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CycloRotor: Is this the future of eVTOL Electric Propulsion System? 

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In February 1923, Jonathan Edward Caldwell, filed for a patent on a device he called the "cyclogyro". It consisted of an airplane fuselage with two paddle-wheel-like attachments in place of the wings. This was only one of many attempts to create a vertical takeoff and landing Cyclocopter aircraft.
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This century-old technology used successfully in ships, is gaining traction as an eVTOL main and auxiliary propulsion system. It offers compactness, precise maneuverability, and a stable transition from hover to flight. In this video, I will explain the operating principle of the Cyclorotor and I will go over the pros and cons of the propulsion system that could be powering your future daily commute.
The historic failure of Cyclogyro prototypes can be attributed to one or more of 3 main weaknesses: unsuitable materials, heavy engines and power sources or insufficient knowledge of aerodynamic phenomena.
In recent years, converging technologies and improvements in lightweight materials, electric propulsion systems and batteries have reached a point where they have the potential to revolutionize air travel. The creation of new Cyclorotor systems that benefit from this technology advancements are allowing the development of new Cyclocopter aircraft around the world.
Cyclocopter technology combines the main benefits of rotorcraft and fixed-wing concepts. A CycloRotor has several wings rotating around a central rotation axis at a constant speed. These wings are connected to a freely rotating hub via conrods.
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@eVTOLinnovation
@eVTOLinnovation 2 года назад
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@ahmdabdallah5811
@ahmdabdallah5811 2 года назад
God has said in the Quran: { O mankind, worship your Lord, who created you and those before you, that you may become righteous - ( 2:21 ) [He] who made for you the earth a bed [spread out] and the sky a ceiling and sent down from the sky, rain and brought forth thereby fruits as provision for you. So do not attribute to Allah equals while you know [that there is nothing similar to Him]. ( 2:22 ) And if you are in doubt about what We have sent down upon Our Servant [Muhammad], then produce a surah the like thereof and call upon your witnesses other than Allah, if you should be truthful. ( 2:23 ) But if you do not - and you will never be able to - then fear the Fire, whose fuel is men and stones, prepared for the disbelievers.( 2:24 ) And give good tidings to those who believe and do righteous deeds that they will have gardens [in Paradise] beneath which rivers flow. Whenever they are provided with a provision of fruit therefrom, they will say, "This is what we were provided with before." And it is given to them in likeness. And they will have therein purified spouses, and they will abide therein eternally. ( 2:25 ) Quran
@tsutton245
@tsutton245 2 года назад
That's the closest to reinventing the helicopter blades🐵🐵🐵🐵🐎🐎🐎🐎🐎
@Tikkanier
@Tikkanier 2 года назад
🤦‍♂️
@Viscous_Dampers_For_Houses
@Viscous_Dampers_For_Houses 2 года назад
.
@timwrigley102
@timwrigley102 2 года назад
I worked with a company that was developing this same technology back in the early 00's. PM me if you want.
@andreasl33
@andreasl33 2 года назад
The efficiency of cyclorotors is much lower than propellers. Since the energy density of the battery is already a problem with propellers, I am sceptical about this concept. No gliding, too.
@dm_grant
@dm_grant 2 года назад
@@Zugo99 the main rotor blade continues to rotate. The loss of power reduces the lift but does not eliminate it entirely. The pilot maintains control while looking for a landing spot. Once commit, the pilot flies to the landing spot and before landing pulls the collective to maximize pitch and reduce rate of descent to make a the landing. They train for this. So if one of three lifting devices fails on this platform, how does the pilot maintain control?
@turbodiesel8651
@turbodiesel8651 2 года назад
@@Zugo99 helicopter rotors can continue to spin without engine power simply by changing the pitch of the rotors. It’s called auto rotation
@no_tread_
@no_tread_ 2 года назад
@@Zugo99 parachute
@somal1anwarlord197
@somal1anwarlord197 2 года назад
@@Zugo99 The Helicopter starts to fall and he has to go through the air, so the propellers get more speed because of the air gliding against the blades, so it gets a bit of a lift... the helicopter crashes, but it does not fall out of the air and can land even for a crash kinda safely... Blackbawks can crash up to 80kmh without a dead crew afterwards.... If one engine fails at this system it will tilt and drift to the dead engine side and then overturn itself and gobstraight to the ground
@nathanthomas8184
@nathanthomas8184 2 года назад
Can I Be a crash test dummy
@Mechaneer
@Mechaneer 2 года назад
We just need stronger hamsters to run in there!
@Katzenkotze85
@Katzenkotze85 2 года назад
...antimatter...😎😂
@maimaibiri9045
@maimaibiri9045 2 года назад
Yeah superhamster or flash hamster kind.
@bangkokom
@bangkokom 2 года назад
Run forest...run
@z3ronotfund939
@z3ronotfund939 2 года назад
famm
@thiagocabral8568
@thiagocabral8568 2 года назад
Hamtaro master Power!!!!
@1119-w3u
@1119-w3u 2 года назад
Propeller is still more balanced though. The rotation X axis is always negative to gravity which creates a better balance. This cyclone rotor is balanced on the Y axis negative to gravity which is good, but if it gets windy or more importantly when it starts raining, that could throw off balance better than having the axis balance centered towards gravity.
@keith3761
@keith3761 2 года назад
If ONLY you could take a propeller and rotate it to land and forward for flight :S /s
@henrik1743
@henrik1743 2 года назад
indeed this looked unstable
@LeprosuGnome
@LeprosuGnome 2 года назад
This is as close as you can get to "reinventing the wheel"
@privatecitizenguy2640
@privatecitizenguy2640 2 года назад
If it were up to people like you early 20th-century we would still be getting around on horse drawn buggy’s.
@LeprosuGnome
@LeprosuGnome 2 года назад
@@privatecitizenguy2640 of course my guy, of course.
@Katzenkotze85
@Katzenkotze85 2 года назад
...but in a worse -more complicated, less aerodynamic way...i cannot see the big advantages over already proven systems, which are cheaper, easier to produce and more reliable... to call it "the future" is hideous... this is all prototype stage; as it was 100 years before... (at least today we can bring it up into the sky! 😅)
@monsterno.definablenever.3484
@monsterno.definablenever.3484 2 года назад
look up forklift wheels.
@OlavSchneider
@OlavSchneider 2 года назад
@@privatecitizenguy2640 Right and we wouldn't have to worry about climate change. Great.
@ImAlecPonce
@ImAlecPonce 2 года назад
Looks cool…. But the more moving parts you have the more likely to have a system failure. I’m curious to see how it turns out.
@_Chad_ThunderCock
@_Chad_ThunderCock 2 года назад
Betting this concept won't truly lift off the ground. And yes the pun was intended;)
@carlsjr7975
@carlsjr7975 2 года назад
How is this not a shitty variable pitch propeller?
@michaelwinter742
@michaelwinter742 2 года назад
In case of failure, you fall to your death.
@justasingledronevideo2583
@justasingledronevideo2583 2 года назад
This is exactly what I was thinking. Cool concept, but not really practical unfortunately.
@ellatiodiaz465
@ellatiodiaz465 2 года назад
@@justasingledronevideo2583 For large cargo drones maybe but not for passengers. If passengers are onboard then a large portion of the crafts weight must be occupied by a large, deployable parachute emergency system.
@yp5387
@yp5387 2 года назад
I see lots comments about how inefficient it is, and it has many moving parts. But that doesn’t mean that innovation has to stop. Kudos to the team for achieving this prototype.
