I worked at a classic Mustang restoration and service shop circa 2010. A customer brought in a 65 convertible he just purchased to have some small things addressed. We lifted it on the rack and it was visually bending. The underside was spray foam and fiberglass. Unfortunately for the seller our customer was a lawyer. Within a week he had his money back. Honestly this car is beyond repair from a financial standpoint. From a shop standpoint this is a losing proposition and I wouldn't recommend working on it.
I've had a few cars bend over the years luckily they were in there way to the big scrap yard in the sky. And I absolutely agree it's not financially viable or smart to fix this one
Only way it would be viable is if a big RU-vidr took it on. That has lots of subscribers to where they'd get enough views to more than pay for their time and effort to repair. Sadly this RU-vid channel doesn't have enough subscribers or likes on the video to make it popular enough for it to more than pay for itself.
Most 1960s Mustang convertibles will bend a little bit at the door when put on a lift. Those cars were cheaply built back then. They were a low priced ride. So 50 years later I'm not really surprised
You exposed the cold hard facts to the owner. I'm not in your line of business, but in mine, I quickly learned how to politely decline jobs that were not in my best interest to do. It is all about managing expectations and fairness to you and your customers. Kept my business healthy for twenty years.
Too many shops can't turn down any work because they're broke and need that deposit. KNOWING they don't have the expertise or manpower they need to get some money out of the customer...then the car sits outside for two years.
You’re a good man, glad this popped up on my feed. I’ve been burned by a classic car dealer myself out of Michigan in the past. You’ve got a new subscriber.
Great job on this video. As a former 1960 Falcon owner (or pre-production Mustang!), I can appreciate everything you found. I had an original car with 35000 miles on it and it was in my family, but a 50 to 60 year old car is going to have some structural issues especially the early Ford unibody cars and trucks. Driver side floors, cowl, subframe rust, trunk floor, rear wheel wells and on and on. That Mustang was most likely blown apart pretty far to screw it up that bad. That's the real crime. Luckily the owner was not killed driving to your garage.
That scene in "the blues brothers" were they jump out of the bluesmobile and it completely falls apart. This cars well on the way to repeating that scene.
I'd hate to see that one come into the shop. You're absolutely right, a new shell is the best way to go. The "repairs" on it actually made it worse. It didn't even look like it was that bad to start with, they just rushed it with no regard at all to any kind of quality. I don't even know what to think of that mess. I'll subscribe to your channel to see how it works out. You've got a pile of welding to do just to make it hold up. What a shame
I'm just at the paint stages on a 68 convertible that pretty much started the same way...lipstick on a pig.. I had to start all over and the owner is upside down on it just like you said..30,000 plus in a 10,000 car.. I saved him a ton of money, imagine someone saving this nightmare for 12,500 including paint...he's lucky he's a friend 😂😂 Sellers are getting really getting worse, it's downright dangerous.
The owner should go to the police and also file a report with the state Registry of Motor Vehicles. If it crossed state lines, I’d get the FBI involved. In most states, it’s against the law to sell a car in this condition unless under a “totaled”title.
Never, ever buy anything from Bray Motor. They're the most incompetent flipper in Texas. They bought several cars from dealerships to open a "museum" of mediocre cars that are just old, and in the process they were taken to the cleaners several times. Now, they're desperately looking to unload them on the public. No one in the place, NO ONE has a clue about how to tell even what engine is in them, how to tune anything, and every car hits the ethanol station at Buc-ee's, then the car sits 6 months, and they wonder why it doesn't start anymore. I visited the museum and many vehicles are not SS cars, not 442 cars, not T/A's, and most do not have the original displacement engine. This is just a trailer manufacturer who uses Chinese steel 90% of the time, they know nothing about cars!
