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@volairn70 25 дней назад

My take on the game after running a weekly play campaign for a year or so and counting, is that it *is* a fun way to explore the genre. My players like it, it is easy to run, combat is fluid and fast paced, something a lot of games have lost sight of. The positive out of the way, I have a couple of things that REALLY irk me about this game. Some of the skills seems SO specific, as in, why did we set that one off on its own. And other skills are absolutely missing. But the worst feature of the game is the book itself. While the book itself is pretty to look at, it is so poorly edited and organized, I cannot help but feel they did not have any people outside their studio really give it the once over to see if the layout was helpful, useful and well organized. It isn't. It is maybe one of the worst out there from a major rpg publisher. For instance, the main details of individual peices of cyberware are not to be found in the cyberware section, they are found in the Night Market section, which is back amongst the parts of the book my players assumed was the GM section. There were no real clear indicators in the book that this was the case. It works better via PDF, but I have a couple players who love a print book still and it is miserable for them. Over the course of a year of play, they know where everything is in the book now, but only through repetition and not from the layout of the book have they figured it out. There are some helpful edited versions (by players) out there, which make the book much more useful as a compilation, and suggest anyone who has the same issues we did, seek those out.

@nilsingvar7319 13 дней назад

I've only used the PDF, I figured the book would have a different layout, because it works great for a PDF with links in it.

@WilkesBarreWrestling 25 дней назад

I've been playing this system for 3 years now. Its so far the only system to just click with me off the bat. Glad to see other folks enjoying it as well, even with its flaws.

@chefxiru9540 25 дней назад

I wanted to point out 2 things about your video. they have cyberpunk red EASY MODE which is the cut down version of the game rules that just makes it easy to play. and they just announced the cyberpunk 2077/edgerunners anime preorder which is like a rules/setting expansion to play in 2077

@bananapants76 21 день назад

yeah im hoping the 2077 setting is everything i wanted cyberpunk to be after playing the pc game... the red setting was just a mistake in my opinion ;)

@AnarchicArachnid 24 дня назад

24:42 Rockerboy is a reference to a character in the universe who was called Rockerboy, it's like "your the Elvis of (genre)" it's a word that's gotten into lingo to the point people have it in there heads like how we'll call someone a geek or a nerd, it's got many meanings but anyone can be a nerd over something

@BasementArtScott 25 дней назад

I've been running a CP - Red campaign since last September, and after the first few sessions I find the combat really fluid. I get what you're saying about 0 damage armor soaking, but once damage begins getting dealt on either side it makes the combat go much faster due to the increased armor ablation. The use of armor-piercing rounds does quick work of this too (some of my players have taken to the gear-head side of this game). Coming from playing Call of Cthulhu right before this the skill list doesn't bother me so much, they are options, and instead of getting caught in analysis-paralysis I either pick one for my players to roll on, or collaborate with my players to see what they think they'd be more likely to use. Long way of saying I'm having a blast with this game.

@BasementArtScott 25 дней назад

Also, one thing I didn't see you touch upon as far as the multimedia aspect is the Cyberpunk Red app. It creates characters, stores their data, down to the bullet, and handles dice rolls for each skill among other things. It is an excellent tool that helps really simplify play.

@jorgesanchez4714 25 дней назад

I've played a couple of cyberpunk games and red is probably the best, much easier than 2020. The autofire mechanic and range DC make firefights pretty tense, when a solo gets a turn something dies, always. I also love long skill lists and the quick builds are good guides for players.

@NayrAnur 25 дней назад

Also, melee attacks ignore half the target's armor.

@BasementArtScott 25 дней назад

@@NayrAnur that is also an important factor

@buboniccraig896 20 дней назад

NOOO DON'T ABBREVIATE CYBERPUNK

@Jescribano1 25 дней назад

Just wanted to say that i really appreciate the detail in this video, navigating from page to page, showing relevant info every time. This one was specially good man! Thanks!

@DaveThaumavore 25 дней назад

Glad it was helpful!

@gamingsensei 25 дней назад

Awesome review! My group's experience with Cyberpunk RED was frustrating and we felt like we were fighting the rulebook constantly, trying to find rules, mechanics, or item descriptions. I came to the conclusion that Cyberpunk RED has a great system of mechanics in an unintuitive presentation. I think OSR principles to running Cyberpunk make it far more smoother and better as a system, and I feel like there is a great OSR/NSR style sandbox ttrpg underneath the poorly structured rulebook. Try not to think of the skills as skills, and more as hyper specialized saving throws. You don't roll perception unless someone or something is actively trying to trick your vision. A lot of the players fell into the pitfall trap of "DnD-ing" and asking the GM for skill rolls, or running a session like it was DnD. I think Cyberpunk RED thrives when you run far away from that style of TTRPG.

