Can I make a suggestion. Announce the “Please like and subscribe” at the end of the video about 3 seconds earlier or allow it to play out a little longer. When watching on a smart tv, It’ll auto starts the next video before you can easily navigate to the like button.
I lease em.. always under warranty.. I hand it back at the end of the 3 year 36K miles warranty... doesnt just affect cars.. a guy in one of my vintage vehicle clubs got 20 miles down the road in his brand new Kenworth T880 Semi from the dealer and the engine self vented... no 750K before overhaul on that one :), a dude in the Tesla reddit never made it out of the shopping center where the tesla delivery took place before it burnt to the ground..
considering that for the most part they were pre-delivery inspections, the customer didn't even saw the damage. All the others were done under warranty...
correction: manufacturers used to be run by the people who worked there. now theyre run by the federal government (epa) and everything californias carb comes up with.
As someone who got fired from a place that makes fuel and brake lines for refusing to run a machine that was damaging the parts because they wanted to hit numbers instead of make a good quality part, the leaking fuel line made me laugh quite a bit 🤣
I used to work in a test lab for a company that makes oil seals. For one test program, we got a number of shafts in from a Tier 1 drivetrain supplier. I rejected over half of them for dents and/or scratches on the sealing surface. Doesn't matter how good the seal is, if the shaft it's riding on is made incorrectly.
@SynchroScore lol my company tried to make me double up the O Rings to make some of the parts past the pressure tests and send them out. Somehow they all still failed and went in the scrap bin 🤔😏🤣
@@markh.6687 And they wonder how they got a class action lawsuit going on with the transmission in the Escape. Them Ford managers really thought they were gonna get away with that nonsense.
I have a twenty-year-old and a fifteen-year-old vehicle. Sometimes, I think new vehicles have added so many bells and whistles that the engineering has gone beyond reasonable.
@@fredfred2363 Aye. But you see a 1970's Ford F-150, and then you see today's and you'd have to wonder, "when did a utility truck turn into a status symbol?"
Actually for anyone with more than 50 IQ points it's obvious that something can't be mass produced without a small percentage having issues, in this reality in this universe it is simply not possible. These people were simply unlucky. That being said some manufacturers are obviously worse than others when it comes to how high that percentage is!
I worked at a ford dealership for 18 years and after that amount of time, I learned one valuable lesson. Just because something is New doesn’t mean it will not have issues. So when someone make statements like “I want I new car so I don’t have issues”my thought 💭 is always “Good luck with that”
Especially true for replacement parts as well. I now refuse to believe a new part is good/working until I see it working with my own eyes. Many times they do not work.
@@GrnArrow092 It's a tradeoff. You usually don't know much about the history of a used car. The seller has a financial interest in concealing defects. And anyway, some really expensive problems would not be visible. Maybe the engine had 3 oil changes in the past 5 years, and 2 were just last week to flush out the black gunk. It has new transmission fluid but who's going to open it up to look for damage? Put another way, I've seen vehicles on the road with "for sale" signs and the driver is practicing to escape after a bank robbery. I wouldn't touch those no matter how clean they look. Used cars can be great. All mine were used except one that I bought new for the same price as used. There are risks, that's all. Edit: even used can have factory defects. I replaced a transmission that failed after 5 years. The transmission shop said it was bad from the start, but warranty had ended.
@@superspeedfrigate52 Agree, I don't think it's the engineers as much as management pushing hard to maintain the pace of production. Not enough time to fix any faults found.
@@beaverc2884 Your comment, "DERP DERP DERP" had a line under it that said "Translate to English". So I hit it and it translated it to "DERP DERP DERP". So much for AI.
In my professional opinion, a new vehicle cannot be considered completely reliable until it has accumulated at least 15,000 miles and has been in service for a minimum of two years. This assertion is further supported by the evidence presented in the video.
"Quality is job *none* " ... yup. Slap 'em together as best you can. Props to that Subie for getting done and over with checking off the CVT fail box right at the start and not leaving the owners in suspense at warranty's end.
I've driven 11 Chrysler products over the last 25 years. Two of the cars had an anti-lock brake sensor go bad on one wheel. One, the leather seat started cracking, so they replaced it. And one pick up, that the plastic pad on the rear bumper warped. I've had a couple recalls, that when I took them in my cars did not have the problem. Never a major problem with any of the cars or trucks.
