The History of Quake with Tim Willits 

HUMILIATION! Thanks for posting this so long after the fact, noclip is a jewl in a sea of what ever you want to call the rest of the gaming media. Cheers.

I didn't realize how etched into my head that announcer was until I read that comment lmao

Why not include the clip where his arms and legs are replaced ? You should get people who've actually played the game to find clips for your editor :)

the enemy has your flag

@@Bill-zp2mt *sigh* it's called stroggification Bill. C'mon, you knew that.

In theory, sure. But being aware of the competition and considering release windows and such is extremely important in todays market.A game being good does not guarantee success, nor does a game need to be great to sell well.

@@suplextrain well yeah of course, you'd obviously need to be aware of competitors when you're trying to sell literally anything, but relying on your competitors to fail to make your own product seemingly better is just lazy and weak, I think that's what he was implying. You can have a solid competitor and still deliver your own quality product and be just fine. Time windows for delivering the game and it's actual contents should always be aware of the competition's. Just look at how Titanfall 2 underwhelmed almost entirely because of EA's boneheaded release window.

Still, UT > Q3.

Pretty sure they changed that after Rage 1 was released, lmao.

@@mina86 Yup. Unreal Tournament was much more fun than Quake III.

have you seen what Ahoy did? he collected a lot of information and presented it in an hour-long video

@@alexlokanin3312 Ahoy's video is a must watch. On the other hand, Noclip probably had a chance to see unfinished builds of some of these games. The first Quake has quite a history. There was a time where it was modeled after Virtua Fighter (no I'm not kidding lol) and another when it was a first person action game. Had some Aztec levels too.

@@alexlokanin3312 Yes of course! :) I love Ahoy but he mostly just tell you stuff about the game, not so much behind the scenes and how the development was like.

Alex Lokanin could you post a link or say what it’s called pls

@@VALIS538 ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-OipJYWhMi3k.html

So why Quake Champions is dead, Unreal Tournament got canceled, Shootmania Storm was never popular and Toxxxik died in a month after release?

Indeed, I still play Quake 2 and Quake 3 online as nothing has ever topped them, especially 3.

@@polterghost_ Timelessness =/= most popular. QC got cucked by incompetent devs and UT4 got cucked by Fortnite.

@@polterghost_ Because all the people that might play those games are still playing Quake.

@@phuzz00 Ok boomer. Nostalgia clouds peoples judgement as always I guess.

Civvie always knew 🤔

@@vlc-cosplayer Carmack has suggested this bit of code was actually written by Terje Mathisen, who also didn't come up with the magic number.

All those years of consulting the Elder Gods really paid off

@@vlc-cosplayer as someone who had to work really hard at maths to get a good grade i just got PTSD from that devil language

Let's be real here, Carmack IS an elder god

Yah, just heard that. Well Sandy never said WHO the snake was, but I think its easy enough to figure out.

@@HunterMayer It could have been romero, it could have been anyone. But everyone has kinda settled on Willits for well... yeah.

Yeah, this is just 15 minutes of Tim talking about how awesome he was while he was killing the Quake franchise.

@@Skullkan6 iirc, the big hint as to who it was was when he talked about the secret room in the final boss stage in Quake 2. Also, Sandy would refer to everyone he knows by their name except for that snake.

Yep, that story makes me so angry. All it take is one narcissistic sociopath...

The amount of people playing is really the only thing that lets Quake down at the moment. Quake with other people of a similar skill level to you is possibly the most fun you can have on your PC, there just aren't enough. It's a shame really, because I think that the interest would be there if they made another game in the style of Quake 1 with an atmospheric singleplayer and an awesome multiplayer: DOOM got insanely popular after the reboot, but id seem to have abandoned Quake now. Still gonna continue to express my wish for another Quake 1 game whenever I possibly can in the hope that someone will see it and take note.

I tried to get into Quake with both QL and QC, after hearing all the praise it got from Zy, but it's pretty... unamusing to play against people incomparably above your skill level, while your every second thought is "I could rip these fuckers to shreds in CS". (10+ years of experience in that series.) I don't want to suffer through hours upon hours of frustration, getting dominated be everyone else, while I learn the maps, item locations, timings, movement skills, etc... just so I could finally be an average player, who is "only" 2 times worse, instead of 10 times, than a vet. And don't even get me started on playing against bots... sure, you could do that to learn, but what do you get then? Shame on you if u get killed, because they are... just bots. No sense of accomplishment if u frag them either, since they are... just bots. Even if you win, you can't win. All that, while I could simply go back to CS, Battlefield, Krunker, or any other game I enjoy, and just have fun. So yes, I'm sad that Quake is dying, because I did have a couple of fun games where I was on servers with beginners, just like me, and I witnessed the appeal the game has... but at the same time, I can understand why newcomers leave after just a short while.

