’t think that their obscure comics will get that many readers so they just add crazy power scaling to their work for fun.
I think that your result is fairly accurate. If we are talking about just cannon I think it’s a win to the custodies more times then not but we are taking legends into account so Jedi are a bit more powerful. I think the faster then light thing isn’t really all there. Slug throwers are fairly effective agains Jedi in Star Wars so bolters would be as if not more so. Also believe that in said battle on prospero (I hope I spelled that correctly) many custodies fought people with precognition. Also the part about on average having 2x experience would be higher by a bit. But all in all I think you are right about it being situational. I even think space marines could pull a win depending on the situation.
I feel like a Sith would be a better matchup since they are explicitly the powerhouses of force users unlike the Jedi who seek enlightenment first and strength to defend themselves second. A Sith and a Custodes are closer simply due to the fact that they are both designed solely to kill shit and subjugate galaxies.
I actually think interesting fights should be: The Swarmlord vs pretty much most of RwBy’s heavy hitters. Kenjaku vs Vilitch from Warhammer Fantasy (they both literally steal bodies) Megatron vs Ultron The Elder Gods (From Transformers) vs Unicron and Primus D-Void (Transformers) vs Dharkon
I’ve actually got a strange but interesting matchup for team RWBY. Team RWBY: Ruby Rose, Yang Xiao Long, Blake Belladonna and Weiss Schnee. Vs Team Soulsborne: The Hunter (Bloodborne), The Ashen One (Dark Souls 3), Sekiro/Wolf (Sekiro: Shadows Die Twice) and Carlio Giuseppe/Pinocchio (Lies of P).
@@ShadyWizardudewait until you see all the crossover stories that they both have on a certain site about crossovers. Warhammer has more crossovers with RWBY than anything else and with RWBY, Warhammer takes the 5th spot.
I will never understand of how the jedi and sith could measure up to even the weakest of space marine librarians. outside of the fewest sigma chads of the Star Wars franchise like Galen Merek, Luke, Anakin, Yoda, vitiate, Sidious, and Traya who are the exception to that rule. how many jedi and Sith do you know that can not only command and manipulate the elemental powers of FIRE, ICE, LIGHTING, WIND, EARTH, WATER, MAGNATISM, LAVE AND SO ON! but can also manipulate biological energy and metabolic processes with the power of their minds. reverse time by seconds to even a full year. turn weapons, vehicles and even fortifications cursed and even reaching into the workings of the target, subverting its vital energies to turn weapons on their owners or cause tanks to roll to a shuddering halt. using their power to destroy tech from the inside-out I can go forever of how the psyker (especially space marine librarians) powers are for more varied and versatile than any of you jedi/Sith thumping fucks can ever bother to fathom. so, what is the order of either Sith or jedi going to do about that! PRAY TO THE FORCE FOR A MERCY KILL!?
Yea they did . . . After getting shot in the back by their own troops while fighting on the front lines against army’s of droids. That’s 1 guy getting shot at on all sides by both his enemies and now his own troops, you’re not getting out of that alive.
@@unatco6554 so? The battle isn’t about who can deal with off guards the best especially since in standard battle prep both with already be trying to kill eachother before the fight starts.
Blasters are only capable of full body vaporization at max power. Since they left small holes on Jedi flesh and robes, they were likely using low to mid power. Legends Jedi can be consistently LS, but not canon ones. Jedi also suffer from named character syndrome. So do custodes, but not to the same degree. A prominent knight will be more powerful than a random master, and a prominent named padawan would be above a nameless knight. But overall, good explanation.
Sry but since when are blasters lightspeed? Its lasers produced from gas cartridges propelled outwards so technically it would be plasma...you can physically see them travel short distances...what kind of hard cope is this to make this even remotely fair for jedi?
Custodes no-dif random jedi in most cases, without crazy legends stuff but here are some Canon Characters who body custodes Vader: tears 100 ton starships out of the sky, moved starships in hyperspace telekinetically, survives being thown thru buildings by kajus. Slaughter armies casually, can move fast enough to block multiple lazers at once. What is a custodes gonna do when thrown into low orbit, and bolters won't pierce his force shield Sidious: destroys fleets with blasts of power, in the movies. Kiled 100 stormtroopers casually with one lighting blast. The backblast of his lightning can shread several tons of stone. Faster than vader, and can make force shield Yoda: stronger in the force than vader, moved mountains, faster than vader, also force shield Kal Kestis: Iffy on this one, he can freeze thirty men in place thru the force. Also slows down everything considerable Routinely shows the ability to move several tons, but a custodes might speedblitz
Man you think custodes simply go and fight 1vs1 in distance some psyker if he think thats really problem he just order exterminatus on world or just bombard surface By the way 100 tons is really and really small for warhammer 40k scales
@@erenmeydanc8954 Also it wasn't just 100 tons, it was 100 tons moving 5 times faster than a hypersonic missle (starships in star wars on screen can enter or leave orbit in 48 seconds or even less, as shown in the battle of Hoth, Luke's ship landing on dagobah, etc)
@@erenmeydanc8954 Also 100 tons is a lot, Alpha Level Psykers like Esienhorn can't do that, nor can powerful Librarians such as Karrus from the deathwatch novels, who was noted for being stronger than the average librarian
The covenant have much Much more territory, troops and at least comparable tech. They also make use of combined arms and actual tactics like the tau do. It wouldn't be a complete wash and in a realistic scenario there is a decent chance they'd merge the tau into the covenant but it's really not looking too great for the blue boys.