My '99 Camry (2.2L) agrees with you. 367k miles, which is not bad considering I bought it 7-8 years ago for $750 at 255k. And that ol' girl still has the ORIGINAL starter. 😮
That seems to happen to any technology that has come to it's end, sounds like the manufacturers are kind of submitting to that, even if they won't say so. Saw the same with the end of VHS tape recorders, the early ones used solid cast chassis, the last used extra thin sheet metal, all but junk.
Hey! Good Enough! Here’s a poem by Edgar Guest that I read in High School: My son, beware of "good enough," It isn't made of sterling stuff; It's something any man can do, It marks the many from the few, It has not merit to the eye, It's something any man can buy, It's name is but a sham and bluff, For it is never "good enough." With "good enough" the shirkers stop In every factory and shop; With "good enough" the failures rest And lose to men who give their best; With "good enough" the car breaks down And men fall short of high renown. My son, remember and be wise In "good enough" disaster lies. With "good enough" have ships been wrecked, The forward march of armies checked, Great buildings burned and fortunes lost; Nor can the world compute the cost In life and money it has paid Because at "good enough" men stayed. Who stops at "good enough" shall find Success has left him far behind. There is no "good enough" that's short Of what you can do and ought. The flaw which may escape the eye And temporarily get by, Shall weaken under the strain And wreck the ship or car or train. For this is true of men and stuff- Only the best is "good enough."
Absolutely love this poem! My wife and I are on total opposite sides of this subject. For her, everything is good enough and for me, nothing is perfect. I strive for perfection in everything I do, but the reality is nothing is perfect. There’s always room for improvement 😅
That is a beautiful poem! I'm shocked it took me so long to discover... it speaks to my soul! ...especially since the brand new Freightliner my company just put me in has a dysfunctional engine brake. It has 16 miles on the clock. X3
I worked at the warranty department at VW between 2004 and 2015 and my god did I see a lot of weird stuff they messed up at the factory. Nothing surprises me anymore...
At IBM they’d ship products they knew didn’t work or half the parts were missing. The manager would say as long as we’re meeting our shipping goals, returns are in a different department. So life is like a big pyramid scam.
My car is 18 this year, it has a few dents and scratches, a few screws loose (just like me) and might leak a tiny amount of oil between services and have just shy if 160,000 on the ock…but it is still in better condition than these Moral of the story…let someone else buy new, fix the issues and then I’ll buy it off them a few years later at a fraction of the price 👍
My car is also pretty old and still goes, yes it's not a beauty but in my area we have a lot of salt and cars doesn't last that long when they start to rust
2005 Mazda RX-8 with one rebuild. 180k on the body and about 23k on this motor, so I'm hoping for maybe 10 more years. All-in for the car and repairs is less than 30k. There's no way I'm buying anything new since anything fun will be at least 40...
I worked three years as a mechanic for a company that inspected new cars in a main import harbour in Finland. (We also added stuff on some cars, like rear seat belts, seat warmers, wheel well liners etc). During these three years there was never (!) anything odd with a Japanese cars, they were always perfectly assembled (Mazda, Daihatsu). Some Volvos also came via us, and one (!) Volvo 480 had its pedals installed badly, the pedals were all on really odd levels. So really not bad. We also had Peugeots and Renaults, no (!) surprises there, either. There was one exception, the Peugeot 504 pickup. It was introduced in 1980 and already outdatedn the late 80s. It was easy to see that the quality wasn't the best anymore (the pickup was actually partly based on the 60s 504 family car). Bu it was a rugged cool tool, and it continued in production until 1993. If you want a good one now, it's not cheap. But back to the point: I'm shocked to see how new cars can leave the factory in the condition they seem to be on some of these videos.
You only have to see the recall numbers on Honda practically 0 and the reliability figures and customer satisfaction figures on most Japanese owned and managed companies, I think its more about attitude in Japan mangers take pride in the quality of service and products, above the need for profits, in the west its only about what you can get a way with if it keeps making bigger profits 🧐
@@hillppari You should have seen cars before they were widely fitted (1980's onwards, for most makes) - loads of salt-laden dirt and mud would collect at the front of the wheel-well, behind the headlights, and inside the strut towers at the top, resulting in rust-perforated panels and/or failing structural parts within a few years.
