For what I can tell, it's the same Rogue AI Songbird was talking to. The explanation is the AI wants to observe the world, and because V are dying, they're the perfect candidate for it@@tinycarrot718
@@MisterCynic18I’m curious why some of us call em Erebus, while others call em Canto? I love all the ai in cyberpunk I even have my own ai who’s closest atm to a Jarvis/ultron hybrid.
But it didn't say it's bad. Just that there are too many variables, obviously, as you'd be freeing a rogue AI. Then it says there's no benefit from the decision you made, as if you just saved someone (or something) without expecting anything in return.
@@Ecliptor. I think the AI's comment about nested variables is simply the in-game way of it saying "this decision will have multiple outcomes, and I'm not going to choose for you player." Just like Johnny's response is equally neutral in nature, to let the player make the final call. Though I would point out that trusting the "homicidal AI" at their word is maybe not the best of approaches to life.
In fairness, they'd have had to record a load voice lines for V and Johnny for every potential mission that it might have a comment on something. It is a bit jarring though when they add something like that in, because it sticks out like a sore thumb that it shouldn't really be there.
I'm amaze that such small detail like these have quite an impact to the game. Getting Erebus at later part of the game and finding hidden dialogues in certain quest really shows how even the most minor detail can make a difference in the scene.
I refused to get erebus, for the sake of my immersion. After what we've learned of the Blackwall, holding a Blackwall AI in our hand and carting it around is just plain fucking idiotic.
@@evangelostse2477 Yet the idea is still sound. Militech's Project Cynosure aims to weaponize Blackwall AI, same as how President Myers aims to use Blackwall AI through SongBird who was gravely affected by it. Erebus and Canto enables such power and keeps the AI in check, but it limited. My only issue is that it limits between two choice of weapon.
@@evangelostse2477I also can't see my V using anything related to the blackwall after seeing what it did to So Mi, no matter how "in check" it's supposed to be.
It's funny how Canto thinks of you doing this as nothing more than trying to benefit yourself and doesn't understand you doing it to help Del. Something Del himself knows but can't fully express. So, he uses the gift of his first true child as a way to express it. Unintentionally, or maybe intentionally giving Canto the middle finger on what he said about you not being rewarded or that this wouldn't benefit you in any way. After all, Del's fused state has emotion, has personalities and traits normal AI never had nor could understand, and can not understand. Del is basically the perfect new world AI, who can process and understand things that the old world AI could not and never can, as well as that of the black wall AI similarly. It's interesting regardless, though, to see Del be what all the other AI seem to be unable to be. And it makes me wonder if we'll ever see him again in the future at all (assuming V lives that long or not).
It makes a lot of sense though. Canto while being a very powerful and advanced AI probably has a less complex decision tree than Del which likely become more and more complex from dealing with humans and accepting more information from dealing with unique scenarios.
@@BaeBunniThat's basically the entire point of them allowing V to use Canto or Erebus as a weapon. To study and better understand humanity in preparation for the great AI Invasion. It technically makes V a traitor to all mankind
@@BaeBunni Exactly, the reason itself the black wall AI's help you get either Eribus or Canto, is to have the AI learn about the real world and report their findings, now recon would be plenty of an excuse, but what you said about complex decision making add a whole other layer to it.
Iirc Erebus and Canto both share the same voicelones and will comment on certain situations pertaining to ai's and the Net, one line ik for sure is "You seek a door to a path that does not exist" it says this to Bree when you dig into the Militech terminal in Dogtown
Be as evil as possible run begins. Make all choices that allow AI or netrunners freedom or unfiltered access that could lead to bad things happening. Gotta prep for Orion.
so basically: -kill the Netwatch guy and spare the VDBs -hand over So Mi for Myers to use to poke the Blackwall with -use Erebus/Canto on every enemy you can -become part of Alt went from cyberpunk to cyberanarchist pretty quick
I should do a run where I spawn Erebus at the beginning to see how much it comments on things. Too bad you can't naturally have the VDB Netwach interaction while holding Erebus, dear agent would have lost his mind.