@@hermeister3870they don't have much more territory nor troops contrary to popular belief septs isn't the tau name for planets but the tau name for sectors of space and their tech isn't comparable tau military tech is better
@@XD-sc4ixtrue, but iirc the covenant is much more efficient in manufacturing arms. All covenant tech is “grown” from a base frame, meaning they should be able to make their weapons far faster than conventional manufacturing techniques. Also a lot of the covenants super heavy units use lekgolo worms for locomotion, making them incredibly cheap. Such as the scarab, which is equivalent in size to a warhound titan while being incredibly cheap to produce, and far more maneuverable in rough terrain. Also covenant has better ftl
@@mysteriousstranger5873 what? No covenant tech isn't grown it's manufactured and base frame is something literally everybody but the orks have in 40k. A warhound titan is much stronger, faster, powerful and more durable than a scarab will ever be and and the tau never had any problems with warhounds it's the warlords titans that they have trouble fighting but the covenant have nothing even vaguely similar to a warlord titan. Also the covenant as a faction are more disfunctional than the tau most of the members of the covenant either hate each others (grunts and jackals) or wouldn't care if the covenant crashed and burned (engineers and lekgolo) soo it's very possible that some of the major races of the covenant will join the tau simply because they're treated better
My opinion I think the custodes would be a fair match against a Jedi master like mid to high low and below wouldn’t stand a chance also chaos doesn’t even try to corrupt them because they know it won’t work
Cool parallel with the name, but I don't think it'd be much of a contest - everybody's favorite mailman is superhuman by human standards, Noble 6 is superhuman by superhuman standards.
I’d give Courier 6 a 1 or a 2 out of 10 chance of victory, he’s a good fighter with plenty of implants that can slow down time and he’s got plenty of weapons the even outshine the Covenant but that Elite Riot Gear or the T-51 suit of power armour isn’t going to hold up to spartan armor.
@@brendandonohue2398 From what I could find the GRX implant and Turbo increases movement speed, reaction time and reflexes by about 35 percent and that’s adding all of that on top of a peak human with cybernetics and mutations so Courier 6 would probably just be slightly slower than Noble 6 but using all 10 GRX at once would only last for 30 seconds after that runs out it’s game over for the Courier.
The issue with jedi is that the writing for them is never consistent, especially in live-action portrayals. In Episode 1, there's that scene where Qui-Gon & Obi-Wan move in the blink of an eye to escape from the droidekas. Then there's Clone Wars 2003 of Mace Windu fighting an army of super battle droids, where he uses the force to give himself super strength & super speed. And then there's Galen Marek (Starkiller) from the Force Unleashed, doing insane shit like pulling a star destroyer out of the sky, crushing an AT-ST walker like a soda can, & spinning the wings of a tie-fighter like destructo discs from DBZ. In the legends books & comics, there are other insane force abilities that jedi can do like teleporting, fire bending, shapeshifting, phasing through solid objects, invisibility, force shout, force explosion, vaporizing, & just insane levels of telekinesis. But then other times we see jedi getting killed so easily by standard blaster fire from droids & regular people. In an actual fight between a custody vs. a competent jedi master, what's stopping the jedi from just snapping the custody's neck with the force? We've seen a custody die when a big ass tyranid smacked him the in the head so hard that his neck snapped, killing him instantly. Realistically, anything that isn't a psyker is getting bodied by actual competent jedi. A good fight would be a grey knight vs. a jedi master, like, who has the faster telekinesis, is the jedi gonna get blasted by a warp spell, or would the grey knight get crushed inside his armor?
We got some pretty crazy blaster feats in Canon my guy. Crosshair is described as being able to nail targets from 10 kilometers away with his basic sniper rifle. Assuming it took 10 seconds for the bolt to land ( the farthest sniper shot in history took 9 seconds) that was 2000 mph
@@phil3751 We see on-screen the bolts dont move that fast, and even if they were lightspeed, Kanan would still be able to block them with normal human speed due to the slow firing rate between shots and his precog.
@@turikazurikaz6730 Actually we have, anytime there is a large battle like the battle of geonosis, Hoth, or Kasyeek blaster bolts move as fast as modern tracer rounds.. the ten kilometers statement only further confirms this
I love star wars but a jedi would get bodied here lmao, only extremely high level force users could have a chance to take on an average custodes imo, custodes are just *far* too strong and fast.. (also, blasters are not lightspeed, they shoot plasma and they shoot it slower than regular bullets, which are known to be far more dangerous for jedi than a blaster due to their speed and the fact that they cant be blocked without getting molten slag thrown at you, which would be even worse forr the jedi with the huge explosive bolts that custodes fire)
@@Velanteg sorry, but that statement is just false. Space marines are faster than the human eye can track, and even they are considered slow to custodes. Jedi are fast don't get me wrong, but claiming that custodes are not even double the speed of a human, is false.
@@alperalyanak9627 Your statement wrong and silly. Space marine in armor have speed of human without armor thats it. There literally no any canon or close to canon source with your version, you taken it from gossips.
The custodes is getting bodied hard lol. In tabletop and in lore theyre weaker (as in less muscle strenght) then a simple ogryn while jedi can throw fucking mountains at ppl The custodes never even stood a chance
blasters are way slower like sub 500 ft per second in Legends slugthrowers wear a very effective counter to Jedi slug throwers are the star wars versions of firearms but due to the wide range of Star Wars Legends material not all sources will agree however Han Solo in Cannon was able to dodge one and he is someone with low force sensitivity the average Jedi Knight would be unable to dodge or block one and if they did manage to get their saber in front of the bolter in time the molten metal in shrapnel would still hit them in Cannon Blaster snipers are faster and they were a big problem for most Jedi
Slug throwers are not an effective counter for jedi in legends. Legends jedi can not only intercept bullets be completely vaporize them. That's not to mention using the force to repel them. There have been thousands of years, where the jedi have thrived while slugthrowers were more common than blasters.
