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When do I repair and when do I replace? Both the customer and the wood enter into that decision. Sometimes the wood condition mandates it having to be replaced, but other times the customer's desires, or expense parameters, determine what is to be done, and how. This cutter repair involves some of both aspects; some wood is past preserving, but the customer would like to preserve as much of the original as possible, so hence, the repair instead of the total replacement of the runner.
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@tuberzish
@tuberzish 3 года назад
Greetings from Maine, Dave! I'm a carpenter/woodworker/cabinetmaker/mechanic/farmer/history buff, and I've been watching your videos ever since I found a "physician's buggy" free for the taking 3 or 4 years ago. The undercarriage is in pretty good shape, but the body, upholstery and wheels are all shot - just enough wood and leather left to use for patterns. Thank you for such a thorough (and continuing) education in making wheels. Now I need to practice on some old wagon wheels while I watch your videos over and over . . . This has become my Friday night tradition -- and I love it!
@KipdoesStuff
@KipdoesStuff 3 года назад
I'd love to have an old wagon or buggy to fix up.
@EngelsCoachShop
@EngelsCoachShop 3 года назад
Great fun Nate. Enjoy!
@greggminkoff6733
@greggminkoff6733 2 года назад
I always enjoy watching a true Craftsman working. I'm retired now but I did specialty welding, fabrication and repair. Aside from the skills needed to complete a repair, attention to the smallest detail is what sets a Craftsman above just a worker. I took great pride in doing my work to the highest level. You do the same. Sadly, we are dinosaurs. Hardly anybody works like that anymore and that's a shame. Best regards
@BruceEEvans1
@BruceEEvans1 3 года назад
Thank you for keeping the background music to a level where I don't feel like I am being assaulted.
@TheAndyJBall
@TheAndyJBall 3 года назад
another source of saturday morning enjoyment here in UK, Dave at his best doing what is right and doing it to the very best standard. simple, straightorward and giving a sled ?? another 20 years life.
@outbackcountry512
@outbackcountry512 3 года назад
Watching this type of Craftsmanship really helps take your mind off all the stress of what's taking place in this world today .
@joaobarulho9124
@joaobarulho9124 3 года назад
Realmente
@countryboyscooter3402
@countryboyscooter3402 3 года назад
Amen!!!
@arthurboddie5261
@arthurboddie5261 3 года назад
Not just your skills are shown. It's your care you put into each piece that's shown.
@aserta
@aserta 3 года назад
ECS is my happy place, i let Dave put up two videos, and then watch them back to back for utter relaxation.
@dave_in_florida
@dave_in_florida 3 года назад
yes, just don't work on any more of those democrat buggies!
@Heycody64
@Heycody64 3 года назад
Not just your skills are shown. It's your care you put into each piece that's shown.
@joaobarulho9124
@joaobarulho9124 3 года назад
Exatamente.
@jacquesmartin9460
@jacquesmartin9460 3 года назад
Love you craftmanship! Your an expert!
@ellisc.foleyjr9778
@ellisc.foleyjr9778 3 года назад
P.S. it was a joy to see LIlly doing such a fine job of sweeping up, tell her for me she did an excellant job. and so did her parents. Kudos to them also.
@marshallmoneymaker8322
@marshallmoneymaker8322 3 года назад
I'm so jealous of Lilly, I didn't get to sweep when I stopped by for a visit. (insert sad face here)
@mturallo
@mturallo 3 года назад
Totally noticed that! Attention to detail and pride in your actions is noticeable regardless of the task at hand. That was straight up some good sweepin'!
@banjopete
@banjopete 3 года назад
Good little worker!
@EngelsCoachShop
@EngelsCoachShop 3 года назад
She was a ray of sunshine.
@marlinkojak9882
@marlinkojak9882 2 года назад
never get tired of watching your skilled hands at work
@JayNguyen-qd7fk
@JayNguyen-qd7fk 3 года назад
Very fine sleigh...great irons...good shapes and remarkable shape , given its age ~ 85+ years..! Nice example and that's all.! Bravo
@bruce9959
@bruce9959 3 года назад
Entertaining and frustrating as I cannot draw a straight line with a ruler. How anyone can thumbs down any of Dave's videos and level of craftsmanship is beyond comprehension.
