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Cutting a Double Start Acme Thread 

Stuart de Haro
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Here is a job I had to tackle recently at work. It is a replacement valve stem for an outdoor faucet. The material is brass and it needed a double start stub acme thread. The stub acme has a couple of different variations. One has a 60 degree thread angle with a wide flat, and then this style, which I believe is more common. It has the same 29.5 degree angle as a regular acme, but is only about half as deep.
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@JeremiahL
@JeremiahL 3 года назад
Awesome. Do you just get the rough dimensions for your acme cutting tool from machinery hand book? How do you grind something like that, and get it close enough that you can match the thread form with confidence? Thanks for the video.
@StuartdeHaro
@StuartdeHaro 3 года назад
They make thread gages for acme threads just like the ones for unified national/ISO threads (60 degree thread form). They are used in much the same way. Grind a bit, check the angle, grind more, check, get really close, check, make a small adjustment and screw it all up, curse a bunch, start over. The big difference is that acme threads have a wide flat on the end of the thread that is very different in size depending on thread pitch. Actually, UN/ISO threads have a flat too, but it is quite small and you can get away with using the same tool to cut multiple thread pitches. Not so with acme threads. The acme thread gage has numerous notches on the sides to help you grind the correct flat. If I get a chance, I'll shoot a short video on it. Great question! Thanks for watching!
@StuartdeHaro
@StuartdeHaro 3 года назад
Hi Jeremiah. I put up a video showing the acme threading gage. You can find it here: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-K0mcGgGS5m0.html
@JeremiahL
@JeremiahL 3 года назад
@@StuartdeHaro i saw it. Perfect explanation. Thank you
@StuartdeHaro
@StuartdeHaro 3 года назад
@@JeremiahL you're very welcome! Thanks for the question.
@robertoswalt319
@robertoswalt319 3 года назад
Those features on the Monarch have to be incredible to use for production runs.
@StuartdeHaro
@StuartdeHaro 3 года назад
It is really fantastic.
@bwcordes
@bwcordes 3 года назад
Another terrific video. I'm really looking forward to Mondays since you've started releasing videos once a week.
@StuartdeHaro
@StuartdeHaro 3 года назад
I'm starting to feel the pressure actually. I've got one more scheduled and one being edited right now. Then I've got to start filming like a madman.
@bwcordes
@bwcordes 3 года назад
@@StuartdeHaro I can imagine. Have you thought about doing some live streaming like Richard Holdener does? Maybe a video every other week and a live stream on the off weeks? Either way, keep the content coming. I've been watching a ton of machining videos since you have started this.
@StuartdeHaro
@StuartdeHaro 3 года назад
@@bwcordes I've thought about it. I'm not sure I'm properly set up for it though. I'll look into it.
@jeffanderson4979
@jeffanderson4979 11 месяцев назад
Great video. Clean the Monarch.
@joell439
@joell439 2 года назад
Fascinating approach. Thanks for sharing 👍👍😎👍👍
@stevechambers9166
@stevechambers9166 3 года назад
Nicely done 👍👍👍👍
@garymucher9590
@garymucher9590 3 года назад
Interesting concept and great video. Thanks for the info. Thumbs Up!
@chrisstephens6673
@chrisstephens6673 3 года назад
That worked out fine but i wonder if some no nothing will comment that you cant cut threads with the top slide parallel to the axis of the lathe and it really must be at half the thread angle because they saw it on youtube😉 If i were doing that job i might have not cut such a deep thread relief till after the threading was complete to encourage a stiffer work piece but thank goodness we are all different. It's always the destination that matters never how you got there. Some folks need to be there quickly others enjoy the scenic route. I often enjoy the journey more than the final result, hence making tools but never sctually using them.😂
@electech3339
@electech3339 Год назад
Not necessary in brass. Mostly not necessary in steel either.
@chrisstephens6673
@chrisstephens6673 Год назад
@@electech3339 indeed, if cutting a 6tpi perhaps but more regular threads quite unnecessary.
@electech3339
@electech3339 Год назад
@@chrisstephens6673 Agreed. I generally only infeed at an angle if having trouble with finish or chip control. And try threading at 0.5 TPI... Especially for internal threading, often need to cut every thread surface separately - and sometimes split even *those* into halves!
@chrisstephens6673
@chrisstephens6673 Год назад
@@electech3339 have you seen a "clapper box" threading tool? If not take a look at my video about screw thread cutting, so you think you know an easy way, showing an up dated victorian design.
