You know an alternate history world is in a f-ed up state when it has Sweden military sinking refugee ships. Hearing that on the news broadcast in an elevator as I was playing the game is definitely one of the biggest WTF moments I had playing it.
Now in reality the country with the second highest incidents of rape per capita in the world after opening its borders to "refugees" - Only Lesotho in Southern Africa has a higher statistic - and as they say: Everybody has their breaking point. It's not that much of a stretch that the Swedes could become hostile in such a way if that universe mirrors anything like our own...
@@KillerChickn if you're going to compare rape statistics isn't it a bit of a confounding variable to judge different nations by a different metric? of course, i dont really expect someone with your opinions to be very capable of thinking critically or crunching numbers, but give it a shot if your head doesn't start aching too hard.
@@Danne1886 He means that our country has been able to reclaim and even create new land for more living space and even creating the Deltawerken to prevent flooding in the future. So with the story of cyberpunk 2020/2077 being that the Netherlands couldn't reclaim sunken land after coastal flooding is basically pretty unrealistic
@@Danne1886 Also you're welcome to retire here, I just suggest you not to live in Amsterdam since it's pretty terrible there although beautiful. Maybe stay away from De Randstad aka 4 biggest cities here (Utrecht, Rotterdam, Amsterdam, Den Haag) since there's alot of air polution in these cities.
@@Vitalis94 Lets be honest, Western Australia was never keen on the whole Federalizing thing in the first place and has had one foot out the door the entire time. It is no great leap to see WA forming its own nation and asking TAS, NT and SA if they are game.
@@samael2607 Nah, NZ is just too remote to be even remotely considered as a place worthy to conquer, sorry. At least in the modern age. But you know, that's a good thing, and trust me, as a Pole, I know exactly what I'm talking about.
@@danielduncan6806 So they had time for finer details you are saying? Well it's still pretty sharp work. Oh by the way, I am 50 years old, as if 4 days into the new year.
@@xamalion7334 That had always been a part of Cyberpunk, way back in the '80s when Mike first developed the game. Though most of that was born out of what he predicted would become of American Mall culture after the collapse of the U.S. Economy.
@@artfiend75 I don't know the Dredd comics yet, I just recently watched the movie again and noticed that especially the mega buildings and their interieur bear a striking resemblance to CP2077. But I guess I have to read them when the filmmakers took the source material in a right way.
Nah not really. There are many more major factors about it too. Among the first is the USA waging war in South America, which didn't go well for them. The Soviet Union didn't collapse as well.
Cahd: wins against Libya, has a civil war (again), has a lot of terrorist groups, *gets nuked*, and it still fights against terrorists, and radioactive mutants Me: that's Chad
In the Cyberpunk 2020 lore, Portugal is an actual AnCap State, where the goverment only exists in paper and it's all ruled by a bunch of corporation. Everything is subsidiced by them, riotters and anti-system supporters are know to be "reeducated" and the only thing people do is work a job that's selected based on their qualifications. It would be interresting to know what happen in 2077.
@@seraphthegatekeeper corporations are just the evolution of the borgeious evolution, why would you assume the rich and powerful wouldn't form an entity to accumulate capital more effectively. Granted the idea of capitalism is completely contradictory to the philosophy of anarchism but yknow.
@@PopPopPopPop where’d you get the idea that capitalism is alien to anarchism? Free Market Capitalism is the only form of economy in a truly anarchist society. Corporatist capitalism which is a tool of govt control is what is practiced now. Govt charters make corporations, not just a group of people coming together. One of the hallmarks of corporations is their legal liability shield. Without that, corporations cease to be anything different from any other business with shareholders.
@@seraphthegatekeeper anarchism is the complete removal of all hierarchical systems, capitalism is reliant on hierarchical systems, can't have capitalism without the masses labouring for capital owners. Corporations are more "an"cap than you are, they don't need to make excuses about the free market secretly working as intended, their only concern is to maximize profits, zero loyalty to any state entity. The state and capitalism work in tandem, you're too delusional to realize that the free market relies on govt powers regulating it.