Q2 like you was my game. I played it 10 years old, 56k modem...... the bob of movement perfectly mirrored Prodigy and Voodoo people..... being a young kid who was good, just gave me a sense of belonging. That era of online gaming was special... Very lucky to of been a part of it.

@@TheSolidlad A lot of people seem to encourage that grit-your-teeth way of learning, but that really isn't what it's about for me. Playing should be fun. It's more fun when you're playing against someone around your skill level, but it's entirely possible to have a lot of fun while playing badly.

@Siye Boss Last time I checked there were 450 people playing simultaneously.

Same!

Shame it wasn't called WOR like they mentioned... because in my mind it destroyed the Quake franchise.

Yes! This is me as well. It was just amazing making that switch. I had the Voodoo 2 as well. My first GPU.

The quake logos and the quake iii steelcase design are a thing of beauty.

I still remember seeing it at the store when it came out, I bought the OG shareware CD at release. I knew about DOOM, I saw the id software logo & the giant Q on the front, something just told me to buy it & it'd be awesome. I was right & still love playing Quake 🙂

Fill me in?

@@johnmurcott1273 I don't know too much about him, but Tim Willits once claimed he was the inventor of the multi-player only map idea. This was disputed by 2 or 3 of his former coworkers at id. Tim Willits is either oblivious, or just getting sucked up by his own hype. He's nothing more than just the Steve Jobs of id and people like J Carmack, A Carmack, Romero, Hall, and all the other OG id team are the Wozniaks.

@@johnmurcott1273 little does Willits know (or maybe he just deliberately stretches the truth) that multi-player only maps were a thing way before quake released

@@johnmurcott1273 it also explains the fact that ever since those original id guys left one by one, id just kept deteriorating. Id really hasn't had a half decent game since 2001.

@@LeonRHarvey Ty bro

i love the rail gun sound and chaingun sound effects in q2

Yeapp and soundtrack is what this game made so atmosferic truly blend it in Alien Strogg world!Ahh...those distorted guitar riffs and poor marines traped in their prisons for chopping...!

yeah, it was my first Quake/Doom game and it had biggest impact on me.

Explain?

​​@@pkssen He was basically one of those dudes who would intentionally drag down his co-workers and sabotage them to elevate his own standing within the company. Which led to a _lot_ of talent and OG Doom/Quake developers leaving id (including Romero, Adrian Carmack, and American McGee) Also he claims credit for a lot of stuff that he didn't actually do.

Yeah, Tim's a douche

at what point of the video did he say that? didnt he say arena fps?

Correct, he did not invent death match. This guy is the 'snake' that destroyed ID software.

@@breakfastplan4518 I hear that a lot about Tim. What exactly did he do to destroy id?

@@Yousef-vz3zw Way too much to go into here. But he infiltrated ID and poisoned its strongest members. Google has so much good information on this, id suggest looking there. By the time you get to what he did to American McGee, you are pissed thinking it will end there.... and it doesn't. Tim is a POS and i'm afraid there isn't a hell for him to go to.

go check out Arcane Dimensions the craftsmanship is so high it could be considered an unofficial sequel

Totally agree

YES THIS! loved the first quake

I want a new Quake game in the style of the first so badly.

Didnt get into amid evil (too colourfull maybe) . But can approve of the other 2

They really do, just from other companies, at least in UT's case. id needs to keep Saber far, FAR away from any games they make from now on, and Epic needs to just give the Unreal franchise back to Digital Extremes since Epic doesn't know how to make anything more than glorified mobile trash.

@@nothlur Epic dropped UT for Fortnite. And why? Because the majority of people prefer to play these games now :(

​@@De-M-oN no, kids play Fortnite for the clout that comes with skins and emotes.If UT had emotes and buyable skins/weapons upgrades, then it might make a comeback.

were you in a clan, glen? I was in [I'm 12] and briefly [M] as well. All of us in [I'm 12] lived around LA and would meet up for important matches at the 2 co-founders work, which had a T1 line running to it. Good times. :)

J. B. I live in the UK and was in a clan called 4K

@@glenclough9080 you're surprised by anything that comes out this ass rat's mouth? it doesn't surprise me... of course they will never acknowledge that a game where Romero was involved was better than what they did when left by themselves, of course not... Don't forget to leave a thumbs down on the video. This clown is not id, why is he talking about id, who gave him the right to talk about id?

