Sorry, I made a purchase from CTR and it was a nightmare!! Now, I know how to use a set of digital calipers, but they questioned me several times about the numbers, in emails, i had sent them! They finally sent a set of 3 and they were still the wrong size. $42 bucks wasted and when I contacted them about it they just didn't answer!! Sorry, I just can't accept them as legit! I do watch all your videos. I think you are a lot smarter than some of these so called archery experts, the channel "Archery 101", comes to mind. keep the videos coming. !
I'm very sorry to hear that, I hope they make things right. Just out of curiosity though, what exactly was the problem with the fit? And what did they ask you in terms of questions about how you did the measurements? It sounds like maybe they were skeptical of your measurements for some reason?
I shoot righty, my thumb knuckle is abnormally large, 25mm across. That's what they kept questioning. I used their measurement instructions. I also have several rings from Vermile Archery and have no problems. S I guess they just couldn't believe my thumb was that large. I tried to call them on the phone but could not get an answer. I believe they are in new england some where. So they just sent 3 rings so large they just fall off. I couldn't understand why they would do that.
An update to above posts. I did get the problem solved. I then purchased the chinese spur ring. It is great!! the spur hits the arrow and actually positions itself properly on the string under the arrow. !! No skin pinch, no moving about during the draw. It's not metal but is very durable and doesn't seem to scratch. I got it with the metallic coloring and decoration.
Do you have a thumb ring with a lip so well? My only thumb ring does, and while I understand what you mean with the sear of a gun, in terms of the draw, are your fingers in the same configuration, or different? I haven't touch a lipless sample ever, but it seems as if you can use it almost like a Manchu don't. Also, on the Lars video, no mention of the Koreans? They are stick arrows in their "second belt" and lack a proper quiver. Then there are the Japanese who sick arrows through the belt in the back during yabusame. Any other cultures that use alternates to a proper quiver?
The position of the thumb is a little different when using a lipless ring. And yes, I do think there are some similarities to how a Manchu ring is used, like having only a slight bend in the thumb, and catching the string on the narrow edge. Obviously the two still have significant differences, but in their manner of usage they are more alike to each other than they are compared to lipped rings. If you look at the very large, almost cylindrical ring at 1:15 of the video, one can imagine how a Manchu ring could have hypothetically originated, as part of a gradual evolution from an Ottoman-like lipless ring, to a lipless ring with a small tongue and large band, to finally the cylindrical form. That's just one idea, though. There could be other explanations.
ryddragyn I see. Could you perhaps do a video on the differences in technique between using the two? I know for certain that if I use a lipless ring with my technique, the string will just bite into my thumb. Or have you one already?
+ABCantonese I have not done a video myself but there are other youtubers who have described it well. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-CczOQqpRuNo.html The key is not bending the thumb a lot. You're almost pointing it forward. And letting the string catch on the ring.
The steel version is about $40. In fairness, it's not attractive to look at, but for function I do prefer the gritty texture over polished copper alloy rings.
