@@HighVoltageKits You may do it, I saw some russians using dual hub motors with a powerful 72V 60A controller, the challenge I think is to simulate the differential at high speeds with the them.
I found your video 20months after original posting.. I'm very well acquainted with your British military jargon; military efficiency experts have universal (catholic) appeal. Truism applies to all men. I agree, the middle bracket arrangement makes for a more rigid and stronger location to mount the electric motor(s) hardware and hard points. I've not kept pace with current developments; ie. components, metallurgy, gearing, gears, chains, sprockets, drives.. I used to have well developed legs to power my bicycle everywhere here in Ft. Walton Beach, FL... I agree with you Sir... There ought to be more companies besides Bosch, BaFang, Shimano or Wal-Mart competing for the long term welfare of the people and this planet. ALOHA
Hi! The CYC has developed quite a bit since you last had a look! There is a Generation 2 of the X1 and also a stealth version. Thanks for the comment! Lots of exiting stuff on the channel over the next little while!
This was extremely informative and helpful. Thanks for taking the time to provide this video. I am leaning towards the the BAC 2000 controller option, with the motor mounted the traditional manner, in front of the downtube. My thinking is that with the frame geometry on my bike, the long mounting brackets of the golden chain version should keep the motor elevated enough to not get battered by rocks on trails. Hopefully the BAC 2000 controller could also be be fit between the mounting brackets the way the stock controller is.
Thanks. I'm going to look at the 2000 for future projects. A few people are using the quilbix frame. Once I get one in my hands I'll look at the mounting options. Potentially it could be side mounted with the right bracket. It's not that big but the plugs stick our a bit.
Wow this has to be the best ebike video ever made. No outlandish claims Just straight to the point. every aspect covered with just the right amount of detail and live examples and clips. I have been decided on this motor for my Devinci Dixion for a few months. i will be ordering it the first week of January$$. The only curiosity i have is if you have a range test including the AH of your battery the cells it is using. The plan for mine was to start with a luna 30q wolf pack 52v 12 AH. Do you think that is a good way to start? Anyway THANK YOU for the excellent informative video. One of the best i have seen and i have been compulsively researching ebikes for the last 13 months.
Thanks alot! Nick is on the money battery wise. The 30q is a solid cell though. Are you in the US? Also have a look at litespeedbikes for batteries if you are.
At 7:30 you state the motors will appear less loud while off-road, due to the difference in the road/trail surface. I agree with this. Additionally, riding off road, over rocks, bumps, and tree roots is quite loud itself, which will also help mask any additional noise.
The biggest bit of advice I would have welcomed when first buying the BBSHD or any bolt on would of been, make sure the bike your putting it on is a strong bike. If you are going full suspension make sure the flex in the pivot points will withstand the forces applied from the motor in both radial and lateral axis. The torque these motors put out is far beyond any pedal power I can put out and I wear spandex on a weekend. I like a good pedal so I think the cyc is for me 3 clutches in the bbshd in 2000 miles. Is there a chance you could do a pedal resistance test on both motors?
Ugh I cant wait to finally get rid of this BBSHD and slap the CYC on my bike, I've been chatting with Jon quite a bit about the gearing options and everything else and I can't even believe how helpful he is. Now I just need to figure out if I'm going with an internally geared hub or maybe just a single speed.
Nice, I feel for you BBSHD. Rest in peace. I will be running 72 volts bac2000 next year but on a stronger frame. I'll do single speed tho. The strongest internal hubs are rated to 3kw max.
Very helpful video mate, Thankyou! I’m fitting a mid drive kit to a TRIKEXPLOR F420 Quad. I’ll then put a weatherproof cabin/ she’ll on it (more like a car) I’ll be happy to share :) Hanks mate
Dont know if anyone cares but if you're bored like me atm you can watch all the latest movies and series on Instaflixxer. Have been watching with my gf for the last couple of weeks :)
Thanks, great video. I got a Trek 4500 all aluminum 26 " wheels 19" frame clueless to what i needed to make it fit? Which company would recommend ordering from? There are so many.