I've seen several new cars, mainly french and one GM where the BADGE WAS CROOKED. You think they'd have some spacer to line it up with the bumper or something when they attached it.
I have a Toyota Avalon and a Honda Accord, both from the mid-2000's. Both over ten years old when I got them. Only issues I've had have been water pumps, alternators, old brakes, and an A/C needing recharging. Accord might need a new clutch soon. You know, the kinds of things you'd expect from a car over ten years old. This kind of thing is baffling.
After numerous corporate board meetings regarding these defective cars, they decided to supply cans of spray foam along the assembly line to use as needed.
0:34 yeah, I've been hearing about this for the past few months. Apparently Ford's quality control is cratered so hard that they've had to pull most of this years entire production because of how badly they were assembled. It is an absolute disaster for them. And it's not minor problems, some of them have entire power trains that are not easily fixable.
I just saw on the news today that Ford has to recall 95,000 2014 model F-150s because of transmission problems, so it sounds like they were having troubles more than a decade ago too.
I've got a bought-used 2003 corolla. Not even 180,000 miles on it. Owned it two years. Had to fix a few things, but I plan to drive it until it won't move, or I don't. I'm 58, the "yoda" is 21. We'll see whose moving in a couple of years.
About 20 years ago, I worked in Ratingen in Germany, the local taxi company who alway drove me to Duesseldorf Airport had an "Spare" taxi they used when all the new ones where booked. It was an old mercedes with more than a million KM on the clock. It ran like clockwork, the only thing that was replaced was the Clutch. They don't make them like that anymore
I was blessed because thankfully my 2018 pathfinder with a CVT has 285,000 miles and has never gave me a issue and my 2020 Altima also with a CVT now has 190,000 miles and has never gave me a issue 😅
@@Justaeuropeanman I had a '97 Civic with a CVT and it was miserable until it failed and had to be replaced under warranty. It was never the same after that and I just sold it to be done with it.
My family had one of those in the early to mid 1970's. What a pathetic POS it was. We were relieved to discover the Mazda 808 series of cars after getting rid of the Opel. LOL
We had a 60's kadett sedan under a tree at my house growing up. I was about 6 and decided to explore it. I learned how painful yellowjacket stings were then.
Sadly it applies to most of everything nowadays, somehow buying stuff from a decade ago will still last longer than buying it New. Also gonna propose NEW - Never Ends Well
Well, they were owned by Fiat not too long ago. Dodge/Chrysler/Plymouth have ALWAYS had quality issues, ever since the company was started. Every single one I know of has had problems. Two friends had Reliant Ks - cv joint issues. I had a Colt - engine burned up. My parents had a LeBaron - trash. I owned a Caravan - electrical problems.
The CEO of Stellantis wants to shut down US production and is sending executives from Europe to supervise. He made $40 million this year up from $20 some mil previously. Collect cash, tank the MOPAR brands and call it good.
I just sold my rusty old ford ranger to a guy who had a jeep gladiator. He said the thing is a piece of garbage. Always in the shop for repairs and they fight him tooth and nail on the warranty. He's going to do a little work to the ranger and get rid of the jeep asap.
@@damondiehl5637 ..If you had the 80's and early 90's Chrysler cars with the Mitsubishe 4 cyl and 3.0 6 cyl engines those were junk,like the Japanese built Colt...Dodge/Chrysler/Plymouth have the most reliable vehicles around..slant 6,318,340,360,383,400,413,440 engines are easy 250,0000 mile engines with no major issues just regular maint.. Your 2 friends bought them new? or in the 1990's with 280,000 miles on them? 5 digit odometers after 99,999 they go back to 00,000. Remember new Toyota's have major engine,transmission and more issues..Ditto Ford,G M,Honda etc...
I used to do new car prep, back in the 1970s, at a Chrysler dealer. Proper prep would take about 2 hours. You checked and repaired any body misalignments, which certain plants needed plenty. You checked every nut and bolt on the suspension. You checked every fluid level. You checked engine timing and carburetor adjustment, yes they were carburetors back then. You made sure all the options on the car work properly. When I left that dealer I went to a Chevy dealer, doing light repair, not prep work. I was amazed to find out that new car prep at the Chevy dealer, was to install hubcaps and antenna. Ship it.
