When I talk about having 2 rounds that shot low there were actually 3. In that third group the low "hole" actually had 2 bullets go through that hole. I didn't see it until I edited the video. As always I appreciate you guys watching!
I noticed when it shot hole on hole the velocity was the same. That's why I like airguns more more control of the projectile speed but anyways that is some dam good shooting 👍
As a scientist, I can appreciate how you keep control of your variables and approach your tests logically. Not too many content creators are as fastidious as you are. Nice work!
Hi mate, thanks for your video's. Just a tip when shooting groups, load up a magazine and keep your cheak on the stock and just cycle the bolt. Or even better. Test it!
as a non scientist I cannot really agree so far. 1st: even done "same day" means not much cause in the 2nd raw (where scientists normally start in ) the day is changing it variables literally "live": temperature, light intensitiy, humanity, windspeed. 2nd When he started shooting the barrel was cold, allready the 2nd shot had another air/gas ammount than the first, the barrel gets warmer after each shot, when he stops shooting it cools only from the outside, which changes the barrel atanomy again( to be exact its bending because where the wooden stock coveres the barrel the temperature stays higher, meaning the barrel bends upwards. 3rd after each shot the remaining lead creates another frictionfactor, but while the same time the inner barrel diameter is changing due each shots temperature while changing windspeed and moisture is cooling down the barrel at differnt parts in different areas of the barrel. Still to consider is that the hotter the barrel gets the less pressure is needed to speed up the bullet because the lead on the barrel will loose friction with raising temperature (closes circle to Point 2). 4th Precision of the ammo can may vary strongly within the same package because lack of precission scales of powderammount. Even if the gun itself would magically have allways the same condition-the bullet will face different types of airturbulenced caused by many other factors. I mean its okay, the gun shoots great with even with bullshit ammo. But as a non scientist, I think u have overlooked some...scientific points.
I agree. They say the CZs are too expensive but when you show one on a video they immediately compare it's performance to a rifle that costs twice as much. I think they are a good value.
@@buffalosoutdoors I have a CZ 452 trainer that does well with the SK Standard too. I bought it many years ago for $210. It replaced a Winchester 69A that I foolishly sold.
Yep a 750.00 dollar cz shoots great and a whole lot more fun to shoot than a 4000.00 dollar top of the line gun with all that furniture hanging off it. Just IMHO
Please don't make apologies for showing your .22 lr rifles, we love these tests, the more the merrier, thanks Sir, this is a great help for people choosing their ammo!
Still going back to this video, absolute Gospel for shooters of 22lr, thanks Buffalo Outdoors awesome work so well done, still haven’t seen anything that compares!
Buffalo!!!!! How has it taken me this long to find a fellow Kentuckian on RU-vid making great videos. We need to go shoot. I got some old 22s that shoot awesome and they ain’t target models. Remington 541s custom sporter. Absolutely knock out shooter. I know you said the MTR had a tight chamber tolerance but you got to give the Federal champion 510 a shot. It has out performed anything I ever shot through my 541. Trust me. Great to see a good dude in a great state doing awesome videos. Thanks
So glad you enjoy this stuff. It is a lot of work but I need to know and since I am going to be doing it anyway I might as well make my efforts available for you guys!
It always makes my day when the notification pops up, telling me you've uploaded a new video. Some truly great shooting as always, my friend. Keep em coming!!
I used to enjoy getting a new gun and testing different ammunition hadn’t done it in years there is a peace of mind knowing the gun and ammo are good and you can make a good shot when it counts 👍
Buffalo's Outdoors your in Kentucky my parents are from there , lived there till 70 learn to shot on my dad’s farm with a Stevens Marksman 22 they stop making them in 1910 we still have it still shots . You take care stay safe.
I have a Browning t-bolt target/varmint with a Leopold VX FREEDOM 2-7-33. I use this exact ammo. It loves it. I can consistently shoot the bulls eye and put every single round in THE SAME HOLE!! You can hardly see the new hole. I've had all kinds of. 22's in my lifetime (I'm 53) and I've shot countless rounds of. 22 bullets by different manufacturers and I can honestly say that the combination I have is the most accurate I have ever had or seen.