Padawan Kanan Jarrus blocked and dodged multiple shots from Crosshairs sniper. The same sniper that moves fast enough to nail targets from 10 kilometers away. Jedi do be insane sometimes
Jedi were literally bringed to extinction by regular soldiers, a custodes could literally wipe a whole army for himself, lol no jedis are weaker than a custodes
Yes the jedi were brought down by trillions of clones of the strongest warrior in the galaxy whos armor is the reason bullets in sw dont exist and whos blasters punch holes into concrete. 1 primarch vs 1000 space marines loses that fight and every jedi was fighting and actively backstabbed by thousands of mini space marines lol
I think everyone forgets how absolutley cracked Jedi can be, esspecially in legends. I think personally a space marine is probably a closer matchup to a Clone Wars era Jedi from legends, but I can get the scaling used here. Main thing to keep in mind is the scaling, Jedi are always shown to be massive threats even to hundreds of battledroids firing on them, and even large groups of clone troopers who are all peak human physicality, and near a full decade of combat training in experience. Jedi can dodge and block blaster fire at point blank range, can potentially redirect or absorb energy with skills like Tutaminis (might have spelled wrong), can self heal with the force, give themselves massive speed and strength boosts, and all have precognition among many more skills Stack that next to a space marine who typically has hundreds of years of combat experience is genetically modified to be a demigod when compared to the average man, can take out entire platoons of guardsmen with little issue or hoards of tyranids, have armor that generally protects them from anything shy of anti tank weaponry (unless shooting for weak points), can fight for DAYS without rest if needed, can essentially seal any wound they suffer near instantly, and shrug off missing limbs or stabs to the chest among many more feats Both Jedi and Space Marines are capable of killing the other easilly if given the opportunity id say. That being said, a space marine has much more experience than your typical Jedi and more than likley would be able to leverage that. An issie that arises on both ends is the fact that these are shared universes with numerous writers who all scale these characters differently. Hence why sometimes you see Jedi get destroyed by common soldiery and other times you see them solo entire companies of soldiers, same reason Space Marines can both be nigh impervious to all conventional weapons and capable of fighting for months on end yet also have moments where apparently shotguns- or friggin wooden spears have killed them. Overall space maines probably come out on top more often imo, but legends Jedi would certainly give them a run for their money in my opinion.
thank you mate! I'm so glad one of you at least took the time do homework of how jedi and space marine would duke it out on the field of battle. but realistically space marines DO NOT look for challenges in wars, they win it! space marines can and are capable of utilizing modern day militaristic strategies and tactics to make a victory happen! for example if a space marine librarian will always be accompany by a squad of his fellow battle brothers (failing that an entire platoon/company of imperial guardsmen, sororitas, admech warriors and etc.) preferring to outnumber the jedi/sith and draw them into the terrain that heavily favors them, stay at a distance and barrage them down relentlessly with heavy firepower while the librarian will protect his squad with his own powers and using both his Telepathy and Divination to predict what the jedi/Sith will do next, all the while personally hunting them down with force weapons and bolter in hand. use his psychic abilities to conceal him and his battle brother's presence to set ambushes against jedi/Sith while calling upon additional imperial reinforcements while jedi knight/Sith warrior are trying to deal with them all at once.
I mean look at Warhammer 40k fan films by sodaz and Astarte's project by syama pedersen. showing you why and how space marines are living proof of how they fight, especially amongst the adeptus custodes as the most deadliest, the most competent and most brilliant tacticians in the art of war the emperor of mankind have ever created
@@brendandonohue2398 OR how about Vader gets ambushed by a death squad of the sisters of silence and the Culexus Assassins, all of them forcing Vader on his knees screaming out what's left of his lungs while the captain general trajann valoris comes in for a clean decapitation and then burn his hollow out corpse (from the result of anti-psykers sapping and nullifying all his force powers) for good measure. but that's IF he makes it deep into holy terra itself bypassing all the earlier detection sensors and Rader equipment or the future surveying psykers and uncountable legions of battlefleets patrolling in and around the solar system.
Just because Astartes live a few hundred years doesn't mean they have the same combat experience, the Jedi may have more combat experience because they're involved in more battles, and that happens because everything in Star Wars is so much faster, hyperdrive is literally thousands of times faster than warp drive. In the old Republic, even a Padawan had more combat experience than a veteran Republic soldier
I know right like the guy didn't know the lore if a bunch of clones grown from a facility were able to kill them imagine the death korps doing it themselves.
While in close combat a jedi could do well against a space marine, at any kind of range they get trounced by conventional firearms. Blasters are not going light speed, despite whatever sources you check, all actual content within the movies, shows, and a lot of books just straight up show they are going slower than or as fast as bullets. Jedi also cannot block conventional firearms, as if they use their lightsaber against it, as shown in legends a lightsaber against a slug thrower, it just sprays hot metal at the jedi when it hits the lightsaber. Jedi's reaction is fast, but custodes have been described as a golden blur to a normal person. Jedi using the force to throw objects around also requires a lot of concentration, and a custodian just wouldnt allow them any moment to do that. A jedi couldnt even really block against a custodian, as jedi normally only have their own human strength or are slightly enhanced with the force on their strikes, so a custode who can lift a couple tons with just his strength alone would just turn the jedi to mush on the first strike if said jedi tried to block.
Here is an excerpt from Shatterpoint (a novel George Lucas was involved in) where mace windu blocks dozens of hypersonic slugthrowers without any shrapnel using his saber The compound flooded with smoke and flame, with flashes of blaster bolts and snarls of hypersonic slugs. Mace paced through it all with relentless calm, his only expression a slight frown of concentration, his blades weaving an impenetrable web of lightning. He gave more and more of himself over to the Force, letting it move his hands, his feet, letting it guide him through the battle"
Jedis being light speed is way too inconsistent to be considered true. Jedis only dying to clones because they were off guard is narrative a big stretch. I just don't like this death battle use the highest possible cacl you can find even if it goes against the narrative style scaling for jedis.
@@user-fp3in2kf3b .....you didn't think this through did you? Fulgrim...who speed blitzes custodians is far below light speed Do I need to explain further?
@brendandonohue2398 Yeah, Custodes are wanked out the wazoo here. I mean ffs he even claimed their armor could tank macrocannon shells unless I misheard him, which for the sake of my sanity I hope I did.