Hi again Great video very clearly and well explained . The main thing I have noticed with the bbshd and the noise level as it depends on what frame you have it mounted to as the vibrations are transmitted via the frame. My old bike was a Carrera hard tail and the bbshd was noticeably louder than my current bike with is a giant trance full suspension you can see the frame material is thicker especially round the bottom bracket area. How would you say the torque levels of the cyc compare to the bbshd would you say they are similar? Also do you no if there is an option to change the display on the cyc I'm guessing there is if the controller is changed. Keep up the good work. Cheers Daniel
You make an excellent point with the sound. I had not considered the frame as being a factor but it makes alot of sense. In terms of torque the CYC I believe is 180nm and the bbshd 160nm max on both. Only the one display from CYC but there will be more options with the ASI controllers. Both direct from them or via ERT. Cheers
Very informative video.How do you think basic maintenance will compare with the BBS HD? Particularly when it comes to greasing the gears. Did you consider the purchasing the gear version?
B. Bergy Thanks! I did not consider the geared version. I just had a bad feeling about it. I don't think many people got it and I doubt it will continue to be made. I terms of maintaining I think the bbshd has a clear edge as the parts are widely available along with specialist tools and lots of videos. That said the x1 is built well. I doubt I will need to service much. Regressing looks to be a relatively easy task as the gear box is pretty easy to remove. They come extremely well lubricated already. You would have to take of the motor to do this which is marginally more of a job than the bbshd. I think you might be able to do the main gear on the bbshd while it's still bolted on but I'd have to check. I haven't had issues with either motor. I have do my bbshd in the spring so I will let you know how that goes for sure. Hope this rather rambling answer helps. Cheers.
Congratulations on your video. I want to improve my travel autonomy and buy the CYC X1pro engine, for my MTB. and travel mountain paths. I am interested that it can climb mountain paths well at a slow but safe speed. (speed is not my interest) What voltage and power in the battery do you recommend for the CYC X1 pro for to do its. My routines are all day long. Thanks a lot
For trails and the riding you describe a quality 36 volt pack with good cells will do what you need. 52 volts will give more speed. Hope this helps. If you ask on the cyc Facebook you can see what 36 volt packs people are recommending. There will likely be more choice at 52 or 48 Volts. Make sure the bms and cells can handle the high current draw of the cyc. Cheers!
Best CYC x1 Pro Vid I have seen yet! My motor with all the upgrades (Using The New Stock Controller, Torque Sensing, Etc) Is Shipping in the next couple weeks and I am so excited but cannot decide on a battery. Looking at 52v but cells or polymer??? First E-bike kit for me and I plan to start making vids too, hope they are as good as yours!, Please add me for the 1k drawing Im sure you'll get there soon!
Hi Captain + everyone and Edward B. My ASI 2000 + Gen2 motor is due to ship in 2 weeks. I too am looking for a battery. My pressing concern is to find a way of toggling between street legal mode ( for Australia ) and Off Road, hill climbing mode. suggestions welcome
Lol. Off road low power they are way quieter than anything else they might have. But it would need making to mil spec. I keep meaning to do some real world testing as to how far away you can hear it.
Thank you for this. I have a BBSHD with stock controller, running it within the legal limits in Europe. I was looking at the CYC X1 since i just want to refine my bike some more. Have you contemplated making custom cabling to get the cable clutter cleaner?