Man Buffalo yr videos are GREAT !! thank you. I love my little 455 Trainer, would love to get a Varmint. these ammo demos are awesome. Love the production value ( inserts chrono & target ) Keep up the good work, Im a subscriber 👍👍
SK Standard Plus tested out of my rifle really well. The Midas + is the only one I have tested to produce better results. SK is a third the price so that’s what I am running. Nice video glad to see your rifle likes the SK
Have been watching all your videos, some more than once. Three reasons: first one because I have a CZ457 American and needed to decide if upgrading to MTR could make a difference. Secondly, making a decision on the best ammo for my rifle, and finely because in my opinion you did it the best. Great presentation, technical set up, consistency and effectiveness. Now for the results, your findings are spot on, SK+ works best for me no questions asked. Also I was pleased to find out that my CZ performs great so no point in wasting money ( by the way turns out I am using the same Sightron 36 power like you). Finally, a big thank you, your hard work helped me big time.
I too have a cz 457 American. I epoxy bedded the action. That helped a bit. Then I put 2 pieces (one on top of other) bicycle tire inner tube pinched between stock and barrel. Right out on top of stock. Test different places with your ammo. SK standard plus consistently gives me 1/2” 5 shot groups at 50 yds. You must lot test too. I’ve had great lots of standard plus beat bad lots of center-x.
@@juliusjames5577 Thanks for the tip. Interesting about the rubber under the barrel, never heard this before, is this supposed to dampen vibrations? Only thing I changed in mine is a YODAVE trigger spring thus setting the trigger to about 0.5 pound. Made for a significant improvement. At this stage I am the weakest link and it will take some work before the rifle reaches its limits. On a calm day I do under 0.5" at 50 yards but I get fliers much to often. Also found out that Norma Match works as good as SK, just in case I can't get it.
Dude my MTR loves this stuff and your groups will tighten up. I have shot small bore for years and have learned you never clean the bore until your accuracy starts to diminish. Changing ammo is as simple as 5 to 10 fouling shots in between brands without cleaning and 3 shots cold bore with same ammo. Nice vid as always.
Another great video. I really like the camera setup with the shots, chrono and you all in the frame. Love that rifle too. Keep up the good content. Watching you do this has me wanting to do the same with my .22. Just have to find ammo.
I'm new to shooting so I tried 4 Eley and 4 SK .22s and when all done I also found the SK Standard to be the best but it was very very close. I have a Bergara B14r Trainer in a Candex Tundra stick with a carbon barrel shot @ 50 yrds.
Dang Buffalo that CZ is smoking hot. This group to me kinda proves what Paul Barrel says about ammo that states in better or superior in some ways. The lowest cost ammo so far is the best no doubt. And these videos are fun to watch. It's great to see a good rifle in a good shooters hands. Take care buddy👍👍
Scott I always appreciate ya buddy. After I get done with this ammo test (it may be spring before I am done) I would be glad to ship the old girl out to you and let you try keep her for a while and try her out.
Gday from Australia. I too found this ammo to be very good - and better than the more expensive stuff. I did a similar test with my old mossberg 46b(a) running a 3-9 nikon scope and it averaged .55 at 50 metres (about 55 yards). Best group 0.31 and worst 0.61. Thanks for the great videos.
Please keep doing these tests with the 457. I just bought one and a 416 20 moa rail. Had yodave trigger work done. Now saving for a quality scope. These videos are going to give me ideas on which ammo to try in mine
Awesome! Glad to do them. I am going to put the Yodave trigger spring in this one once I complete these tests and prepare for the final shoot off between the best 3 ammos. I don't want to make any changes until then because I don't want to effect the test results.
