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Cyclist - v - Motorists, an impasse. 

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Cyclist - v - Motorists, an impasse.
All has now become clear, not disclosed in the original Documents: -
The cyclist clearly informed TVP, of a ‘close pass’ by the white van driver but not the black car driver.
However, TVP said: - “ In order to bring a prosecution for any offence in the Magistrates’ Court there has to be sufficient evidence to provide a realistic prospect of a conviction, the evidence burden of proof being beyond doubt ‘On this occasion that standard is not met”.
I cannot see how evidence of the measured distance can ever be provided, with all accusations based upon subjective opinions. In the judgment of the white van driver, there was sufficient passing distance.
It is no longer possible for cyclists and motorists to share the UK highways (carriageway) with the new Highway Code (211 - 215 - ‘passing cyclists’). It is not possible to pass cyclists with at least 1.5 metres distance (30 MPH) when cyclists (single or two abreast) can position themselves anywhere on the carriageway.
It will also be necessary for vehicles to stop if they are approaching cyclists from the opposite, direction on ‘B’ Class and minor roads, where 1.5+ metres of space is not possible.
“leave at least 1.5 metres when overtaking cyclists at speeds of up to 30mph, and give them more space when overtaking at higher speeds”
Is this the new passing cyclists’ Code?: - 1 metre at 20 MPH; 1.50 metres at 30 MPH; 2.00 metres at 40 MPH; 2.50 metres at 50 MPH and 3.00 metres at 60 MPH (National Speed limit).

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Комментарии : 33   
@GARDENER42
@GARDENER42 6 месяцев назад
Cyclists need to understand the have responsibilities, as well as rights. The 1.5m rule is plain stupid when cyclists ride two abreast on the roads round here, as that means NOWHERE is acceptable to pass them, no matter how slow they're riding.
@bestbehave
@bestbehave 6 месяцев назад
Nope, riding 2 abreast is perfectly acceptable, especially where the riders have judged it is unsafe for drivers to pass The HWC or the law make no mention of your opinions. As the overtaking driver it is your responsibility to do so safely, and it is not incumbent on those ahead to facilitate Driving safely round people on bikes is easy - I can do it, why not you?
@robgraham9234
@robgraham9234 6 месяцев назад
⁠@@bestbehaveHighway Code also states that slow moving vehicles should move over to let faster traffic pass as soon as practicable. When I was younger and getting around by bike there were even public service broadcasts stating that it was dangerous to ride 2 abreast as it limited the space to pass and put you at risk of being knocked off. The current advertising is that it MAY be safer to ride 2 abreast or in the middle of the road going round corners. It doesn’t explain why or when this maybe the case though. Thus resulting in cyclists not thinking they should ride 2 abreast even though a lot of the time this puts them in more danger.
@otacon5648
@otacon5648 6 месяцев назад
@@bestbehavePack it in. By your reckoning two cyclists could ride two abreast on a country road because a book says so and stop everyone behind from passing for miles and miles because they can’t possibly give the 1.5m ‘safe space’ cyclists are now entitled to. Is that fair? That two people on a jolly riding bicycles can hold up an entire line of traffic trying to get to work etc because they won’t ride single file and make it so the passing traffic can give the required 1.5m space? You are why people hate cyclists. You are the problem. “I’m riding my push cycle at 10mph next to my friend, f**k everyone else on the road and Christ help them if they try to overtake in the dangerous situation I have created for myself by not giving overtaking traffic the chance to be 1.5m away from me by riding single file and they will eventually have enough and pass ‘too close’ as they’ve been forced to by my ignorant riding but I will still shake my fist and cry about it” I think it’s you that needs to behave.
@otacon5648
@otacon5648 6 месяцев назад
ahaha sad bastards deleted my comment. Can’t hack it when someone makes a point you have no comeback to so you delete it. Perfect.