Rumor had it decades ago where if your car was assembled on a Monday, it would have been slapped together haphazardly. Same thing for Fridays. These days, it looks like every day of the week is a Monday and a Friday. I bought my 1993 Volvo 240 brand new. It has never been to the dealer for anything. I learned a long time ago to do car repairs big and small myself. Quality is job one at my house. Thirty one years later I still drive my 240 regularly.
I always heard you wanted a Wednesday car, as Monday, they were hung over, Tuesday they were just getting back to the groove, Wednesday was good, Thursday they were slacking because they were tired, Fridaybtheybwere already pregaming for the weekend.
Years ago My Grandfather bought a brand new 1969 Rambler. There was a rattle somewhere in the rear of the car, the salesman told them the service dept would fix it, They couldn't, 3 years later a different AMC dealer found a glass coke bottle inside the rear door, there was a note inside the bottle that said "Monday's are a bitch! Bet you had fun finding this one" Crazy shit! 😂
@manonmars - Agreed. I bought a new car a year and a half ago and at the first oil change the tech spilled oil all over the engine bay and never wiped it up. First time I went to pop the hood after that I was stunned. Then I discovered he didn’t bother to replace the fasteners on the underbody oil pan cover or the oil filter cover either. This was at the dealership I’d just bought it at. I called the service manager and told him and he just started to complain to me about that tech having also broken parts on another new car that week. I said, “First question: Why are you the one complaint to me about your employee? And two: Why is he still working there???”. Then a few months later I had snow tires mounted at a different shop for the winter and they over-torqued the lug nuts so severely they warped my front rotors. Despite getting older I’ve been going back to doing everything I possibly can myself. Thank god for Google and RU-vid videos. Too many techs are either incompetent (or disgruntled) and desperate employers are keeping them employed when they shouldn’t be allowed near customer’s cars. “If you want a job done right…”
A friend of mine has a '94 Volvo 890. Mileage unknown, she bought it with a busted odometer reading 287k. Once in a while she talks about getting rid of it, because the front windows come off the tracks, the A/C doesn't work, and the radio is also dead. I have to keep reminding her the Volvo will likely still be on the road long after she has left the planet. (I'm hoping she leaves it to me in her will. Her family doesn't want it.) I'm a huge fan of the 240s, they may not be flashy, but they are mechanically bulletproof and built like a tank. So easy to work on, too, as there's plenty of room to get in there (literally) with your tools. I had the good fortune of driving a '91 240 Wagon with manual transmission for a few days, and I was really impressed with how effortlessly that car could merge into speeding highway traffic.
2002 Ford Focus 1.6 with 145,000 miles here. One of the most fun-to-drive cars ever - hopefully I don't kill it by driving it too hard. Although I'd probably repair it anyway - it's got sentimental value because it was my dad's last car before he passed away in 2021.
I've got an Impala with 290k, keeping it 'til the wheels fall off, and even then I'll find a way to weld them back on. or use spray foam. Seriously, new cars are literally a roll of the dice
@@vivillager They are and most notoriously with American Car brands (Fords, Chevys, Jeeps and of course Cryslers) the only Car brands i would trust new is Toyota or Honda maybe even Mazda. The Rest of them are a huge gamble.
@@thegreatcanadianlumberjack5307, I hear great things about Toyota and Honda, but as a used car dealer, that buys and sells used cars in the regular course of business, most of my bad luck has been with them. Worse with German luxury, but I avoid those, so they don't affect me much. Keep in mind, everything at auction is there for a reason, otherwise it would be on someone's lot with a For Sale sign on it. Toyota's I rarely get because at auction they are way overpriced that there's no profit in it for me. Most Asian cars I get are Honda's, last two I got both had bad engines. One had a valve cover leak, the oil leaked onto a hose for the heater core, causing the hose to weaken and burst, whoever had it continued to drive it without water until the engine seized. Another, someone ran over a furry, like a dog, cat or raccoon, there was fur stuck to the radiator, lost coolant, and they ran it until the engine seized. So both Honda's needed new engines. On the other hand, I got a Malibu with a misfire, it needed a spark plug and coil. Spark plug wore out, they kept driving until the spark shot out the side of the coil and burned a hole in it. Lucky the misfire didn't ruin the catalytic converter. But the Chevy only needed a 100 bucks to fix. Also got Durango, a furry, like a squirrel, got to the wiring harness to the fuel pump, reason why it wouldn't start. Also got a Lincoln, reason why it wouldn't start was because one of the wires to the transmission corroded and the car couldn't tell what gear it was in, and cars won't start unless it knows it's either in Park or in Neutral. The fix for that car was one wire that the local junkyard that set me back one buck. I'm glad people get good luck with Asian cars, it's just not me
A buddy of mine was driving his 2008 focus, with 297,000 Mi on it, when he totaled it a couple months ago. He bummed, because he couldn't watch it turn 300.
