Daikin Fit vs Amana S vs Goodman SD. SAME UNIT??? My thoughts on the system(s?) 

Yeah I think there are a few big companies jumping on these due to their price and then still gouging their customers but that's just a theory. It seems like the companies that push them in RU-vid videos only talk about this system. The trainer basically said everything he could to get us to not buy the unit

@@SurfBrosHVAC the fact that you have to use their own proprietary thermostat seems like a turn off for me. I guess most communication systems are like nowadays

No issues to date on the Fit installs?

@@SurfBrosHVAC Thankfully no, we haven’t had any real issues. The Amana units are the same install design. They work well. Sure, the Bosch is a quicker install, but I have several extra steps since we install / replace the furnaces. Checking and setting gas pressures for altitude and combustion analysis. But the Fit or S-series goes in fairly close to any other systems. It’s a pretty intelligent setup. And they can be on a bracket and they are quiet. At first, you are worried if it will work, but they exceed my expectations. But the Bosch 20 SEER2 qualifies for CCHP rebates, so we offer a half dozen options.

I work for a distributor owned by Daikin… you are correct about the tax credits being Amana and Daikin meet the criteria. Goodman does have a simple wall thermostat but it has Bluetooth so the dealer can sync up to it and set up system perimeters. It also costs the dealer way less because it’s not a fancy touch screen. There are a lot of inverter products and most of them are just staged out compressors. These units (when matched correctly) are fully inverter from 30% to 130% which allows for better dehumidification and performance. I’m a big fan of the channel you guys do great work👍

Would you say there is a benefit between the Daikin, Amana, or Goodman system? Or are they essentially the same product? Someone commented and said they do have the 120V air handler which goes against what I was told in the training but it would reignite my interest if it can be paired with something 120V. Also the price point, at least for the Goodman, is very good for a communicating system.

@@SurfBrosHVAC as far as cooling only units go they are all the same. Daikin and Amana make enhanced heat pumps that will work in colder climates that Goodman doesn’t offer. Also you can use the Daikin ONE thermostat on the Goodman if you want to have the touch screen thermostat. From what I understand they just came out with a 115V air handler that has variable speed drive and EEV coil specifically made to match with our side discharge units. PS that trainer was trash. There is a little learning curve to installing these units but from the work I’ve seen you do this would be no problem for you guys. Our industry is quickly becoming more and more home owner DIY friendly thanks to companies like Mr. Cool. These Goodman, Amana and Daikin side discharge units have enough installation nuance that you won’t see homeowner Joe blow attempting to install themselves. Give it a try sometime I think you might be surprised by how much you and your customers will like them.

Por que no los dos?

Yep. Started in AZ and I didn't know half the stuff I work on now exists

The trainer at the install class was basically trying to talk us out of installing them so I think we were affected by that. I knew several other people from other companies in the class and we all seemed to get the same vibe from the trainer. There were a lot of little things about installing it that seemed weird. I think there were three apps we needed to have for different reasons to install the system. One for setting up the thermostat, one for updating the furnace if necessary, and one for something else I'm not remembering. There were a couple troubleshooting tools that they wanted us to get if we'd be installing the equipment. The trainer made it sound like he has gotten way too many calls from installers at 8 pm about these systems. He told us he goes to the bar on Friday and will still answer the phone but he'll be drunk so not as helpful. I was interested in the system before the class but after seeing his attitude toward it I'm now not. I'm always willing to change my mind though

@@SurfBrosHVAC as soon as we get one sold and installed ill update you on how it goes. But just to be clear they DO offer a 115v air handler for these sd systems

Apparently it's not available in California cause we suck over here

@@SurfBrosHVAC Im in Riverside so im pretty sure they have these in california

I think this trainer was trying to sabotage the sale of the equipment in San Diego cause he successfully convinced all of us to not install it if you couldn't tell. Let us know how it goes

How much?

He did not specify which ones he thought were better. I've thought the Goodman 2 stage stuff was nice for a long time. Haven't seen much of their higher end stuff personally besides two stage so I can't really speak for their inverter stuff

I'm gonna be honest I have no idea. I have heard from some people it's harder to get the unit replacement than it used to be. I think it's something along the lines of it parts become obsolete and cannot be supplied in a reasonable timeframe then they'll supply a replacement unit. This obviously wouldn't cover the installation of the unit and it only applies to the original purchaser of the equipment so if the home changes hands no dice. If you're gonna own the home for life then maybe not a bad idea.

Yeah honestly they told us very little except that the guy was trying to talk us out of installing them. He made it seem like he gets too many calls from installers in the evening when they can’t get the systems started up

Maybe we'll start doing innovair

​@@SurfBrosHVACyeah much better pricing on innovair equipment

You seem them in the wild? Honestly I don't have an interest in doing them but the installs I have seen have been real bad. I've only seen like 3

@@SurfBrosHVAC No, I haven't seen them in the wild. They're a pretty new brand in our market. They're a new emerging company. My friend's company where he works installs them. Yeah, they're basically Johnstone's lowest priced equipment. So unfortunately the low price brings out the hacks. I installed one of their inverter heat pump mini splits in my garage recently and like it. Our Innovair Rep. Mike is a cool guy.