I have but as I am still refining things I did not want to cut into the harness. I only have one lol. As you already have a BBSHD have you considered this for a performance upgrade? Check out this video of my BBSHD with the bac800 controller. You can get a massive performance boost without replacing your motor. If you later wanted to get the CYC then you could also use the bac800 with it just by changing out a few bits of wiring and some parameter settings. The closet place to you is in the UK and with the pound doing badly against the Euro it's not bad price wise. I am going to do some videos installing the bac800 on my CYC over the next few months. It will be a few months for you to get an X1 as things are being finalized and they do have a backlog. www.electroncycles.co.uk/product-category/parts-kits/ (Francis is the guy to talk to) BBSHD on ASI at 52 volts ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-z6hTM-FpNSQ.html
Hi On mine and my partner's bikes I have shorted the main wiring loom. There is only 8 wires all colour coded the the main part of the bafang loom with 1 plug at one end and 4 at the other I think I took about 10inches out and now the cables are perfect length so have very neat installs on both bikes. I just simply cut the cable to desired length and soilder them back together I did stagger the joints slightly then heat shrink each joint with some small heat shrink the individual cables are 28 AWG then 2 larger bit of heat shrink over the whole lot. Spare looms can be found for not very much so give it a try. Cheers
@@HighVoltageKits Im using the same reasoning(excuse?) to wait with cable cutting:P I just sent electron cycles a email to maybe buy a controller. Do you know if the BAC800 has the ability to control lights on the bike? Im looking to integrate some Supernova branded light's on the build also.
Does the CYC X1 have more power than the BBSHD at 72v? can either of them run at 84v peak voltage? I want to switch from my hub motor for hill climbing reasons. But my bike is a single speed no gears. So I don't know how this would work? I guess it's not so much the hills I'm just interested in trying a mid-drive because I just like challenging things. I wonder how these compare to the Luna Cycle Cyclone 3000w Mid- Drive as the whole set up is pretty cheap, But I'd rather have a better unit then save money. Out of the CYC X1 and BBSHD if you could only keep one which one would it be? Wait im confused is the Luna Cycle Cyclone the CYC X1 or is it a different unit? Sorry, I'm new to these mid-drive beasts. lol
The x1 is 5kw capable and runs much cooler than the bbshd as it was designed for such power. It will both run at the full 84 volts. The new gen 2 x1 has torque sensing and various other upgrades.
If your battery runs out, is pedaling will be the same like a normal force you do normally on a bike without the motor making it hard against the pedals ?
The motor does not make it harder. But the weight of the bike does lol. Peddling without the motor is a chore I avoid lol. But it's more doable on the cyc bike as the original gearing is mostly intact.
what size of front crank did you order with it? On the order form it says 52 tooth. seems like overkill or am I thinking about it wrong. is it because its connected from the small motor cog an chain?
There are more teeth on the secondary reduction chain gear. The narrow wide that goes to the rear on the inside with regular bicycle chain is 38t I think.
does he have a metal gear inside the bbshd? sounds way louder than my. the ASI controller make it so loud i assume. nothing would make me get rid of my bbshd, i'v had a few now and theyr hard to beat for the price for quality and reliability. however the new frame integrated motors from bosh and bafang are on next leve if you convert to an asi controller. but the SUR RON light bee is my favorit.
I am still on the stock nylon gear. Some of the noise is the camera location and some of it is the high rpms. Some is the road noise from the nobby tires. It's not so loud in the riding position. It's a fabulous motor. I wish it was developed more. I like the ultra maybe I'll try it one day. I'm looking at a build with the lightning rods this year so purpose built rather than a frame conversion.
Gen2 seems like a nice kit but I still cant get my head around bb mounting. There are 3 issues that I see: 1) according to diagram for BSA 83mm on their website the mounting bracket is 83mm wide (obviously) but intended frames are either 68 or 73mm wide, mine seems to be 71, how do you make up for that 1cm? 2) chain ring side N on diagram is 99.6mm wide from the center of the frame, while the other side P is 91mm, that is almost 1cm difference in pedal distance from the center of the frame. I dont know if that matters or not I havent purchased or tried this kit. 3) N+P=19.6cm, seems a bit wide when I put that measurement on my bike(hybrid, not even a narrow road bike) which is 140mm at its widest point. That is 3cm of difference per side (only?) which honestly may not be that bad, but issue no 1 above is what worries me, it doesnt seem like it will be mounted snug to the frame around bb? Or am I looking at this completely wrong...