@abadran8174
@abadran8174 2 года назад
This isn't innovation though. I can make a propeller that consists of just oscillating Chinese hand fans. But I don't think that's innovation
@abadran8174
@abadran8174 2 года назад
@@San-nj6mp it's novelty, brother, not innovation. Cars using wheels, that's adoption.
@ॐअखंडधर्मःॐ
@@abadran8174 You won't know when one of these stupid looking ideas end up in space robots or landing gear in some kind of reusable rocket. You need to try stuff to do stuff.
@yp5387
@yp5387 2 года назад
@@abadran8174 There is a difference between "I can make" and "I have made"
@mkzhero
@mkzhero 2 года назад
There's barely anything new about the concept nor its implementation, and there's nearly no room to improve either. Its also inefficient and complex, with a lot of room for malfunction. It might have a couple of uses and advantages, but with current battery tech its near useless, with a gas engine a normal Vtol is far more effective and efficient too...
3 года назад
finally a drone, that does a proper job in mowing my lawn.... those propeller ones totally ruin the tips!
@subramaniamchandrasekar1397
@subramaniamchandrasekar1397 3 года назад
Shifting blades like helicopter, 4 instead of 1. It will mowing the lawn when it falls off.
@williammorris4327
@williammorris4327 3 года назад
Careful with the tip plz
@gutpile6151
@gutpile6151 2 года назад
Love the way those old reel type mowers cut. Kind of like the ones golf courses use
@sarah117
@sarah117 2 года назад
LOL
@williammorris4327
@williammorris4327 2 года назад
@@fredgervinm.p.3315 naa
@lescoe
@lescoe 2 года назад
I'm looking forward to dying on one of these.
@dmitriyk1857
@dmitriyk1857 2 года назад
People like you have been around for decades. When commercial airplanes were becoming a thing, cars, boats.
@lescoe
@lescoe 2 года назад
@@dmitriyk1857 And to this day, people still die on airplanes, cars, and boats. Go ride one.
@dmitriyk1857
@dmitriyk1857 2 года назад
​@@lescoe Enjoy the primitive life style. I suggest not using fire either, just in case your home catches fire.
@lescoe
@lescoe 2 года назад
@@dmitriyk1857 I'm already homeless, so there's no risk of catching my non-existent house on fire. And I enjoy the primitive life very much actually.
@dmitriyk1857
@dmitriyk1857 2 года назад
@@lescoe My b. Hope things get better for you.
@realkanavdhawan
@realkanavdhawan 2 года назад
I am much concerned about following (1) Size of cyclocopters when proto is scaled up (2) Power required (3) Noise level (4) Vibration and its effect on other structural components
@despicabledeplorablemgtow3837
(5) Performance and safety under active weather conditions (wind, rain, snow)
@aronperger9391
@aronperger9391 2 года назад
Yaaaaay! more moving parts! this will never fail miserably!
@rymannphilippe
@rymannphilippe 2 года назад
More part = more better..... Hmmmmm or get I it wrong ;-)
@likzen8876
@likzen8876 2 года назад
by the look at it, the timing belt will slip the most time.
@elfpimp1
@elfpimp1 2 года назад
Sounds fs like German engineering. 👍
@ACpvpguides
@ACpvpguides 2 года назад
it’s less than a gas one
@UltimateEntity
@UltimateEntity 2 года назад
It just similar to a helicopter lol, if you smart enough you'll know
@YippingFox
@YippingFox 2 года назад
as neat as it seems, I am skeptical on scaling a model like this. Seeing how large the "wings" already are and the speed they are rotating at, scaling them will make the forces on the wheel so much larger.
@someguywithamustache7235
@someguywithamustache7235 2 года назад
Agreed 🤣it uses energy inefficiently compared to a regular drone rotor
@GhostOdyssey
@GhostOdyssey 2 года назад
I'm on the same boat, but also, Murphy's Law comes to mind considering the complexity of the myriad of moving parts involved.
@mikeb3172
@mikeb3172 2 года назад
Being made from the same material in any scale, they would be lighter when scaled up
@sheilaolfieway1885
@sheilaolfieway1885 2 года назад
yeah i didn't think about the stresses induced by the rotataion of the blades, there's a reason aircraft switched from using rotary engines (Where the whole motor rotates) to radial and standard V shaped engines with the radial engine the force of rotation could at higher Rpms rip the motor apart.
@ViolentKisses87
@ViolentKisses87 2 года назад
Just looking at household fans this blade design has always been less efficient and louder for a given volume of air.
@johnmasterson2803
@johnmasterson2803 2 года назад
The string suspending it from the ceiling is a revolutionary component
@GamingWithNikolas
@GamingWithNikolas 2 года назад
Yah, this idea is dumb
@DennisKwasnycia
@DennisKwasnycia 3 года назад
So can we talk about the 25kg of lift per rotor(@300rpm). That is that this test bench, with 4 - rotors, can only produce 100kg. This thing is carbon composite, so clearly pretty light weight, but it does not have a battery pack to account for yet. The test bench IO is external. I have doubts that this is even getting off the ground with a passenger and a battery pack. I'm not sure what the upper limits of the rotor speed is, but if it's peak efficiency is at 300 RPM I'm just not seeing it.
@machintrucGaming
@machintrucGaming 2 года назад
It's 3000 rpm, not 300 I think
@Shubham.Sldasm
@Shubham.Sldasm 2 года назад
Yeah it is 3100 RPM
@DennisKwasnycia
@DennisKwasnycia 2 года назад
@@machintrucGaming My bad. Regardless of the RPM, 300 or 3000, it is a constant speed so is not relevant to my questioning the devices ability. 25KG per rotor; how well will the technology scale? If you enlarged the testbench to a size relevant to the 4 seater mentioned, does that power scale? Increased surface area to the rotor blades, but the rotor motors increase in weight as well. To get any sort of range you're likely looking at a 100kg battery, then add passengers, instruments, an interior and a fuselage. Those rotors stop turning and that thing will drop like a rock. Airplanes can glide down with a engine failure, helicopters as well. I would not want this flying over me.
@MikeOxlong-
@MikeOxlong- 2 года назад
@@DennisKwasnycia this entire ‘show’ is about as useful as... well... as nothing really. There’s nothing this can do that can’t already be done better, and by cheaper means utilizing less energy...
@mkzhero
@mkzhero 2 года назад
@@DennisKwasnycia no idea why they're doing it, its pretty trash and there's no room to improve either, and no, it doesn't scale, because beyond a certain size the axial forces will just tear this thing apart, the wear and tear on the wings rotation mechanism must be insane too, extra size, weight, complexity, less efficiency, and yet no real advantage aside maybe better maneuverability... Yeah, no way this is getting anywhere. The only possible use i see for this is if it lifts off, then stops spinning completely, and uses those wings as normal wings that straighten out, has a normal propeller up front, and flies like a normal airplane until it needs to land... Which is also pretty useless but hey, that will at least give it SOME range.
@gracecalis5421
@gracecalis5421 2 года назад
My biggest concern is redundancy. These things are built for compactness, so there's no way in hell it's going to glide in the event of an engine failure. How many engines can it run on safely and reliably? Planes can land with just one or sometimes even no engine pushing it.
@xTwisteDx
@xTwisteDx 2 года назад
It could handle one outage, but not more than one, with a 4 wing setup. But that isn't all that bad, consider that most helicopters have one point of flight as well, and any single failure means destruction of the craft.