@@XD-sc4ix not many tho, in the end it I agree A long range fight is stupidly in the jedis favor, any ranged custodes weapon is far to slow to reliably tag a hit, and the Jedi can use the force to outright attack through any cover Doesn't matter how tough a custodian is when their brain explodes in their skull
@@brendandonohue2398 good luck because not only they've never done that (plus mind tricks wouldn't work on a custode) but funnily enough wouldn't kill a custode something he forgot to mention is that the custodes endurance is just unnatural like during war in the webway (one of the many battles during the horus heresy) a random custode was still fighting at peak performance despite literally having more than half his cranium gone and nearly all of his brain matter on the floor and again the dude still kept fighting like nothing happened
@@XD-sc4ix when did I mention mind tricks? Lol As for the organ crushing? Yes they can they do it both in legends and in cannon Its actually how obi wan defeated durge the first time, just making the fucked explode from the inside by pushing out in ever direction at once Literally 0 reason it wouldn't work on custodians :/ . At least the fancy banana armor will catch the splatter ig And as for endurance? Yeah good job on that but cannonically that custodian WASNT fighting at his best lol And two the eldar clown cult have one shot then proving they have weak points and of course the newest nid form just outright kicked one's head off 😂
@@brendandonohue2398 again not really The 2d clone war cartoon isn't Canon to either canons and Obi-Wan was inside of durge as the latter incorporated kenobi and went giant which is not the same as telekinetically pop your organs from a distance In fact in revenge of the sith Obi-Wan had to pry open grievous chest plate and shoot him with a blaster to kill him rather than do what you're saying he could do and use the force and crush his organs. Again no force user ever did such a thing. He was and even then he was demolishing lesser daemons left and right after literally having his brain splattered all over the floor. That's been retconned years ago into the harlequins only annoying the custodes before being captured not to mention that the author openly admitted that he messed up as he confused the custodes with the Lucifer blacks (an elite Regiment of normal humans). Plus if we wanna go that way we have a jedi grandmaster and member of the council getting gunned down by jango fett with a blaster pistol in attack of the clones or better yet the countless instances from both canons where force users have been demolished in hand-to-hand combat by the likes of bounty hunters and mandalorians 🤣
Custodes wins regardless of the situation. You're talking about a warrior that has at _minimum_ (not average) a mortal's lifetime of combat experience and is the space marine's better of a space marine. Most of their Force abilities are null considering the "fun" stuff Jedi don't use because that's Dark Side Force and even then the nanosecond it takes for a Jedi to actually use a Force Choke that's all a Custodes needs to react to disarm by lopping off their hand via some bladed weapon they bring with them other than their Guardian Spear. Like if a Jedi is going to win it's really only the Masters and the Knights on the verge of becoming Masters and I'm talking about the ones that specifically have been honing their combat prowess, but even then it's an uphill battle for them. The one time a Custodes was taken blind sided that I know of was Vendatha who after killing 3 Word Bearers to arrest Lorgar for being a Warp simp was brought low by Argal Tal.
When it comes to combat experience, a Jedi will be as good as a Custodian during a war, for many reasons, the main one being that things go thousands of times faster in Star Wars, and the Jedi has time to fight more battles. Even during the Old Republic and the wars with the Sith, Padawans had more combat experience than veteran soldiers in the Republic army. And a Jedi Knight would be even more experienced. Well it would work if Jedi were inferior in speed to Custodes, but they are not, the reaction speed of Jedi will be higher than Custodes simply because Jedi react before the enemy thinks about attacking (they see the future right in the battle).
How about Warframes from Warframe against the elite warriors of the Imperium? Seriously these guys are pretty OP in lore and gameplay, some even can manipulate space-time and are planet level threats, I think the most powerful ones could even take on a Primarch.
Yes and no, depends on a warframe, lets take excalibur as an example, he whould be somewhere around chaplain power level... Take limbo and you get a titsinch greater deamon level of bulshitery
@mattor300 I think there is a lot more from the Warframes than meets the eye. Excalibur is one of the weaker ones, but with Limbo he is the master of an alternate reality he can use to interact with the material plane and have nobody effect him from there. If we count Void and Warp powers as the same, then maybe we got something, but I don't know if even the Emperor overcame an ability like this. Then there is that Warframe that can coat your whole body in anti matter, one who broke a planet destroying meteor with a punch, a walking plague bomb, few Warframes can be outright immune to ANY sort of attack and even detect it all back to the attacker, and one who can open a portal to the surface of the sun.
@@Hyperray51 again limbo does have sone limitations as most frames do, remember that, the most powerful frames whould be somewhere between primarchs and the emperor
Honestly, its rather improrer to jduge how a custodes would fair against a jedi since the legio (later adeptus) custodes were only orignally (pre and druing the unification wars) meant to be an indipendent fighting force, as they are only one half of the force known as the talons of the emperor, that consist of both the custodian guard and sisters of silence, who are specifically anti-psyker, and would probably either cause extreme discomfort for a jedi, leading to the jedi being unable to use their powers since a jedi's powers depend on their emotional state, and since they are unaugmented humans (or xenos) without any trans-human augmentations that are also psykers (the terms psyker and force user are probably intercahngable for the sake of this fight) a sister of silence would probably drive the jedi insane. And not to mention, that in fact a custodes would probably be fine going up against a jedi, since the closest thing to jedi in 40k was the original thousand sons legion, that we get to see extensivley in the prospero trilogy of the horus heresy, in one of those novels. Most thousand sons sorcerers would probably be more powerful physically and psychically than most jedi, and even then the custodes were able to overpower them without the aid of the sisters of battle. We can see this in the battle between the scarab occult terimnators (the elite psyker warriors of the thousand sons) and the legio custodes, during the battle, the kill/death ratio of the custodes was 3/1, one custodes killed for 3 scarab occults, and as previously mentioned, each one of them would probably be more powerful than the avarige jedi, and probably more powerful than most jedi masters. It is also important to note that the battle turned into a complete massacre after the sisters of silence joined the battle, resulting in most of the scarab occult getting massacred. As a final note, it is important to remember that a basic power such as a force choke would probably have next to no affect on a custodian, as they have been shown to be able to keep on fighitng even when their critcal organs are either missing or not functioning, as we see with at custodian warden of the heteron company during the retreat from the webway at the end of master of mankind, or with Constantin Valdor being able to survive getting pinned to a wall by a greatsword, and then proceeding to battle a chaos empowered Abaddon in the End and the death volume 3. Also, the fight would have to depend on the type of custodian and their wargear, as not all custdian shield comapnies, shield host and solidarites are the same. Some shield companies, like the shadowkeepers go through intensive mental training that involves being exposed to greater daemon of tzeench for 24 hours, arguably whateber a greater deamon of tzeench could do with its psychic powers is likley worse than what most if any jedi could do.