The kit has spacers for the most common sizes. But you can get bb spacers of various sizes at pretty much any bike shop. So although 71mm is unusual it's not a show stopper in terms of using the kit. My bike uses all the spacers with a 68mm bb. The best advice to to contact Jon at CYC. He is really helpful and if you tell him the frame you have along with your concerns he can give you specific advice. Good luck with your build!
Hello, have you ever thought about changing the gear ratio to achieve theoretically 100 kmh and test the real speed? Seems like your setup has rpm being a bottleneck, try to decrease reduction ratio and test some continuous max speed
I'm only running 52 volts on the X1. 100kph is possible at 72. Whether I try it that fast we will see! At 52 volts the rpm tops out at about 7500 under load. At 72 with a bac2000 it jumps up to 12000. So yeah if I hit 69kph at 7500 in theory 12000 on the same hill will put me over the 100... But the limit is 60 there so I will find a different location to test in spring.
@@HighVoltageKits I know I'm 4 months late here. But, do you reckon you'll need a bike with more rake on the front forks before attempting that kind of speed on the flat? Seems that something as relatively light as an e bike, might start to get twitchy, if you try to make corrections at those speeds
So I like wheelies. I've rode the tangent and it took time to spool up. Where as my hd had instant power after holding the throttle slightly for a few seconds. What do you think about instant torque on and off while the wheel is on the air?
@@HighVoltageKits full suspension.. Also got a 29 hardtail. So options..Did start looking at Bafang but now I like the new look off the CYC...cheers..happy to follow along with you n get some honest facts..Alex.
I did once get my pants leg caught in the chain on my BBSHD and the result was more embarrassing than damaging. Except to my pride lol. After that I made sure that anything I was wearing was well tucked in and have not encountered the issue again. Its definitely something to take sensible precautions will. People can and do fabricate chain guards. The CYC motor here has a guard at the top. with the newer generation it is more extensive. I think there is less chance with this motor even where I have it located. But even so I don't take chances and my clothing is a check I do every time before I ride just like I also check the brakes, wheels etc before I hit the road. Hope this helps. Cheers
Unfortunately I can’t fit a Bafang motor to my tandem as there’s two bolts fitted underneath the bottom bracket which are used to adjust the eccentric shell for chain tensioning , looking at the design of this motor I could place this motor within the frame . I would only won’t to run this motor using P.A.S sensor As I only need this motor for taking the sting out of the hills. Are the cables long enough to reach the front handle bars if I fit the motor to the rear. Is there room to fit a single chainwheel crank on opposite side of motor as will need to connect chain to both front and rear cranks.
The cable harness is way longer than it needs to be so it might reach the extra distance. As far as what will fit I would shoot cyc an email with the frame details. I have zero experience with tandem bikes other than a rough idea of the concept. Why would you not use the cyc on the front?
Captain Codswallop hi can’t use a rear wheel hub motor as my tandem is fitted with 14 speed Rolhoff hub gear, I tried a front hub kit last year made by Swytch worked ok but prefer mid drive motor. I’m thinking of purchasing a Moustache Samedi tandem it’s the only ebike tandem worth buying but @ close to £6000 that’s a lot on money
I’d love to add a mid drive kit to my ‘Charge’ bike (steel triangular frame, Shimano Alfine 11speed IHG hub - circa 2014), but do you think the CYC X1 Pro would be compatible with that IHG (or any IHG, come to that)?
There is a sturmy archer hub that can do 3kw. I have no idea if yours will handle it. Changing gear under load probably a bad idea. I like the idea of igh though. If you can afford to you could try it. You could also ask about on the forums to see if anyone has had any joy.