If you pay $50K or something for a new car and it comes with different colored seats, you should be legally allowed to drive it through the wall of whichever one of the CEO's mansions is closest.
My last couple of cars I've bought used, with 30-40K miles on them, where I can research Carfax, and learn the service/maintenance history. I figure if nothing major has happened by 40K miles, it's a good bet the vehicle and powertrain are solid enough to last me a decade or more.
Bathtub failure curve - when things are new, you'll uncover manufacturing defects, when they get old, they fail due to age, but in the middle? Nothing exciting happens.
That’s a good mileage. I remember looking at one particular vehicle from Toyota where every single one for sale around me had 80-90K miles and I found that really strange. Then I stumbled into why. It was because the timing belts were due at that mileage and they cost an absolute fortune and a half to do because they were up against the firewall and there was no leeway with them. They loved to fail if you didn’t do them before 90K miles. Had no interest in buying a vehicle that would feel like a loaded gun until I got it home and the belt changed lol.
That's a pretty good strategy. Remember that Carfax knows of only the repairs that were reported to them. I once had my car repaired after a minor crash and asked the mechanic to not report it because I hadn't reported the crash (nobody else was involved and I didn't want my insurance to increase.) So a clean Carfax is either a clean vehicle owned by an honest person or...not.
be careful with some brands. I work at audi and nothing is allowed to be replaced under warranty unless it's immediate safety concern or a customer complaint. why? because audi makes a shit product and they aren't willing to stand behind their product. but seriously you could easily have 10k worth of repairs at 40k miles on some of our cars. so many common issues for years that they refuse to address.
Coworker just had a new Equinox with the AC not working. After chasing almost every component for a few weeks and even resorting to a FSE coming out, he found that the rubber tip of a blow gun had broken off and was sitting inside the "resonator" in the low side line. Sometimes the tip would get sucked into the port and restrict the flow, other times it would freely bounce around inside it.
They were a NIGHTMARE with 13 common problems here in Australia. And that's with the korean made one. US made versions are usually worse for most korean cars. We get no kia fires and few major issues with them here except the occasional absolute lemon one.
And to think they partnered with Nissan to learn Total Quality Management, once upon a time. I was taking a course in TQM right when the issue with the Explorers flipping because of the times came out in the news. Ford examples were used as the chapter lead-in several times in our textbook.
I used to do some of those pre-delivery inspections (PDI) for a Mitsubishi dealership in like late 90s... I never found anything wrong with them... As the old saying goes... "They don't make em like they used to!" 🤣 🤣
Sadly there will always be issues that are found on new cars, What I care about more, is how the manufacturer responds. I've seen a brand new car need a new wheel bearing (it sounded like a jet engine 😂), I've seen a car with very low KM's need a brand new rear main seal, I've seen a brand new car need a new tail shaft There was one manufacturer that delivered a number of cars without HEAD GASKETS... funny thing is that lasted for quite some time before causing an issue (which is how they found the problem in the first place). And if you want to hear about replacement GENUINE parts, There was one car manufacturer with a particular model, that if you replaced the brake pads (rotors machined as well) with GENUINE pads, the brake pedal became solid as though the brake booster wasn't working.. With no braking effect, no matter how hard you pushed on the solid pedal. One NEW to the workshop mechanic didn't head my warning and he found out pretty quickly that he should have listened to me and installed non-genuine brake pads, He didn't crash but may have needed a new pair of pants (luckily the hand brake / park brake was still working), We pulled out those GENUINE brake pads and replace them with non-genuine..... problem solved. I never did find out what the issue was, the pads had the same thickness etc as other non-genuine..... so 🤔🤷♂
Quality control has been diverted to dealer or customer. If the unit moves on its own, it leaves the factory. If the PDI finds out, you're lucky. If not, you have warranty. Maybe...