How can a guy end up with a terrible car like this. Who buys a car for big money without looking at it. How couldn't he know? Dang that sure sucks for the buyer guy. Hope it works out.
i noticed rot at the bottom the a pillar on the passenger side so the customer better off with a complete shell from dynacorn then use the vin he has on the new shell
Be brutally honest with the owner and advise him to send it to the crusher. It’s beyond help at this point, and he clearly got ripped off by the seller/flipper. Anyone refusing to accept the reality of this dangerous “vehicle” won’t admit that they got taken…
To e honest .. the person that bought this car and still wants it fixed is obviously the type of person these bodgers love .. Well good luck to him/her if she wants to chuck money at a shitheap .. Old stuff done properly is very desirable .. fucked old stuff is exactly what it is .. A fucked Mustang is a fucked Mustang and no amount of nostalgia or " it a 65..Mustang/Camero or whaterver so it MUST be valuable" .. NO Fucked old is not valuable
Hopefully you can make some extra money on your you tube account to help offset the cost of your rustang restoration. Keep the videos coming I look forward to seeing your progress.
I agree with what you said in the beginning, find a donor car. The person that bought this car must be stupid because you pointed out all the garbage, and yet they what to get burned some more!!! Once bitten twice shy!!! There are so many six cylinder mustangs out there today that are so cheap, it would be easy to find a donor!! Thanks for all your hard work sir!!!
A lot easier to find a decent Mustang (hundreds of thousands produced) than, let's say an AMX, Rebel, Cuda, Skylark, F-85, etc. etc. @@rolandthethompsongunner64
Hot rod guy, can a person go after the seller & sue for something like this. It's a shame a person can do a thing like this. Morol of the question is money is a root of evil
OK, the metal work is terrible, the paint is bad, the booger welds suck, but the absolutely unforgivable part is the chrome Autozone special "GT 289" stick on letters!😆
Yes , But ... This Type of Thing , PURPOSELY AND WILLFULLY SCAMMING / CHEATING POOR AND EXCITED UNSUSPECTING PEOPLE ... WITH COMPLETE " BASKET CASE " BUTCHERED CLASSIC CARS ... IS ACTUALLY NOT FUNNY AT ALL ... ! ITS ACTUALLY COMPLETELY F ' N CRIMINAL ... ! AND THE PREVIOUS ORIGINAL SELLER , AND THE SUPPOSED " REPAIR SHOP " OF THESE HORRIBLE / HORRENDOUS CARS ... SHOULD ACTUALLY BE TAKEN TO COURT AND SUED BIG TIME ... ! THERE NEEDS TO BE AN " IRON CLAD " LAW ESTABLISHED AGAINST ANYONE EVEN TRYING TO SELL / PASS OFF SUCH HORRIBLE AND COMPLETELY UNSAFE CARS AND TRUCKS LIKE THESE ... !
I remember buying muscle cars right after I got my driver's license, back then you'd think you got ripped off if it needed a few hundred dollars in repairs. How I would love to have any of them back, especially the 72 firebird
Just found your channel. Was driving behind you coming back from Walmart a coupler hours ago and saw your window sticker (was in the red RAM). You earned a new sub Sir!
Someone got blinded by reasonably shiny paint. You don’t even need a hoist to see all the ridiculous welds and gaps on that thing. I bought my ‘74 Charger knowing that it had some dodgy rust repairs in the ducktail area, but I KNEW it had that. The seller didn’t try to hide it, and the price I paid reflected that. That Mustang? Holy crap, I’ve seen better cars in the wrecking yard. Thanks for the video. You’ve got a new subscriber from Australia! 👍
I just found your channel. I have restored cars for over 30 years and am a retired mechanic in the rust belt of southern Ontario. Do yourself a favour and run away from that car. If you do any work on that car there is no telling where your personal liability will end up. That car is as bad as it gets . Rusty piles of junk are honest and apparent. Cars like this are far worse because to the casual observer they appear solid. We both know a couple of good pot holes, a rough railroad crossing or dumping the clutch is going to tear the back of that car apart . I feel bad for the new owner and I feel bad for you getting involved.