@BigTJK
@BigTJK 2 года назад
​@@xTwisteDx Actually not true. With the correct angle of attack, the rotors will continue to turn and generate lift. It is a difficult manoeuvre but possible. Not possible with this craft though.
@Tombs42
@Tombs42 2 года назад
@@xTwisteDx Helos have auto gyros in case of engine failure.
@ruggero33
@ruggero33 Год назад
Helicopters glide like a Stone, but none refuse to fly with It.
@JosephMelia
@JosephMelia 2 года назад
To alleviate the forces on the wings, you could incorporate a lightweight system such as a titanium disc center wing to effectively halve the distortion forces on the wing. this would allow for greater rpms without worrying about excess distortion due to centrifugal force . Naturally such a disc would need to be engineered to be as light as possible and allow for the wing's full range of movement. So it would not be just one piece but a moving cradling system within the support. Alternatively, titanium rods joining the wings into opposing sets, at their midpoint through or around the axle would also lend strength to the wing. On a scaled up model, the weight of the thin titanium rods would have less impact on takeoff and inertia. But I suppose, seeing as the opposing wings need to be in the opposite position in terms of angle of attack, that would need to examined in terms of the nature of the rod and how it allows the wings to move independently whilst still offering enough structural support to justify it's existence. Also. it needs a delta wing on it, like a hang glider. And a jet for propulsion. Sorry for the TLDR nature of the post. Too much coffee. You can get back to your life now.
@zuludeltanovember
@zuludeltanovember 2 года назад
or just stick to regular fuel airplanes, why reinvent the wheel?
@Ubernaught012
@Ubernaught012 Год назад
@@zuludeltanovember I mean... Welcome to innovation? Not every venture is a winner, but with that mindset we'd still be in the stone ages
@zuludeltanovember
@zuludeltanovember Год назад
@@Ubernaught012 why reinvent the wheel
@Ubernaught012
@Ubernaught012 Год назад
@@zuludeltanovemberWhy? Maybe what you try to replace the wheel with replaces it in some niche areas, or allows for new things the wheel didn't do before.
@jasonthorpe3470
@jasonthorpe3470 2 года назад
My father in law was shot down in a helicopter 4 times in Vietnam and had power losses in several commercial helicopters afterwards, but landed in a reasonably safe manor each time thanks to the autorotation that helicopter pilots are able to do after loosing power. I certainly wouldn't want to be riding this when something goes wrong...
@iamthekwan
@iamthekwan 2 года назад
Since there's nothing on top of the vehicle, I think simple parachutes on top, and airbags below, would suffice in an emergency.
@hades4438
@hades4438 2 года назад
You father was ultra lucky. Helos are not so safe either. If something is falling, there is not much to do about it.
@jasonthorpe3470
@jasonthorpe3470 2 года назад
@@hades4438 I wouldn't say ultra lucky, but highly skilled. On one of the commercial helos that lost power, he was taking his parents for a ride, and had to ditch it in a farm outside LA. When they landed his dad asked"what are we doing here?" as though it was a planned stop to pick up the farmer, and not a terrifying fall from the sky. Being able to store momentum in the rotors and use it to execute a soft landing is skill and engineering, not ultra luck.
@hades4438
@hades4438 2 года назад
@@jasonthorpe3470 I am in military for 20 years and sadly, none of the helo failures could land safe. And those helos are mostly blackhawk models. I don't say, skills are useless of course. BUT I try to say, if you are in air and there is something seriously wrong, you got seconds to act and all safeties are not so safe enough yet. Even jet pilots you think they are safe as they can eject themselves mostly can't survive from this kind of situations. You know that even a slow car crash is harsh for human body even you got your belt, so a slow crash landing can easily destroy everything.
@joshhayl7459
@joshhayl7459 2 года назад
🔵 This thing is gonna need the BEEFIEST rotor-bearings that you've EVER seen!
@joshlewis5065
@joshlewis5065 2 года назад
Nor really, just a large diameter ball bearing or even a pair of tapered roller bearings under a little preload set up as a >--< configuration
@kingslime1935
@kingslime1935 2 года назад
🔴 Agreed
@ghoulbuster1
@ghoulbuster1 2 года назад
Strong balls
@NicleT
@NicleT 2 года назад
First time I see a concept that finally give me a real taste of flying cars (the cherish dream promised when we were kids). Good start!
@EldeNice
@EldeNice Год назад
It's sad that, all things considered, flying cars are a bad idea. Logistically speaking.
@egolli2158
@egolli2158 2 года назад
The betamax / hd-dvd of aircraft propulsion. Its 4x more complicated than a normal helicopter and requires dynamic adjustable pitch blades whereas drone style aircraft don’t.
@Kingtiger98
@Kingtiger98 2 года назад
Bu ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-L0HUlvg01XA.html
@dani777dani
@dani777dani 3 года назад
"I am limited by the technology of my time, but one day you’ll figure this out. And when you do, you will change the world." - Howard Stark, "Iron Man 2"
@tucsonmclean5138
@tucsonmclean5138 3 года назад
Gone...but not forgotten.
@baikia777
@baikia777 3 года назад
@@joemalfino9350 so? Those words are applicable to real world's technological development.
@tucsonmclean5138
@tucsonmclean5138 3 года назад
@@joemalfino9350 ... where's the sense of humor...
@pernskyw1289
@pernskyw1289 3 года назад
@@joemalfino9350 It still applies. Dick Tracy watch phone 1939. iwatch today, Star Trek communicator 1968, Cell phones today and it goes on and on. Nano tech tomorrow in every field of humanity.
@athalarahadiansyah6094
@athalarahadiansyah6094 2 года назад
@@tucsonmclean5138 Excuse me, but are you ok with almost everyone misinterpreted your comment? edit : I feel like these guys don't get what you mean.
@joelsterling3735
@joelsterling3735 2 года назад
Every quadcopter engineer is thinking, "well shoot, there goes the 8 years I spent developing this garbage."
@intothevoid2046
@intothevoid2046 2 года назад
Imagine the noise if everyone would travel that way. High volume noise is making people sick. I doubt this will ever be a widely accepted way to commute.
@kerbodynamicx472
@kerbodynamicx472 2 года назад
Noise and wind is the main argument against personal aircraft... If these were to be widely adopted, the mass usage of active noise-cancelling devices would be required to cancel out the noise.
@kerbodynamicx472
@kerbodynamicx472 2 года назад
@Booty Warrior I believe noise-cancelling devices would be a necessity on buildings in urban regions in the future... To cancel out all the noise from the personal aircraft flying around. Placing the device on the aircraft themselves will increase mass and power consumption, making them less efficient...
@ScarletFlames1
@ScarletFlames1 2 года назад
@@kerbodynamicx472 Noise cancelling is not something that is deployable in an area, it's a personal use device you shove into or over your ears (preferably both considering just how fucking LOUD those things are). And if you give me that bullshit argument of "maybe in the future they can create that kind of tech" then that means that right now it's not economical to develop personal flight vehicles as the tech required to make it bearable does not exist. Also how the hell can you trust everyone with FLYING VEHICLES INSIDE DENSE URBAN POPULATION when we still have morons driving their cars aggressively enough to crash or drunk enough to wobble on a road with a car that pulls the steering wheel into the center? Currently the only way personal flight can be acceptable would be if it's fully automated takeoff, flight and landing AND kept away from cities, which negates its entire purpose.