@janellerae8160
@janellerae8160 3 года назад
I wish I had inherited Dad’s ability to free hand a straight line!
@nakamakai5553
@nakamakai5553 3 года назад
I don't know what I'd do without special artisans like this in my life, especially in Covid times. This is soooo much better than anything on TV
@steveaustin4118
@steveaustin4118 3 года назад
always enjoy the process, be it replacing spokes on a wheel or rebuilding a wreck, the attention to detail makes every video a pleasure to watch.
@rickfehrenback3851
@rickfehrenback3851 3 года назад
Well Said Steve
@patrickcolahan7499
@patrickcolahan7499 Год назад
Always a pleasure to watch a highly skilled craftsman at work. Thanks for sharing.
@barkingdoggai
@barkingdoggai 3 года назад
I learn something knew about using tools every time I watch the videos.
@billshipley9027
@billshipley9027 3 года назад
You are a pure Joy to watch. Not only entertaining but very informative. Your not only make a living doing this but make History come back to life. Thank you for your love of preservation and restoration of these historic pieces for keep on the road. I own Chuckwagons and I know where I'll send my wheels and other items I need repaired in the future.
@ellisc.foleyjr9778
@ellisc.foleyjr9778 Год назад
Well just watched this again this time on 4/27/2023, so we'll see how long it takes before I watch it again. just love the intricacy of the joints and the time and preparation you take with each off set joint great craftsmanship. as always. and as always a pleasure to watch again. and to remind me of things to watch out for in my own endeavors. thanks again for sharing Dave. ECF
@richardsims1805
@richardsims1805 Год назад
Just another masterful repair by Dr. Dave Engels!
@joezaloga
@joezaloga 3 года назад
Thank you for letting me look over your shoulder while you work. I enjoy Learning the tricks of the traid. They come in handy with the stuff that I do around my house so thank you again.
@michaelwrenn4993
@michaelwrenn4993 3 года назад
The significant lesson for me from this video, is the importance of marking as-built elements in place and matching new elements to existing structure. No amount of measurement can reproduce an element well and in least time as the way you do it. I seems the obvious way to do it until you are faced with the task for the first time. Watching you do it helps a lot. Thanks for this excellent video.
@EngelsCoachShop
@EngelsCoachShop 3 года назад
Yes, doing a repair in the middle, and having the steel runner still fit, is a challenge. That element is missed by many, but evidently not by you. Thanks.
@ellisc.foleyjr9778
@ellisc.foleyjr9778 3 года назад
Well Watched it again, and again got as much enjoyment out of it as the first time. And as usual I always spot something I missed the first time around. "Repetition, Reaps- Rewards" thanks again Dave for another lesson and for sharing.
@christophermignone2434
@christophermignone2434 3 года назад
Thanks for sharing. Watching you cut the runner with a hacksaw brought back a lot of great memories of my grandfather teaching me to use a saw by having me saw up scrap wood with a hacksaw.
@EngelsCoachShop
@EngelsCoachShop 3 года назад
We all think they can only be used on steel, but they're real effective as a fine tooth wood saw. I like the 18 tpi.
@barkingdoggai
@barkingdoggai 3 года назад
Well done. You bring an understanding of how things were done by native craftsmen in days long ago. About the only thing that appears in public and is a work of art, is your work. Your videos should be made available to the education professions to be an example to the kids what quality was in the past. Other examples I’ve seen are gunstocks made for my shotguns and those put out by Kolar on their guns.
@timbradley5848
@timbradley5848 3 года назад
I asked myself...How's he going to do that cut?......Oh, that's how. Very smart Dave, I'm always learning something.
@js53168
@js53168 3 года назад
Yea, I've never seen the sideways blade in the saw trick either.
@paulstanding7267
@paulstanding7267 3 года назад
Nice minimal repairs on an old sledge ( how old would it be ) when you put the oil on the old wood it just sucked it up like a sponge.You should give Lilly a job makes a nice cleaner you all take care 😀😀😀👍
@fordfan3179
@fordfan3179 3 года назад
Something therapeutic about watching the parts come back to life
@jesusmarrero4328
@jesusmarrero4328 3 года назад
Have been watching for a while since I discovered your wonderful channel. I look forward to Fridays sitting down with a nice cup of java to enjoy your craftsmanship, if only for a little while. Than you Sir !!!