I’ve got an idea if your interested. I think you should cover the Crysis Nanosuit specifically the Nanosuit 2.0 from Crysis 3 because man that suit is overpowered. I was thinking of getting back into Crysis recently and I thought about looking at how strong the suit is for fun and man I couldn’t believe how high the numbers got. Here’s what I could find on the Suit: it gives the user a 0.08 millisecond reaction time, for strength I’ve seen numbers from 15 tons to 30 to 50 to even 100 from random people doing feat scaling but it’s hard to get an exact number because the suit is constantly upgrading itself and it can put power into different modes for an incredible boost in certain areas such as speed, strength, armor and cloak mode. And for durability I’ve seen claims that it can bounce auto cannons and even tank rounds which I actually believe that because like Master Chief, Prophet also fell from orbit and managed to survive. Edit: I think you should probably compare the Nanosuit to both Spartans and Space Marines because the suit is like if you mixed a Spartan and a Space Marine together and threw a bit of the Predator in there as well.
Because in movies jedis get murdered by random dudes in plastic armor with tiny guns that shoot little plasma charges that fly with snail speed. Remember entire jedi order being massacred by non-force sensitive people? Again, non-augmented, non-magical people who were dying in hundreds in Clone Wars. Physical projectiles are extremely effective against force users both in canon and legends, and these are not even exploding and are shot by regular people. Here we are dealing with genetically forged killing machine dedicated for endless and galactic scale brutal war against horrors that eat planets and do random cursed things for fun, its combat experience is longer than Yoda's life, its biology is unparalleled by the strongest sane species in Star Wars, its equipment's price is valued in planets and it will usually parry few blows from its victim to learn new technique from them before butchering another idiot who opposed it. Just bear with fact that the weakest custodes can massacre Legends jedi order entirely and then pursue sith. I know that you can pull out some ridiculously overpowered single character who only shown such powers in random comic from 80s-90s. But if you will allow yourself to do that, then I will pull out any custodes high rank or even Constantin Valdor.
@@magosbiologiszhessnakram8530 "The compound flooded with smoke and flame, with flashes of blaster bolts and snarls of hypersonic slugs. Mace paced through it all with relentless calm, his only expression a slight frown of concentration, his blades weaving an impenetrable web of lightning. He gave more and more of himself over to the Force, letting it move his hands, his feet, letting it guide him through the battle" Shatterpoint, wanna know it's important, the prologue is signed by George lucas
@@magosbiologiszhessnakram8530the dawn of the Jedi series, which is now canon had Pre lightsaber Jedi dealing with slugthrowers easily by just using the force, this wasn't special cases this was the average
@@magosbiologiszhessnakram8530we've seen Jedi deal with slugthrowers three separate times on screen with zero trouble Ashoka dodged shotgun fire point blank in the clone wars. This was without a lightsaber Obi Wan blocked two bullets from cad bane's wrist gauntlets, which are slugthrowers In Clone Wars Obi wan blocks slugs from surges wrist gauntlets along with flamethrowers effortlessly
@@magosbiologiszhessnakram8530That just means he didn't even watch the movies. The Jedi only has to lift the guard into the air and smash his weapon. Canonically, Jedi knights can control more than 40 million tons if they use all their ability and concentration, the strongest ones, like Yoda or Mace Windu, can make a space marine look like a turtle and move living mountains without any kind of problem, That's in canon, in Legends Luke bends space time to take the guard in the jaws and that's it, a hand-to-hand duel, the guy sees everything in slow motion, his speed is incredible, he can heal, or become a be immaterial, then destroy the planet and leave. Other users since Sith mentions, some destroyed entire star systems, another created wormholes, some devoured the life of entire worlds in minutes, their force waves could disintegrate pharmacies of armored soldiers, just to mention something
Wasn't this debate settled years ago? Anything faced against 40k universe is a question of when will they lose, and not will they lose. Adeptus Custodes would demolish the jedi and the sith order combined. Even a space marine would demolish them, with 93% accuracy and firing a mini cannon how long can jedi block / deflect or do anything against that ? not long.... Jedi against 1 marine maybe, but you put a squad or god forbid a legion, star wars loses everything, add star trek while you are there and it's all the same. To wrap this up for all the star wars fans, if you think that the force or anything can stop Custodes, read the lore.
Mini canon lol Man I am more of a warhammer fan but this is just wrong. Didn't he say that they can dodge lightspeed blasters. And yes they do it for a long time. We are saying that it is a 1 vs 1 but if you have a 100 custodes vs 100 jedi than it would be the same result. In legends starkiller just straight up killed an planet of guys with light speed weapons and fought them constantly even pulling down star destroyers from orbit and destroying tanks. Those mini canons are slower than light.
40k can't beat everything, in fact, you don't even need to look that deep to find things that can clown on it. Mainstream anime & comics have tons of galaxy to universe busting civilizations and characters running around. Hell, there's even hard scifi such as The Culture and Xeelee Sequence that can grind Warhammer to dust without batting an eye despite the latter having magic. As for the matchup, the guy in the video came to the conclusion that Custodes only beat Jedi in close quarters, but would get pulped out in the open by the force. Since you seem to think custodes should win 100%, what stops the Jedi from using the force to launch big objects or just crush the custodian under something? Custodians have the willpower to resist direct psychic shenanigans such as mind control and warp-based attacks to an extent (Custodes were puppeted by Horus in End and The Death so their resistance isn't absolute) but IIRC they rely on SoS to shut down psykers so they don't have to deal with monkeys flinging shit to begin with.
And yet in the series of star wars vs warhammer 40k a single Space Marine librarian was able to kill over a hundred of jedi. And that series is famous for being unbias.
Yeah but to be fair Space Marine Librarians can be very powerful, some of the strongest psykers in 40k are space marines like Mephiston, Ahriman, and Tiguris to name a few. That being said for being space marines the librarians can be unnaturally strong and should Custodians have to subdue one they’d typically bring sisters of silence with them. It’s not like Custodians show up and curbstomp everything or at least unchallenged. Yeah even though it took 100 Jedi to kill that Librarian, Mace Windu 1 V 2 against an Astartes augmented inquisitor with Psyker powers and an Eversor Assasin at the same time. Palpatine completely dominated the Lord Inquisitor who was an Alpha + Psyker as well..