@animegirlslayerfurryslayer9808
@animegirlslayerfurryslayer9808 2 года назад
bzzzzzzzzzzzz
@joemalfino9350
@joemalfino9350 2 года назад
@@ScarletFlames1 So do you think flying cars are ultimately a pipe dream?
@speedkiller3026
@speedkiller3026 2 года назад
im really curious if its actually possible to make this thing relaible for more than one or two flights, i bet the stress on the materials must be insane
@aruhtaz
@aruhtaz 2 года назад
if youre referring to the torque stress on the materials as relative to a traditional prop design... idk i think the horizontal, flat surface area makes it handle it okay even when compared to a prop (since props extend into a single tip for every blade... in which the blades are in turn held by a single axis at the center... these airlift blades are positioned horizontally and held together by two points it seems?...) the # of blades in that cyclo arrangement also matters (perhaps creating interfering or constructive air vortexes.. and obv the material matters a lot as well... nice question all very exciting..
@davincicreativeprojects8853
@davincicreativeprojects8853 2 года назад
Using magnetic bearings will help a lot
@paraks4228
@paraks4228 2 года назад
@@davincicreativeprojects8853 yeah for real mate
@karlsjostedt8415
@karlsjostedt8415 2 года назад
@@aruhtaz the blades rotate around their own axis as well as around the main axis of each turbine. That is how you get lift though the blades go in ,any directions while it rotates... Seems like those mechanics would be hard to make last...
@ferrellsl
@ferrellsl 2 года назад
Yes, and when one of those rotors fails, there's no lift and no auto-gyro effect, which is why this thing will never be the future of eVTOL.
@lildeli3rddimention
@lildeli3rddimention 2 года назад
Can you use the rotors as wheels at low rpm's for surface transport ??
@theGreaterAwareness
@theGreaterAwareness 3 года назад
The cool thing is, that the same maths can be used to make a horizontal/vertical turbine more efficient at capturing wind.
@aliakram9947
@aliakram9947 3 года назад
I was also thinking same to keep same force in vertical blade but the structure of cycloroter will be changed
@TC-V8
@TC-V8 3 года назад
Maybe... This is interesting to evaluate said vertical axis wind turbine ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-6vb18oXPli4.html
@Dudeinatube
@Dudeinatube 2 года назад
SHEEESH 🥵🥵🔥
@electricburning
@electricburning 2 года назад
to me it looks like Voith- Schneider Propeller in air (also mentioned in the video)
@GreatBehoover
@GreatBehoover 2 года назад
They already are using it
@carsongodbold8736
@carsongodbold8736 3 года назад
They are better to just have them as stabilisers cyclone rotor motors its the best place for them is on ships in water. They use far to much energy and to complex for air craft when a simple trudishinal common propeller is more affectively popular.
@aliedfurdich
@aliedfurdich 3 года назад
It’s a different use case. A vehicle like this could fly into a garage on the side of a building. Helicopters have had decades of R&D, whereas we are looking at first iterations of this. With advances in battery tech and electric motors this is exciting.
@user-sg6zh6vr7h
@user-sg6zh6vr7h 3 года назад
@@aliedfurdich yeah but the main question is efficiency. Is this more efficient than regular design? I doubt it but we'll see where it ends up.
@aliedfurdich
@aliedfurdich 3 года назад
@@user-sg6zh6vr7h you mean regular drone design with 4 propellers? Yeah, thatt is almost certainly more efficient at this stage, especially is simply hovering. However, I think the faster forward motion you have the efficient it would become. Anyway I think it’s cool and look forward to seeing a person in the seat
@mikescudder4621
@mikescudder4621 3 года назад
"affectively popular"??? Its R&D mate.....
@thefoss721
@thefoss721 3 года назад
Anything new is always as least effective and efficient, but with everything, the growth will be significant after more mature use of these rotors and blades and cylinder like devices I think they are onto something awesome that won’t chop you in half if you get too close to the blade lol
@FlyLeah
@FlyLeah 2 года назад
Pilot student and this concept looked totally alien at first glance Really cool!!
@eVTOLinnovation
@eVTOLinnovation 2 года назад
The first Personal eVTOL Aircraft that you can actually Buy, Jetson ONE 👉 ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-J-oQemKDGfY.html
@alexjgilpin
@alexjgilpin 2 года назад
Given that this is significantly more complex of a device than a helicopter, I'd expect it to also cost more to produce and maintain. So, uh... why not just use a helicopter?
@jepulis6674
@jepulis6674 2 года назад
Helicopters are nothing but simple. Maybe cheap to operate if compared to a product like f-35 that is designed with the sole purpose of bleeding tax payer money into private sector.
@shadow435100
@shadow435100 2 года назад
@@jepulis6674 what... what... the F-35 cost a lot to develop all military vehicles do... also it's super successful in its role
@aldenroswell8504
@aldenroswell8504 2 года назад
Helicopters are much more complex. Look at how a swashplate works. And helicopters have a lot of asymetric nightmare.
@bionic1matt
@bionic1matt 2 года назад
This argument is dumb dude. Combustion engines are more expensive to make and maintain, so why not just use steam engines? You see the idiocy?
@MasterMayhem78
@MasterMayhem78 2 года назад
@@aldenroswell8504 The swashplate is an extremely simple device.
@cujbaion1
@cujbaion1 2 года назад
Can be used to steer the helicopter pulling it's tail up to accelerate without losing the lift trough decrease of the lift in the front part of the carrying propeller. Better vertical leverage
@t_c5266
@t_c5266 2 года назад
Ah yes. The classic "once we have technology of the future we can make this technology of the future viable." Because that always has success 🙄
@GamingWithNikolas
@GamingWithNikolas 2 года назад
Lol
@cbale2000
@cbale2000 3 года назад
5:00 - So, phrased another way: it's unstable, is inefficient during vertical flight, and is prone to catastrophic failures due to material limitations. IMO it sounds like you'd be much better off using ducted fans with thrust vectoring and more traditional construction methods.
@microwave311
@microwave311 3 года назад
Correct
@ChubyX
@ChubyX 3 года назад
The device is designed to generate lift and not thrust. I think I understand you point though. However; generating lift with rotational motion reduces overall weight of the vehicle because it is reducing the needed parts. The rotor itself carries the wings whilst being attached directly to the rotational axis which is usually the electric motor. Transmisions would alleviate efficiency with torque conversion.
@V100-e5q
@V100-e5q 3 года назад
@@ChubyX Isn't that the concept of a helicopter? A propeller delivers thrust during every phase of the whole rotation. These funny barrels only at the top resp. bottom of a rotation. And to the detriment of efficiency the not thrust producing phases have airflow resistence. So this is a bad concept from the start. The promotors are simply enamored with the compact looks. Space is not an issue for a plane but weight and efficiency is. What you can do by using lightweight and strong materials can in the same way applied to conventional propellers. And their efficiency being better then.
@GruntPanda11B
@GruntPanda11B 2 года назад
That’s not what I heard…..
@V100-e5q
@V100-e5q 2 года назад
@@jcd-k2s Just like every propeller there is power in and power out. And the rpm is reflecting that. So despite the not so efficient parts closer to the shaft the effective area (calculated by: pitch - area - distance to shaft - free airflow) is what one has to recon with. In other words: look at it as a black box. Then measure how much of the input is converted into thrust. Every part of a propeller blade is delivering its bit of thrust. All the time in a continuous manner. The resistance, drag, is also constant. That rotational drum kind of thingy has fluctuations. And needs for the same thrust (lift) more area for the blades. Because the limited time they contribute. So larger blades translate into increased and constant drag. And even if you design the mechanism so that the blade at the bottom delivers lift it does so at a disadvantageous state because it it is upside down. Built in inefficiencies!