@EngelsCoachShop
@EngelsCoachShop 3 года назад
Thank you.
@petegraham1458
@petegraham1458 3 года назад
Nicely done an adequate repair to help a bit of history keep functional. Simply Perfect! Well done!
@oc2phish07
@oc2phish07 3 года назад
Wonderful and extremely interesting video. (As always). So many techniques being shown, and hand skills. And Lilly was an adorable extra to the programme. I am just struggling to understand how anyone could dislike this. There are 9 dislikes as I write this and I was wondering if there are 9 rival wheel-building companies in Joliet full of jealous competitors. Loved this Dave, and looking forward to the next.
@michaelcann280
@michaelcann280 2 года назад
I am so glad the owner could fund the repair and keep romantics alive a little longer. cleaned up would be a super sleigh> no one could have done a better job of it to.
@Mtlmshr
@Mtlmshr 3 года назад
I’ve been watching for quite some time and I must say I’m never disappointed in anything you do! From the beginning of every video and the explanation of what it is you will be doing then (with little to no words) you do the job and with your actions explain everything you do! You have many talents and that is one of your better ones. So from one tradesman to another I thank for your time that you give us and the devotion to your trade! Rolf, Sonoma California
@MichaelJones59
@MichaelJones59 3 года назад
I really enjoyed watching this repair, such fine craftsmanship. I would still like to see a video of the four runner sled you built last winter in action. You continue to amaze me with your knowledge of all of these vehicles. Thank you for taking us along for the ride.
@EngelsCoachShop
@EngelsCoachShop 3 года назад
I did get a short clip that I'll share.
@mikedudley3053
@mikedudley3053 3 года назад
Nut faces square to the long axis, signature feature. Brilliant.
@marvincarvin1846
@marvincarvin1846 3 года назад
That is called "clocking your nuts" ..... honestly!
@bigredc222
@bigredc222 3 года назад
I'll put a straight edge over a row of slotted screws to make sure all the slots line up perfectly.
@mikedudley3053
@mikedudley3053 3 года назад
@@marvincarvin1846 Painless too, it seems! Thanks Marvin.
@jeanfrancoischevallier6630
@jeanfrancoischevallier6630 3 года назад
Bonjour de France, et bravo pour cette réparation de luge. Magnifique comme toujours. Et merci pour vos films très plaisants.
@DeereX748
@DeereX748 Год назад
Two words about sweeping sawdust: Shop Vac. You're amazing with your saw cuts and how well the fit is afterward with little to no trim work or chisel shaving. For those cuts in the middle where you turn your saw blade sideways, have you ever tried an oscillating saw? I never stop enjoying watching you work.
@steveshoemaker6347
@steveshoemaker6347 3 года назад
Looks like a runner in more ways than on....To me...Excellent....Thanks my friend....Just love watching your video's...
@Evel1847
@Evel1847 3 года назад
There’s no other word to describe this but “craftsmanship” pure and simple. Such a joy to watch thank you
@countryboyscooter3402
@countryboyscooter3402 3 года назад
I could watch you work for hours! A true Craftsman!!!!
@RobertFay
@RobertFay 3 года назад
*I learned a lot watching the skill/experience needed to see how to do this so quickly/easily. It is nice to watch.* *In some ways it might have been easier to make a whole new runner, but I do get-it that for many people there is worth in preserving the sentiment buried in what the old runner holds, too.*
@ChrisBrummitt
@ChrisBrummitt 3 года назад
Lovely repair work... a moment of calm knowing it's going to be perfect. Thanks Mr Engels.
@johnstainton9815
@johnstainton9815 3 года назад
A joy to watch, thanks. John from Scotland.
@billy19461
@billy19461 3 года назад
Mighty hard to find craftsmanship like this today.
@mikeunum
@mikeunum 3 года назад
I do things like that in my free time. Not fast but precise as possible. They are old wodden play toys. I use so far as possible old wood what is like the lifetime of that toy. I'm looking for old wood or furniture on sesond hand markets or get some really old stuff from France or Poland. Most of these toys have a romantic base and some of them are really pricy but at the end you have to see the eyes of the people who bring loved but damaged toys to me and at the end it is fixed. These glimes in the eyes is more worth then any money.
