Daikatana - What Happened? 

Seems kinda late to post links after 8 months

@@midievalcat7770 Seems kinda late to post comments 2 months out of date

Wha happun to that intro. It was butchered.

I love this series very funny and informative

I confused John with George Romero as a kid, so I thought this ad was a new movie coming out soon, which made me laugh at that line thinking "that makes sense. He made Night Of The Living Dead, anyway."

But what about that time he was a huge zombie who constantly fucked my shit up? I felt like George's bitch then.

@@SonicKid7 ahhhhhh..... the Golden days of Call of Duty...... they seem so long ago now...... but yeah Call of the Dead was the fucking tits.

Dude that's hilarious!

🤣

Yeah, I kinda agree. You need balance between tech brain and creativity and they worked well in Doom. Read Masters Of DooM for more!

Sometimes, we need to be humbled before we realize where our shortcomings lie. Success almost always inevitably breeds ego, and ego can blind us to our shortcomings.

@@Humongous_Pig_Benis that’s such an awesome book.

Yin and yang incarnate

@@Humongous_Pig_Benis Carmack may have been a tech wizard, but he had 0 social skills whatsoever. Basically saying to Halls that all his work doesn't matter is exactly what you should be saying to push him to quit.

Hmm, perhaps they need to find a third person, one who can make games with both heart and brains, but lacks the courage to do so. And a little dog, too.

Sorry but Quake II had heart. Back then ppl loved it (and still do, or nvidia wouldnt choose it to make the RTX release).The game with no Heart was Rage.

@@Vanessinha91Pucca Naw, people liked it for multi, the SP is a boring slog, particularly compared to Quake 1. And given Quake 2 was already a glorified engine demo, does it really strike you as odd that is was used for a glorified engine demo?

I was alive back them.Ppl loved Quake 2 more than Quake 1. (I was an exception i love Quake 1 even above Doom), but ppl loved the strogs and the sci fi thematic.Also the strog prision was much more of an impact compared to any theme ID ever made before it.

@@Vanessinha91Pucca I was also alive back then. In fact, I was not only alive but fifteen years old. Try playing it again sometime, it absolutely does not hold up like the first game does. Levels are boring, enemies are boring, weapons are boring. Without its fancy graphics it doesn't have anything left, it's like the Turok games.

Unlike george bossard.........

@@Sonichero151 i heard that George bossard went on a rant on twitter where he defended the crunch culture of the video game industry. Is it true?

@@Shuyin781 I saw a LOT of comments on the Duke nukeum video confirming that.....

@@Sonichero151 yep, I managed to find the twitter thread. It was made back in December 2020 and, in one of his comment, he claimed that the working people were ok with crunching since they were "better paid" and "had preps". You know who didn't have any of that, were underpaid, and had their future hiring potential in the industry destroyed? The people who crunched under him on DNF.

That's a shame. Seems everyone turns into such pussies when they're older.

Kind of like Cliffy B, that wanted to be the “bad boy” of the gaming industry.

Idk he sound to me like an egomaniac douche to be honest. Take credit to Doom as if the majority of it was his work.. where the games he was director (Quake and Daikatana) he kind of slip it out of his persona resume. Brilhant talent was Carmark in my view. Romero good poinst was to know about what make a game fun.. but he never was able to put it in to use alone.

Everything Cliffy B wished he could be

@@1300l Carmack's technology is the most important part of the equation and I think most people recognize that, but it takes more than an engine to make a good game and Romero could make a good game. His ego, for better or worse, is what gave id its personality though it's also a bit overstated. Romero, "taking majority credit for Doom," is nonsense though and something drummed up from people who don't like the guy. He's never done this. Every interview he's ever had he makes it clear that id created games as a team and no one person deserves all the credit. He's remained active in the industry but has worked on low-profile things, probably learning his lesson after what happened with Ion Storm. I hope he eventually gets his new project, Blackroom, off the ground with Adrian Carmack, but it's been a while since he's said anything about it and its status is uncertain.

If you say Carmark+Romero can make a good game i agree. But romero didn't make a good game since Quake. Romero need Carmark and the others.. He is a great maper, but not a good game director.

He did put his then girlfriend to make some maps didn't he? And in the ending if memory serves me right he didn't even credit Will Loconto. Romero may be a cool and chill guy and actually a good programmer, but there's something about him that makes him unfit for big game productions.

Picking modders and mappers is a decision that... could reasonably be defended. It's basically the same logic as picking a Quake-series engine in the first place. Throwing people at an unfamiliar engine and expecting results could easily become the cause of a Wha Happun episode all by itself... if it hasn't already. Another matter is that if you put "You need Quake engine experience" on a job posting at the time, you'd find people who fit into one of: Modders, those who've worked at ID, those from companies working with ID (Hipnotic, Rogue, Raven), or studios who licensed the Quake engine (Ratloop, Zero Gravity, Valve). The strategy did work out for another company doing the same thing, in any case: Half-Life, which is an extended Quake 1 engine.