@@sercravenmohead3631 No, palpatine didn't completely dominate the lord inquisitor and by the way, that inquisitor to my understanding is weaker then some other members of the imperium that came with them to the sw galaxy as he stated that he wouldve prefered to keep his powers hidden during his conversation with that daemon. Also the not so space marine Samael and his Assassim girl almost won and almost killed obiwan and mace. Had they been together at the start, mad and obiwan would be dead. Yet Samael and his "girl" are inferior to custodes.
@@tusk3260 Palpatine clearly had the upper hand and pressed Tahr Wyler the entire fight, the only time Tahr had the upper hand was with the saber duel. Tahr was trying to flex his raw warp strength but Sidious not only had him on the backfoot but was toying with Tahr. That is a clear victory for Palpatine, it’s not implied anyone was stronger than Tahr Wyler when he said he was suppressing his power. We don’t know why he was trying to be secretive to draw that conclusion. If he’s strong enough to duel with Palpatine then he’s clearly stronger than all 40k characters present and around Axum. I think it has more to do with the power struggle with Warmaster Orion, he’s trying to get rid of the loyal elements to Orion by detonating the virus bomb. Given the feats of Palpatine in canon and legends he’s strong enough to bully an alpha + psyker likely making him an evil equivalent to Malcador the sigilite.
@@sercravenmohead3631 Yes palpatine had the upper hand but the inquisitor escaped using his own power. So you cannot say palpatine dominated him. Ayla was dominated by the inquisitor and i can say this because the only reason she survived is because she had outside help in the form of palpatine. - You seem to not have read second part of my reply, so i will repeat it: - Mace and Obiwan failed to kill Samael in a 2 vs 1 battle and when Samael's girl assassin showed up, Obiwan and Mace nearly died. Only reason they lived was Samael's order to retreat so that Samael could get his injuries treated.
@@tusk3260 An escape is a retreat, and that my friend is a defeat. Did Palpatine escape? He’s the victor and was never pressed and only frustrated Tahr Wyler, the only person to take damage was Tar Wyler dude. You remember the moment he breathed in the black flames, the same ones Tahr claimed even the chaos gods are weary to use? Palpatine is an evil Malcador, possibly an equal to preheresy Magnus. I’m not even talking about Ayla. Again, Samael and Hecate retreated from Windu. That was a losing battle with multiple instances of Windu nearly scoring kills on either one, they had to use tactics to level the playing field.
@Random-wo2sw yeah it's just a living energy field generated by all living things that penetrates us, that surrounds us, and binds the galaxy together. An Energy field that exists across all of time and space and can be used to quickly travel across the galaxy, which had an ancient hyper advanced race that ruled the galaxy develope a bridge which allowed them to travel through that energy field safely and even going a step further and allowing them the ability to manipulate time itself. An energy field so important to the universe that if certain villains activated certain superweapons the sudden shock from losing that energy field will kill the vast majority of life in the entire galaxy. And which has a horribly corrupted section of its vast infinite scale known as the Chaos, an unimaginable nightmare realm used as a hellish afterlife used to punish Sith and other Dark Siders who attempted to make them sell immortal, the Chaos being a realm of nightmares where Demons tend to form and hunt people down in. The Force is basically just what the Warp was like before the War in Heaven in 40k, they function identically.
@@anthonyrodriguez8788 no the warp can do like a fuck ton of difrent stuff and the same goes for the force and copy pasting doesn't really change that- and again as i said you can't just block the force how blanks and more powerfull psyichers can. So a custodian can't just say nu uh and stop a Jedi from using the force. Look 40k is a op as a seting but that doesn't mean its rules over rite rules of star wars
@@Random-wo2sw except 40k has tons of rituals seals and weapons designed specifically to make you more resistant to warp based attacks. That's why Space Marines aren't constantly getting their heads popped like balloons every time they encounter a low level Psyker, their armor is filled head to toe with enchantments designed specifically resistant to warp attacks. And Custodians in particular have an extremely powerful resistance to warp based attacks, that's why the Custodians can still beat Greater Daemons even without the help of the Sisters of Silence.
Nahh bruh there's no way a Custodes loses here, if we take jedi feats form the movies it's not even close, comics jedi are something totally different and their feats are exaggerated by the writers exactly like super hero comics. An average jedi from the cinematic universe would fucking struggle with one space marine, a Custodes would be overkill.
We can use Novels George Lucas was involved in as sources, like ROTS (whose Author went on record saying not a word writ didn't go past Lucas) or Shatterpoint (which was co-writ by Lucas, the prologue was signed by him In these Mace Windu blocked dozens of hypersonic slugthrowers (Shatterpoint) Jedi doge turbolazers at near light speed while piloting Sidious and Yoda duelling so fast to make a tornado Etc
@@phil3751 It seems that always when it comes to writing about these fictional characters seems that they get a boost in power compared to what we see on screen, in 40k books a fight between just Space Marines is seen like a blur to fast for the normal people's eyes but in things like trailers and and the new animations they have we see it's not quite as fast same with the Jedi in movies.
@@argeltalthecustodiankiller6552 ROTS was put up as a canon novel last year. Whatever doesn't contradict the movies are series is canon References to the events of Shatterpoint happened as well. Both are co-writ by George Lucas, the creator of starwars and are some very important books
Reminder that 99% of the Jedi were krumpped by Clone Troopers, barely more than baseline humans. A generic Jedi would struggle against a single Astarte, let alone one of the Emperor's giant golden Übermensch. Only the OMGPLZNERF plot important Jedi could contend with super soldiers from the grim dark future.
Yeah they were but here’s the context that you conveniently left out. Around 90 percent of them were shot in the back by their own elite combat veterans while they were fighting on the front lines with nothing but a lightsaber and some robes. That means they were being shot at on all sides by both their enemies and their own allies no one is making it out of that alive. But I do agree that only a Master or a Grandmaster would be a match.