I'm definitely on the fence on even touching it unless he goes the route I want to take. He has another 65 shelll that just needs minor repairs I've urged him to bring it and use what metal can be salvaged out of this car as a donor
He can use that other original body or an Acorn? body that is ALL new, aligned, primed, sealed, ready for bodywork and paint. I see this body costing 100k+ to repair properly with quality patch panels and the labor to do quality assembly of the parts! That's NOT including paint and bodywork! The VIN tag can be swapped LEGALLY and made much more safe to drive. There are only a few, rare option cars, that creates reasons to double your hard earned money into that abomination! Just removing and replacing the janky quarters, fenders, and floor "patches" would be 40k with parts and labor 😡 I get buying your "dream car", that is a NIGHTMARE, NOT a dream. I feel bad for that person, probably my favorite year Mustang! Sad, sad, vehicle for what he probably paid 😢
@@HotRodGuyGarage Honestly, I'd wash my hands of that car. Most of my work has been mechanical, and I've refused to do Mechanical work on cars "fixed" that poorly, or just so rusty they weren't safe. It's your name - and possibly home and everthing you've worked for - on the line here. Lose one customer & save your reputation and everything you've worked your adult life for. Worth losing one customer to me.
My heart skipped a beat when I saw that 1970 or 1971 Ford Torino at the beginning. Those and the small bumper Mavericks have always captured my attention.
Oh my Lord! I had a few body issues with my 1966 Convertible I bought in 2018 - mainly rust holes in the convertible top roof well gutter - which required some expert fabrication, respray etc. She needed a new top anyways, which I knew when I bought her. But the rest of the car was great and the engine/running gear was already a work of art. Looking at this though, my problems were miniscule. I feel for the owner - I know the feeling when you find "the car" and it speaks to you. Sad that this one was a cry for help :( You're a great bloke for caring enough to point all this out and offer the owner practical options.
Just yesterday I saw a video on a 1974 Plymouth that was sold from Mecum’s Auto Sales. It had major flaws with one being that it didn’t have the 340 v8 engine and instead had a 318 v8 engine. Wrong build plates and vin #’s. An absolute Monstrosity !
"I prefer not to buy old cars, no matter their year, make or model. I don't want to deal with repairing hidden issues or worn-out parts. Old cars are usually scrapped because they are beyond repair or restoration. Modern vehicles are better because they handle, brake, heat, cool, and steer better, and require less maintenance. I don't have the time or desire for constant maintenance and adjustments. I believe the best solution is to buy a new, high-quality, warrantied vehicle and maintain it well. When it's no longer usable, I'll junk it and purchase a new one. It's a simple solution."
As a mechanic you'd see the occasional 'flipper nightmare' roll through the shop. One guy brought in his late 60's Mustang convertible one evening for an alignment. The car looked great until I got the car up in the air and realized the rear torque boxes were completely rotted out. The rear suspension was not tied into the car and that was the 'alignment' problem. He told me he had the car redone for big money, he wanted an old car for his daily driver so he spent new car money on it. Needless to say he was pretty upset, and they will try to take it out on the guy trying to show them the problems. I tried to calm him down and remind him I didn't do anything to him, not my fault. Reminded me of this car in the video, sad story.
@@stevieg2755 I've known about Maple Motors for a long time. The sell mostly junk, and they have a tendency to sell "fake" or "clone" cars without explicitly disclosing that they are not the real thing. But I'm pretty sure they would not sell anything like this. They have been around for a long time, and they would have been shut down a long time ago if they sold something this dangerous. I would not buy a car from them, you are going to get scammed, but you are not likely to wind up with something anywhere near this bad.
I’d call the person who sold him this car and tell him I want the good money I paid him for his valuable car back.. and offer him your lawyers number if he’s not being agreeable…..
I'm a bodyman and I woulnd't tackle someone else's mess like that. A 1965 Mustang coupe is nothing special and not worth much. Find a nice donor car and build that.
If you would stop shaking the camera (getting nauseous), and speak English instead of mumbling, I'd watch this. However no, so I am quitting at under 2 minutes in.
This type of work isn't done only by flippers. There are many people in the classic car hobby that are inexperienced, working on a budget, have to worry what the wife says, just want to get it back on the road and are doing this type of stuff. I have seen way too many people who shouldn't be working on old cars because they think it is easy or have been told it is easy. To do a car right it has to be completely gone through in order to be right and safe. Even a nice unrestored car needs to be completely serviced inside and out.