@isaac198428
@isaac198428 2 года назад
A single rotor has a gazillion independently moving parts but powered by the same single motor. How do they account for a successful flight/landing with one tip/blade malfunction hence generating unwanted propulsion making it inefficient especially using battery power?
@TeensierPython
@TeensierPython 2 года назад
So what happens when you lose power? No gliding or auto rotating. Seems like the most complex solution to simple problems. Losing half of the lift ability during rotation of each “wing.” Only lift during top and bottom of rotation. Both sides of the rotation add drag but produce no lift.
@spiceweasle3945
@spiceweasle3945 2 года назад
Just have to keep a cartoon "Uh oh!!!!" sign close by.
@CarlosFandango73
@CarlosFandango73 3 года назад
I'm an aerospace design engineer of 30 years. My response to seeing this fly: "fuuuck, off!
@janusfire
@janusfire 3 года назад
It flew!!!
@humaniod-robotics
@humaniod-robotics 3 года назад
Old eggs like you keep killing innovations.
@johnlau8461
@johnlau8461 3 года назад
Unless you give a reason otherwise no one gives a shit
@animationspace8550
@animationspace8550 3 года назад
Could you elaborate to us low life non aerospace design engineers of 30 years?
@mw8653
@mw8653 3 года назад
I've never worked in aerospace design and that was my reaction too, this will never see the light of day as personal flying transport.
@aaronredbaron
@aaronredbaron 3 года назад
There used to be a fuel powered model using this concept in the AMA (academy of model aeronautics) museum in Muncie Indiana. It supposedly was built in the 1960s but there were no stability systems at the time to make it viable. It produced lift and flew on a tether.
@TheL046Kid
@TheL046Kid 3 года назад
Its precisely a Voith Schnieider propulsion unit for the air...Yes, really.....
@holgervogel3941
@holgervogel3941 3 года назад
Ich wollte es gerade schreiben...👍
@wilurbean
@wilurbean 3 года назад
Those ships with the vertical spinning masts? They're not super efficient
@daszieher
@daszieher 3 года назад
@@wilurbean no, Voith-Schneider is a water propulsion system that allows harbour tugs to vary their thrust vector in magnitude and orientation almost instantly, giving the craft exceptional mobility and versatility.
@spawnof200
@spawnof200 3 года назад
@@wilurbean no, thats magnusson effect.
@VenturiLife
@VenturiLife 3 года назад
@@wilurbean Yep not as efficient, but you get rid of a lot of the rigging etc. So there are some trade-offs.
@HawaiiLimey
@HawaiiLimey 2 года назад
Congratulations on getting the funding for development. Commiserations to the funders, I hope this basket doesn't hold all your eggs.
@hxhdfjifzirstc894
@hxhdfjifzirstc894 2 года назад
Yeah, this is a dumb scam.
@javierperez-xo8mr
@javierperez-xo8mr 2 года назад
If you add this to the ionic engine, you get Morfeus ship in Matrix
@onlyonewhyphy
@onlyonewhyphy 2 года назад
Lol "Morfeus"
@arcadealchemist
@arcadealchemist 2 года назад
Ion engins are the future just people ain't working out how to crack that system yet.
@Kingtiger98
@Kingtiger98 2 года назад
L0 ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-L0HUlvg01XA.html
@FearGod101
@FearGod101 2 года назад
Thanks for the idea
@Petri_Pennala
@Petri_Pennala 2 года назад
@@arcadealchemist Ion can't really work with gravity and air
@muthrfuqrjonz3530
@muthrfuqrjonz3530 2 года назад
I’ll stick with my 69 Caprice and old Gran Torino. You can have this shit !!!
@someotherdude
@someotherdude 2 года назад
@Carl Klinkenborg simple air cooled lightweight motor that can be removed in 30 minutes. I love the simplicity of it. They could have should have put the motor in front though, more cooling and easier linkages to the driver. Run it on natural gas, a cheap abundant relatively clean fuel that does not need a fuel pump nor a complex carb.
@sammyspaniel6054
@sammyspaniel6054 2 года назад
I thought the ending was interesting with Russian soldiers flying a six seater through bombed out buildings. When was this video uploaded again?
@philburch1970
@philburch1970 2 года назад
Unless you show a favorable comparison in range/payload capacity than a similar airframe using ducted fans, absolutely NOBODY will use these (other than a government, they like to waste money).
@sheilaolfieway1885
@sheilaolfieway1885 2 года назад
The speed is rather laughable as well. what can this thing do that a V-22 OSpreay or a harrier jump jet or an F-35 can't?
@SopwithTheCamel
@SopwithTheCamel 3 года назад
And when a canadian goose goes through one of the rotors at 60 feet? You fall, unrestrained, to the ground. Until a low level save system is developed none of these schemes are viable.
@GENcELL2014
@GENcELL2014 2 года назад
Small planes can have safety parachutes, they even launch the parachute with a small rocket and body panels that are designed to be broken away by the rocket. It isn't that difficult to build a safety system that let's it fall slowly to the ground. I bet it could have software that allows 2 or 3 of the cyclorotors to keep it in a controlled decent.
@jurajvariny6034
@jurajvariny6034 2 года назад
Perhaps it can be designed with redundancy - able to emergency land with 3 working rotors. With conventional quadcopter this is too hard to manage angular momentum of 3 remaining propellers. Here the momentum won't tend to rotate whole craft so much, it should remain steerable. Maybe even only with two remaining rotors diagonally! Guess that's one of the reasons why Russian army is interested.
@steviewonder7495
@steviewonder7495 2 года назад
A simple cage around the rotors like an air boat too complicated for you.
@joeleyendecker5346
@joeleyendecker5346 2 года назад
That was my First Thought Exactly! But I think a Damn Hummingbird could do the Same amount of Damage as a Duck, an Eagle or a Condor at the Rate those Blades are Spinning. Even at an RPM of Idle Speed, It's even Possible that a Large Insect could cause a "Terminal Failure" if it were to just make an Ever so Slight Contact with one of those Blades just Right. At the Speed they're Rotating, I'm sure they'd Disintegrate. Then Where's the Backup? The Redundancy? Do the Other 3 keep it Aloft? I don't think So. It takes all 4, to work. So there is no Backup. What are we left with? It's going "Down"-Town Leroy Brown in a Hurry...lol . Seemingly It can't fly without all 4 Blades Spinning a pretty Hefty RPM. So the others Become Weapons of Mass Destruction to Anyone Trying to Bail from the Craft before it hits the Ground in an Emergency. They are just waiting to "Suck you In". Not to mention, What Happens to the Blades when they Start Coming Apart? Do they Breach the Cockpit? At that Speed? I Shudder to Think. Heck, They Probably Act like a Giant Food Processor. Scary thought huh? You wouldn't catch me riding in it. As a matter of fact, I wouldn't want to be "Anywhere Near It..." I'm all about Innovation but That thing just Looks like an Accident Waiting to Happen.... When a Contraption such as this Depends on so much Precise Movements "Everything" working to perfection, if Anything Upsets those "Precise Movements", with NO "Backup Plan" means things can only come to a Castastrophic End.