The new Kindernay is the only hub candidate for that amount of torque and power. It comes with 14 gears,like the Rollhoff, but it is a completely different brand. All made in Europe. The Alfine 11 will wistand a normal mid drive (A Tongsheng TSDZ2), but not a CYC or BBSHD. It will be a gambling game
@@HighVoltageKits You talking about the Sturmey Archer SX-RK3; yes, it can handle 3000w on a heavy bike wuth no issues. The Shimano Nexus 3 will do it on a normal ebike, it can also wistand a ton of power
That's a comparison I'm not able to make as I have zero experience with the cyclone. Check endless sphere for advice on that kit. The new gen2 cyc has torque sensing and is a more compact and modern design. But they have some similarities. I have heard the cyclone can be a difficult installation but I have heard people say that about the cyc as well. I have zero interest in the cyclone personally but it because I'd rather try the lighning rods if I was to look beyond the cyc. Maybe in the future. There are more bb choices with the cyc so likely a wider range of suitable bikes. Good luck! Cheers
The front chain ring is an option provided by CYC. I think you can buy them online. The one I have came with the motor kit. Let me know if this is not what you meant.
I am pretty sure you can set up three different riding profile on thr cyc so you would be able to set one for 500 watts or 250 etc and disable the throttle. I think that is the current eu law...
That what a lot of people do. You can still run into issues. It's worth researching the attitudes of local police etc to ebikes. The fact you can unlock it by pushing a button might not wash in a few places. I'm hopeful attitudes will change. In general if a rider is safe and respects the road conditions people ought not to bother you.
I would not take my bike hard riding down a mountain. If the bike is capable of hard riding I dont see why you cant add the motor and ride it hard. You need to allow for the extra weight when specifying your suspension and brakes etc.
The newer design has a more guarding. I have not got my pants caught so far..I did on my bbshd tho. That was embarrassing lol. I had to lie down and take my boot off lol.
@@HighVoltageKits Oh that would be awkward, it's a bit of a concern to me because I often wear pants rather than shorts. The BBSHD crank gear looks enclosed or is it not? I'm looking at buying one for my bike.
Right now it's just the stock stuff that came with the frame. I will see how it copes at 5kw soon! The rear cassette is steel so should be ok.Im not sure about the freewheel hub tho. I may need to change that. In general steel is best for ebikes.
Thanks I'll try. Is it the KMC E? I only busted chains when I stood up to try and get the bike moving faster than it would with the motor in a high gear... only did that twice. I have KMC 6-8 speed chain on now. But I am fixed to a single gear and leaving the motor to do all the work. That's on my bbshd. The cyc does not spin fast enough with stock 52 volts and no field weakening to do this. Cheers
I'm pretty sure it's going to ship in around two months. They have a backlog to clear. I am checking this though. Shoot Jon at CYC a message and he will likely give you a timeline. If you tell him the bike you are using and the bb type and width that will help also. Links to CYC in the description. Cheers
The bbshd is way quiter at 36 volts as well. Some of it is the shear mechanical noise at high RPM. Some if it is exaggerated due to camera placement. But really with chains and this power greater noise is unavoidable with a mid drive.
tuning with the beta app. if you have questions about settings and what they do and how to get it to your riding style. 3 modes 9 pas and 1 auto... thats 28 total different settings.... :) ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-4XMyx01EmgQ.html
Thanks Nick, I have been using your video. It was very helpful. The breakthrough for me was when i understood how the power factor works with the pedal cadence. I'm just setting it to zero. I just want to be able to spin the paddles and get the desired level of power with no variation due to cadence. Might sound a bit odd to kill the feature but it works for me! Cheers
as far as sound. here is a video with a 212cc mini bike vs my cyc for sound and acceleration and speed. it is silent when you're not on the bike.. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-TlnQq11W33Y.html
I'm not really knowledgeable about period styles. Things come around though. It reminds me of the Jetsons with the noise it makes. Somebody told me it looked steam punk the other day. I had to look that up...
