I remember seeing him magnetize all the guns to himself and shoot them and realized he became the monster made out of a bunch of guns that he kept seeing when he shot those people in the arasaka lab.
"But, why is V never suffers from cyberpsychosis?" Me, seeing all the corpses i left behind: "Fool, IT WAS US. We, the players, are his cyberpsychosis"
@@monkeywheel5522 Cyberpsychosis is a one way street. There's even a questline to try and find a cure in the game, but it ends up going nowhere. If V was a psycho the only quest would be "kill everyone you see." More likely, the combination of a second neural network to share the load + most chrome just being standard stuff means V is just tough enough to use what he gets
I love the poetry in this ending. The whole show David runs himself ragged chasing dreams for the people he loves. In the end he does the impossible by slipping in and out of cyberpsychosis, he literally runs on the edge
The way they did my boy in, when he was already struggling with cyberpsychosis and they force him into a situation where where he has to further mutilate himself breaks my heart.
I'm sure Johnny and Jackie aren't the only guys at The Afterlife that have drinks named after them. Life of a merc in Night City is hard. Even the mightiest are capable of failure. It wasn't for lack of trying though.
I think having David have the same red warning area as MaxTac was a nice touch, the one group of people that never failed to kill now on par with David
The moment David put on those mech parts on him the more he just reminded me of the Warhammer40k dreadnought. It just gets better, that he's literally a dead man/corpse on borrowed time the moment he put those on. Even in death he still serves.
Makes me think, if David's able to take that much cyberware strain, if he'd be a shoe in for a Titan Princep. Admech would grease themselves over that thought
@@Gwilherm that's why episode 6 is my favorite it highlights the REAL dangers of the edgerunning lifestyle. Its not getting shot at cause at least you die human, its when you live too long and you die a monster
@@almalone3282 what bothers me is that why does everyone think that they will be special and not go psycho if they keep chroming but its said constantly what will happen but they keep ignoring it.
"The power it generates in the short term...is unlike anything devised on this side of sanity." As dark as the implications in this scene are, what a line.
Oh yeah, like cyberpunk gets real dark when you see some of the implications. Like for 1, the events of edgerunners take place about a year before we start playing the game, meaning that rig David's using is not only still out there but probably back in the hands of arasaka, and now they have a feild test for what it can do because of David's actions. Other dark things include the Black Wall, as a single AI obtained from beyond it can be used to create an extremely powerful gun or the most powerful program, and to even get the AI in the first place is a stealth section, because the robot it's taken over absolutely will kill you and you can't fight back, it's also stated that the only reason AI like that one haven't destroyed everything yet is because the world is too primitive for them to be able to cone through.
The way Kiwi coldly says that line while David is raining down havoc and annihilation, like some sort of god of destruction ... I got goosebumps. Still do. Something about the combination of dialogue, music, and on-screen action - it's like we're there with Rebecca, Falco and Kiwi - just in complete awe.
The game suggests that cyberpyschosis was a myth created by the corporations, and it's just people going normal psychosis due to how much horror and suffering goes on in NightCity.
@@gamemaster1608 Also V has a much shorter timespan where they get any Cyberware, meaning if they would ever get Cyberpsychosis we might not see it, since they would die earlier either way
Captain here: So the reason V, was able to chrome out so excessively and not fall victim to Cyberpsyhosis like our boy David, was due to Relic device, for the exact same reason it was killing them. Due to the Relic re-writing parts of the brain it viewed as problematic, it never allowed a chance for the Cyberpsyhosis to set in. So at the cost of their life-span, V was granted immunity to the problems and issues that lead to the symptoms of Cyberpsyhosis. Edit: This really blew up. Thanks for everyone's input
It's why when Alt said that his body wasn't his anymore due to JS taking over, V was doomed to die in 6 months, didn't matter on the Psuedo or Blockers were taken.
Its really well crafted. There isnt really a doubt about wether or not david can take on militech with the exoskeleton so the drama comes from rebeca's and falco's reaction to what this means intercut with an inhuman david
air superiority, eliminating enemy "eyes", boxing them in, eradicating means of retreat/cover/supply/defense, eliminating command structure, mop up. all in seconds. everyone has a very specific job and timing. like a symphony. the moment someone effs up, the other side wipes em out. the time to reposition or improvise is gone. it probably goes closer to a duel really, unless both "lose internet" and have to carpet bomb like we do today.
this scene made me sad but also happy for david. the whole show he was trying to help others achieve their dream, even died for it.. but THIS was his dream. he wanted to be an edgerunner and find a family and experience love. he was able to do all those things and ultimately died a legend. that final smile on his face before he is killed showed a man who truly was at peace with himself. he wasnt on the edge at all like maine was when he snapped. if you look closely at the closing montage of him walking through night city alone, he walks and stops right in the middle. perfectly centered.