Dont forget Arcane Dimensions

There were also total conversion like Quake Rally. I played a lot of TF. The mod scene for the original Quake was very rich. It's my favorite game from the series. I liked the atmosphere and the absence of narrative made it feel like a really long tech demo that had infinite possibilities.

Ahh, Q3CTF4 memories.

Unreal, System Shock 2, Grim Fandago, Fallout 1-2, Baldur's Gate 1-2, Planescape Torment, Everquest MMO etc. Great era

Literally the same path for me,,,,wow

@@NeutralDice Diablo 2 as well.

Doom II had just came out when I got my first PC, then I got Duke Nukem 3D, Quake, Tomb Raider for Christmas 1996. Then had other games such as Redneck Rampage, Dark Forces, Rise of the Triad, Quake II and Half-Life. Yes the late 1990's was the golden age of PC gaming.

dark forces absolute gem. jedi knight 1, X wing. shadow warrior. Scorched Planet, the original GTAs, Wing commander. Heretic, Hexen. Descent. AVP series. Age of Empires Rise of Rome and mods, Populous. The original heavy driving sims - Sports Car GT. No one lives forever. Return to Castle Wolfenstein..... Motocross Madness when Microsoft made good games.

Ironic that one of the best Arena shooters eve made was with people that just didn't know what people wanted. Unlike certain other companies stating they know what the fan base wants.

Joe Rogan is out there still playing Quake

i loved it.... but its now steam and its not free.

@@rilluma Quake Live was like 3 dollars in the last sale and it's the most populated

@@necrome9746 They think they know based on marketing but game devs especially the young ones often don't understand what makes certain game genre work. D3 was prime example of that.

Sup EG.

@@zoidctf haha hey again lol

Wow Q3 modding community here :D I was one of the guys from spiderman tc (dynamic forces) and also ROL. o/

Remember Kali? a one time 20 dollar fee to play as many online games w/ your friends as you want, thru a lobby chat room thingy. Fun times. Quake world was a thing. Planetquake and game spy. Miss those days.

@BOOZE & METAL Good luck mate

It was the first FPS I ever played! My dad brought it back from the US for me. I remember being too scared to play it for a while, then I got hooked!

railgun sound * pewww* :D

love both and still play them :)

YES. The original Quake was the best, for me. I *loved* that world - the mix of futuristic technology and medieval architecture - space marines vs. eldritch horrors. Stumbling round in the dark, up to your waist in murky water, and *BANG* - part of the wall drops down suddenly to reveal a dimensional shambler gathering lightning, and a pair of fiends leaping at you. The ogre with the chainsaw and the grenade launcher. The sound of the knights drawing their sword. Zombies rising from the mud, groaning and throwing body parts at you. Trent Reznor's creepy industrial sound track, with children crying and voices whispering. Not just secret areas with hidden treasures, but whole secret levels too. THAT was Quake. What Tim Willits said in the interview about Quake having an identity crisis was absolutely right. Technically brilliant, Quake 2 was amazing, but it just wasn't Quake; the whole humans vs. aliens thing is a trope that has been done to death. What the original Quake brought was one heavily-armed human vs the hordes of the elder gods in the H.P. Lovecraft universe, and I don't think that's been done before or since. I've said many times - id Software should remaster the original Quake, and maybe give it a proper sequel - like they've just done with Doom 2016 and its sequel. I know I'd buy it, and I know I wouldn't be alone in doing so.

Yes but i was thinking about how Quake once almost destroyed ID. After Doom Eternal if they try to make Quake sequel it would definitely destroy them.

No. Fuck remasters. Quake is already out there, the engine is open source. It does not need a remaster.

Quake is perfect as is. If you really want modern enhancements just get the Quake 1.5 mod and/or play all the incredible maps people are still making for quake 1 to this day.

HELLO... Quake Epsilon is more than a remastered and is free.

The Soundtrack fitted so well the game. Sonic mayhem did a masterwork there

Carmack praised UT at the time for its leaps forward in graphics with the use of 16-bit colour and ambient effects

there's a remastered Q2 soundtrack video on here

Spot on!

I remember how cool I thought it was that the monsters attacked each other. Also, binding keys and creating aliases. Were pretty handy. Probably already existed in Doom. Bunny jumping.