@@dave161141 To be honest, nowadays, quality control on almost everything has turned to "customer driven" meaning it's shipped, defective or not, and it's up to the customer to determine if there is an issue. The reason is simple, more units make it out the door, and as long as the company can avoid fixing it, it saves the company some money. On cheaper items, manufacturers are depending upon the customer to give up, and toss it in the trash. It's not just vehicles; it's bikes, toys, it's nearly every type of appliance including washing machines, dryers, refrigerators, water heaters, etc, to everything else sold under the sun.
These are brand new cars, and they are already failing. I drive an Australian built 2000 model Ford Fairlane 5.0 L V8. Best car ever built. A farmer I know has the same model and has done 945,000 km in it.
Sure? Coz I had a 1999 fairlane and the rear suspension rubbers were known to fail early and become near impossible to get. As for the 4.0 6 cylinder, I'm on my 5th and have always owned either fairlanes or falcons, and only ever get 400,000 kms from them, mostly highway miles. Btw there's a serious quality drop in the FG, particularly the Mk2 where they got heavily into plastics under the hood including plastic alternator pulley which was a bad design and keep exploding while driving. The Mk2 even has a plastic intake. And many FGs have starting problems related to the electrical system which wasn't the best design.
I work as a dealer tech at a GM dealer and I used to want to be a master tech. That being said that idea died a long time ago its really hard to be passionate and love what you do for a living and a paycheck when the vehicles are literally junk the second they hit the dealer lot right off the transport truck
The Toyota direct injector issue has been reported on a few 2 litre Corolla hybrids here in the UK - same dynamic force family of engines as the Camry.
Crap! I have a 2022 Corolla with 28K miles that has that same engine. But it has a manual 6 spd transmission that was built in Japan! I'll keep a closer eye on it now.
@@nathanielpreble5108 - It's seems to be a very rare failure, not seen any reports of failures on C-HR or Lexus UX fitted with the same 2 litre hybrid dynamic force power unit.
oh yeah lets have someone else use the warranty of free repairs so when i buy it i know i have to pay for everything that could go wrong even if the problem was that previous owner didnt take care of their car
@@bradhaines3142 its going to run out of warranty eventually whether you own it or not lol. If you buy it from new and fast forward a year, its still going to have the same problems and youll still have to pay for them same as if you bought it a year old at half the price
Better to buy a vehicle that hasn't needed anything seriously wrong fixed under warranty after the 2-3yr lease is up & they've replaced it with another vehicle!
@silverfischdotnet Back in the bad old days of British Leyland, a customer brought in a Marina that "Pulled badly under brakes" Mechanic pulls the front left, disc is good, calipers move properly...removes the right front, pulls the drum off........Hang on a minute....
I once had an acquaintance who worked on the assembly line at a GM factory. He told me so many stories about how he and other assembly line workers would intentionally install parts wrong, not torque things down, and throw random bolts in impossible places to cause rattles for various petty reasons and sometimes no reason at all.
I once worked at a GM dealership and spent 5 hours pulling an interior out of a brand new car to find the massive nut that somebody had kindly left in one of the strengthening cross members in the floor so that it made a rolling rattly noise every time you cornered. Tell your mate thx for that.
...and then they wonder why they're getting laid off because nobody is buying the cars they were paid to build. GM quality is not great and I think we can blame it on the factory workers like your acquaintance.
Sad. I wonder whether management culture leaves workers surly. In my work experience, haughty management harms shopfloor performance, and good managers who genuinely care about the work force and who listen get much better products produced. As an American who lives in Sweden, Swedish managers have generally been better than the occasional American and English ones we would get from time to time.
the logistics problem at the factory is that these components get delivered to the assembly line at the same time the vehicle shows up, so there is no option for the assembly technician to grab another seat to correct the problem. They have no option other than installing the wrong seat to keep the line going because stopping an entire assembly line for this reason is a costly process. The failure started much earlier in the process when the seat was labelled with the wrong barcode at the seat manufacturer and it then processed through the entire logistics system with the error. The system never knew that there was something wrong. The final error happened when the final vehicle inspector at the end of the assembly line did not notice the error and passed the vehicle for delivery instead of flagging it to be pulled out for rework.
The quality of parts is ridiculous. Will the quality ever return? I know manufacturers are trying to make cars replacable like cell phones but that's not economical