@charlessmith491 25 дней назад

Great that you made this. On some of the corny-ness, I have always gotten the vibe that Cyberpunk presents itself a lot like vampire the Masquerade in it being a whole culture and that’s backed into the rules. A rocker boy is someone who uses art to fight against the corpos, so it’s more of a label than literal. Same with music. You are right, future is synth and synth pop, but underground rock is more “punk” so it is exemplified by the names and setting.

@JonJonTheWise 7 дней назад

Hey David thank you so much for including my channel in your description. I’m happy to see that you’re enjoying cyberpunk! I wish you nothing but success and I hope you achieve all your goals with your channel. Much love choom 🙏

@sebastianstark8517 7 дней назад

@jonjonthewise your channel is one of my favorites for this game. Props to you too, Choomba!

@Ragmon1 21 день назад

I read many RPG rule books, CP Red was one of the least intuitive, for me. But I'm glad it exists.

@bAtACt1X 24 дня назад

I really like Mike and all the guys at R.Talsorian. But this game left me with so many problems and inconsistencies... I´m still disappointed. But well, as I always planned to fixe some of the stuff bothering me... maybe I just follow your advice, get on the discord and ask some questions. I bet they already took care of major problems! Great video as always dude! Thx so much. Love your work.

@thefrenchspy81 17 дней назад

Every time I look at my copy of Red I glance at a couple of pages and then I reach back for 2020. Ive been running a 2020 campaign on and off for about 7 years. My players love the setting but what is funny is we rarely get into combat. The Rockerboy usually sways the battle before it starts or other shenanigans happen. I think I shot off the head of one of my players early on in the campaign and they replaced it with a robot head. This pretty much set the tone for why combat should be feared and they do alot to stay on task during missions. Might be my tables all time favorite game. I really should at least read the netrunning section of Red and transfer it over to 2020 if we dont outright change to Red eventually. Thanks for the review!

@99zxk 16 дней назад

Something important that a lot of people miss is that you have to roll higher than the DV.

@ogremark5 24 дня назад

I'm going to be honest, Dave. CP2020 was a favorite of mine. It was stylishly and concisely written, and I was able to teach myself the rules right from the rulebook. None of the versions since - CP3, Cyber Gen, etc have been as approachable. I've read thru the quick start and the CP Red monster rulebook and... no. I don't see anything really that is an improvement. Maybe this "easy mode" version is for me....

@jorgesanchez4714 25 дней назад

Cyberpunk Red is awesome but my favorite part is not narrative nor mechanics but that cyberware sheet, adding cyberware in the boxes and seeing at a glance how much your character has is great.

@LihimSidhe 25 дней назад

This was a great review. You're lucky to have a group of friends help you play/run the game.

@Ronni0 25 дней назад

We don't talk about Cyberpunk 3.0 ;)

@Phreakdoubt 25 дней назад

Oof yeah. That was, putting it charitably, a misstep on RTG's part. I was done with CP2020 before that came out, and I distinctly remember picking up a copy at a game store, flipping through it for about a minute, and noping right out of the store.

@antigrav6004 25 дней назад

For anyone on the video gaming side who's still sleeping on 2077 due to the bad release, it plays marvelously now. I highly recommend giving it another chance (especially if you have a decent rig to play it on)

@henryrice9263 25 дней назад

Im convinced people are running the game a bit off when they say armor just soaks all damage and takes forever to break down. Theres a simple dichotomy between concealable armor and handguns, and shoulder/heavy weapons for heavy armor. Match the weapons with the situation. Handgun people are better in social stealth situations where people arent wearing combat armor. Of course if you shoot armorjack with pistolds endlessly, you wont get anywhere. But SP11 will get shredded quickly against shotgun slugs doing an average of 18-19 damage a shot. Even with good armor, a low body character will go down to 3-4 shotgun blasts.

@Phreakdoubt 25 дней назад

I played a LOT of CP2020 back in the day, but I have not picked up CP Red yet. I might now. looks like the system has actually been streamlined in the new revision in some interesting ways. We kind of fell off after full-borg conversions and the "Maximum Metal" sourcebook made all my players lust after ridiculous hardware to an unhealthy degree. Your examination of the critical fumble rule sparked a memory regarding my time in the game. I was GM'ing a group of three doing the usual back alley deal when surprise surprise, things went wrong and guns were drawn. All 3 players pulled their iron. All three players rolled critical fails on their attack roll, and then rolled a fumble, one after the other. Each of the three players shot another of the players round robin style (randomly rolled, again); each taking a single round from a choom. I took mercy on them with the npc's being (rightfully) paralyzed by utter incomprehension for a round, then combat resumed and our slightly scuffed heroes created a brand new Night City street legend that they NEVER lived down. One of them would inevitably try to turn it into a "That's just how crazy my crew is" flex with varying degrees of success in later sessions. Good times.