The world of Cyberpunk is based on pen and paper game made by Mike Pondsmith in the early 90s. He created it, CDPR just uses it, like with the Witcher universe.
I really feel as if our world is becoming like this dystopia. Call me crazy but corporations are on their way to controlling a lot of things that shouldn't be. Its disturbing. I feel like this was a prediction. We never look deeper into this type of media.
The most depressing thing about the Cyberpunk universe to me is what happened to all the animals :( "the birds went first, then the dogs, but the cats put up a fight the longest." That shit made me pause and hug my kitty >
@@Youngyacob It is heavily implied that the cat you see in the game is a hallucination much like Johnny. This is taken from a shard in game: "A Bakeneko is a demon that comes from the afterworld to the mortal world and can take the shape of a cat. It brings misfortune and it can reanimate the dead."
The real life seems to be going into a cyberpunk & corporate dystopia / 1984 dystopia I can't wait for the asteroid impact that will end all life on earth
@@CBRN-115 We kept voting for billionaires and demanding that corporations get free reign under right wing crony capitalism. And, well, the trajectory is now set.
Iirc, it had a similar fate to the US, but the union just didn't completely dissolve. Just extremely weak economically and became more open to trade. Kinda like irl Russian Federation, but they kept the name USSR
@@WordsofHeresyhow is Russia weak economically? They're literally the 6th largest economy by GDP PPP and 11th largest GDP nominal and have large manufacturing capabilities, Logistical abilities and military power.
I like how cyberpunk 2077 lore(?) includes the whole world mostly and incorporate even the ASEAN nations which most games center only on major Asian powers.
@@Watchmanskey True, though I'd imagine a corpo governed Jakarta in 2077's universe ruled by the Chinese minority wouldn't be underwater simply because they'd have the money and political rule to safeguard the rich and economically important parts of Jakarta from being taken by the sea.
@@chokeeweebee Interesting concept. I'd imagine it to be a modern day Venice with waterways and artificial islands. A Nomad game with jetskis, speedboats and such would be fun
The "General Ramos" is probably named after the real life Philippine General Fidel V Ramos who sided with Corazon Aquino in 1986 revolution, who eventually becomes the President of the Philippines in 1992. The name Lopez may have been a reference to powerful Filipino family who owned one of the largest media company in the Philippines. Aguilar is either a reference to Filipino folk/rock artist, but also a powerful political family of City of Las Pinas (Part of Metro Manila)
@@pedrovascodeoliveiraveriss6293 At least in our reality, it hasn't resulted in a massive oil spill that rendered much of the SCS inhabitable. Well, yet.
Antarctica's colonised due to the ice sheets completely melting and Koalas are extinct in Australia, Central Europe is a desert with temperatures at least 100 celcius and is regularly plagued by radioactive dust blown over from Africa
DLC in lawless dubai would be pretty preem, choom. I imagine it being just as dark as the last game set in that city: Spec Ops: The Line. Imagine exploring that kind of story in that kind of city, but fleshed out in a way that only an rpg can do.
@@electricc437 Thing is, the lore of Cyberpunk focuses mostly on Night City, and the knowledge of outside world is so scarce, it's almost no existent. Say if they had to make their second game take place in another city, they would have come up with the whole lore for it. At that point the question would be: "Is it still the same world?" It could've easily been some other universe, not created by Mike Pondsmith.
without economic support from a strong US, canada would collapse and crumble into 7 different countries. toronto and montreal would be brutal corporate cities, the western provinces would be a lawless cowboy land.
One of the most sober and saddest thing I heard in Cyberpunk was in a radio extract, which mostly goes: The Himalayan Wars rendered the Himalayas a wasteland but not only that, it disturbed the climate globally and that's why the green energies plummeted, winds were affected and solar energy aswell. I was driving a motorcycle and had to stop because I couldn't believe what was being said
To be fair, there are many areas which are nuclear or biological wastelands in the Cyberpunk universe. Like North Africa, Central Asia. That world is really fucked up.