@AtomixIGN
@AtomixIGN 2 года назад
Killing all the non-migratory Canadian geese in America is a better option
@mr702s
@mr702s 2 года назад
More points which could cause immediate failure at altitude. Not something desire-able in something that can end your life. But cool idea if for non-living transport.
@stephenpreuss4400
@stephenpreuss4400 3 года назад
28 kg of thrust isn't very much. You need enough for up mobility, plus direction, and some left over for a rainy day.
@hxhdfjifzirstc894
@hxhdfjifzirstc894 2 года назад
Rain. Good point.
@chrisbroemel5508
@chrisbroemel5508 2 года назад
This is the perfect form factor to create something that looks like a Bladerunner spinner.
@Freedom2x462
@Freedom2x462 2 года назад
Bladerunner car! make it available for public, so that they could write the traffic rules for flying these!
@piccalillipit9211
@piccalillipit9211 3 года назад
*DESIGN BRIEF* "Right guys I want you to pack as many single points of failure = death into one vehicle as possible - guarantee ZERO redundancy - OK...!!! "I wat a vehicle as complicated as possible and if a single drive belt slips a single tooth - the driver dies - got it??? And add LOTS of drive belts"
@ferosofranek8817
@ferosofranek8817 3 года назад
it is prototype - belts aren't necessary in final product (even motors driving those belts looks like Dynamixel servos used in RC planes and hobby robotics) if this machine looks complicated and fragile to you, I think you didn't saw, for example internal combustion engine: "Sooo, listen to me, I want engine with max. 20% efficiency, with LOTS of moving parts, requiring constant lubrication and cooling. There will be cylinders and pistons which must withstand high temperatures, pressures and acceleration forces, massive crankshaft to transfer linear movement to rotation, many engine valves and injectors regulating fuel mixture and also exhaust. There must be also many pumps - for fuel, lubrication, water... and ALL of them, also these valves I mentioned before, will be powered through DRIVE BELTS... it will be perfect!!! 😀
@redlobster4841
@redlobster4841 3 года назад
Lol..
@piccalillipit9211
@piccalillipit9211 3 года назад
@@ferosofranek8817 Yeah you are not familiar with "potentially fatal single point of failure" are you?
@ferosofranek8817
@ferosofranek8817 3 года назад
@@piccalillipit9211 not really my domain (I'm not designing that kind of equipment) - I must google for it 😀 But single point of failure is problem only if you can't guarantee reliability. I think critical components must be extremely reliable (very simple, oversized or limited lifetime), because not everything can be made with redundancy - it will be very complex/heavy or very expensive. Redundancy is typical for electronics and software design, but not for mechanical design. Personally, I wouldn't ride on that thing, or any other multicopter design - not because it is risky, but because consequences are always fatal if something goes wrong (no matter what you do). btw why are you against drive belts? Why should drive belt slip be the cause of driver death? Also when kept in right tension and not overloaded, it never slip.
@erwinritter4067
@erwinritter4067 3 года назад
It also can not yaw.
@Cloxxki
@Cloxxki 3 года назад
With flex at high rpm an issue, they might look to cross-country ski design. These are pre-bent to end up perfectly flat with the snow on load. With advanced modelling, they should be able to create blades that work well enough at low rpm but achieve peak efficiency at cruise speeds. The way these rotors stick out and are plain cylindrical in shape offers hope of advancements in left and drag. But can't we achieve ultra-controlled flight with static ducts and flats, fed by a central counter-rotating prop?
@JudeSchauer
@JudeSchauer 3 года назад
That's exactly what I'm doing with the cyclocopter that I'm designing. Great minds think alike... :D
@seanregehr4921
@seanregehr4921 3 года назад
Not even worth the effort. This thing is fugly beyond reason and has so many flaws. There are much better designs all around. Where it might have some legitimacy is with hybrid amphibious vehicles or in water or under-water propulsion. Think of a submarine like vehicle that could also fly to avoid large waves and rough seas, etc.
@Ttox73
@Ttox73 3 года назад
@Screwdriver440 And independent blade pitch control is exactly what seems to be done on the actual prototype filmed in this video. Check around 3:35
@michaelshultz2540
@michaelshultz2540 2 года назад
Not to mention what an energy hog! Just cause it looks cool and it can be done, doesn't mean it should! As for a cool toy now thats a different story. And it's still ugly!!!
@myparceltape1169
@myparceltape1169 2 года назад
The view of the boat with underwater vertical propeller blades reminds me of man explaining that he would have to design a stronger arrangement. This was in the 1990's or earlier. The boat was being built to be able to push a ship when they were side to side and any other position. It could also tow, of course. The draught of the ship it was working with allowed space for the vertical blades. The test had involved a pull on a peirside bollard. However, the blades had been found to have bent a little afterwards.
@Ефимыч-с6ю
@Ефимыч-с6ю 2 года назад
Почему при слове "русские" у вас сразу военная картинка??? Почему вы из нас каких-то злодеев делаете??? Не верьте своим СМИ - мы абсолютно обычные люди, такие же как и вы...
@eaaeeeea
@eaaeeeea 2 года назад
To me more surfaces with metal to metal friction screams inefficiency. First you have the main rotating axis and then you have the rotating contact points at the end of each blade.
@spacecowboy07723
@spacecowboy07723 2 года назад
Engine oil buddy
@MYOB990
@MYOB990 3 года назад
Also known as Air Raid Sirens
@redlobster4841
@redlobster4841 3 года назад
Lol
@TheKevinGeee
@TheKevinGeee 2 года назад
I like this much better than those murdering machines that are basically large-sized drones.
@gabriellandau7688
@gabriellandau7688 3 года назад
How efficient is this compared to traditional designs?
@cedriceric9730
@cedriceric9730 3 года назад
Vertically it's more efficient than anyother
@mikebrown9605
@mikebrown9605 3 года назад
One potential problem not mentioned yet is what happens in the event of an engine failure? Fixed wing air vehicles can glide to some degree and helicopters can autogyrate, what would be the recovery technique with this system ?
@thutanaing5532
@thutanaing5532 3 года назад
I assume this could auto gyrate to some extent but maybe parachutes to assist?
@joeljelliff2901
@joeljelliff2901 3 года назад
Parachute and ejection. Backup power and motor. Electric motors are nearly 100 percent reliable, unlike liquid fuel engines. Safety is not biggest hurdle. I think its flight controls and stabilization, I have an idea for that.
@daszieher
@daszieher 3 года назад
Rocket extended parachute. The engine only reloads the battery, so a failure is not critical.
@lionardo
@lionardo 2 года назад
bla bla Russia... Russia can't even win a war and you expect them to build this?
@mazdamaniac4643
@mazdamaniac4643 2 года назад
I kind of like the concept and the amount of thought that's gone into this. One thing I do find alarming is the exposed toothed belts that actuate the blade pitch, is there any ideas on doing away with those and operate the motors directly on the pulley, or even a manual backup system in case the electric actuator motors fail? I don't really like the idea of a belt failing in mid air, or simply jumping a tooth, either of which would send this barrel rolling into the ground within seconds.
@TimToussaint
@TimToussaint 2 года назад
I think it is a prototype, not?