QWTF FTW

Rickard Elimää could def work to your advantage when that happened!

Accurate

Oh, you made me cry :)

Wait, what? What map?

Q:ET was done by a different studio. (Splash Damage) Carmack did some coding work for it (first iteration of MegaTexture) but the rest of Id was off working on something else.

Best game sountrack ewer!Just play it through Q2 XP mod and enjoy true 3d audio!Scarry as s...xd!

We don't talk about this.

FOR THE FREEDOM OF EARTH! Ehhhhh.... Where did that come from.... *sigh*

SO YOU LIKE THE CONTAMINATION? IS THAT WHAT YOU ARE TRYING TO SAY?? yes! yes! no! no!

I did enjoy quake wars

really enjoyed that game a lot. also enjoyed how it was sort of a mix of the quake 1 and quake 2 universes

The problem is that quake 3 is best played on old crt monitors to really get out that old school feeling of the game and that kind of gets lost when you attempt to play the game on newer lcd monitors. It just doesn't play or feel the same.

@@SuperSkandale Some pals are playing it on curve 32" screen and definitely does not look the same. But back in the day you needed several cars to get all the CRTs moving so I personally find the balance acceptable.

@@SuperSkandale The Super Smash Bros Melee scene has no problem transporting CRTs. It can be done.

they will never acknowledge any part of history that has to do with Romero, they want to rewrite history and pose as founders, didn't you catch that already?

Matt skirble I see you’re a man of culture.

He should though, his only sequel sucked ;)

@@Vanessinha91Pucca I stand by my belief of if Duke Nukem forever was released 1999 or 2000 people would of loved it

Yea, but it wasn't. Where Quake had already 2 sequels even if Forever was released in 2000.And honestly? If it was the Quake II build, i don't think people would like it.

@@mattskirble6845 *would have

that traumatized me a bit tbh

what exactly did he do?

@@lordofdouchebag2161 there’s other interviews and testimonies out there but sandy peterson had a front row seat to it and has talked about it a few times at length. here’s a short one, but there’s more if you dig around ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-G_ga1TFBrBo.html

@@lordofdouchebag2161 From 'Masters of Doom'; Tim Willits was initially recommended by American McGee to the team that are developing Strife. McGee was a once prominent Doom modder/mapper. And got hired for Doom II because of it. So he kind of wanted to do the same for someone. But Tim quickly got transferred to idSoftware to help work on Quake. Initially, chummied-up with Romero to learn mapping tricks, but then quickly flipped and brown-nosed hard towards Carmack during the time Carmack and Romero started falling out. Then, according to Sandy, during development of Quake II, Tim pretty much pushed American McGee under the bus for some reason(mainly, get him in trouble with John Carmack who's pretty much the company head when Romero left), eventually having McGee fired(for me, American McGee's biography itself is a heartbreaking one). But my personal favorite story, is the one where he starts claiming on some interviews that he's the "founder/inventor of multiplayer-only maps". Pointing to some scrap/draft maps on Quake as proof. This is pretty funny, as John Romero pointed out, Rise of the Triad came a year earlier than Quake. And Marathon few months earlier than RotT. Both games having MP-exclusive maps. id's decision to create MP maps for Quake were influenced by those games, and even before Tim got into the team, Romero himself already made drafts and hand drawn sketches for some MP-exclusive maps. Again, Romero himself isn't even claiming credit on being first, as he admitted, he was more inspired from his friend, Tom Hall and RotT. Meanwhile, it was American McGee who was already prototyping functional MP maps for Quake. So Tim instead, settles/compromises on instead taking credit for "designing Quake 1's first/shareware episode"...which John also noted as an odd call; The first two maps there where Romero's(including the starting, difficulty/world selection map), and the last three where McGee's. To claim sole credit on the whole episode is...weird, to say the least.

You could look around back in Quake 1 by setting the console command +mouselook. In fact, that's how I played Quake Test, aka, QTest1, which came out slightly before Quake 1 did. I remember my friend had got a 3DFX card and used it to play Quake 1, but I didn't see what the big deal was. But then I saw how the Quake 2 demo looked on a GPU, and I had to get one!

You had mouselook in Duke 3D too, although it was limited to something like 45 degrees.

@@todesziege Yeah, but I never knew it had a mouse look till way too late, I played almost the whole game with the arrow keys before I figured it out.

I bought the Riva TNT 2 value, friends had the Voodoo 2. Those were the days.