As these older cars start approaching prices that rival new cars people are getting complacent especially with the internet, thinking anything ‘for sale’ has some sort of guarantee or is backed … there’s a reason why the ‘perfect’ ones are starting to rival exotic pricing because they are practically exotics at this point. As they say you get what you pay for 🙃
I feel your pain. I worked at stuff like this for many years. Lots of satisfaction getting the cars put back together correctly. But not a lot of pay for the endless hours spent on them.
Thats why you only restore the cars you own and want to own it till you die that way or cars from customers they pay you a good price for every hour you work and every part you spend on their car and not for package price for your work or body shop...that every single time turn into a money pit and hour grave for the shop and mechanic...good work and good parts cost time,knowledge and MONEY.... And a good restoration and paintjob on a rare car with expensive and super rare parts(if they are buiable...after hours or days..or weeks searching for parts...time for that the customer has to pay too!!! Or If the parts not availible you have to reproduce them them from scratch-not only panels...sometimes you have to cast and mashine a complete cylinderhead or engineblock by youreself...) can easily cost the same like a nice house with a big property or a new supersports or luxury car....i saw people throw the price for a new ferrari,lambo or bentley in old cars like a early vw beetle, vw samba van or old mini cooper.....but they are better than new after leaving the garage and probably last forever with properly maintane and in a good home.....
@@garylivingston9052 what i wrote earlyer to that....enjoy working on youre own car or take the right amount of money for it(actual dealership price for a hour in the workshop- in germany for example are 280-350euros per hour- for everything you do for other peoples old cars...including searching for parts and issues on that vehicle....properly work needs properly -expensive- equipment, knowledge, passion...and time+willing to do it right and best as possible in absolute every thinkable way...best repairmethods, best and/or original and sometimes difficult to get parts....(the mercedes benz classic center in sindelfingen can reproduce every single part thats needed...old pre 1950 cylinderheads for example -when ordered- where handcast ...after old blueprints in the castingmanufacture by mclaren for mercedes and mashined in sindelfingen..... Okay...some cylinderhead or block can cost up to 80k euros-and you need probably two of them for some projects- but you can rebuild almost anything properly....when you get the right money to do it...if not...people get shitty repaired, bondo filled, rust buckets in resell red..... glued together and with weaky point weldings....and pays also "a lot" of money...not for the car itself....but for prepairing it after right....and yes...this hobby is expensive and if you do it not youreself... Every old car repair or restoration -also modells like a old beetle or minis can cost easily more than buying a new dreamcar like lambo or ferrari from factory or buy a house with property....for normal people only makeable if you learn to do it youreself and probably only one car over the whole lifetime....buyed after getting youre first job and finished long after retierement...
Then dont work for free. Tell the customer what it take to do the job right. If they dont like it, move on the next customer. I say that as a restoration shop owner
I worked at a vintage/classic car restoration shop for 27 years. I did mechanical only, no bodywork and paint or interior. But I've seen a lot of stuff like this. It's unbelievable how much of this is out there. I've seen a bunch of Uncle Tony's videos on this stuff, Kiwi's does a lot of videos on it as well. I don't do bodywork, but I wouldn't touch that car with a 10 foot pole. There is no way to fix it right. You're right about it not being straight, and it would be almost impossible to make it straight. The cost of just trying to make it safe to drive would far exceed the value of the car. And if the owner ever does get into an accident in it, and gets killed or seriously injured, and they find out what kind of condition the car is in, you could wind up getting sued. It's just not worth it. I also watch a channel called DD Speed Shop. He is currently in the process of rebuilding a '67 Camaro. And he has replaced about 90% of the metal on the car, including the rear frame rails. But he kept it straight, and it's actually stronger than it was to begin with. And he is an "amateur". I would take any good mechanical parts off this car and crush the rest, so somebody else does not wind up with it. Obviously it's up to the owner, but I would not do any work on it at all. You could be setting yourself up for a real f**ked up day.
I feel so sorry for the buyer, he must be devastated. I plan on buying a classic when I have the money so this is a lesson learned to get an expert to go through the car first.