@schemage2210 25 дней назад

I ran a 6 week long mini campaign with RED a couple years back and had an absolute blast. Going from D&D 5e to RED I found the setting incredibly enthralling, if only because I didn't realise how limiting fantasy could be. If anyone is interested, I highly recommend the Drivethru RPG product Cyberpunk RED Easy Mode. Condenses all the main rules (not Netrunning) into 30 pages, and will totally help smooth out those first couple of sessions.

@BonusEggs4Sale 25 дней назад

Looking forward to the Edgerunners kit and 2077 corebook.

@xSaraxMxNeffx 21 день назад

another moment where the things people find convoluted and vague are the things i find fun and exciting. the fixer and rockerboy in my tables team are CONSTANTLY getting us through shit we wouldnt make it through otherwise. the ability to compliment skills meant i might just be using that painting skill more often than youd think.

@Seidravn 25 дней назад

As someone who owned and played the original Cyberpunk in the eighties, I'm intrigued by this newest version. Appreciate the review.

@rb98769 25 дней назад

Honestly if the game's really been expanded, I might take a look at it again. I really wasn't thrilled about core RED because it just seemed to trim too much from 2020. Yes, 2020 is quite bloated and needs a lot of streamlining, but for me it feels like they went too far with it. I really didn't like the 2045 setting all that much either because it's just too different from what you'd expect from a cyberpunk game, but I get they probably wanted to spice things a bit for old timers. Still, it feels like a wasted opportunity to go with something so different from 2077 given the game's popularity. With that said, netrunning is absolutely great and a huge improvement in every sense. I also absolutely love what they did with the roles and they have amuch more of an identity now. Edit: Personally I like the cheese. 😂 It's part of the spirit of the game.

@simmonslucas 25 дней назад

I agree, there's rules light and lightening the rules. I don't like super crunch like GURPS or rules light like Knave 2. Finding that sweet spot is difficult.

@jgray4519 25 дней назад

Thanks for the thoughtful review. It really helps knowing people are reading through the book and seeing it as a whole game.

@ts25679 25 дней назад

I've had an idea for a reality hopping meta narrative setting where our pc are regular people with regular lives, who discover a place on the boundaries of reality. Your group get to decide what form it takes e.g. magic school, secret government institution, etc and this place acts as a gateway to other realities. Like SG1, Sliders or Quantum Leap. Each setting can have it's own rules (an excuse to try out new systems and homebrew). I like the idea of stealing the cyberpsychosis rules and empathy and re-flavouring them to show how these worlds are effecting them as well. You all start human, but by finding entities and places of power you could changing into something...different. If you lose all your "empathy" you might completely lose your humanity, but that just means you now get to role-play your new alien perspectives.

@kierduros 24 дня назад

Monte Cook Games has a game called "The Strange" where the characters do move among various realities... and more than just some different rules, there are also new forms the characters take. So if someone's a solider in the regular modern settings, they can be a knight in a more fantasy flavored world... with all their gun shooting skills replaced by sword or bow wielding ones. It's a neat concept and should at least provide some more inspiration for what you brew up yourself.

@DannyFist 19 дней назад

Your combat issue is mainly due to a lack of melee. The combat turns into less of a slugfest when more characters are using melee effectively as well as alternate ammo.

@ingframin 25 дней назад

The game is pretty fun, I run a few adventures for my friends and we had a blast. I even managed to convince my wife to play with us, which is in itself an achievment. Sure, it's not perfect, but it does not deserve all the hate it gets online. I don't really like the netrunning rules, but I believe they can be adjusted easily with home rules. I cannot wait for R.Talsorian to release the edgerunners kit 🙂

@obamabiden 22 дня назад

18:43 yeah, martial arts are great, basically the best "weapon" in the game with high body, maybe excepting modified rocket launchers, also of course, impossible to confiscate had completely forgotten you're meant to dodge bullets with Dex and not Reflexes, guess I've been doing it wrong for ages (this has made my party's high-Ref members essentially invulnerable) one of my personal nitpicks with the game mechanics is the netrunning rules are so much fun, and so much better than most cyberpunk hacking systems, but often so disconnected from the action unless the DM manufactures some "use the computers to open the door before gas fills the room!!!!" scenarios constantly, the netrunner tends to just do their work turning off things and stealing paydata while the rest of the crew just stands around the server room watching the doors, waiting for the netrunner to say "I'm in." or being prepared for their brain to dramatically catch fire. it also can't really be used in a fight unless the DM very gamily puts random unreliable auto turrets in the room with the enemies or robots inexplicably wired to the local Net, when trying to "sell" the system to new players, people have asked me repeatedly if you can quick hack people mid fight like the game, or hack things from miles away like in edgerunners and in both cases i just have to awkwardly say "uhhhh no but the mechanics are pretty cool"