@@dannyoctopuscarey8785 lol YES! Now, the improvements are not nearly as noticeable. But back then, this is going from SVGA in 256 colors to OpenGL in 16 million. Like going from a Chevette to a Corvette.

Getting on multiplayer now lol

I love the nail gun in multiplayer in that game. The first couple hours of the single player were boring as hell though.

When you mastered crouch jumping, moving around in Q4 was almost more rewarding than Q3. The only reason I switched back was that the community stayed.

Agreed. Same with Quake 2. Great games both.

Agreed, love the weapon selection. The beginning is slow and it took me a few tries to really get into it but once you become part Strogg the game is incredibly fun.

Quake Wars deserves a place in this video

@@Zephol No offense, but I haven't even played it (And I consider myself a big quake fan). Quake Wars is to Quake as Other M is to Metriod.

it's not a real quake

quake wars was wonderful

@@gozinta82 none taken :) although it's a much better game than Other M

There were so many fantastic mods for all the Quakes. In particular, I really liked the *Rocket Arena* mods - Death Match Perfection!.

Pretty much, the only one really more important was doom.

DOOM!

hopefully they rework it into a straight up arena shooter. im sick to death of hero shooters - another fad imo

@@ReplicantBattyman or on ps4 ;/

legiongamerworkBRUH ben A man can dream.

@@legiongamerworkbruhben6058 I just don't know if it would be very feasible honestly... I wish for you console crowd that it will be because frankly Quake Champions is pretty damn good and vastly underrated imho, it's just... the series itself is so deeply rooted into the PC platform that the entire gameplay has been optimized for Mouse and Keyboard for years now... they could make it work just fine I believe but I dunno if it would feel "as" good as it does on PC, or if it would feel good at all to begin with, because an aim assist on quake is a big no no and arena shooters are known to be pretty damn tough to learn, especially if you don't have any already acquired basics knowledge, stuff like like strafe jumping, crouch surfing, ramp riding etc there's a reason why QC, or any arena shooter for that matter, don't have a huge playerbase, because this genre is very hard to get into and tend to scare potential new players away due to the sheer amount of Technique you need to learn, the game is not holding you hand either, it expect you to figure shit out on your own, old school style

Early Access -> End of Life

Right?! I mean, the original _Team Fortress_ was a _Quake_ mod, ffs! The modding revolution already took hold with the first game!😓

I still have my screen name from my quake 1 TF days! (Soljarag)

@@Soljarag5 lol hell yeah. I had my original config file for like 20 years. Lost it last year :(

@@mrmelkor1 Replying to 1st original comment... They will never acknowledge that a game where Romero was still involved was much better and much more innovative, these clowns who pose as founders want to rewrite history. It's blatant at this point.

had* they killed the game....time to wash and reset...

no

​@@justinandout yes

Amen to that, brother.

I would redirect your praise to figures like either Carmack, Tom Hall and Romero. Tim Willits is a known credit thief and has been called out many times by his peers.

@@hodgepodge6579 YOU HEATHEN!

@@hodgepodge6579 BURN THE HERETIC

@hodge podge Can you show any evidence that he's been stealing their fame? As far as I know Tim Willits invented 3D multiplayer shooters, and his two 3D engine is the sole reason we have so many great multiplayer games today like Quake II, Quake III, and Quake Champions. Are you calling Tim a liar because he's bald?, I'll let you know that your hate speech has no place on this platform and you're being reported for hate speech.

you wouldn't be as good and probably puke

Literally sounds like a bad idea lol

The Hybinator quake 3 could work. If they down the speed and the jumping, mabye tweak the levels where needed, it would be awesome Or unreal tournament/championship remastered VR 😂👍

Quake Champions in VR -> Slash Crouchslide -> Scalebearer Bullrush -> Athena -> Rocketjumping Sorlag ahahahaha 🤣

don't worry soon they will close the servers since population is at huge decline and less than 1000 ppl plays it

Dregomz02 Why u talk like that? Be more helpful... some of us love that game

@@mantus3243 truth hurts i see, when game stops growing and won't give you profit it's only matter of time when they shut down the servers

@@Dregomz02 I agree, and I believe the strongest reason for this not happening yet is *DOOM Eternal* , you know, to preserve its hype.

that's debatable. in my country the word Unreal was simply unheard, but Quake 3 was everywhere

@@ksysinf opposite where i lived, no one goddamn knew what quake 3 was but everyone was playing ut