@@tc105 Yeah, people are spoiled by all the popular shounen anime. They think the character has to turn into a God at the end, otherwise they're a trash character. Legends exist for a reason; I'm glad Edgerunners drove that point home. It gives the struggle so much more meaning, and the stakes are so much higher when your characters are fighting while outclassed.
I wonder if v having the construct of silver hand allowed v’s body to take implants without the threat cyberphycosis even though johnny is killing v. Because late game v can have all the implants similar to David and Adam smasher’s but never deals with psychosis
@@user-sj5pt4tm4r I don’t think he did or he wouldn’t have saved Lucy and valued love I meant in the sense she wanted him to make something of himself the right way and live a good life, but once she passed he had no choice no one was going to pay for school let alone bills he had to turn to the street lifestyle
Yeah, David destroyed her mother's dreams for him in the worst way possible, not to mention he lost himself so much he failed to realize he "reaching the top of Arasaka" was nothing like what his mother wanted for him.
I am still sad. I finished it yesterday. I can't bring myself to re-watch or listen to the song other wise I will cry and get depressed again. Also gimme the pfp sauce.
Yeah... there are no happy endings in Night City, so I wasn't expecting one. The bittersweet shit mess we ended up with was the best you could hope for, and my soul aches nonetheless. Almost didn't finish the series because on some level if I don't see the bad shit go down I can pretend everyone had a happy ending, but that's silly... *sigh*
Interesting how Cyberpunk's "special people" keep getting better and more resilent each time someone new enters the ring. Wayland, Silverhand, Smasher, Blackhand, ROUGE, Martinez and Victor/Valerie. Each one of these people become stronger and stronger with each iteration. Martinez was the "special one" before the legend herself entered the round. V. The more who sacrifice, the closer the new kids get to riding that edge of total fucking anarchy. Night City will burn one day, without a doubt.
Well first, there's the issue that cyberware, software, and ability to make the 1.0 meat adapt is being refined over time. Given it a couple of decades, and even this might not make you Cyber Psycho after days worth of battle time. Night City won't be the only ashen ruins if this trend continues.
Everyone saying V was stronger because they chromed out with no psychosis, but they also had Relic fixing the "damaged" parts of their brain constantly. The moment part of their mind starts to slip, it's replaced. David managed to do everything he did without anything like that. He's just that good.
@@unfortunatecircumstances8870 David only lost because he wasn't prepared, they even say that exo skeleton was originally for Adam Smasher, not david. Smasher had better gear/cyberware and more experience, but both had the same potential, the story would be different if the anime would've been longer.
@@distortion1167 David would need years of experience and skill to match Smasher. He was a kid. Smasher is a war veteran. The only advantage David has is his cyber skeleton, which Adam made short work of. V is just plainly a better edgerunner.
@@unfortunatecircumstances8870 True but I wouldnt say that the cyber skeleton was weak in any way. The cyberpyschosis really set him back and the fight between David and smasher made zero sense. Smasher should have atleast taken a lot of damage but they legit just showed him get antigraved for one second and then he rips david apart. The way he destroyed millitech -- david should have been more than a match for smasher.
V had Relic making him immune to cyberpsychosis(so he's just as OP as Adam Jensen in Deus Ex setting, being completely immune to drawbacks of implants), meanwhile Smasher was a psycho BEFORE he was rebuild. In his case it's like pumping Joker full of Venom, he won't be aggressive because of Venom, he'd be aggressive because he's the Joker. And V likely will face full consequences in new DLC since Relic is no longer shielding them...
Mike Pondsmith said that cyberpsychosis isn't caused by cybernetics. People who under go cyberpsychosis already had underlying metal issues, the cybernetics just accelerate and amplify them to ridiculous extents hence the name "cyberpsychosis"
David was definitely "special"...but he wasn't immortal. He had extremely high tolerance for cyberware but taking on all of Maine's implants was probably his limit, he added Sandy to that+more and finally capped it with the Cyber Armor. If he had been a bit more steady and cautious I feel like he would have been able to live longer and eventually reached or even exceeded Smasher's level....but he is an edgerunner for a reason I guess.