NOT ONLY THAT but they weren't hired for the quality of the mods and maps, but _for the amount of downloads they had_ It didn't really matter what you made. If it got tons of hits, you were hired!

I know, right?

Deus Ex was developed by Warren Spector in Austin, a completely separate branch, the more telling thing is that Anachronox was developed by Tom Hall in Dallas, so access to talent they had, but the knowledge of how to manage a company while making a blockbuster game was not.

That's because Romero wasn't behind Deus Ex. He was actually completely removed from the Deus Ex project, and without Romero, the team was able to make quite good games.

I remember seeing a beta of this game at E3 in 1998. It ran horribly.

Yes! I heard about this game, and have always been curious to see it in action

@@dawubber6676 there's a full let's play here on RU-vid

At least Trespasser inspired Gabe Newell to make Half-Life 2's physics engine.

Funny to see this now that AVGN just released his video on that game

大剣

11/10 reference

Are you Fuj... Fujiyama?

BIG STRONG SWORD

Sword go up. But Game go down

Big McLarge Sword

Daikatana isn't even correct either. It should be "Daitō"

I thought katana meant "a sword held on one side".

Mike Brannon don’t forgot Sega and all of their classic Sonic blunders

It just works!

@@LD1E60 agreed. Releasing it "before it was ready" may have been better phrasing.

It pretty much cyberpunk of back then lol

True not just to video game

Skippy

Aaah, good ol' Yathzee :)

That's ironic considering that Romero did learn from this.

@@GiordanDiodato And a hell of a lot of other games

The energy-based higher lifeform inhabiting the shell named John Carmack

Shouldn't it have been "ooki na katana"? lol.

It came from the Id founders’ D&D games, which also had a character named Quake.

should it be "dai ken" 大剣 ? Like in るろうに　剣心 (Rurouni Kenshin) ?

@@Gato303co 大剣 indeed is "big sword" but more in a "greatsword" kinda way. :) 大刀 is big katana specifically.

This is a stretch, but it would work as a la-lo-li-le-lou style smokescreen. Since its a cursed, forbidden sword, having it be named after a non-existent combination of kanji would help towards that.

Two words for Brink; Online Only. It literally killed the game. I worked/work at Gamestop - convinced MANY people to not bother touching that game. And those that did, returned it 9 times out of 10...

@Lassi Kinnunen "mp game doesn't need a story." A Way Out.

@@Gulyus Random passerby here, I salute you for being pro-consumer whilst trying to make bread.

I've seen him mentioning the fact that he has a Wha Happiun on Brink.... But I can't find it anywhere. Shame, I remember my younger brother playing that game back in the day

@@spyrelle3970 Co-op story games don't count

Wait is that you???

Oh hey you're here too

nice hat

Ay dude

Was that the one with the black shirt and the comically massive tits? I mean, they were already pretty big but they seemed to get bigger every game for a while.

So I guess this means no Lara Croft in SSBU. Bummer. 😢

that was why doom and quake were so legendary even to this day. The perfect storm of logic and creativity of carmack and romero. I think small teams and passion also played a role too. I mean today you just need huge teams for AAA, but some things suffer when you have corporate designing games for mass market.

@@wildwest1832 I'm not sure if I'd call Carmack logical, not after hearing that... Lovely quote. I'd say more like extremely hardworking and confident but narrow minded, whereas romero is borderline incompetent at times but makes up for it with his sheer ambition and creativity. The two balance each other out well, but there's also no way they could've gotten along. Their partnership was doomed to fall apart.

@@horricule451 It's like trying to make mortar without the cement to hold everything together.

Just have Spector and Hall direct the games, let Carmack in charge of technology and Romero in charge of design.

What's the irony

Cool fundraiser!

How can it be sold until it ran out of stock if it wasn't being sold (it was free) and it was a downloadable (unlimited)?

@@yourswordsir2537 OP didn't mention that.

@@Proserpira it had both physical and digital releases; the physical release cost money, the digital release is free.

Not saying 3rd Birthday wasn't a good game. But it's story was an absolute train wreck that completely character assassinated not only Aya Brea, a fan favorite, but also Kunihiko Maeda. With Aya, she went from a strong, no nonsense cop, who was frightened of her powers, but still used them to conquer her adversary, to a meek, submissive, moaning, constantly on the verge of tears, child. While Maeda... well, the less we speak of his butchered character, the better.

ViciousArcanum No one cared about Special Forces either. The point of the series is to showcase flops. Not to mention, a third person shooter flopping after Gears was pretty crazy.

I think the character change was explained in a plot twist but it was a terrible idea in the first place so we're back to square one.

Reason "Special Forces" got a video was due to the fact that it had spilt the MK team. John Tobias left to make Studio Gigante, which consist of many members that worked on the MK series. He had so much resentment for the project, he quit Midway before it was even completed.

@@DarkMProductions hmmm, sounds familiar... Metroid Other M

In a less tactful way, and without any heart. Quake 2 is the perfect example of that. Carmac may have been a tech wizard, but his lack of social skills and lack of imagination for storytelling, especially in an era where storytelling was starting to really develop in games showed that carmac needed Romero to overcome his short comings.