I picked up some BBM .22lr last year that was on sale for $3 for a box of 50. It's made in Germany for BBM and has 40 grain lead round nose projectile with a light wax coating. I bought several boxes and went through just about all of it in 2 outings because they were so much fun to shoot. I have a Ruger 10-22 receiver, bolt with Volquartsen internals and BX trigger in a Ruger SR-22 aluminum chassis with a free floated 18" M4 profile barrel from Brownell's and its finished off with a Magpul bipod and Vortex 4-12 Diamondback scope. The rifle has become one of my favorites because it is a joy to shoot and extremely accurate. With the BBM ammo it gets even better. At 75 meters it will make 1 ragged hole and fliers are rare. If you can find it give it try.
Been taking my 10-22 through its paces and especially since I put in a Magpul Hunter stock, and so far THIS is the BEST ammo I've tried. I tried almost every kind of CCI's there is and while some are good, none come close to the groups I got with the SK Standard Plus. It even been the SK Biathlon, beat the Norma, C&B, Club Match, beat some Eley. The only brand so far that came close was Aguila. That shot almost as good but at a fraction of the price of the SK, when bought in bulk (though the Aguila has a very unique powder smell...). I'm going to try some more different kinds, but I have to say even with a Ruger factory barrel, it show 1 MOA groups all day at 50 yards. Highly recommend this stuff!
Holy Moley! That's some sweet shooting ammo in that rifle! Re; Your Chrono. I use a Pact Model 1. On overcast days I do not use the shields. I use only the supports as an aiming guide. The shields are designed to give a consistent background for the "eye" to see the bullet. Sometimes a bright blue sky and sunshine can mess up the results. When you already have an overcast sky, adding the screens is not necessary and, in my experience, doing so increased "error" readings. Maybe too much of a good thing? Your chrono is different so maybe not. Just sayin' Thanks for the continuing series on this rifle. My wife has been very pleased with hers. She has the "At-One" stock on hers and a 24" barrel. I took the Weaver 2-7x scope off her older rifle and mounted it on the CZ and her shooting has improved greatly (can't credit a new scope for the improvement) So far, she has shot only bulk .22 ammo and some of the ammo her other rifle preferred. That is Wolf Match Target. We discovered that ammo shot the best in her rifle some years ago and I bought a case of 5000 rounds. At that time, as I understand, it was made at the German SK Lapua factory. I have heard it is now made by Eley in England. Anyway, it is good stuff and it was reasonably priced (at the time) for match ammo. I have seen it in stock currently, but at $95/500 😲 I paid well under $400 for the 5000 round case about 6 years ago.
Thank you. About my chrono.... my sunshades are not removable... I got tired of them falling out on my range trips so I JB Welded them in place LOL!! I only take that chorongraph from my reloading shed to the range so it's only about a 200 yard trip. I found it better just to leave them in place. It was not only overcast that day but it was also late in the evening and getting dark. You can't tell it with the camera because I had the ISO cranked up but it was very low light. It was a good test for that Sightron scope though as I have been told that particular model doesn't do well in low light... Anyway I was surprised that chronograph only had a few errors out of 25 shots. I believe you are correct about the Wolf stuff moving from the Lapua plant to the Eley plant. I have heard the same thing.
Have CZ 452 that shoots it really well, along with several handguns. I do flat nose it, and hollow point it. Just wish it wasn’t temperature sensitive, great hunting hunting ammo, during warmer weather.
Loved it Buffalo. My son has a CZ in 223Rem. With home loads and 55 grain Vmax bullets, we were getting some half inch groups at 100 yards. It was a difficult time I remember, as that was when we were having to deal with the scope walking to the left. Yeah, good enough rifles though.
I just inherited an old montgomery ward 22 lr from 1938. I've been shooting the only 22 lr available in New Mexico at this time. Winchester 22lr. Getting a sub grouping of less than 1/4 inch at 75 yards.
