DANGEROUS new trend in internet table saw videos? You decide... 

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I have a copy of "Getting the most out of your Circular Saw" from 1937 which was published by Delta showing all manner of techniques to be performed on their Unisaws. It shows in detail how to cut coves by traversing the workpiece across the blade, cutting curves by using a curved fence and gradually raising the blade, creating mouldings with ancillary cutterblocks, and even making barley twist spindles. You wouldn't see that in a modern saw owner's manual!

Mechanical engineer here: I like your explanation for why putting pressure on the side of the teeth is negligible haha. Really puts it in perspective. One thing I can add is that if you think of how fast each tooth is going (140mph?) and then think of how fast you are pushing the wood into the blade (1 inch per second let's say, which is .06 mph), that means the velocity relative to the tooth is 0.023 degrees from the centerline. So yeah. Negligible.

Jim, I always appreciate your common sense approach to subjects. I also really like the fact that you help us woodworkers think through things. Thank you so much for covering this topic and clearing the air over what is and isn't safe to do in this case and with woodworking tools of all types. GREAT JOB!

I really enjoy how this channel teaches important safety and critical thinking attitude. There's plenty of channels that show how to make a particular piece but not many deal with the questions you discuss.

Love your honesty and no knots approach to answering the internet’s most triggering questions. You do it professionally and never take the “poke the hornets nest” approach. You are not a shizam talker nor a mud slinger. You are straight grained quarter sawn oak; reliable, trustworthy, true to yourself, and look best after a slathering of BLO and freshly rubbed out coat of wax. Keep it up my friend. As always, Thanks -CYC

I love how your videos are always very clearly enunciated, efficient/succinct, and just generally well lit, well edited and a joy to watch. Thank you for producing the content you make!

I'm pleased you did this video. I have been using a number of cross blade techniques (mostly coves ) for many years. The secret for me is to use the heaviest, thickest (best?) cross cut type blade you can get, and to go only as fast as the saw will accept easily. Great Video!

I like this technique - I remember seeing Izzy do it long ago and thought it a genius method to produce needed round sticks. But I also recognize Izzy and James' skill-sets, talents and experience levels are up here (arm fully extended above head) while I am the first to admit my own skills are down here (stepping on my fingers). If you aren't feeling comfortable, DON'T. I love observing the talent of others when I'm barely qualified to drive the Possum Lodge van. Well done, Professor Hamilton. I value the challenge to stretch my skills.

I sincerely love this channel. You don't take unnecessary risks when working with power tools and you stress the importance of protecting yourself in the process. Thank you so much for this. I don't do woodworking, but I enjoy watching it done, but I find myself anxious a lot of the time when I see people working with it, because they don't usually talk about the steps they take to protect themselves. I'm sure most of them are taking steps, they just don't discuss them in the video.

It certainly puts it in perspective when you said the tooth is moving at about 140 mph. As a kitchen fitter I used to have a table saw but about 10 years ago I invested in a rail/plunge saw and got rid of the table saw as I felt the rail system was way safer for what I needed. The safety advice you give is very clear I just wish some others on RU-vid followed safer practice because some have their hands well into the danger zones and often reach over a spinning blade. If someone new to a table saw sees bad practice and mistakenly thinks it’s safe to do something those spinning blades will take no prisoners 😢

Best two question safety evaluation I have ever heard.

I have now officially caught up on all of your videos. The amount of knowledge you have to pass on is mind blowing! I just started getting into wood working a little over a year ago. Most projects so far were made from old nasty plywood at my job to improve organization in the warehouse. I used these projects for learning and making my mistakes since they don’t have to look pretty, just function and hold up. Now I’m getting ready to start making nice stuff for the house, starting with a nice stove cover for something semi simple to test my ability to make something pretty AND functional.

Great video. I enjoyed Tamara’s video using this jig and I really appreciate your well explained videos on safety kickback etc. for those of use with limited space who could never justify a lathe for the limited use it would get the ability to safely use what we have in new ways is always a great thing.

Another good video James. I have all 10 digits (possibly thanks to you) but I appreciate not just blindly following safety advice but understanding the why and what could happen so I can make my own decisions before making a cut.

As usual you're a wealth of knowledge and advice. I try to never miss a video and have used plenty of your tips and tricks and you've never steered me wrong.

I love your videos. Your talent and restraint at handling comments is nothing less than extraordinary. Rivaled by your general skill at woodworking. For bowl carving I’ll stick with a scorp! 😂. No way I trust myself that much!