@@Son_Kar Being shot in the back shouldn’t matter to a PSYCHIC. If Crocodile Dundee with a bucket on his head can get a drop on a cheddar monk, how are they supposed to deal with the reflexes of a giant banana man with anime blur levels of speed? I keep my point, good sir.
@@falsehero2001 Yes getting shot in the back absolutely would matter especially if you’re a commander that’s standing in the middle of a battlefield in between 2 whole armies who are mainly going to target you first do to how dangerous and important you are. It doesn’t matter how strong you are if 2 whole armies are shooting at you from almost every direction, you can’t block or dodge all of those shots.
@@Son_KarAnd how many times is that scenario shown in episode 6? Or in a show, cartoon, or video game? Just to make sure I'm not talking out of my ass, I just watched a supercut of Order 66. Not a single Jedi was depicted as being shanked while they were the middle of a fire fight with droids. Aayla Secura is wandering around a mushroom forest. Plo Koon is casually flying on patrol. Obi-Wan's casually riding his lizard up a cliff. None of them are in contact with enemy forces but should be expecting to. They should be on edge and ready for a fight, connected to the Force precognitively and through the Force to their troops empathically. Yet Aalya's gunned down before she drew her light saber, Plo Koon's taken down by his wingmen, and even Obi-Wan (who's supposed to be the best Jedi Master at using the Force defensively) is blown off of the wall by a cannon from several hundred yards away. I guess he at least was able to avoid getting a direct hit on him. Further more, extended media show Jedi Knights fighting Clone Troopers face on and getting bodied. Depa Billaba watched her Troopers get the order from Palpy. She's gunned down by about a dozen troopers. And lets not forget all the Jedi fighting in the temple shoulder to shoulder against waves of Troopers. Oh, are you going to throw Ki-Adi-Mundi in my face? Admittingly, he's in a battle and droids are shooting, but he actually does sense the betrayal before it happens. He has enough time to turn around and fight back and kill a Trooper or two. The one guy that's actually jumped in the middle of a battle with 2 armies and his psychic powers do work. Too bad for him he's still gunned down. And just to bring it back to the original topic: an average Custode would have survived every fight mentioned above unarmed and buck naked. (cue Pillar Man theme)
@@falsehero2001 Ok 2 things A there are possibly hundreds if not thousands of Jedi fighting and leading battles on the front lines and they always tend to stay within their infantry so their troops can cover them while they give orders and use their powers, they are going to be focused on fighting the enemy that’s shooting at them and their senses will be overwhelmed by all of those droids that are targeting them. B why would the Jedi suspect anything out of the ordinary from the people and friends that they have been fighting alongside for years? They aren’t going to automatically assume that their own troops are just going to shoot them for no reason just because they are acting slightly strange like moving out of formation. Side note if a Custodian was out of armor they would definitely get killed by an army but in armor they would be fine. Also there is a reason why Jedi can’t fight armies by themselves and why they could do alright against a Custodian, it’s because Jedi are duellists not infantry blenders, they excel in duels and 1 v 1 fights they aren’t the best against hoards of enemies because they don’t wear armor and their senses will get overwhelmed eventually they aren’t invincible.
The starwars side in this comment have lost their minds 😭 No matter how much you stretch the jedis power, they are getting absolutely and utterly destroyed by an average Custodian in seconds at most The average jedi/a bit above average jedi vs average (non-librarian and loyalist) space marine would be a FAAAAAR more of a fair fight (even then, it depends on the Legion and Chapter and it would still not be fair) Ngl i think you made this simply to piss people off
@@AlOstosman Really? Well tell me this what’s to stop the Grand Master from just crushing the Custodian the second the fight starts. 40k isn’t this unending own zone pretty much every franchise has at least something that can handle even the best that 40k has to offer.
It is not fair at all. Lightsabers vs Bolter guns are a awfull match-up for anyone carrying the lightsaber, a guardian spear will always also include a ranged weapon. Check obi-wan's fight against the bounty hunter using physical projectiles from the comics, the molten remains of the bullets really harm him. Also check the Custodes battles against psykers, they constantly and easily beat psykers that are way stronger than Jedi
@@myduckisonqauck7227 It does not matter. A custodes is too fast and strong for any jedi other than the strongest of the strongest. See how they decimate psykers with continental tier spells
@@myduckisonqauck7227 wrong they don't vaporize bullets in legends and even then a bolter is massively bigger than slugthrower rounds plus it's explosive meaning that anytime a force user will try to block a bolter with a lightsaber the bolter round is always gonna explode in his face
Custodes bodies the Jedi every single time. It wouldn't even be close. I love Star Wars but the WH40K universe is literally made such that every faction is insanely overpowered. It is Space Grimdark insanity dialed up to 40,000.
During the burning of Prospero Valdor went up against the high leadership of the Thousand Sons legion who were such powerful psykers they could see the future and predict his movements but they still all lost to Valdor because they still weren't fast or strong enough to counter his moves.
That book if i remember was written by an in lore imperial citizen who would want to write up the power of the person yes? In tabletop a guardsmen and a custodes both have but only 6 inches of movement so unless a guardsmen is also hypersonic which i doubt then a custdian isnt all that fast Also valdor is like the anakin of the custodes. His feats dont count for the average bananna boy
The average jedi is not taking a custodian but thats the thing. Custodians are consistent and are pretty equal to eatchother. Your average old republic jedi knight could definitely kill a custodian but its not gonna be reliable. But Jedi can get so much stronger. Lord hoth would take 10 Custodians on his own at least
A competent, powerful and skilled Jedi Master would struggle to fight a space marine, their only saving grace would be how powerful in the force they’d be, yet you think they’d beat a custodian. That’s just delusional, there is absolutely no way a Jedi, just a simple Jedi could fight a custodian. You look at how easily they where annihilated after order 66 just by clones. Even some of the Jedi master died and the rest went into hiding. There is absolutely no situation a Jedi wins unless their force powers are off the charts but even then, the custodian would just blitz them and a Jedi irrelevant if they knew every style wouldn’t win a melee fight. To even suggest a Jedi could beat a custodian or it’s almost fair is spite.
WH fans extremely overestimate space marines. In SW measures space marines armor and weapons severely obsolete, literally ancient. Like slingshot and leather armor vs modern army.