@mazdamaniac4643
@mazdamaniac4643 2 года назад
@@TimToussaint Yeah as far as I can gather mate, it's a fairly early prototype. Thinking on, I suppose there's pro's and con's to each in the gears vs drive belt debate. Gears might get jammed up from any sort of debris that might happen to find it's way in between the teeth, while belts are far more tolerant of that. On the flip side, gears will need lubrication that belts can do without. For peace of mind, I suppose it's possible to do a manual override with steel cables and bellcranks moving the vector control eccentric's directly, or even ball-jointed rods to a control stick in case of a control system malfunction. Could even be the same control stick that's normally used for flight input for instant response, the electrics just providing power assist in this case. Relying on the electric motors to actuate it all seems a bit dangerous in my opinion.
@jsmariani4180
@jsmariani4180 3 года назад
What happens if one of those rotor sets fails?
@julianday
@julianday 3 года назад
If somebody films it failing you end up on RU-vid.
@p_fiction
@p_fiction 2 года назад
Might as well fit 4 articulable squirrel cage blowers on the corners of the craft 🤣
@BigMax-
@BigMax- 2 года назад
I always burn so much with these people who talk about the ineffectiveness of technology about a large number of moving parts and the senselessness of new technologies since there are proven old ones. YES THIS IS A PROTOTYPE YES AT THE MOMENT IT IS NOT SO EFFECTIVE. But if we would have always listened to such people, then we would have used the digging stick unit and the spear technology.
@cooperfeld
@cooperfeld 2 года назад
Even if the shown rotors might be like inefficient variants of a regular propellers - I find it impressive just to see the underlying effect being employed to lift an aircraft. The greatest value of inventions realized in amazing machines like these, is Inspiration - keeping our fascination helps us finding new and original ideas for the future.
@prophydro5558
@prophydro5558 2 года назад
First of alls WOAH, second of alls, that makes no sense to how that works, and third of alls, I FEEL HONORED TO SEE THE FUTURE OF TECHNOLOGY!!!
@jpsalis
@jpsalis 2 года назад
The passive pitch adjustment reminds me of a helicopter. Of course it comes with a great deal of extra complexity over a multi rotor but has some advantages over the design of course, most notably greater control over the thrust vectoring.
@yoteslaya7296
@yoteslaya7296 2 года назад
i envy the younger generations. Your lives will be so easy you wont even have to drive a car just get in and tell it where to go. Hell, you wont even need cars you'll just fly everywhere through A.I.
@nerdy1701
@nerdy1701 2 года назад
Yeah or we will all bomb each other to death. Either one.
@Bigfoot_With_Internet_Access
It seems like it might not need as wide open of a space to safely takeoff/land as a normal helicopter does which could definitely be useful for certain situations where you need to be able to take off and land from relatively small areas. Aside from that one situation, I don't see how this could possibly be better than a normal helicopter. I guess maybe it could be good for like taking off from and landing on boats/oil rigs or something Idk
@pstrap1311
@pstrap1311 2 года назад
When used for marine propulsion they call this type of drive a Voith Schneider propeller. In that application they are oriented with a vertical axis and can be controlled to generate thrust in any direction orthogonal to its axis.
@shingnosis
@shingnosis 2 года назад
Indeed. VSP offers excellent maneuverability since full engine power can be given to any 360 degree direction almost instantly, but they are much more complicated, more expensive, more difficult to maintain and less efficient at full speed ahead speed than a well designed traditional propeller. They are typically used for stand-by vessels, mine-clearing vessels, wind-farm vessels, big tug boats and the like. I can't however imagine they'd be a very good solution for a flying car compared to traditional props, there's a lot of blade and edge area relative to lift produced.
@MadOgre
@MadOgre 2 года назад
A good option for bow thrusters.
@01sidiropoulos
@01sidiropoulos 3 года назад
Excellent tech!! I can wait to see more from this project!! ❤️ It🇬🇷
@homuchoghoma6789
@homuchoghoma6789 3 года назад
60 кг и поднимает 20 кг. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-lXJ1OTp37Xg.html
@Baleur
@Baleur 2 года назад
First 5 seconds, no it wont be the next "gone viral" personal transport. Why? Because as long as ALL of these propeller vtol systems create SO MUCH NOISE, that you have to artificially mute the video (or put volume at 5% in post-processing before publishing to youtube), it will never, ever, be used in any large extent in urban cities or suburban neighbourhoods. If you kept the full true volume of this thing throughout the entire video, people wouldnt wanna keep watching the video. That is the #1 problem of all of these vtol personal transport innovations. No city on earth, and no house owner in any subrurb, will ever accept a new daily life of having dozens of these things buzzing in the air multiplying the noise. Let alone in a city that actually NEEDS personal vtol transportation to solve the traffic issues. No person in any major city would be able to stand hearing THOUSANDS of these things buzzing around at all hours of the day and night, echoing through the streets and between the skyscrapers. If we cant solve the sound issue, it wont ever "take off". 2:00 i wonder why its muted? Because otherwise we wouldnt be able to hear him speak. We're not talking about jet aircraft replacements here, we're talking about replacing bicycles, cars, mopeds. These things are 20x louder than any of those.
@slapmegaming3280
@slapmegaming3280 2 года назад
Thinking outside the box can lead to advancements in technology, but I just can't see how cyclocopters or its successors will be more viable than quadcopters or vtol. With all the moving parts and how complex it is, it wouldn't exactly be cheap, nor would it be easy to repair. To top it off it looks like it would consume more energy than Vtol/quadcopters.
@GhostOdyssey
@GhostOdyssey 2 года назад
Aye, also, the more complex the mechanism, the more prone to failure it is. Murphy's Law comes to mind, and I wouldn't want to be in one of these if it does have Airframe parachute technology.
@slapmegaming3280
@slapmegaming3280 2 года назад
@@GhostOdyssey Good point! What can go wrong will go wrong. I could see this being a fun RC but aside from that, I don't see it being viable.
@harryharrison185
@harryharrison185 2 года назад
Теперь oppressor mk2 из Gta5 стал реальностью.
@stefanschnabel2769
@stefanschnabel2769 2 года назад
"In hover, the blades are actuated to a positive pitch on the upper half of their revolution and a negative pitch over the lower half." Evidently not. It's the whole point of this concept that they can be positive top and bottom at the same time.
@lu881
@lu881 2 года назад
This is basically a vertical turbine placed horizontally. I've never thought of doing that.
@stevemickler452
@stevemickler452 3 года назад
Thanks for covering this but I remain very skeptical. Variable pitch props can respond without changing engine speed as well and are a well developed and much less massive tech. I think the folks at Lilium have the magic even tho they use engine speed for control.
@DoremiFasolatido1979
@DoremiFasolatido1979 2 года назад
But no matter what they do, it'll never be this compact. I imagine both types, if they actually prove viable at all (which is what I'm skeptical about), will be used for different purposes.
@mapmakerger3118
@mapmakerger3118 2 года назад
@@DoremiFasolatido1979 yes but the traditional helicopter design is much more save because it will still be avle to land even if the engine fails...
@SeanMirrsen
@SeanMirrsen 2 года назад
@@mapmakerger3118 And the cyclorotors have a lot of other advantages, they can react much faster to loss of one of the rotors, can actually maintain flight and control with only two intact rotors (except if they're both on the left or right side I suppose), and are compact enough to just use a normal parachute as a backup safety device.
@toddmorgan2844
@toddmorgan2844 2 года назад
Not so much. Cintrafugal flight isn't new or efficient. Just wait till you see what I'm developing. No more drones, no more flying machines. What I'm developing will make them all obsolete and useless. Imagine a world without the threat of any type of ariel combat.