John Carmack loved the dev and modding community and I'm sure the respect he has towards it is basically because he's such a nerd, in the most befitting way. As Romero is a good programmer too I would've expected him to have more success as he had a penchant for ideas and an approach to design that seemed promising, turns out for different reasons neither of them can produce great games on their own.

Hold R and A, that's how you crouch.

"Wha Happun?" - FighterPedia

Hy Matt got thin and Woolie got white.

How do you get reminded of something that nevuh happun?

What's Fighterpedia?

Nice

It's actually alright if you install the right mods

Any updates on this stuff a year later?

@@DeathAngel-ft8oz I believe that game is due for release soon. It's a Mafia title.

Does he still have his coke-robot-maids in there?

@@paolo2763 Coke Soda, or cocaine? I never heard of the maids.

@@yellowcougar18 It's a joke from the beginning of the video

Right? Believable.

Nice

you mean *_🌪️💥🔋‼️ION STORM‼️🔋💥🌪️_*

was looking for a comment like this good on ya bud

A man of culture, I see.

Sorry but even with the patch it don't turn it in to a good (and specially not a pretty good) game. What it turn is in to a playable game.

@@1300l I think you're being a little harsh, *but* I'll agree that when you set the bar as low as DAIKATANA anything above it looks great.

Idk, as an 11yr old kid I thought it was the shit.

>JRPG >Western studio I don't even

@@papayer They're a thing. EA made a LotR Final Fantasy X clone in the ps2 era, even. It's largely forgotten, but pretty good. Had an Evil Mode where you'd attack your own party as monsters, and win to get loot to transfer over to the main game.

Lolz

There were other games released with entirely brushwork-based levels after Daikatana, mostly using the GoldSrc engine, like Half-Life: Blue Shift (2001), James Bond 007: Nightfire (2002) and Condition Zero: Deleted Scenes (2004). I'm sure if you dig a bit, you'll find other engines that used brush-based levels, especially on budget games :-).

You are right about Blue Shift, but Nightfire and Deleted Scenes utilized a hell of a lot of models in their levels compared to Daikatana.

Brushwork is a term for level design crafted by hand rather then with pre-made model assets and most prefabs like buildings, cars, support beams and whatnot. media.moddb.com/images/mods/1/23/22202/fp15.JPG media.moddb.com/images/mods/1/23/22202/fp9.JPG steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/597003860857563882/1CFCA5CA71C5E7DE21E4D79100F61B7137C7C131/ steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/607225753885113693/67BCF7A61AC0138ECD0798A03C453ECC793DE71D/ steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/607226305912242971/842D0DBF8C7321D6AEF2E0C02F346DF2F3743156/ steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/607226305912007998/E1A6FBD505A42D1C65F97A6C25985184D770183E/ steamuserimages-a.akamaihd.net/ugc/607225753885505730/F71A7F39F4CA9231CBDB3861F7B3DA7D5AA37A98/ Brushwork is incredibly time-consuming, primitive and rough around the edges, but it can also be quite charming and can be given some pretty humanistic touches of personality by some particular mappers. It was pretty much the only way game-devs could craft a level in a 3D environment due to how memory and graphically intensive in-game models at the time were. It wasn't until the very late 90's when tech was beginning to explode and more advanced dev-kits came about such as IDtech 3 and Unreal Engine 2

I was playing Deleted Scenes recently and i'm 100% certain that everything is made with brushes. There are a few models used to add a bit of detail, but nothing more than what Daikatana itself does (if you check some shots there are several mesh props, like light fixtures, plants, statues, etc - even right from the first level).

Deleted scenes featured a lot of scripted events utilizing primitive cinematic physics and more mesh props then Daikatana if my memory serves me well, hence why I feel the brushwork is more or less ignored for the sake of big bombastic set-pieces then articulate level design. The second time period in Daikatana featured some of the best and most expansive brushwork considering the over-abundance of slave-built temples and tunnels. The first and final time-period perhaps had some of the most mesh props and prefabs but considering the amount they had to make for each era the devs got lazy and many of them felt rushed and looked ugly even for the time.

It looks like it's appropriate to discuss it now

Jesus Christ! That game isn't out yet? I keep hearing that game during my Uni years back in 2013 because a fellow school mate was a backer. He would always update me whenever a new ship is announced and how some backers are willing to shell out huge amount of money on it. My overall thoughts regarding those "achievements" were. This game would definetly face a huge backlash regardless of how successful would it be due to the huge hype surrounding it. Fast forward to 2021. I am still surprised that the game isn't out yet. I wonder if those huge backers regretted their spending?

to be fair, this was mostly edited before I got sick!

Daikatana is 4.6 on metacritic, Cyberpunk 2077 is 7.1

Oh man, I really hope we never have to see a what happened of that game.

@@jjnnerazor I guess we won't?

Jebediah Oldenheimer After looking it up its apparently coming out this year. So who knows?