@AnActualRealPotato 20 дней назад

I really think this is a good game at its core. Its just that in terms of design, they made a few missteps that I think really hold the game back. Plus... it just didn't click with my group as much. The rules are too complicated in some parts, some things were left convoluted or unintuitive for the sake of game balance (such as Netrunners using different DVs from anything else in this game, or how spray and pray is not even an option and autofire is more akin to being a sniper than anything else). Plus, we came from shadowrun in search of something that fits us better, and so being used to shadowruns insane amount of gear, Cyberpunk felt really shallow in that department. Granted, when we played it, Black Chrome wasn't out. That might have really helped our experience. Now Black Chrome is out, Easy Mode exists, and the Edgerunner Mission Kit is on the horizon, we'll give Cyberpunk RED another shot soon. I hope it fares better now than it did back then

@AnarchicArachnid 24 дня назад

7:33 this is why I'd say the VTT solutions is an amazing stuff. 7:50 Yes you need a seperate thing for tech vs drive , because if you're a Nomad who's family is sea based you may know how to fix it up but not pilot it due to the massive size of some sea vehicles (a yacht type boat and large )or you're a rocker boy who is use to shooting on jet skis and stuff , you know how to use that vehicle , but not how to repair it or likely how it works

@Shiyaku93 25 дней назад

Good review as always. Ive been meaning to pick this up but it looks a bit heavier / crunchier than I'd like. I'll probably pick up Cy_Borg instead 😅

@InstantDecon 19 дней назад

Thanks for reviewing CPR! I love the game, yet it's a struggle to play, the rulebook is unintuitive to learn yet it's so simple! Many players are unappealed by the apparent lack of content or parroting what everyone says. But I managed to hook my players and we are in for 2 years now! I miss some stuff from 2020, but I also don't miss some other, hope it has a long road ahead!

@sebastianstark8517 7 дней назад

Love this game and will be running my own campaign for it soon.

@DarthRadical 24 дня назад

Hacking is still a bit overly complex for a sub-system that only one player deals with - but a huge improvement. Only borderline breaks The Sandwich Rule now. The rule where a sub-system shouldn't make it so that everyone else should just go make a sandwich while 1-2 playes do their thing with the GM.

@hyghacinth1632 22 дня назад

I picked up CPR ~ a year ago (around Aug/Sept 2k23... A little after I got thru the first Silverhand Interlude... Like, I played that section ~ the same time in real space as the event when you first meet Mr. Wick [Something I Had To Bong Rip About To This Day To Comprehend And Not Psycho Out @v@]) and had absolutely no idea on the discourse, the added expansions (save for the Data Pack which was in stock at my FLGS when I stumbled in, reeking of grass and glory) and how open the genre is becoming to new voices and experiences. With so much more to say, gonna hot-glue glaze the OP here real quick so I can get back to my bad ass life: This should have been a promo - Edgerunners Content Drop for CPR - New Audio Update and more for CP2k77 - New Netflix experience with Neo and Alt Cunt-With-Ham hamin' it up in... CGI? Getting its first few trailers - Witcher Devs rolling in dough while the rest of the industry sublimates - Every other Cyberpunk setting hiding in the corner while V and the Night City Slop Crew slop it up - This whole emergent tradition that's forming of From Punk to Funk in that wild awesome game with the EPIC soundtrack [REDA-JUS-CAN-T-GIT-ENUFF] - I could absolutely go on... But I'm not. Cuz he wasn't reached out by CDPR or the Publishers of CPR. He put his balls and wallet where is mouth is and now I'm inspired even further to dive deep into this juicy, wet, warm and homey long-ass gutter'd streets of Night City - And Now No One Can Stop Me ( C-C-C-C-CAN YOU FEEEEEL IT!? )