Literalmente por su edad hizo demasiado si tan solo no se hubiese empeñado tanto en colocarse demasiados implantes hasta seguro hubiese logrado un mejor nivel superando a smasher
Nah smasher is the special one because he'd had no humanity to lose. The rpg makes that clear he could handle implants because his mindset was already unhinged.
@@zachburskey8868 I don't think that makes him special since he was already deranged that puts him below normal people since he was crazy even with 0 implants. Smasher gave David an offer to join him if David accepted he would have been just like Smasher so personally don't think Smasher was that special. What made David special was he could keep his humanity even with so much cyber ware which obv Smasher can't do.
@@roslolian11 thing is he had no mercy or sympathy but wasn't deranged, he was perfectly "sane", basically he had control over his own decisions and didn't require any immuno suppresants to handle cyberware, cyberpsychosis is much worse than smasher's condition, because it makes you loose control of yourself, when "YOURSELF" IS the crazy one, you're immune tothat and can power up as much as you need with 0 worry for cyberpsychosis. The thing where u say david could keep his humanity, smasher never had one to loose in the first place, so he didn't really loose it. when normal people loose their humanity, they end up mutilating themselve's an others with no aim, smasher instead never had that problem, he could just do what he wants
Even funnier? This man was like 18 ah yes let me give the 18 year old boy the ability to move at basically the speed of light and overpowered magnets surely this will end up exactly how I planned! 20 seconds Later: *launching cars into the air like it’s an average Tuesday*
This whole scene and then Adam Smasher's beatdown of David just makes the disparity between the anime and the video game fight against Adam even more absurd.
I think why David went fully cyberpsycho was every time he killed someone I noticed he slowed time down either by instinct or to get the kill so he really takes it all in mentally..plus his mom passing early on
I mean the Sandivistan *did* kick in the nanosecond he saw Pilar get his chin blown out the top of his skull. Seeing that happen in slo-mo would fuck anyone up.
No, it's just because he's less human and using the stuff makes his body & mind react negatively more than just having it on him, that's all Cyberpsyhosis is.
From a gameplay stand point, I consider this impossible. Like changing your entire player model to a massive cyborg is a lil crazy. But it certainly would be cool.
@@Amoogus I have some experience with RED engine. I thought it was impossible for them to make working police AI and vehicle combat, but they did that. I can’t believe they’re actually going to fix this game. It only took 3 years, but it’s totally worth playing now
I remember one of the explanations for cyberpsychosis is due to the sheer power one gains from excessive modification. See, a cybernetic arm that's a 1-to-1 for a human arm with no frills is no problem. It's just replacing a lost part. But as you go above that, it starts to have a psychological impact. You start losing your human perspective the further above human capabilities you go. Why care anything about slow, squishy, weak little humans when you can kill them by the dozens in a heartbeat?
Near as I can tell its basically the same thing that happens to people who get into car crashes and get brain damage that causes them to see their limbs as alien. Body sometimes can't cope with the new parts or 'weird' parts, even if it looks exactly like the original, people with prosthetics that are made to look like the original go into mental breakdowns all the time. Power or no, imagine what would happen to people if they took on a bunch of these extreme modifications seen in cyberpunk where you barely look human? Beyond that all examples of cyberpsychosis are from people who were either forced through excessive body modding, were mentally ill before hand, or experienced a extreme amount of stress in a short time. Cyberpsychosis is basically a cyberpunk word for someone having a mental breakdown while having deadly weapons strapped to them.
"From the moment I understood the weakness of my flesh, it disgusted me, I craved the strength and sanctity of steel" - adeptus mechanicus, warhammer 40k
Cyberpsychos stems from one’s soul. V died and so his soul left him before he reanimated and he become an empty vessel which is why he can augment without becoming a psycho
David’s basically a miniaturized version of the Gundam Barbatos from Gundam: Iron Blooded Orphans with all that tech! He’s as savage as Mikazuki when he’s in the Barbatos’s cockpit. A wolf from Hell itself!
I find it silly though how the operator's torso there has zero armor around it, also those troopers are worefull underarmed to begin with carrying SMGs shooting pistol ammo rather than something firing rifle rounds.