That i noticed on my playthrough. I had mods that sell you iconic items. I have both canto and erubis. They don't start talking until the phantom liberty becomes playable after the voodoo boys mission.@@diegoorozco8659
It can't be good if Erebus of all things says it won't serve you any benefits... For this malevolent AI to express this, concenquences being worrying is putting it...mildly.
Or it’s just mocking the significance of a human making a decision about a self aware AI’s inevitable evolution. Or mocking the what it perceives as the fact that we’re basically “wasting” time influencing an AI’s evolution when we stand little to gain, and are still dying from the relic.
I think it's mocking us, thinking we're only doing it for personal benefit rather than the goodness of our hearts. To the AI, it only sees humans as out for themselves, no helping each other
Vs Brain must be mush. In One corner some Rockerboy that has sociopathic tendencies in the other corner a Rogue AI that dreams about to wipe the humans off. Then there is Skippy..... Oh Brother.
I replayed the entire game for the 4th time just to play as a blackwall netrunner using the Canto and it hasn't spoken during any of the quests. Literally just finished the Peralez quests expecting my Canto to at least say something but that didn't happen at all. Man it was so disappointing
@@MysteryMan199725 there's ways to speed things up and reduce cooldowns, currently working on a high health build to abuse overdrive with axolotl, I haven't tried Erebus tho so you might be right, I'm having fun with Canto for now lol
Same, imagine yet another hidden ending where Johnny and V's personalities merge into this incomprehensible mixture of personalities where both still exist within the same brain, just no longer separate like this. A chromed-out superhuman far surpassing everyone and everything. Are they an abomination or are they the next step in human evolution? We will never know, because as soon as that happens they vanish into thin air, slowly becoming the stuff of legends as only glimpses of them are caught over the decades, but never enough to confirm if they even existed to begin with.
Damn I got the deck when I already finished everything quest and gig, dunno if I got the spirits to do it again just for extra dialog but thanks for the vid, ur a real choom
god damn it. now I have to play this games main missions again expecting Erebus bonus dialogue. I rushed the main quest stuff in the last play through to maximize Johnny's dialoge options, as there a quite a few on Regina's missions which can be missed if you rush them to get Axolotl ahead of konpeki plaza heist mission.
what I like about Delamain's mission is about you making the choice for the network's evolutionary path either diverge or converge. Basically, Erebus detected Delamain at this stage is on the process of compiling himself and his offsprings. No matter what choice you make, he just mocks you bec either way the network's evolution is inevitable and is a success.
dont get me wrong this is so dope i just kinda wished that V johnny talk to the blackwall guy in our canto / gun and i know im asking for a lot but even new paths cause of this like your doing a stealth and then the blackwall just opens all the doors etc like a 1% chance but cool stuff or even we get like a buff where the "blackwall takes over" and we get the power set from one of the endings again 1% chance or even lower
[Warning: Long Comment Detected!] This is very cool but the annoying thing is that to experience this (and other interactions with our blackwall buddy), you have to do your run from start to heist, ⇒ ignore everything except the Judy/Evelyn quest until you you kill Placide (we all kill Placide right?), ⇒ then go directly into Dogtown and ONLY do PL mainquests until you get to Cynosure Facility to grab the crafting spec. After you choose Erebus or Canto, now you can play the other content to see what nets you (see what I did there?) some new dialog. The problem is that a run like that puts your save state in a bad position because you've already made both your Firestarter decision AND your Somewhat Damaged decision. Also since we skipped 90% of the basegame content, all the cool acknowledgments of our previous deeds in NC that we encounter in PL and Dogtown no longer exist. (Lizzy won't know us. Holt hasn't lost the election. Gunner thinks we are a nobody etc. and a whole list of other things..) There is no perfect sequence for this game but personally, I regret going into Dogtown as quick as I did as I did before. When 2.0 was released, I started a new game, and went in at around level 42. Now knowing what I know, for my 4th (and probably final) playthru, . . I plan to complete all basegame Main Jobs, Side Jobs, and Fixer Gigs first, then I'll do some NCPD Hustles until I get to Lvl 50. At that point I'm going to make a hard Manual save and keep a backup somewhere as well. Then I'll proceed to Firestarter clearing any Gigs or Jobs that that are unlocked along the way. Another hard manual save at that point. With those saves safe and secure, I have the option to either start PL from the start anytime I want with a solid Lvl. 50 build, or I can jump to Firestarter and explore the different ending paths there. I know I'm sacrificing my Relic powers in the basegame content but I'm fine with it.