@cameronjohnson918 24 дня назад

I find Cyberpunk RED hard to really understand as a game. Ultimately there are few cyberpunk stories that focus on combat and violence to the extent that CPR weights it in the book. Friday Night Firefight is a pretty good combat system that allows for quick gunfights, but as soon as subsystems like cyberware, armor and martial arts are added into the mix it becomes complex to run, with lots of situational effects or constantly adjusting values. The painful thing is that the setting of Cyberpunk wants interactions with crazy people and communities, it wants players to engage with the humanity of its characters through the contrast of this colorful world and the danger of the jobs that a crew is undertaking. And the setting is great (although sometimes bit much honestly and its very easy to paint yourself into a corner through improvising due to how much established lore there is), so you want people to roll play out solutions, or engage with their skills for creative approaches that feel unique rather than just kicking the door in and firing a gun. Cyberpunk games are at their best for me in short stories as this is what lets people throw away a character with reckless abandon. But CPR wants to have a long character progression with skills and leveling up and it just encourages players to behave too conservatively due to investment. For all the advice in the GMs section, the game is caught between gamifying firefights and a ton of legacy rules, with very few that actually support an on-going campaign. The result is a system that's functional in moment-to-moment gameplay, but a lot of work to GM, with episodic scenarios that are by-the-numbers cyberpunk plots that can't really tap into most of the cyberpunk themes other than 'corpos bad' and 'capitalism has valued everything and lives are cheap'.

@Pneumanon 21 день назад

Agreed. I played RED for a couple of years after it was released. Cyberpunk RED is basically a combat system with some extra bits and pieces tacked on. Netrunning is just a sub-system of combat. What the game tells you it wants you to do in the game and what the system actually supports are completely at odds with each other. Very little support for campaign play. Some of the Roles you can choose are effectively useless from a mechanics point of view. For example- the Rockerboy has 1 Role Ability and the opportunity to buy some musical instruments. There is no other support for the Rockerboy to do anything specific to being an entertainer beyond that. Meanwhile the Solo gets 5 different Role Abilities, an entire combat system, an entire weapons list to choose from and an entire cyberware list to choose from. Yes, your Rockerboy can also buy guns and get into combat, but if that's what you're doing, why bother choosing the Rockerboy? Just choose a Solo and give them the Play Instrument skill and a high Cool stat. Other Roles suffer similarly. It's an ok game in small doses, but ultimately it's quite an outdated game that has been given a clunky update, a fresh lick of paint and a huge boost in popularity due to the video game & animation.

@cameronjohnson918 21 день назад

@@Pneumanon Ah I actually don't agree 100% with you, I think most of the role abilities are fine, with Rockerboy's in particular getting really good with charismatic impact letting you control huge groups of people. That's cool. What's not cool is how these abilities make the game more complex to run, like the Lawman's one which summons helper NPCs in a battle, or well, Rockerboy's which effectively makes it impossible for a GM to plan a balanced encounter because there's no way to predict when a mob is going to pop up and fuck with an entire adventure. I do agree that these abilities should have far more things helping the GM implement these into RP and the lives and implications of the PCs though. There is a lot of lacking support, which is something you can compensate for as a GM if you want to dump 10+ hours into game prep each week, but I don't. I agree that the system is being massively supported by the hype for 2077. The combat system works fine, but its the least interesting part of the setting and it gets an unfortunate focus. I always look at this game and get really excited about a cool story I could build with my players, but it shines less brightly than many of the other great games I could spend the moments of my life playing.

@Pneumanon 20 дней назад

@@cameronjohnson918 You say you don't 100% agree with me, but it seems like you do! My point is exactly what you said. The game tells you you can do things, e.g. control huge groups of people, but it has absolutely no mechanics whatsoever for actually doing that in the game. So in reality you actually _can't_ do it with the rules as written. Either the GM just makes it all up without mechanics (at which point you're just playing make-believe) or the GM has to create their own mechanics. As you said, you don't want to do that and you shouldn't _have_ to. If the game specifically gives players the ability to do that, there should be mechanical support for how to do it. Also, notice again that the Rockerboy and the Lawman Role Abilities you mentioned are essentially Combat Skills, summoning NPCs to be used in 'encounters' (aka combat). Other things can be done with Charismatic Impact as written, but most of it is left up to the GM to figure out how to implement. Most of the non-combat examples are along the lines that "one or more NPCs are now hanging out with you doing things that have little-to-no mechanical impact". If you were actually roleplaying your character, you could use Charismatic Impact for some very useful things. Like let's say you use your Charismatic Impact to sway an audience into boycotting your rival faction's services for a month, allowing your own faction to make more money, gain more turf and gain the upper hand in that area and out compete them in a way that doesn't involve combat. Or, even simpler, let's just say you want a campaign that focuses on being a band of Rockerboys competing with other bands to climb your way to the top of the charts and be the biggest band in Night City. Cool, those things make sense in character. Now have fun inventing the rules to do it! Again, the Rockerboy is just one example, there are many other problems with the game. As you said initially- it's ok for short campaigns focusing mainly on direct combat, but it doesn't do much more than that.

@cameronjohnson918 6 дней назад

@@Pneumanon Sorry I didn't respond, totally forgot about this. Yes, I see your point, and agreed. Fortunate we have better Cyberpunk games now ay!

@Pneumanon 20 часов назад

@@cameronjohnson918 no problem at all about the response time :) just curious what cyberpunk games you are referring to as the better ones you mentioned?