Ngl, I stopped for a brief moment when I was in the mission with Panam to bring the Kung Tao AV down cuz I saw the mountains of trash going and going... If its this bad in one mega city, I could only imagine how the oceans and whole countries would look like. Is a grim world indeed.
@@d.ml.g9902 if you’ve ever visited a municipal landfill, you’d realize it’s literally a mountain of waste, and the trash that covers the landscape surrounding night city seems like a large amount but would only be a relatively small addition to a managed landfill. Think 2d vs 3d, surface area vs volume. The amount of decomposition that naturally occurs from just the organics breaking down is enough to be loosely piped out and burned into a waste-energy production facility, and even then those systems only manage to capture maybe 10% of the methane being produced on a good day. And it’s only getting worse every year.
@@Rwdphotos I have gone to one since I live kinda close to one of these, but the thing about the Night City one is that it goes for miles and miles, sure we have kinda those here but not to the extent in where is literally just outside the city, under bridges, highways and between buildings and such. Although I agree with you, that we are definitely reaching those levels by the day in our current situation.
I'm gonna guess that Canada is either: A) completely ignored B) literally hasn't changed at all C) has been annexed by the US D) is some utopia compared to a dystopian US
What about Australia, I mean we might have our pollies still sitting back going 'Her fellas, peace, c'mon, lets me nice, friendly'. Somethings might never change...
So basically Y2K happened earlier than expected and actually happened, which somehow lead to the blooming of actual future tech and a new currency system.
@@NurseAmamiya That's actually my point. Despite the decades of potential possibilities like some countries have been flooded, nuked, turned to glass, and/or have undergone drastic political reformations, the Philippines gets to slap "new" in its name and still be the exact same old Philippines as it is irl. XD
Can you make a video about the USSR in cyberpunk? In several quests and data shards it is mentioned as still being around and that would make an interesting video
Speaking with one of the rippers in-game, she makes it seem like the US, and especially night city, is pretty much a degenerate 3rd-world country compared to the ussr, at least in terms of quality of life. Their cyber tech is still behind the times though.
Sweden: "People who hate and want to destroy the west; you are all welcome! Bring your families as well!" Also Sweden: "Dutch people and Belgians who share our western values, are tech savvy and have agricultural knowledge and skills that would greatly benefit Scandinavia? No way! Sink their boats!" Yeah. Makes sense 👍🏻
Sounds like some of the things around the world that happened or happening in the game are looking like our future. Sad to say but it's already started.
As many of the basic cyberpunk stories are the future as seen from the 80s and early 90s, the Cold War is still a topic in these worlds. And the rift between the West and East basically is a line from the Baltic Sea and through the Middle East. Hence, clashes would occur right there where systems collide, fueled by both political dogmatism and religious fanatism. I mean, it isn't too far off today either: you have the Iranian regime on one side (with a couple of dependent countries all around the Persian Gulf and the Arabian peninsula) and Saudi Arabia on the other side both vying for regional power (with the latter these days as a perceived ally of the USA). Third: during the Cold war, common knowledge was that a clash of the systems and their proxies would occur in one or more of three possible theatres: Central Europe (Germany), with a Russian push through Fulda Gap; a second Korean War; and third, a rather disturbing one, the nuclear annihilation of Israel and the hostilities in the aftermath.
I knew going into Cyberpunk 2077 that it was a dystopian universe. But the more and more shards I read and research I did about the universe the game is set in, the more depressed I got. I love games that are set in a post-apocalypse world, but Cyberpunk is arguably a worse timeline to live in, I'd argue. With games like Fallout, I never felt genuinely bummed out by the world or anything. Everyone was knocked back to the Stone Age. But Cyberpunk's universe is worse to me because there's nothing anyone can do while the situation with the entire planet is rapidly deteriorating and nobody gives an iota of a shit about it. Like people just accept that things suck or just become nihilistic about it to the point where basic things like human lives, healthcare, and standard of living become trivial things with a massive price tag because mega corporations own literally everything. Even the advertisements make me sad. People literally eat bugs and live in a pod while they try to eek out a meaningful life to no avail while the world is crumbling around them. I genuinely think that's worse than a post-apocalypse timeline where at least you aren't literally owned by soulless corporations.
