Dan Patrick recaps yesterday's MLB Playoff action and explains why he has a problem with teams using starting relievers and relying heavily on analytics for postseason games
This is such a stupid take. If the bulk of your starting pitchers are injured, you piece together what you have. Sorry you're not a fan, Dan. We'll tell Glasnow to man up and get out there.
The dodgers have 7 current starters injured. Their 4th starter right now is a rookie with 12 career starts. With the season on the line, should they have started the rookie? I would have the bullpen game planned just like Roberts did, especially with the day off before game 5. It was a no brainer
remember, you must face a minimum of three hitters (exception is end of an inning), so it's not a conversation of "you're throwing 12 pitches this time out". And, at this level (MLB), velocity without movement does not get hitters out, generally ("I would take a guy at 95mph with movement/wide arsenal of pitches, over a 100mph guy with more limited pitch menu"). They are not intimidated by triple digits in mlb. Estevez last nite threw a 98mph, challenge fastball ("see if you can hit it") down middle to Lindor...he deposited it far away. A pro hitter gets much more flustered by offspeed....the new sweeper pitch is really catching on in recent years (a flat slider, basically). Anything that a hitter has to adjust to, downward/upward, side to side, is more effective than just heat.
Bro these guys sound lame, the Dodgers don't have a starting pitcher. How is it required for every pitcher to be on if he uses that many? Lol you're only required to get three people out. And if you mess up it's only for one inning and you get pulled or you get pulled in the middle of the inning. Roberts has gone with his best guys before and it's bit him in the butt. Do we need to bring up how many times Kershaw has melted down in the playoffs.
Tigers have no choice. Skubal is the only surviving starter. 6 pitchers have come up from AAA in 2024 and 5 of them have ERA under 3.00..strategy had worked since mid-august. Its not analytics, its necessity
Grandpa Dan planted in his barcalounger, allowing his pupils to speak only when called upon, declaring that the Tigers need to win his way is some serious boomer vibe. And I’m 53 years old.
Instead of a nostalgia tour, or hating on Dan Patrick, how about some data? Does pitching-by-committee mean more wins, or fewer wins? I’d love to see some analytics on that.
is it weird to say Dan does not watch Baseball /mlb that often. Because it's like He miss that almost all the Dodgers SP are all injured/IL before postseason start.
I had the idea of using a closer to start a game 20 years ago. It’s not weird. Plus, the Dodgers don’t have the starters. They never do at the end of the season.
Wait, did Dan's co-host just state that he was walked through by someone else who said, "this guy is going to pitch for two hitters..." Is it different in the playoffs? I'm sorry, I thought it was three hitters minimum, no?
Well get used to more "openers" not only in the post season but during the season as well. I believe this is going to be a new trend in MLB for two reasons - starting pitchers are very expensive and there are too many injuries. Teams will still have 2 or 3 traditional starters but the rest of the pitching staff will be filled with guys who can cover 1-3 innings.
You sound like grandpa yelling at kids to get off their lawn. The postseason USED to be about starting pitching. All due respect to Jeter. Now, it’s just about matchups. Can that be starters? Absolutely. But what it does is even up teams who don’t have dominant starters. If you can give narrow assignments to more pitchers, you have more impact because batters can’t become attuned to your stuff. This is exponentially MORE fun than watching a single pitcher try to go 7 innings and get got starting in innings 4/5.
So, it's better to lose than winning with what you've got and using it in the most effective way possible? Got it Dan. Sure, it may not be pretty or live up to some made up standard, but it's resourceful. And resourcefulness counts for something.
And top line starting pitchers are even more valuable now as evidenced by teams needing to use relievers to start a game because they don’t have enough topline starting pitching
Are they forgetting that the pitchers now have a pitch clock. These pitchers cant stall for time and loosen up inbetween pitches anymore. Its a go, go, go environment that will eventually catch up to the pitcher into thier later years.
As a 50 year Dodger fan, I completely agree. I miss real starting pitching that used to go minimum of 7 innings. I never had to wonder if Tommy John, Don Sutton, Burt Hooton, Charlie Hough, Orel, Fernando, etc...would be able to go 5 innings. Dudes threw complete games and all it took was one shut down starter (Hershiser) to win a World Series. They need to change how they're teaching kids and young men how to pitch. Like Smoltz said, you can't 100% effort on every single pitch.
Who the hell are the Dodgers supposed to start when you have so many starters injured? If you can make a bullpen game work, then why not? What a stupid critique.
Old man complains about the world changing. Move on, nothing to see here. Also, "My Tigers," you're from Ohio, Dan. Don't insult the Tigers fan base by pretending to be one of us. The older he gets the worse this show is.
Completely agree Dan! Especially the part about having command over velo. Love to listen to Smoltz. He knows a helluva lot about pitching, specifically the sequencing. I find that fascinating.
The parade of mediocrities, that the constant rotation of max-effort relievers represents, eliminates the thrill and drama of the great ace hurler, now consigned to a secondary roll. It’s a much degraded form of a formerly great game.
Hard disagree. The constant chess match of managers pitting pitching strength vs batter tendencies is exponentially more fascinating to watch than a single hurler trying to do it all himself. If you have an unstoppable ace (Skubal) that still may be a thing of beauty, but for anything other than a shiny all star, the strategic platoon is WAY more fun, and frankly for a team without studs, far more effective - RESULTING IN BETTER PLAY. It’s not degraded at all. It actually results in a much better product than putting a decent “starter” out there to get worked for 4/5 innings.
All you bums in these comments acting like baseball hasn’t fallen off a cliff in popularity. Sometimes the old man is right when they remember when the sport was great and what made it that way. Modern baseball sucks and most do not care and it’s been this way for a long time now.
Pitch clock and limited throws to the base has made it really fun again. Still wish there was more contact made and that fewer pitchers were used, but nothing beats post-season baseball.
@@nolongerblocked6210 “great observation” he’s complaining that managers aren’t putting their starters out to throw 90 pitches anymore. Who fuckin cares?