@eddygreen3631 21 день назад

Fantastic review and summary of a fantastic (and important) ttrpg. Subscribed!

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@nutherefurlong 25 дней назад

Thank you for going into netrunning, I've heard praise before about the improvements to the system in Red but couldn't get much in the way of concrete details. This clarifies it and yeah, it seems pretty sharp

@brianhedley5139 13 дней назад

As you kind of address the Netrunner in Cyberpunk and the Decker in Shadowrun has to be streamlined or they end up being a solo mission and hinderance to the gameplay which is why some avoid them like the plague

@derrickhaggard 19 дней назад

Playing in a campaign as a female Cyborg Lawman/Cop and yes I'm eventually going to make her a full-body cyborg for story reasons.

@opscontaylor8195 24 дня назад

Excellent Review. Glad to contribute some data to this one (aka Kyldenar).

@billn5866 17 дней назад

I love Cyberpunk Red! It's one of my top 3 systems. (I even bought the Witcher RPG because it was the same rules for fantasy.) I do agree they should condense the skill list, or perhaps divide them into core and secondary ones.

@ivan_Hermetico2077 22 дня назад

Norax is the best!! Did an incredible job with the buying guide ❤❤

@grr-OUCH 10 дней назад

Friday Night Firefight was what they called their combat system. Also, yes, they did use chapter names as you see. I started playing the first edition in 1988, and switched to the second when it came out in 1990. There were some things that I loved about the system. Other things I hated.

@99zxk 16 дней назад

2020 has so much attitude, and its source books are fantastic. Check out the Night City book for one of the best setting books of any RPG.

@HeribertoEstolano 25 дней назад

The only reason I'm not super into Cyberpunk RPGs these days is because no matter how distopian the future was predicted by writers like Willian Gibson or Black Mirror screenwriters... the Reality fo the World since 2020 has simply become WORSE. I'm just waiting for a bit stronger milatiristic religious zealotry to be added to the mix of current day reality and I'll be finding Warhammer 40k too optimistic. Great Review, BTW. I didn't know all this support the game has received since It's launch. It's very good to know that. And hey: your review just came out right after the announcement of the Brazilian Portuguese edition of the game. Great timing.

@razorboy251 24 дня назад

I played a Netrunner in a short Cyberpunk Red campaign. It was a ton of fun as long as we weren't in combat. As soon as bullets started flying it became really tedious, crunchy, and too damn long! You mentioned armor soak, but you don't even need armor when there is plenty of cover around! And as soon as vehicles and drones were involved the combat slowed down even further. I love the setting but I'll be using something like The Sprawl or CBR+PNK to run that setting instead.

@bananapants76 21 день назад

why did it slow down?

@ensignredcoat718 24 дня назад

Personally, I still think Cyberpunk 2020 is the superior game, but there’s a lot to love about Red. Netrunning is now usable right out of the book (I never use CP2020’s Netrunning. It is awful. Thank god for Interlock Unlimited.) The expanded Lifepath system is even better than 2020’s and the Role abilities are fun. What I’m not overly keen on is Red’s setting. It feels far more Elysium than Blade Runner. I just don’t particularly like scarcity economics in my cyberpunk. Overall, a good game and a lot of book for your eddies.

@kierduros 24 дня назад

Here's the thing about damage and armor: Sure, it can soak a lot of bullets from small and medium handguns. But, all those bullets cost money and you got rent to pay, choom. Get your Solo in there close with a katana or some wolvers (or a piston-powered punch) and you're ignoring half that armor right away... and ablating it with every hit. Plus you're also tying up that gonk so he can't dodge the shots the rest of the team is taking. Loved the 2020 setting back in the day when 2020 was the far-off future. Been playing RED for a bit now and I'm getting used to the new variations in the rules. A lot comes down to the flavor you and your players bring to the game itself. Mine do a lot of legwork and shady stuff... and then use all that to their advantage when an actual fight breaks out. Well, all that and their Solo, who's around for when stuff really hits the fan.

@deusvault5732 25 дней назад

I feel like the meat shield should work only when the person your carrying has armor on them as well

@DaveThaumavore 25 дней назад

Ah, I hadn't thought of that. That totally makes sense.

@rb98769 25 дней назад

I think it's a cool mechanic even if not realistic to be honest. Rule of cool and all that.

@Argroh 22 дня назад

and later this month, is the Cyberpunk Edgerunners Mission Kit, allowing you to use the Cyberpunk RED rules as a base to play in the 2070 setting. Adding in new mechanics such as Quick-hacks.

@sonic064 19 дней назад

CP: Red i try to run when it launch the source book and half year later. I came with the conclusion that the source book is 💩 and you will have to homebrew everything.