As a restorer, fortunately living in no rust Arizona, I would not touch that thing. I'm currently doing a Porsche 914, the only thing I replaced was the battery tray.
i always wanted a ford falcon ranchero when i got my licence in the 60's, Its good for kids to fix stuff up themselves no matter how bad their work is.
Tell the people the truth if they subscribe and like this video and you get 50k subscribers you will give the guy a 50% discount on this repair and if they get you up to 100k subscribers and 100k likes you will repair it for free and turn this into a video series.
The truth is I already operate at a 75% discount to anyone else doing this type of work. But if by some miracle this channel actually made money I could help people more with horror shows like this one and make better quality videos
@@HotRodGuyGarage to tell the truth you have enough subscribers. You have to have more than 3000 watch hours to be eligible to be monetized. If you could talk your viewers into subscribing and liking the video. You may start making a profit off of RU-vid. I see this video alone has almost 100k views. And it was interesting enough I watched the full video.
everything is fixable....at a price, yes it will be economic suicide. This kind of car is one for a guy that has some skills and facilities to DIY. My take is that you really are trying to psych yourself up for the job, it is a long and hard road. Best thing to do is for YOU to just flat refuse the job, refer it to someone else, because you are clearly signaling dread and actual absence of a game plan to approach this disaster, your mind has to be ok with this job and it is not coming across that way at all.
Absolutely I've tried to make him aware it's not economical to repair and the cost well exceeds any value , I like to take a few days to think about the road a repair needs to take. It was literally dropped into a full shop schedule so it's not a rush or priority job by any means at this moment.
When I go to classic car shows, I always wonder how much work was put into some of the nice cars. Like, what’s the history? How much body work was put in. Is everything the owner claims as “original” telling the truth and etc. When I go out and buy classic cars, I’m going to buy a vehicle that hasn’t been restored - that is great shape, low mileage, and so forth. It’s scary to go out and spend 10K plus on a car that has been fully restored looking trophy winning. That is why I’m probably never going to really buy a fully restored car that has had a full off frame resto as tempting as it is. Thank heavens I also know what I’m looking for when I’m shopping for a classic car. I’ve been buying and selling classic cars for a long time and all my cars I’ve owned, knock on wood, were all original, intact, in great shape! I feel bad for the guy who bought this Stang, but the person has a lot to learn and I assume he must be a young guy probably excited about this vehicle - probably his first purchase.We all have to begin somewhere at some point, but when I was young, just out of high school, I already knew what I needed to do - DO YOUR HOMEWORK!
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This is one of those "cut your loses ASAP and move on" situations. this particular car is not worth a half way fix, it either needs to be completely torn down and professionally redone (which in this case is cost prohibitive since there are thousands of other 65 Mustangs out there in a lot better shape. The new owner needs to chalk it up to a loss for his inexperience and move on..I know it sounds harsh but it will actually save him a lot of money in the future. As a mechanic I would not even take on such a mess... way too much liability and headaches.
The best thing when buying a “restored” or previous repaint classic vehicle is having a restoration shop or someone who really knows classic cars look at it! This is more important than a mechanic at this point. Body work on a classic can easily far outweigh the cost of drivetrain parts
that is some bad stuff right there, i can tell you're almost in tears, that's an insurance right off because it would fail an MOT instantly in the U.K and you should never buy a car without an MOT anyway.
We have a classic car dealer locally that does work like this. Unfortunately they have a decent reputation because most of their customers are retirees or otherwise people who don't know what to look for. Took me less than 5 minutes on their lot to discover that this was the type of vehicle they were selling. Also had a customer bring in a 67 gto they purchased. Only to find the car had been halved. Literally cut in half and a different rear half of a car booger welded on. We broke the news to him
Same thing happened to me with a 79 Trans Am (that was half 77 Formula…), but it was a very cheap roller (back in college). That was all my savings then so I was devastated! Can’t imagine finding that to be the case on a very high dollar “restored” car.
I feel bad for the new owner. He got robbed. I think the safest/best thing to do to fix this is to buy a new 1965 body and rebuild it. Unfortunately, that is very expensive. Hope everything works out for the owner.