@electech3339
@electech3339 Год назад
@@chrisstephens6673 nope, had not seen that style, very neat. I have seen the spring loaded style ones that shoot back out of the cut once they're triggered. Those need to be reset after reversing back out past the end of the part. Those are pretty cool too, and don't require any relief groove.
@greglaroche1753
@greglaroche1753 Год назад
Interesting video. Thanks!
@mchiodox69
@mchiodox69 3 года назад
brilliant. Nicely done!
@1SirAnthony
@1SirAnthony 3 года назад
Good video.
@turningpoint6643
@turningpoint6643 3 года назад
Nicely demonstrated and impressive that Monarch will cut a thread pitch that coarse. It should be mentioned that for more standard, lighter weight lathes most at the hobby level will have it's not recommended to cut any threads per inch coarser than the feed screw pitch is due to the stress put on the gearing components. It can still be done by hand or with an add on independent power feed by back driving the lathes spindle and part with the feed screw. Chaddock's book Building the Quorn tool grinder details the problem and his solution. In his case he was thread milling a part with a 1 tpi pitch using a manual lathe with an 8 tpi feed screw.
@StuartdeHaro
@StuartdeHaro 3 года назад
Interesting. I've never heard that. The Monarch will cut down to 1.5 TPI with a 4 TPI leadscrew. I'm pretty sure my lathe at home will do 4 TPI and it has an 8 TPI leadscrew and it is pretty light.
@turningpoint6643
@turningpoint6643 3 года назад
@@StuartdeHaro I've read it in a few older books written in the U.K. And those were from well respected authors so I'd assume there's something to it. And most lathes with change gearing there thread charts I've looked at never seem to list any thread pitch less than the lead screw pitch. More industrial type lathes are a different animal though. Hardened and ground helical gearing will obviously take a lot more than the light weight spur gears mine have.
@highpwr
@highpwr 3 года назад
@@StuartdeHaro My home lathe has an 8 TPI lead screw as well and will cut 8 different threads between 4 - 7 TPI. The key words here are '_older books_'. South Bend's book "How to Run a Lathe" caused me quite a bit of grief when I first tried single pointing threads on that lathe. Following the information in that "older book" on using the threading dial was a disaster when applied to my more modern lathe. Using the chart in the owners manual however works just fine.
@nadam35
@nadam35 3 года назад
excellent video!
@somebodyelse6673
@somebodyelse6673 2 года назад
Stick the pins in styrofoam so they sit in the grooves, so much less trouble holding stuff!
@RalfyCustoms
@RalfyCustoms 3 года назад
Wonderful stuff, very well done, thanks for sharing, new sub here
@larrysperling8801
@larrysperling8801 3 года назад
very good video. i was wondering since you were only using the thread wires for a comparison why couldn't you have just used two wires and a mic to measure the thread depth?
@StuartdeHaro
@StuartdeHaro 3 года назад
I could have. The thread pitch is very coarse though and I think that would have made it even harder to get a good measurement.
@wktodd
@wktodd 3 года назад
That would have quite some pukka factor without a machine stop :-)
@StuartdeHaro
@StuartdeHaro 3 года назад
Probably, but I think it wouldn't be too bad. The groove at the end gave a lot of room.
@bloodganggroupofficial
@bloodganggroupofficial 2 года назад
This is 4,tpi inch's??
@StuartdeHaro
@StuartdeHaro 2 года назад
Yep. 4 TPI double start, so the machine was actually set to 2 TPI.
@jpsimon206
@jpsimon206 3 года назад
Why no cutting oil? Brass is so grabby... Enlighten me
@jpsimon206
@jpsimon206 3 года назад
And no tailstock support? And the thread relief being fully cut before threading? I feel like I'm missing some vital piece of information, what gives?
@jpsimon206
@jpsimon206 3 года назад
Sorry, I just read my own comment and realized it could be misinterpreted as being nasty. I'm not critiquing, just looking to learn something I don't understand
@StuartdeHaro
@StuartdeHaro 3 года назад
@@jpsimon206 brass is really only grabby when drilling, and just when the drill starts to break through the other side. I never use cutting oil when machining brass. It doesn't stick to the tool like aluminum. It won't wear down a tool quickly like steel or stainless. The thread relief was actually a critical feature on the part that slipped into a channel on the mating part. I could have machined it in later but honestly didn't think about it. The thread was quite short and stout so I didn't think tailstock support was necessary.
@sajaldebnath5804
@sajaldebnath5804 2 года назад
Who needs micrometer sir
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