First off, thank you for all your time and effort.and $$$ It's nice to see people like yourself taking the time to do a consistent repeatable ammo/gun test. Excellent video I'm a hobby MTR shooter from just across the river in S.E. Indiana. I shoot a few bench rest matches and a few NRL22 matches that I'm not very good at but when it comes to ammo testing the CZ 457 MTR my brother and I have shot tens of thousands of rounds do of mid to high end ammo through a few 457s My MTR has seen somewhere around 14,000 rounds, I know people won't believe that but that's a fact since April of 2019 And it keeps getting better with most ammo, unfortunately not so much for the cheapest stuff. For instance my MTR started off kinda liking CCI SV and we shot at a club that required the use of their own CCI SV ammo. My brother and I could clean house at that match for about a year, now I have to borrow one of his guns to stay competitive lol It sounds like you're on the right path anything from the SK/Lapua line is a great place to relieve yourself of some cash! Lol I even like SK Magazine in the 500 round Can. RWS R50 or R50-SC should be an eye opener but it's $16 a box. Eleys new simi auto bench rest has been doing great also. I've had great luck with FIOCCHI EXACTA Winter or OFFICIAL 320 but it's also pricey! Sorry, I'll finally get to my point I could go on and on but I'll spare you some of the other good testing ammos and just say Out of everything I've tested the best for the money is still SK standard plus and even better by a long shot is SK Long Range Match On November 28 I only had time for 4 groups of 5 shots at 50yrd The groups were .252, .193, .129, .195 for a 4 group Ave of ( .192) I hope I can figure out how to share a picture of the target. that same day I shoot 5 5shot groups of SK STD+ that average was .428 not bad! So I ordered a case of each! Lol Please keep doing your test and if you have a problem finding some of the ammo please let me know
I'm glad that I came back to re-watch some of these videos and found your comment! Very informative and very appreciated! I shoot a CZ MTR as well and am always looking for what others are finding out about these incredible little rifles! Thank you for chiming in and please proffer up anything that you feel helps out! That's what this comment section is all about my friend! :)
I own the CZ457 Varmint. SK Standard + is the best Ammo I can run through it. The CZ .22's are flat out the best shooters and best value for the money among the Ruger, Tikka, Bergara, Savage and Springfield "Precision .22's". "Precision" is a very loose tag line among those manufacturers. I've sent the Ruger Precision .22, Springfield 2020, and the Tikka down the road as they were not consistently accurate. The Tikka was the best of that group of three.
Great video. Very professional presentation. I am very impressed with that CZ, I love the look and accuracy. I am very tempted to pick one up. I compete in small bore silhouette with an Anschutz 1712, sporter. It is very accurate, generally giving 1 MOA groups at 100meters. My best was 1/2" for five shots with the SK Standard Plus. Probably a fluke, but I'm keeping the bragging rights for that one. I've burned up many cases of SK Stand Plus, Flat Point Basic, and Flat Point Match. I've had best luck with the Match. I've found the Standard Plus to be very lot sensitive. Some lots have been great, other lots, not so much. For my Anschutz, the SK Flat Point Match has been consistently a good shooter. The round nose SK Rifle Match is also very good, but I have not used it extensively. Thanks again for sharing your test results.
Sk standard plus is the best bang for your buck in s cz 457. That being said my 457s shoot the best with Lapua center-x. I would love to see the next test with that ammo. Great videos thanks for making them
I watch your video and a few other videos about this ammunition so I ordered some of this SK standard plus I have purchased a CZ 457 American you can’t hardly find any kind of quality ammunition around here hopefully it will like it
Very interesting. At first glance with the naked eye it looks to me as if the group in the middle (.486) is larger than the one on the far right. Thank you for sharing your experience.
i love your farm. ❤ i also got the same results with same setup ( rifle and ammo). i shoot 100 yds and i get average 3/4 to one moa. 50yards is kinda boring because it is always just one hole.
Always enjoy your RU-vid presentations. Thank you for taking the time to share with viewers. I especially like you front and rear rifle rests What is the front one? Thank you.