@petert3355
@petert3355 3 года назад
There are still a few master craftsmen about. Sadly they are getting fewer and fewer as the years go by. We really need, as a society, to preserve these skills before it is to late.
@mikeunum
@mikeunum 3 года назад
@@petert3355 You don/t know how right you are. Here in the Netherlands we have a lot of old windmills. The society work as a miller is based on free time. The last years we get less and less young people how will learn that work. A government initiative has started some years ago and all privtae clubs around our windmills working together in this. Step by step some younger folks came by and started to learn. Also girls are in in this work involved and they love it. We are very proud of our windmills it is a tradition. They work as waterpumps to fill land parts before the winter and regulate the water stand in the summer, others do grind grain, some others sawing wood. All of them have generators to power light and other needed things. It has nothing to do with the wagon work but it is also an very old craftmen ship.
@billy19461
@billy19461 3 года назад
@@petert3355 You are so right!
@frasermacdougall7610
@frasermacdougall7610 3 года назад
Looks to me that everything we see you doing in the shop is a labour of love. Everything fits perfectly.
@scimitar818
@scimitar818 3 года назад
Now we know where Santa gets his sleigh serviced! Great job Dave! Lilly is sure a step up from the two bucket excavators you had cleaning up the workshop a while back!😄👍
@alhoffland4409
@alhoffland4409 3 года назад
Gas water heater burners
@Indepthreview
@Indepthreview 3 года назад
Very impressive. You make it look so matter of fact. Which is a true testament to your skill. Thanks for a great video.
@GavinFreedomLover
@GavinFreedomLover 3 года назад
Probably now my favourite channel !!
@charlescompton4495
@charlescompton4495 3 года назад
Repair work in masonry has taught me the importance to detail. Really enjoyed watching you do the repairs; hope the owners appreciate the detail, Greg.
@ellisc.foleyjr9778
@ellisc.foleyjr9778 3 года назад
No matter how many times I watch you work Dave I am still in awe and amazed at your talents and ingenuity.Oh! and a belated Happy Thanksgiving to you and your family. thanks for all and thanks for sharing.
@EngelsCoachShop
@EngelsCoachShop 3 года назад
Was nice here and I hope yours, and everyones, was enjoyable also.
@olddawgdreaming5715
@olddawgdreaming5715 3 года назад
Fantastic job Dave. Definitely can cost more sometimes when you want a part repaired instead of replaced but sometimes you have to do exactly what the customer wants. Thanks for sharing with us. Fred.👍👍👍👍👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻
@EngelsCoachShop
@EngelsCoachShop 3 года назад
Very true.
@youenn2180
@youenn2180 3 года назад
Every step is a goldmine for people who like working wood and metal , who may have to solve such problems , here we can see the best , that is at the same time the simpliest way to do so ... If only your workshop was round the corner...
@dougrobison1156
@dougrobison1156 3 года назад
HEY DAVE! I always put up a sign in the company workshop " A Clean Shop Is A Happy Shop, Get Happy, Stay Happy! " Always nice to have a sweepin" helper. ;-)
@johnking8679
@johnking8679 2 года назад
Very interesting !! Having immigrated legally from what was called Rhodesia, we never had a need or use for this type of toboggan !! What a beautiful repair job !!
@jdmccorful
@jdmccorful 3 года назад
Love the joint fitting with the hack saw. A real sense of art to matching the runners up. Could definitely hear a difference in wood density when you were tapping on the new hickory verses old wood left. Your ribbeting job was great education. Really enjoyed watching, thanks.
@thirzapeevey2395
@thirzapeevey2395 3 года назад
They aren't very practical anymore, and they don't get much use, but when you do have that rare perfect moment, they are a blast. All you need is a snow coming down faster than the county can remove it, or an abandoned road. I've gotten to do that several times, and it was some of the most fun I have had. They are kinda hard pulling though, and they wear the horse down faster than a buggy. They can get really hot, and you have to watch them. Sleighs turn over awfully easy too (ask me how I know). There is a reason for that verse in Jingle Bells.
@dennis2376
@dennis2376 3 года назад
I did not remember that versus and had to look it up. :) Cool thank you. Buggies can be very temperamental if you go to fast.