@otacon5648
@otacon5648 6 месяцев назад
@@bestbehave Pack it in. By your reckoning two cyclists could ride two abreast on a country road because a book says so and stop everyone behind from passing for miles and miles because they can't possibly give the 1.5m 'safe space' cyclists are now entitled to. Is that fair? That two people on a jolly riding bicycles can hold up an entire line of traffic trying to get to work etc because they won't ride single file and make it so the passing traffic can give the required 1.5m space? You are why people hate cyclists. You are the problem. "I'm riding my push cycle at 10mph next to my friend, f**k everyone else on the road and Christ help them if they try to overtake in the dangerous situation I have created for myself by not giving overtaking traffic the chance to be 1.5m away from me by riding single file and they will eventually have enough and pass 'too close' as they've been forced to by my ignorant riding but I will still shake my fist and cry about it" I think it's you that needs to behave.
@secondchance6603
@secondchance6603 6 месяцев назад
I cycled everywhere as a kid in the seventies and the rule was to keep as close to the kerb as possible and no more than two abreast and it worked just fine. Now we have arrogant wanke.. cyclists taking up half the road and being prats should any motorist dare to attempt to pass them.
@jimenojaime7268
@jimenojaime7268 4 месяца назад
Whether or not it is a close pass is debatable. As soon as I saw it I thought it looked way too close - the police obviously thought otherwise What is not in question is that fact that it was UNNECESSARILY close - there was absolutely no reason the van couldn't have gone wider - and it should have done
@stangreen2538
@stangreen2538 4 месяца назад
The Police did not proceed, realising it is all a matter of perception and unprovable.
@otacon5648
@otacon5648 6 месяцев назад
That guy with the camera is out looking to be a grass. That is the one sole reason they have cameras.
@stangreen2538
@stangreen2538 6 месяцев назад
I have a camera on my bike and was recording dozens of close passes every day, so I now cycle on footways.
@otacon5648
@otacon5648 6 месяцев назад
@@stangreen2538 That’s a great idea. You are doing Gods work by not blocking up the roads. Thank you.
@stangreen2538
@stangreen2538 6 месяцев назад
@@otacon5648I only cycle on footways.
@slowdownmoveoversharethero9701
@slowdownmoveoversharethero9701 6 месяцев назад
So If you look at it the first group no issue your suppose to be in the oncoming traffic when passing a group of cyclist or a cyclist Now at @2;33 the cyclist should of been more in the center of the travel lane for visibility, Leafving the white van to pass in the on coming lane when safe. So yes i would personally call it a close pass.
@stangreen2538
@stangreen2538 5 месяцев назад
TVP do not agree, it was NOT a class pass. not that it is EVER provable.
@Devilsgreedybelly
@Devilsgreedybelly 6 месяцев назад
One word Airchime. 😮
@stangreen2538
@stangreen2538 6 месяцев назад
What is 'Airchime'?
@superscaff4124
@superscaff4124 6 месяцев назад
Hi Stan, not sure if I've got the wrong end of the stick here, but it looked to me like you crossed entirely to the other side of the road to pass the group of cyclists at reasonably low speed, yet you only straddled the white line to pass the lone cyclist at much higher speed. It did look to me like a close pass, but nothing I don't see every day, although that doesn't make it right.
@jaywalker3087
@jaywalker3087 6 месяцев назад
You Shouldn't See This Kind Of Thing Everyday. That's The Point !!! I'm an AnE nurse and I've given up cycling to work. It's too dangerous and I've seen what cars and lorries do the human body...
@superscaff4124
@superscaff4124 6 месяцев назад
@@jaywalker3087 You can make your point without all the !!!! I see it every day, because there was no real risk although it was needlessly close. I'm sorry you have chosen to give up on cycling to work, I haven't and have no plans to. I see it as a risk based activity and I'm happy I can take steps to reduce my own risk and not getting involved in nonevents like the example shown here is one of them.
@jaywalker3087
@jaywalker3087 6 месяцев назад
@superscaff4124 I'm an AnE nurse. Seen too many dead or badly injured cyclists. I take extra care when driving too. People take too many chances. Being with the doctor when we tell relatives we've lost a patient is horrendous.....
@superscaff4124
@superscaff4124 6 месяцев назад
@@jaywalker3087 of that there is no doubt, but cyclists cover millions of miles every year quite safely, so there's no need to stop cycling. I assume you have been involved where drivers have been injured as well, and you haven't given up driving. 👍
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