Oh no doubt the world is super depressing. But I think that just lends more credence to Cyberpunk 2077s very human central story. You meet a lot of pieces of shit and are constantly exposed to the worst of society but the "good" characters you meet like Jackie, Misty, Panam, Judy, River, etc, they stand in stark contrast to the depressing background and make you feel like even though the world is going to shit some things are still worth fighting for.
😂 I hope you know that the most depressing thing about everything you’re saying is that we are essentially living the beginning stages of that. Yeah I felt the same even when it was buggy I was awed by it like a peek of what will be or what could be
So, say, 2021 USA from Our Timeline vs Cyberpunk NUSA 2021? Our USA would've won. Yes, the Cyberpunk USA has technological advantage (AV's, early cybernetics), but it's a crippled country. Economically, our US is more stable, so would've won in the end.
Australia's ties to UK were broken when the monarchy was overthrown. The Federal Republic of Australia is formed in 2001. The Aborigines form terrorist group to combat the the government, which seems to not care about them. In the same year, Western Australia secedes, forming the Republic of West Australia. They become quite wealthy from oil production. The Federal Republic of Australia declares trade embargo against the West Australia. Then food crash happens worldwide (due to biological warfare and natural disasters) and it hits Australia pretty bad. Meanwhile New Zealand crop production is very high, and they become major exporter. Then Hong Kong refugees flood the country. Only later they cease all export to feed their own starving population. They legalize Marijuana in 2007. New Zealand is quite stable in the 2020s. That's all we know about New Zealand. During Euro-American conflict, Town Springs is destroyed due to orbital borbandement. For the rest of the decade, Australia is mainly occupied with droughts, building Space Ports, clearing biological wastelands as many cities pollute the rivers. As for Russia, Gorbachev succesfully reforms the Soviet Union. Then his successor, Gorborev, transforms the country into the Union of Sovereign Soviet Republics, to keep the various republis from seceding. SovOil corporation gains huge tracks of land for themselves. Throughout the 2020s and 2040, Soviet Union declines, as their lag somewhat technologically, and aren't able to feed their whole population. Most of Russia becomes Nomadic, with the exception of few megapolises, like Moscow or Leningrad.
The cyber punk party ended long ago n people moved on to next fad, anyhows, cyber punk is THE only game which mentions most of the world. TWA or transworld air is headquartered in east africa, kenya to be precise according to lore. Also, there's been a the big corpos clashed severally head on n in proxy wars in africa. The game fad died but hard core cult following continues. There lots going on in the world in cp universe if u buy handbook
I ALWAYS have this question in post apocalyptic/ cyberpunk/ futuristic etc. games. Like I’m always wondering how things are in way Japan in the Fallout games. So thanks for the video
They based it on the political turbulent period of the 80s to the early 90s. I'm pretty sure "lack of economic development and infrastructure," is no longer applicable since the country has been rapidly economically growing within the 2010s and the government has numerous industrial and infrastructure developments at the moment.
I also wondered this because when I watched edgerunners it seemed like there was only 3 places night city,space, and the badlands but when I played the game V said she went to Atlanta or something
When you end with Cyberpunk i would love too see similar series about world of Shadowrun. I curently play again Shadowrun games (Shadowrun Returns, Dragonfall, Hong Kong), Cyberpunk is too much for my old PC.
The Netherlands? Flooded? Those smart cookies have been living under the sea level for ages. They'll find ways to keep living like that before it even gets that far.
Bugs me as well. 2020 lore mentions how outlying areas like Zeeland had to be adandoned, but they reclaimed all of the IJselmeer (that big lake in the middle of the Netherlands. So what went wrong in the next 50 years? I don't see a mass of refugees fleeing the Netherlands unless some kind of tsunami hit them.