@user-kt7li4le8s 25 дней назад

Never played RED, beginners box didn't strike me as a must-play over 2020, but I'm mildly interested in the full book Played and ran 2020 though, and I guess they tried to fix how ABSOLUTELY DEADLY and overshot. Many of my characters were obliterated and had limbs blown off with guns and heads torn off in melee more often than I was ready for... Also I straight up didn't allow netrunner PCs, way too much hassle (not that my players wanted to be one though)

@user-kt7li4le8s 25 дней назад

I feel like the optimal way to play it is to come up with a mix of 2020 and RED and perhaps override some stuff with simpler systems altogether

@ensignredcoat718 24 дня назад

@@user-kt7li4le8sI run 2020 with stuff from Interlock Unlimited. Completely takes care of the joint headaches of Netrunning and Fumbles.

@arheru 25 дней назад

Would the scenario you ran, and others for the game in general more fit into a sandbox style, or plot points? I'm reading the free version of Cities without number, which is super expensive in Europe, and I like its sandbox style, but I want to weigh my ootions with CPR.

@DaveThaumavore 25 дней назад

Plot points with branching options at each point.

@lugaruclone 24 дня назад

Cyberpunk Red is a great game... if you hack it. Vanilla from the book it is meh.

@skullsquad900 22 дня назад

I agree with everything but the CHEESE. The cheese is what makes it sooo guud! 👌

@MrYabu81 9 дней назад

Thanks for actually playing/running CP Red before reviewing it.

@MrChupacabra555 14 дней назад

Funny how 'Trauma Team', even though it was thought of in the 80s, kind of reflects American Health Care today, just dialed to 11 (if you can afford it, your Insurance Provider......or the Megacorp that provides it for you......will send in literal Paramilitary Paramedics to treat you 😂)

@Nielsristel 19 дней назад

Is there any official adventures/campaigns for busy people who don’t have the time to create their own adventures?

@DaveThaumavore 18 дней назад

Tales of the Red is a book with 9 adventure scenarios. And all the older Cyberpunk books are compatible.

@BBGunsPGH 24 дня назад

Indie rock has been thriving bro

@jideru 24 дня назад

I played Shadowrun but I wished I had access to this first

@himurogentoku7117 25 дней назад

I love R.Talsorian Games! The amount of labor of love and support for the game and community are really admirable. Great contrast to the grim ruthless selfish world in their RPG.

@TheGreatDanish 24 дня назад

I dont give a shit if you're into Cyberpunk as a genre or not. Cyberpunk Red is a must for any TTRPG enthusiast. It is one of the most beautifully elegant rules heavy systems I've ever had the joy of running.

@bananapants76 21 день назад

rules heavy? this game isnt that:)

@nomative8915 17 дней назад

Rock is far from dead. It has tons of presence online through smaller bands and soundtracks for video games and tv/movies. And even today clasic rock bands still have popularity among younger generations.

@ejsmith7626 25 дней назад

Can you do Shadowrun, or Urban Shadows. Really anymore of the city based rpgs. Something about a big city is a good setting

@atomicturist 25 дней назад

It's a decent (ish) game. It's a chaotic mess that is neither a sequel to CP2020 nor the prequel to CP2077. It has streamlined rules that instead of being simple, are more complicated than the original (which weren't that much complicated) The combat, the core of cyberpunk, is watered down to slowly stripping the enemy armor and after that hitpoints. The system uses a painstaking ammo count, yet it uses abstract rules when it comes to burst fire (if you fire a burst from a 9mm SMG it is just a bit less efficient than it would be if you had used a 30mm Gatling) Armor piercing ammo don't pierce armor. A bow is as fast firing weapon as an assault rifle. Melee combat is overpowered to the point that using guns make no sense if you can use melee. Rules are spread out seemingly randomly throughout the book and the book consists of the tables upon tables that are repeated several times throughout the chapters at least three time each. Most things that built the mood of the game like describtion of guns, cyberware and equipment are gone. The book has entire passaages taken, without any edit, from infamous CPv3. Thera are good things though. The cyberspace machanics and depiction is good. The new, refreshed take on the roles is great (they are still character classes named otherwise) which also support not only mechanics but also the role play element. It also does away with the CP2020 trope called "Shut the fuckup and play a SOLO" :) The streamlining of skills also works great. The font, graphics and other details are much better, still far behind current standards but it looks like a book released in 2010 not in the late 70s.

@princealiaps3751 22 дня назад

As much as I like CP Red, I'm disappointed by the output by R, Talsorian. First out should have been a new Night City sourcebook. Instead we got shite like Danger GIrl, Tales of the Red & Black Chrome. What about a good nomad sourcebook ?