@monsterno.definablenever.3484
@monsterno.definablenever.3484 2 года назад
It'd have to have some increased driver's liscence protocall, more similar to pilot's liscence than driver's, and we'd have to set up a network of virtual skylanes in cities, capable of networking with a H.U.D. on all windshields, for these types of craft to be utilised in day-to-day use.
@DrLoverLover
@DrLoverLover 2 года назад
Or spellcheck
@vincebenego8548
@vincebenego8548 2 года назад
I can't say for sure that this is a good idea or better. You have to go over everything one by one. It seems like it's good to explore everything it brings to the table, but I wouldn't jolt to any conclusion this early on that it's some sort of revolutionary prototype that's the new king of all flight standards etcetera.
@vineethsai1575
@vineethsai1575 2 года назад
Can it flip and become a car? It'll be cool if it did though. Otherwise it's just not efficient enough to compete with Quadcopters
@outbackev-hunter6035
@outbackev-hunter6035 3 года назад
What's efficiency like?
@GameBangStudios
@GameBangStudios 3 года назад
@Herbert Fuchs what design is that ?
@GameBangStudios
@GameBangStudios 2 года назад
@Herbert Fuchs what’s it called?
@chrissolo5937
@chrissolo5937 2 года назад
@Herbert Fuchs you could capitalize on the idea if you really know something like that. Make a youtube video and show the world. I found nothing when I searched for ”spin blade rotor”
@chrissolo5937
@chrissolo5937 2 года назад
@Herbert Fuchs nice that your keeping your better creation a secret
@СашаГогель
@СашаГогель 3 года назад
Очень низкое КПД такого движителя + сложность автомата перекоса лопастей как у вертолёта. Умножаем на 4 ( в 4 раза снижается надежность ) Подойдёт для подводных аппаратов или для планет с очень плотной атмосферой. А так, за идею 4 .
@HangTimeDeluxe
@HangTimeDeluxe 2 года назад
Решающими факторами являются согласованность, сложность, вес, надежность и эффективность. Я серьезно сомневаюсь, что это когда-нибудь станет коммерчески жизнеспособным видом авиаперевозок.
@acf2802
@acf2802 2 года назад
You don't do a good job of trying to sell this thing on why it is superior. Compactness? Please. This things is Xbox huge compared to a quadcopter. Exceptional maneuverability? I've seen a quadcopter play ping-pong before. You should probably have said something like "this would allow level flight unlike a quadcopter which would be more comfortable for passengers in an air taxi scenario" or something to that effect.
@4txx
@4txx 3 года назад
Seems like friction would be a major issue if blades need to reposition in each revolution
@kene6838
@kene6838 3 года назад
I’m sure there are bearings in the design, not just parts rubbing together
@bruceccorwin
@bruceccorwin 3 года назад
Agree. It does seem like an awful lot of moving parts. With each blade pivoting with every rotation, there must be lots of mechanical stress and friction. Each pivot point is something that needs to be lubricated, maintained and is a potential failure point.
@FixedWing82
@FixedWing82 3 года назад
Helicopters do it just fine
@bruceccorwin
@bruceccorwin 2 года назад
@@FixedWing82 Helicopter blades don't pivot with every rotation.
@haruruben
@haruruben 2 года назад
That’s a hop skip and a jump away from the iconic BladeRunner flying police car
@boo-misc4973
@boo-misc4973 2 года назад
Watching this now in October 2022... Russia is currently busy shooting themselves into the foot and crawling back to the stone age. In addition has the whole world figured out by now that they technical expertise is more talk then walk. Armata T14 still nowhere to be found. So no... I don't see this happening that they have this fly in 2022. But still an interesting concept.
@ALOW1
@ALOW1 3 года назад
I was building models that looked almost exactly the same as this in the mid 90's. Crazy to see someone else building them.
@homuchoghoma6789
@homuchoghoma6789 3 года назад
60 кг. Поднимает 20 кг. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-lXJ1OTp37Xg.html
@ALOW1
@ALOW1 3 года назад
@@homuchoghoma6789 Yes. similar to those but mine never flew as stable. Super neat 👍
@angryherbalgerbil
@angryherbalgerbil 2 года назад
Seems more like trying to reinvent the wheel and the wing at the same time. Less efficiency than gliding, and lower manuevring capability than a quad copter drone... Seems like a waste of time trying to solve a problem that's already been solved. It's cool to see alternatives and engineering approaches that are different and can still work to a degree... But would you choose a penny farthing over a standard bicycle for any other reason than novelty? Sure it works, but you're not making your morning commute on it.
@microchannel377
@microchannel377 2 года назад
interesting. seems very complicated though, and might be much bigger risk of failure and disaster. all those shifting blades with pivot pins. But obviously the engineers have good reason to pursue it. in flight stability against wind gust changes, maneuverability, efficiency etc. 😎
@jeffw8218
@jeffw8218 2 года назад
It’s an interesting concept but I don’t think it will be commercially viable for a while. This company should focus on small scale toys, like drone-size, to prove the concept first.
@sanpol4399
@sanpol4399 2 года назад
Just add some propellers or ducted fans and it is done.
@terryglenweaver
@terryglenweaver 2 года назад
Stability should be the primary current focus. Gyroscopic abilities in stability has not yet been given the attention is so deserves. In fact it is decades behind its importance. With todays technology in light weight materials gyro tech needs incorporation to bring safety to a new level beyond current conceptual ideas.
@m.a.8425
@m.a.8425 2 года назад
Need drones like this. Design a military helicopter/ hover craft/ drone to meet the needs of the future army missions. Lift upto 20k carry 2 squads in full gear.
@cageybee7221
@cageybee7221 2 года назад
i love how of all the people involved in this the russian company are the ones to think "hey maybe we should put a screen around these spinning blades to keep random shit out of them" if you are being out-safetied by russians, you have a problem.
@Jayson_Tatum
@Jayson_Tatum 2 года назад
The problem I see instantly is vortices created don't seem to be as stable as traditional air displacement propulsion. Basically comparing it to an X axis rotation of a quad drone or helicopter, it isn't as efficient or nearly as stable. And doesn't seem scalable.
@karl7567
@karl7567 2 года назад
Too loud, too inefficient, too much vibration. Could possibly have some weird niche applications maybe.
@ConsecDesign
@ConsecDesign 2 года назад
"...the propulsion system that could power your daily commute". HAHAHAHAHAHA. no. I wish them all the luck in the world, but... c'mon bruh
@dbfcrell8300
@dbfcrell8300 2 года назад
I personally believe the blades should be razors and you should chase down people that disagree with you. Just sayin'.
@lSeKToRl
@lSeKToRl 2 года назад
Putin is so forward thinking. He even made this advert with footage of Ukraine 4 months before it happened @ 5:51.
@murataydos8246
@murataydos8246 2 года назад
the first vehicle of the video is super. the helicopter system of the future, but close the propeller half to the ground and the fuselage and compress the air, it will be more effective to put the propeller that sucks from the outside, a support from me to you. have a nice day.
@rendtech
@rendtech 2 года назад
Also if one of the rotors gives out, the other three will not be able to make up the lift or the thrust. This has been tries many times in the past and attempted numerous times in the hobby market. The physics around this are not there atm for save reliable flight.
@persnicketyVC
@persnicketyVC 2 года назад
With much skepticism, with it being too-complex and whatnot, I'm still curious and supportive of the idea. It works for now and I hope it may in the future!
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