He is special, he was able to handle that THING without immediately succumbing to cyberpsychosis. The problem is that he wasn't as special as he thought, In short, he fought Adam smasher who was even more special than David. In the end though he was able to make lucy achieve her dream of going and living on the moon, so his life wasn't in vain and he ended up having a better, more meaningful impact than anyone else in the entire series.
The cyberpsycosis is apparently either controllable or focusable, even in game some characters are reformatted in some way, I know the chick from the first trailers is now a max tac member who still loves the sight of blood... Would make sense that the most deadly enforcers would be salvaged from them.
The interesting thing about cyberpsychosis: the way it works on tabletop, is it's risk is inversely related to your characters level of humanity. The lower your humanity score is, the less chrome your body can handle. So a person with already sociopathic tendencies can only take a few augs before they risk going psycho, and those would hardly amount to more than a miniboss-level threat. While someone like Mister Rogers could have an entire armory's worth of chrome installed and get turned into a walking Apocalypse.
@@bitchesandbastards Nah; he was a special case. Smasher was the solution for GM's with a problem, that being their players getting too murder hobo-y. He was the in-game equivalent of "fuck around and find out."
@@chesterstevens8870 No you're just talking complete nonsense. The opposite of what you said is true - The more sociopathic you are the less likely you are to go cyberpsycho.
Reminds me of RoboCain, those armored cyborgs from Predator: Concrete Jungle, Dreadnoughts from W40K, District 9's "prawn" exo-skeleton, and a whole lot more... Jeez, he really put the "post" in post-human.
If David was this dangerous at this level, he would've been a major menace if he lived on and became consumed by the cyberpsychosis. Even Adam had to acknowledge his talent. The most vile monsters are not the ones in front of us but inside of us.
"The power it generates in the short term, is unlike anything devised in this side of sanity" Holy shit. That line. That fucking line is one of the best in the anime
I figure that V had two things working in his favor that allowed him to chrome up so much. He had the relic itself, something overwriting parts of his brain and allowing him to get an abnormal mind. The relic overwriting him probably saw the cyberpsychosis as a difference between Johnny's head, meaning it was clearing out the gunk AS V got it. Second, Johnny himself was also likely helping take on the mental load from the cyberware, making it harder for V to go psycho. Both combined meant that V could essentially get to 100% cyborg and he'd still be sane. ***Looking at the trail of bodies though, just put "Sane" in huge quotations.***
Man you can hear the distress in Rebecca's voice. The person she truly considered a friend and one she was secretly in love with was slowly deteriorating in front of her.
You know how biblical angels are discribed as multi eyed multi winged monstrosities that can drive a man mad just by looking at them this is what i immagine a cyberpunk angel looks like
He wasn't **quite** pshyco in this scene. He was riding the line. It's when they get into NC primary when he really loses it. And the only anime to have a fight this badass that made me sad as fuck
Cyberpsychosis is portrayed differently in the game and anime. In anime it feels like inevitability of augmentation. However in the game very few actually had it. There were the Maelstroms that were straight up full borgs and most of them were fine. Relatively speaking
The thing about Maelstrom is they are like Adam Smasher, they have cyberpsychosis but they are already so far gone from humanity that they can function normally.
it must be truly terrifying to see a 7 ton mechanized person of mass destruction move at ungodly speeds and wipe out an entire convoy of people in less than 3 minutes
You all can say that Vincent aka V was a prodigy of Night City,but David was the one who surpassed his own mental and physical limits,destroying a whole platoon of Militech weaponry whilst getting decimated by rockets and Basilisks. No matter the fact that he needed to technically jug down loads of immunosuppressants,he STILL made it out alive.
I think people for get the entire show happen within a year. David went from broke Arasaka dropout with no parents to single handily taking on the whole militia that Smasher was needed to take him out, in a year. And he’s only 18.
Never forget cyber punk has no real villian. The world is the bad guy, Davids story is about how self destructive living for someone or something other then yourself can be. In the end his dream for someone else was just that, HIS dream. No one really forced David too keep going but himself. Infact your favorite characters almost definitely begged him to stop.