Cannon even Yoda would struggle taking on a Custodes. However legends is are more crazy but a standard Jedi loses to the Custodes as he cannot effect them with force grabs or anything like that. Only damage based attacks and the Custodes has a Shield that tanks knight weapons for a period of time and Allarus Terminators take hits from gigaton based ship weapons so standard Jedi are losing 95% of the time. The ridiculous characters like Palpatine, Luke and such absolutely beat a Custodes however. Please scale your fights better it makes it far less interesting when there are so many people who have already proved the Jedi winning wrong.
I mean by tabletop which is the most accurate 40k source then the custodes easily die to like 1k guardsmen while the average jedi is said to be worth a thousand droids
@connormcgehee9349 tabletop is balanced for gameplay reasons. If we use that logic Jedi are weak cause you die easily to a squad of Stormtroopers in Jedi Fallen Order. That's why we use the novels and the lore in the Codex and not tabletop rules. I can say the same for Vador in Empire at War. So stop being bias cause you don't know 40K lore and love starwars more.
@@eichler721 wrong again dude. Tabletop is balanced to make it a fun game and cause each faction is balanced in the universe. By my logic we would need to use the movies of starwars as that is the most canon part where palpatine was easily able to kill an entire army with lightning alone and the jedi slaughter hundreds of clones in minutes as seen when kenobi and yoda massacar clones at the jedi temple Custodes are weak ahh hell
@connormcgehee9349 you use codex lore not rules you dummy. 6 Custodes killed a horde of a million Tyranids stacked with Carnifex, Hive Guard, and the Swarmlord and they won. A Custodes walked away and no Tyranids. Jedi have never done that. So thanks for showing you know nothing of 40K.
@connormcgehee9349 also Valdor in the course of a few minutes killed thousands of Deamons and Astartes during the Boarding of the Vengeful Spirit and would slaughter squads of Jedi for fun.
1. You're mistaking Clone troopers for Stormtroopers, in 40k terms that's like comparing Cadians to a Penal Regiment. 2. The Jedi got killed by the Clones because order 66 turned them against the Jedi in the middle of a war
@@anthonyrodriguez8788 ??? The clones are the supersoldiers. Literally theyre genetic clones of the greatest warrior in the galaxy. Its like comparing a squad of catachan jungle fighters to a squad of sly marlbro clones
@@connormcgehee9349 eh, not really. Stormtroopers are hot garbage in both continuites, their "elite" status is just a buzzword used to make them sound tough. Most Stormtroopers are uncreative and lack any real critical thinking skills which makes them terrible in fire fights against anyone with any kind of tactical advantage. Don't get me wrong, there are badass Stormtroopers, but they are the exception in the Stormtrooper Corps in the same way that bad Clone Troopers are the exception in the Grand Army of the Republic. The only good things you can consistently say about Stormtroopers is that they are highly disciplined and there is a whole lot of em.
The problem with properties like Halo, Star Wars, or, God forbid, 40K is that the power scaling is all over the place. Almost universally, you see borderline cape-shit level feats in comics, meanwhile in some games it’s more like just slightly better than the average person. So, from what I consider to be a standard Jedi, someone who can get bodied by a squad of Clone Troopers, fighting a single Custode just isn’t fair. But when you take how Custodes used to be portrayed (fancier Space Marines) and put them against cape-shit Jedi, he’s getting sliced apart, or crushed in his armor.
lightsabers can't stop bullets though, right? they deflect energy weapons but bullets just melt and go through, and the Jedi gets blasted with molten hot metal. so a custody would pop off one shot and get the win from half a mile away.
@@connormcgehee9349 and most jedi aren't accustomed to bullets? also, I think the custodies superhuman reaction time, perception, and aim would make precog dodging very hard, the Jedi scenes where the bullet is going to go and dodges a fraction of a second before it is fired, but the custody's superior physical speed and perception means he can see the movement happen and adjust his aim to meet the jedi's new location in that fraction of a second and fire all before the jedi has time to sense the new future his dodge created and re-adjust his position
@@seanodonnell7169 yeah no. The custodes is a supersoldier but by tabletop is only worth 20 infantrymen while a jedi alone is worth 1000 droids or 100 clones lol Custodes aint that strong theyre only worth 20 dudes
@@connormcgehee9349 You kidding? everyone knows table-top isn't lore accurate. if it was a swarm players would need thousands of models to go up against a single elite squad. A space marine is said to be worth 10-100 men, and a custodes is to a marine what a marien is to a human, so you are looking at anywhere from 100-10,000 men. Once in lore 6 custodes killed 1 million tyranids at a choke point, gaunts, elite units, swarm lord and all. their speed is so fast they move at a blur to a space marine, who themselves move as blurs to humans. most Jedi would get stomped.
@@seanodonnell7169 tabletop is the most accurate as all other sources have in uiiverse narrators who are biased one way or the other. A space marine is said to be worth 10 to 100 men (by an imperial who wants to show the strength of the marines) A custodes (reportedly) slaughtered that many tyranids and movies at a blur (by an imperial who sees then as actual angels of their god) In reality 1 custodes is only worth 20 infantrymen. Theyre kinda weak
DB Ideas: - Robocop vs Adam Smasher - Satorou Gojo vs Sensui (yuyu hakusho) - James Heller (Prototype 2) vs Agent Venom (Marvel Comics) - Nappa vs Conquest (Invincible)
I doubt he will pick Robo Cop because Frank Horrigan is the most popular matchup against Adam Smasher on both his channel and for Death Battle. That and Frank Horrigan and Adam Smasher are in both of his 2 most popular videos so it would make sense to put them against each other.
I’ve actually seen a match up that was pretty popular for a bit but it seems to have died down to almost nothing. Starscourge/General Radahn (at his theoretically peak) vs a Primarch mainly Magnus the Red/The Nerd. I actually found a dope AF fanart of the 2 standing beside each other on Reddit.
Don't look at the comment its filled with salty SW and 40k fanboys throwing random bits and pieces of lore at each other without actually reading or knowing about the lore don't enter the replies they are cancerous this video only seemed to have made both 40k and Sw fans salty