@thirzapeevey2395
@thirzapeevey2395 3 года назад
@@dennis2376 So can horses... :)
@D989501L
@D989501L 3 года назад
I was also looking at the lap joints thinking that one cut on the short edge was to short? Should have known better, you could then see the joint adjusted with the Hacksaw so it was perfect, learnt something else today as usual from watching Dave.
@EngelsCoachShop
@EngelsCoachShop 3 года назад
Yes, a bit of planning to get the joints to align all together. Thanks.
@peternicholsonu6090
@peternicholsonu6090 3 года назад
Thankyou Lilly..many of us would love to have worked with you. The guy in red standing around with arms folded: “if you don’t want to help, at least hold tools or a folder so you look like you’re doing something.”
@oldtrucker672
@oldtrucker672 3 года назад
PLEASE don't retire any time soon. Your videos are like therapy. Thanks so much!
@annverleedowns311
@annverleedowns311 3 года назад
Sweet Santa's ride is fixed we all thank you for a awesome job the grand kids are excited 🤠
@jessicabuckman9675
@jessicabuckman9675 Год назад
You sir are definately a great craftsman. Well done!
@bobdavis5216
@bobdavis5216 3 года назад
Once a again I learned something new- drilling for the saw to fit. Thanks Dave
@jk3dad
@jk3dad 3 года назад
I thought the same thing, I try to figure out how Dave is going to proceed with the next step in these repairs. Sometimes I have it figured out, alot of times I end up learning something new.
@chuckthebull
@chuckthebull 3 года назад
Whenever I watch I get reminded of great techniques and learn new ones.. really a pleasure to watch..and sweeping up after would be an honor,, Lilly is the greatest. Now that's a work ethic.
@alexisdeville3605
@alexisdeville3605 3 года назад
Such a multi talented man, thank you for doing this for us!
@richardbrobeck2384
@richardbrobeck2384 3 года назад
Nice Job and that is Great you were about to Allow Lilly to help out. It is great because really helps to build their self-esteem and them feel wanted .
@outlaw7x77
@outlaw7x77 3 года назад
That is some creative use of that Hacksaw...I learned something today.
@mikehole9530
@mikehole9530 3 года назад
Outstanding job, Your craftmanship and attention to detail never ceases to amaze me.
@stephenrice4554
@stephenrice4554 Год назад
Always a pleasure to watch and learn 👍🇬🇧
@duanelundgren7985
@duanelundgren7985 3 года назад
Hi Mr. Dave! My thought was that the owner would be downright HAPPY with his cutter!! I'm hoping they have a nicely refurbished and well padded seat to put on. They may get some use out it this winter if they don't dally :-) Very enjoyable video!! Thanks!!
@Evel1847
@Evel1847 3 года назад
So much wisdom in every cut
@warrencraig6948
@warrencraig6948 3 года назад
just great viewing love your work .great job Lilly
@demonknight7965
@demonknight7965 3 года назад
Ahhhhh finally some decent entertainment Gotta love friday
@johnjarvis8185
@johnjarvis8185 3 года назад
Either need more Fridays or more Daves.
@demonknight7965
@demonknight7965 3 года назад
@@johnjarvis8185 If we could get more like Dave or more Dave Videos that Would be great
@kpsaxon1
@kpsaxon1 3 года назад
If its constructed of steel and wood 😊 Your the man ✔👍😊💖
@dave_in_florida
@dave_in_florida 3 года назад
looks like blacksmith steel too
@floydpeters9494
@floydpeters9494 3 года назад
I like the use of a hacksaw for fine cuts, people are reaching out for more exotic saws for the Same processes. Thanks for the “old school” tech.
@rodneywroten2994
@rodneywroten2994 3 года назад
And it is fun to watch you as always. Thanks Mr. Engels
@keepcalmandfarmon5401
@keepcalmandfarmon5401 3 года назад
Opening title" "A time to patch and a time to replace" -- I got your reference to Ecclesiastes 3. I enjoy your videos and appreciate your efforts in making a video library...
@larrykelly2838
@larrykelly2838 3 года назад
Amazing repair, not many people could do that. Be safe, take care. Hope ye had a Happy Thanksgiving, Abba has given us in this country many blessings.
@EngelsCoachShop
@EngelsCoachShop 3 года назад
Very true.