The bit about the Philippines seemed to be an extrapolation of the country circa late 1980's/early 1990's with the coup de etats rocking it, unemployement, etc.
I'm somehow not surprised that Canada has been completely overlooked in the lore here like it is in a lot of other sci-fi properties set in the not-too-distant future, but still disappointed all the same.
I learned this from another video. 80 percent or so of all food in night city is called kibble, wheat based pellets for very cheap, then there’s synthetic meat called S.C.O.P. which is around 18 percent of the food in NC, the last 2 percent is real food. Corpo execs get to eat real food on average 5 times a week, nowhere near enough for every meal. All the real food that corpo execs only get to eat like 4 times a week, is grown in Canada. But yeah that’s all I’ve learned about the proud north, have a good one
All we need to begin living in the Cyberpunk 2077 universe is for another major economic crisis IRL to happen, and it will cause chaos across the world. Add some things like a new company had developed a more advanced version of the Internet, the proliferation of advanced prosthetics and the beginning of cyber-augmentation, and voilà!
I mean, the cloud is technically the next web, the prostethics are getting more and more advance till the point where there are already works to connect it to your neural interface and corps like Amazon, Apple, Google and Microsoft are 24/7 working on making everything smart and connected with everything, prime examples of the project for the google glasses, Siri and Cortana to do things with your command plus working on VR experiences and games, almost reaching AR. We are in the early stages of the Cyber, we are just missing the disasters to get the Punk.
I find funny how we have more advanced tech(besides most of the augments for human bodies) than the rest of the game like self driving cars, helicopters, airplanes,drones,rockets,robots and more 😂
Did you not play the game at all lmao. There are self driving cars, example ingame being the Delamain Taxi service or the AVs you see flying about the world. Helicopters arent as widely used, I assume because of AVs, but are seen a couple of times in the game, for example you ride one when you first play as Johnny Silverhand (its called the Zetatech Valgus) Airplanes are the only thing i dont remember seeing referenced and arent in the game anywhere. My assumption is they were replaced with AVs, mainly since mass transit may not exist as people are too poor to go abroad, and the rich take private AVs. Drones are very common and exist in the game. They serve different purposes from combat drones (such as the Militech Griffin) to civilian drones which do things such as waste disposal (such as the Zetatech Canopy) Rockets exist, there is a rocket pad in night city, its how people get to that big space station thing in the game Robots also exist in many varieties
Well, many Europeans become Nomads after the Food Crash - there is no real countryside to speak of. EU is relatively prosperous when compared to a failed states like NUSA, but it's same situation across the globe - most of the people live in the megacities. But aside from that, Western EU is largely prosperous. They turned Eastern Europe into their colony, though. German, British and French industries colonized the new EU members like Poland, Czechia and Slovakia. They build their factories there and pollute those countries, also crippling their economies, while they themselves are mostly fine.
From a British point of view it sounds better than what we are facing post Brexit. To be fair if most of the Netherlands flooded then so would he best part of the English south which includes most of the governmental centres along with the majority of farm land.
Gorby manages to reform the country in time to keep it from falling. His successor, Gorborev transforms the country into the Union of Sovereign Soviet Republics, preventing Baltics, Belarus, Ukraine and others from seceding. Later, SovOil company aquires large tracks of land in Siberia, and they basically run it like their own country. After the Food Crash, the USSR isn't able to feed their own citizens. Most of the population is nomad in 2077, with the exception of few mega cities like Moscow or Leningrad. On the other hand, they have free healthcare. :D
@@GenerationTech Huh, the last thing I expected was a personal reply, love the content. In regards to the “forgotten”remark, that was in reference to the lore not your choice of nations, I trust you guys to cover all your bases whenever possible. I know tone doesn’t translate well and upon a re-read my comment came off as demanding so I figured I’d clarify.
The Dutch are always welcome here in Sweden. As the Walloon were during the 16th Century. Much more so than those associated with migration here in recent history.