@Acmegamer 25 дней назад

I personally feel that CP Red is a failure in the end. I really prefer still the previous edition with some adjustments/house rules to mitigate some of the systems shortcomings. I tend to agree with Seth Skorkowsky's criticisms of it,.

@WilkesBarreWrestling 25 дней назад

ratio

@Maloquinn 25 дней назад

I played Red and 2020, Red is a downgrade from 2020.

@Ars_Fabula_TTRPG 25 дней назад

This is what WOTC D&Dis missing… cross promotion through different media, it’s 2024 and few producers are understanding the potential of a diverse media approach.

@alderaancrumbs6260 25 дней назад

Critical Role? A movie? BG3? I’m confused.

@GeekToMyNerd 16 дней назад

I have more issue with the disconnect of the Lawman role, as it’s not only for cops. Rockerboy is named as such for an in-setting reason.

@alderaancrumbs6260 25 дней назад

The bloated skills and bizarre body mod disparity due to modern sensibilities really took me out of enjoyment. It’s decent, but has too many speed bumps. The setting’s pretty off-brand for Cyberpunk, both in genre and the franchise. Some good bits are how Fixers and their ecosystem work, the better balancing of Roles and that you can change them and the layout and design aesthetic .

@Pneumanon 20 дней назад

The game suffers from it's own legacy in a way. It's too tied to things that were designed over 30 years ago, both in the systems & the lore, and ends up being clunky as a result. Some of the new stuff that's in there is hampered by being tied to the older stuff. The Fixer's ecosystem and the overall economy is something I think is a good idea, but the execution leaves a lot to be desired. I understand why they didn't redesign the game from the ground up, but I think you could end up with a much better game if it had been.

@JoshuaCairns 18 дней назад

It's not about rock & roll the music, it's about the lifestyle & attitude

@Lawarot 25 дней назад

Cyberpunk 2077 is not a CRPG. Games like Baldur's Gate 3, Fallout 1/2, and Disco Elysium are CRPGs.

@AtillaBuyukurvay 25 дней назад

Agreed, however, I would say Disco Elysium is more like an interactive ebook lmao

@coryburns4309 25 дней назад

The actual definition of a CRPG… is computer role playing game. Cp2077 fits that literal definition

@nw42 25 дней назад

If you want to be technical, CP 2077 is an action RPG (ARPG).

@nw42 25 дней назад

@@AtillaBuyukurvayAn interactive Estonian magical realist graphic novel, I’d say!

@silence3178 25 дней назад

@@coryburns4309na bro it's not close in comparison to the other games it's a first person linear story game

@Robofussin23 21 день назад

Completely agree with you on "Rockerboy". Get rid of it.

@muse5722 3 дня назад

"CP77 became a CRPG" yeah lmao what CP77 did you play?

@DaveThaumavore 3 дня назад

I misspoke. I meant to say Cyberpunk 2077. But good one. You got me.

@AtillaBuyukurvay 25 дней назад

This is a very well presented review. However, I doubt if this game deserves a review this well thought-out. It claims to be a skill-based system but it’s just a class-based system with skills all over the place. It also uses a d10 just because. This could have been a d20 system with damage reduction mechanics. Skill list needs a major overhaul. Awful system overall, would not recommend. 3/10.

@Captain_Chair 25 дней назад

Roles are just super skills, it's hardly a class based system. D10 makes bonuses from skills more impactful and increases the crit/fumble chance to give the game a more extreme/chaotic feel.

@WilkesBarreWrestling 25 дней назад

So you know nothing about the game?

@AtillaBuyukurvay 24 дня назад

@@Captain_Chair CY_BORG did it better. And no, roles are just classes in another dress.

@AtillaBuyukurvay 24 дня назад

@@WilkesBarreWrestling yeah, sure. whatever floats your boat.

@WilkesBarreWrestling 22 дня назад

@@AtillaBuyukurvay Thanks for being honest.

@christopherfleetwood5252 16 дней назад

Rock is dead… LOL, NO.

@johnprodject3403 3 дня назад

Sorry no, Red belongs in the garbage, right on top of 3.0

@OgieSifter 24 дня назад

I still prefer 2020's core system but love the class changes to the more infomous roles, im still eager to see. Semantics but the terms is more related to in world culture. Its divergent from ours where the term rock from the 80's became a catch all commercial term for the kind of corporate media they consume. Its like saying punk essentially because youre co opting the term for the culty influencers. They dont have the term influencer though. thats a term from our world. From experience being cyberpsycho isnt difficult or bad to rp its actually pretty fun being not the psycho and being the psycho. In my table you were a normal character but you're constantly rolling severity for failures and are kept far away from fragile npcs. Instead of feelin like a game over its a quality of life change that i honestly dig