@@Pinkus_ I think smasher's chrome was technically less powerful and sophisticated than David's exoskeleton. But Smasher had more experience using is implants, and frankly was used to fighting people closer to his league. David's early kills boiled down to a lot of surprise or the Sandivistan. By the time he was killing higher level goons, he had far more cyberwar than them, which meant they were physically below his weight class. Smasher though, was borged out sure, but he didn't necessarily have the crushing advantage David did over his contemporaries due to the limits of the technology of his time. This means that Smasher is not only highly cyberized but he was actually SKILLED in his use of cyberware. It's why smasher won handily despite supposedly using older hardware. It's also (I like to think) why V won their fight with Smasher.
They did David so dirty. He mutilated himself. He sacrificed himself. In the name if love. He became the strongest cyborg ever. He kept enough sanity not to kill his friends. And when he was half dead, faced Adam Smasher. He died a Legend. Poor dude. It was so sad.
I wonder what would’ve happened if David wasn’t lucid? Like he’d be aware of everything I think even maybe by a small fraction of a chance he could defeat Adam.
I like how in the anime David had the sandevistan, the arm cannon and the super jump cyberwares but that was already enough enough to begin pushing him towards psychosis but that's nothing compared to the ludicrious amount of cyberware most players shove into their V's.
A sandevistan was a fairly standard thing in 2020. It gave you +3 Initiative. Unlike kerenzikov boosters who were always on, sandevistan are activated in bursts. They are easier on your Humanity Cost than permanently watching the world in slow motion. A bare-bones cyberarm is dehumanizing and becomes more so when you pack it with stuff. People can pack small holdout pistols in them. It's not a powerful gun, but it's a gun you can pop out when necessary. Some people hide microgrenades in their toes or fingers. Two barebones cyberlegs work the same way, the more dehumanizing stuff you fit in them the more HC you get. I can't recall what assisted jump cost you. You could get dang rollerskate feet instead.
+3 Initiative from a sandevistan isn't as huge as it sounds. An experienced solo probably has +5 or +7 just from their experience and skill. No cybernetics can beat instinct and skill. But when solos compare against other solos, every edge they can get counts. +3 can mean you're a tenth of a second faster to pull the trigger in a standoff. Eurosolos scoff at american hardware fixation. They are all about skill, often broad skillsets no one expects a solo to have.
After playing the game and doing the Panam questline and using the Basilisk to easily shred through dozens if not hundreds of enemies and raiders with still being able to use the basilisk. Seeing David dismantle entire militech squads and tear through trucks and cars and multiple basilisks in just a few minutes was crazy.
i love how they made that super awesome bad ass suit... and left the pilot exposed for any sniper to tag him.... still, all in all an awesome show. Good Cyberpunk ending. Though i would have liked to see more with him and Luce... oh well.
Am i the only one that even tho i liked the story it made me really sad and feel weird about how fucked up David's life was ?! The show ended and i had a bitter taste in my mouth
that's the point night city chews u up and spits u out no matter what only the 1% of the top 1% are immune. David had so many routes he could've taken, but this is how david would play his life
@@Randomlyrandomnss shit man , the killings , the cyberpsychosis , i was not ready for such a psychological thriller anime . Too much sadness in the end . i get your point and probably the reason the anime is so good is because it caused me all those feelings , but in a way i wish i never saw it lol
Or, they was a cyberpsycho when you take into account the body count V has, when they don't actually have to live the life they're living. In the lore, most cyberpsychos aren't actually going on rampages and becoming incoherent, they mostly function in the setting of Cyberpunk they're just one bad day away from ending up on MaxTechs hitlist.
V is canonically disgustingly OP regardless of HOW you end the game(aside from the "easy way out"). He either teams up with 2 living legends, a band of nomads, or just a handful of loyal Saka veterans and manages to take down Smasher. If you do the secret ending you waltz right through the lobby alone and kill about 100 elite saka units, 4 heavy mechs and about 30 droids/drones before you even fight Smasher himself.
I mean if David had the almighty power of the gamer logic then he'd be OP too, insta heal with maxdoc consumables, max defense from wearing a t-shirt and underwear, no side effects from sandevistan or any other cyberware. 🤣
He just kinda replaced all his blood with immunosuppressants while in the cyberskeleton. This fight was total grimdark, like a combo of Warhammer 40K and the machine war segments from Animatrix
After watching a lot of videos on cyberpunks potential rogue AI coming from the blackwall and the potential origin of mister Blue Eyes and Mikoshi as a whole. I'm starting to think Cyberpunk is setting up its own Skynet/Reapers war. Because a pretty big theory is that Mister Blue Eyes is basically what V and Johnny are, but if Johnny took over, an AI driving a body.