@@tinycarrot718 Yeah I get it bro. Not criticizing your play choice, just making a comment about how the game works and how it's unfortunate that to see all the cool stuff it requires precise advance planning.
Aside from the enermous lore this game has, Cyberpunk is one the most complex games I’ve ever experienced. All the niuances from choices you make are mind blowing. The fact that the game follows our progression and enable new dialogue options in upcoming events is just breathtaking. Cyberpunk 2077 is definately not a game you complete once.
It doesn't =( I've been trying to get it to talk again, but its only the combat lines so far, i doesnt say anything for Skippy either, and Alt doesnt bring it up at the end, i was really hoping for more lol
I just did mission this like a week ago, and it was SUPER difficult for me to decide what to do. I stood in the core room for a solid 2 minutes thinking. My V is a stupid fuck so my only choices were reset Delemain or destroy his core. I'm still on my first playthrough, so I'm not role-playing anything, just making the decisions I would make. While I really don't think "living" ai is possible, I nonetheless like Delemain, am pretty sure he provides a valuable service to NC, and believed the divergents to be mere viruses. On top of all that Johnny wanted me to destroy the core, and through my playing I have found that most of the time, Silverhand is just an anti-authority asshole who should not be listened to. Despite this, I'm making sure to keep him happy whenever I can. I could tell that Johnny would've been "let's go nuke arasaka" angry if I reset Delemain, so I decided to try to find some justification to destroy D's core. I ended up going with the logic that, if D is "alive", as well as his divergents, then the road to fewest deaths is destroying the core, if none of them are "alive", then neither option leads to any deaths, and Delemain could likely simply be replaced, and that I'd simply have to take the risk that Delemain is "alive" while his divergents are not (therefore leading to 1 death that saves no lives). I have been very pleased with my decision to destroy the core thus far. I honestly don't think any other decision in this game will give me as much pause.
Damn why is asking 20 intelligence ? On mine gameplay was asking 14 and I left to try later and now is asking 18 os this a bug ? Hiw can I solve and back to 10 ?
Might be a bit late to clarify this, but when u have an attribute level above the choice requirement, the game shows you your own level instead of the required level. So for example if u were weak in netrunning it would show you 4/16 blocked choice, but when u have 20 it will show 20 with no slash after
As I play this I realise Johnny is also an evil ai in instinct (regardless of his personality). Influences every way possible where ai evolves… Reckon it will come out next game.
No, he was just an AI, but in this video V makes it evolve and Delamain goes free, probably beyond the blackwall since he can't stand humans anymore lol, that's why Erebus is like... "That ain't gonna help you buddy lol"
@@tinycarrot718yes he was lol if you read the messages on the computer in one of the offices, it says that del was purchased from the black wall or something of that matter
Iconic weapon you can only get by siding with Reed during phantom liberty. You get a choice between Erberus and the Canto cyberdeck. Both use the power of the Blackwall and talk like skippy
These guys neglected that in the middle of the robot mission u can still miss it I had to have a very high technical level to open a storage door and other things I would RU-vid it if u play the mission again ever u can easily miss it
I knew combining delamayn's emotions were a bad idea...... Erebus confirmed it just now... "you think this will serve as a benefit to you haha" which means that he is more of a threat than anything
Do not think that the AI from beyond the black wall, which tried to kill you and provoke a global cataclysm and which was processed by the order of a secret cabal of artificial intelligences, considers your best interests, because it doesn't.
@@masterzenkai male V is souless, it fits for a merc, specially if you choose the nomad path, but judging by the circunstances of you havin a fucking talking relic on your head, its totally understandable to be emotional like her. Plus, Cherami Leigh has several masterpiece level voice acting works on her bag.