Great shootn Man! The price of the SK seems reasonable as well I’m just getting into The CZ MTR now.Do you got a Vid on measuring hard to find simple Vid. on that I Have a caliper just don’t get how to convert on paper 🤔
Great video and tests of ammunition. Is cz 455 as accurate as cz 457 do you think? SK seems to working well with cz, but some types of CCI ammunition have also perform good with cz. Greetings from Sweden. 🇸🇪
What kind of ammo can't you find for testing? I have an ample supply of 22 on hand and if I have anything you're looking for I'd be happy to send you some. I don't have any match grade ammo, never really had a use for it since most of my shooting is just casual plinking
What area of KY are you in? I'm thinking somewhere between Mt Sterling and London. New sub by the way. I found your review of the Tristar shotgun and then this popped up. I love the CZ457! My american is an absolute squirrel killer.
Shooting rim fires for fun doesn’t always mean shooting hundreds of rounds. You seem to enjoy testing ammo and not being beaten by heavy recoil. I know from testing some seriously heavy recoiling cartridges I always warmed up shooting a 22. That way I knew the wind and my shooting skills were up to task. Then it also quickly becomes clear when a centerfire cartridge has made you punch drunk from being pummeled. The fact is; an accurate a 22 rifle will out shoot about every centerfire rifle to 100 yards every time. They might be a few shooters that can beat one but, not many. I did it plenty of times to guys who were shooting test groups out of their so called long range monstrosities to know. It humbled more than few of them at the local rifle range. If you up the cartridge size to 30-06 and try shooting 5, five-shot groups the same way it gets real hard real fast. When I started shooting 22 rifles a box of 50 shells cost fifty cents. The ones I have squirreled away and I still use cost ninety six cents a box. I bought some pricey ones now and then but, $6-dollars for a box of regular old 22s makes me want to cry. The way things are going people need to know you can shoot less and still get better and have fun. What’s the use of a 30 round magazine if you can’t put anything in it?
You are so right about this. I could shoot that little .22 all day and not develop a flinch. After a couple of groups with my big bore center fires I do start to anticipate the recoil a bit and it shows up on my paper.
Well, as crazy as it sounds my son shoots competitively and was on the 2019 Jr. CMP National Champion team that shot at Camp Perry. He shoots a Feinwerkbau 2700 and believe it or not, we have tested several other brands and levels of ammo and his rifle loves SK Standard Plus the best. I am sure glad because I would much rather pay $6 a box vs. $20 a box.
I loaded that way on the first of these ammo tests so I have to stick with it until I am done. I want to keep everything that I can control the same throughout this testing period. Thanks!
Ant that the way. Shoot all the match grade high dollar stuff and a guy shoots his best groups so far with cheap practice ammo. See its just that Buffalo charm makin that gun shoot so good. I talk at ya later Buffalo
Would love to see a barrel tuner mounted on this CZ and find the node for each of these loads. It may just be that the SK is closer to a node by default.
nice one fella ! my 457 mtr like yours and scope to , they like elley club and rws semi auto orange color , nice to see your videos because i have same set !! mine arrives from 11mm group from factory 50 meters with lapua center x !
Awesome! I will show my factory target in the next ammo test. They used RWS and got a 10mm (.394") group at 50 meters. I can't find any of the RWS stuff but I did find some Lapua. You'll see that in a couple of weeks on one of these tests.
I shot a 10 shot group at 50 yards using Wolf Match Target which I think is the same thing as SK Standard Plus. The group was 0.458. It was a little taller than it was wide but I am not a good bench rest shooter.
Just curious, you say you adjusted the trigger down as low as it would go. What is the weight of pull on the trigger now? What was it set at when you got it? Also, does it say in the rifle’s manual what the range of adjustment is ( lowest setting to highest pound setting) ? Thanks for all you do.
Alot of CZ shooters at our club are seeing good results with the SK lineup. Most of them shoot the SK Rifle Match or Long Range Match, or even like you with the standard.
SK Standard is what I shoot with my CZ Tacticool when I want to pretend to be good. It's never calm in Oklahoma, so if I get 4 out of 5 on the dot, I feel good. Plus, I'm old and getting shakier by the day. Try some Aguila SV. That's what I shoot when just going for silhouettes. Just found you a couple of days and and am enjoying your videos. sub'd.