@sandrawest4118
@sandrawest4118 3 года назад
I am new to your videos, and I have subscribed. It's a joy to see a Master like you do work that is perfection. Thank you! Peace 💫
@richardthaxton8469
@richardthaxton8469 3 года назад
Nice job Mr. Engles.
@ahvavee
@ahvavee 3 года назад
At work building cabinets watching dave. Life is g double o d good. Enjoy the holidays. Health and happiness
@steveadams99708
@steveadams99708 3 года назад
Wonderful repair. Always a joy to watch you work!
@OGDIS66
@OGDIS66 3 года назад
Well, that was just real nice of Lilly! As always, throughly enjoy your eye on detail and scholarly craftsmanship. Such a rarity these days. Watching a master use his tools of the trades. I do hope you are a Christian, a brother in Christ.
@genegoodman5233
@genegoodman5233 3 года назад
As always I did enjoy watching. Take care and stay safe.
@vicmiller7191
@vicmiller7191 3 года назад
I do like watching a craftsman work his magic, and great job Lilly on the floor. Thanks for sharing …Vic
@LTVoyager
@LTVoyager 3 года назад
Looks like a very efficient sweeper you have there!
@warrenholmar1129
@warrenholmar1129 3 года назад
Another great video, I love the "that will do" attitude when working with wood. The fact that you can sort it with a rasp later. Same goes with the rivets you cut the off with bolt cutters then pean the end over (or mash it into the recess in the metalwork) I think I mentioned in a previous video, I grew up near a joiners shop and so much of how they worked I see here. Great content As always stay safe!
@blackandgus
@blackandgus 3 года назад
It was thoughtful of you to repair a sleigh of any kind... just before Christmas. Thanks, Dave.
@thisolesignguy2733
@thisolesignguy2733 3 года назад
Always love your work, it's gotten to be my routine every week and I rush home after work to watch. Thanks for the videos! Hope you guys had a good Thanksgiving!
@johnwright6706
@johnwright6706 3 года назад
Have you seen the battery powered bolt cutters? Manual cutters are good enough, but sometimes a new toy is also nice to have.
@zweg1321
@zweg1321 3 года назад
Thank you for bringing us along with your repairs
@bristol8042
@bristol8042 3 года назад
....Your master skills as a wheelwright, remind me of the Master Skills of a Shipwright....... ...thank you for time and patience for showing your video's..........
@pablocardoso777
@pablocardoso777 3 года назад
All around the world is the same. The prentice must start in the cleaning. Excellent job sir. I always see your videos.
@xoxo2008oxox
@xoxo2008oxox 3 года назад
Love your videos, how you have a low-volume background soundtrack with you pointing out work, changes and what you are doing to the sleigh, and other wagon repairs. And thanks for showing your helper!
@jimpad5608
@jimpad5608 3 года назад
Every Friday evening I learn a new technique that will make one of my future projects so much easier and much higher quality. Thanks for helping me get better.
@jefffung8679
@jefffung8679 3 года назад
I'd say that all your work is Intricate, oldbean. And a joy to watch.
@dearanel936
@dearanel936 3 года назад
Now I'm ready to go over the hills and through the woods to Grandma's house I really enjoyed watching this thank you
@mahlonharders1789
@mahlonharders1789 3 года назад
another super job well done . YOU are a master of your craft!!!!
@jimschowe2770
@jimschowe2770 2 года назад
Thank you for sharing.... I always learn from your techniques.
@josephmarino3045
@josephmarino3045 Год назад
Wonderful video. Mesmerizing to watch. Lot of pieces have to be tweaked and aligned. Wood repair has to match the original one exactly to match the iron work.
@franktaylor5417
@franktaylor5417 3 года назад
Love watching from New Brunswick Canada
@outbackcountry512
@outbackcountry512 3 года назад
Cape Breton , here watching as well , my daughter lives in Fredericton going to STU
@yourRenoGuy
@yourRenoGuy 3 года назад
It’s pleasure to see you do this kind of repairs. It’s a lost ART. Cheers.
@thefixerofbrokenstuff
@thefixerofbrokenstuff 3 года назад
Really like the intro, good job Mr. Ecclesiastes.
@captainhgreen
@captainhgreen 3 года назад
The touch of the masters hand. I still learn something every time I watch you work on a project. Thanks
@davidlindsey436
@davidlindsey436 3 года назад
Enjoyed watching the process
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