Experience with your saw is number 1 ... and comfort knowing yours and its limits. I've done the long cove cuts, and bowl turning, but never had need for making a dowel. Thanks for sharing 🇨🇦

i am never disappointed watching one of your vids. you explain it well you use video to help explain (a picture is worth a thousand words) the subject matter is always timely

A great explanation of the how and why these practices are reasonably safe.👍👍Thank you for sharing. Have a great day and stay safe.🙂🙂I think it would be relatively easy to duplicate the fixture for turning cylinders. I would have to put some thought into the fixture for turning a bowl. It sure could be handy for producing a matched set of bowls though.😀😀

I listen to you, Izzy Swann and follow Tamar. You always tell us to keep safe and alert. I would try these techniques if I felt comfortable doing it. Great video. Well worth saying.

Always love the "Teach a person to fish" approach you take.

when I talked to a finish crew doing custom milled trim on a table saw, they told me that doing it with a standard blade is not a good idea, but it's easy to get a blade that is designed for milling. the reason for that - the teeth on a milling blade are designed to cut material coming from the side, so it cuts more efficiently.

Those jigs looked pretty safe to me. Lots of room for any error and still not going to hurt anyone.

Whenever there’s an uproar, Stumpy is here to rationalize (or destroy) the issue. My favorite channel for good information!

What i like about your channel is the health and safety aspect of working with tools. You cover everything. I've seen a few of these videos so I'm looking forward to what you have to say

Been using this method for cutting pool cue shafts on special, built converted table saw for 20 years. Never a problem. Actually, many cue makers have done it this way for years and years.

Glad I found this, because I wondered about that particular use of a table saw. Thanks for clearly, concisely explaining how it works and what to watch for!

I really do love how, when Jim speaks, he is relaxed, eloquent, and fluent, and it doesn't seem like he's reading from a script. But at no time do you ever hear him hesitate, say 'err' or 'um', or say 'like' as so many people do nowadays..."Like, the blade is like, turning at like, many thousand RPM's and could easily like, cut your fingers off. Like, ouch!" You're a class act Jim. You put many of us to shame.

I once watched two cabinet makers use a skill saw as a table saw. They forgot their table saw back at their shop, so rather than drive back into town grab the correct tool. One man grabbed the skill saw held it upside down and fired it up, the other man took his sheet of mdf and ran it overtop of the skill saw. I took a picture for myself and family to enjoy and wondered why they didn’t just set up the material on their saw horses and use the skill saw as intended.

Thanks for your explanation. I love finding useful, innovative and safe ways to use my tools. I know you've heard the complaints when people make a jointer out of a handheld planer, or when you clamp your belt sander upside down on the workbench for a long session of shaping. Keep up the good work and the flow of truthful information!

I've used this method freehand on a cheap tablesaw to make fence braces for farm fence. Fence builder guys were amazed at how well it worked and how simple it was to do. Drill a hole in the vertical posts and insert. No extra nails/screws/bolts - just held in place by tension from the wire.

Excellent video SN & I totally agree with you. As long as one strictly follows all of the safety procedures, they should not have any problems. 👍👍

As usual, clear, concise info. Thanks for doing what you do.

Love the Risk Analysis: Reckless vs. Reasonable. That's gold. Great vid

When you said 4,000 a second my first thought was “240,000rpm, dear god!!!” took me a second to realize my error lol

Wonderful information to present very useful information on safety of the table saw and how to present that there very useful jigs for making projects safely. Thank you for sharing, everyone stay warm, safe, happy and healthy. From Henrico County Virginia

Your preaching the value of the U.S. Army risk management model: Identify possible risks: For each risk… What is the worst that can happen; What’s the likelihood it will happen; What mitigation can you implement; What is the residual risk; Is the residual risk acceptable; Repeat if necessary

Love this run down on safety of these techniques. Keep up the good work. 👍

Good video, even though I'm not planning on using a table saw to turn furniture legs or bowls anytime soon. I recently saw Izzy Swan's video about his top 10 most badass jigs and the lathe jig was one of them. As for safety, the biggest thing is to have patience and take your time. If something doesn't go as planned its easy to get frustrated and start rushing and that's when something bad happens. If something unexpected happens, better to turn off the saw and step back and evaluate. In addition to safety, wood costs money and I'd like to do a project without having 5 or 6 failures on the scrap pile.

Man, I really appreciated the way you approach the issues and explain things, thanks for your videos, as a newbie to carpentry they have helped me a lot, greetings from Mexico

I really enjoy the thought you put into these videos and the information youre able to communicate.

James- as always, excellent video. I like your focus on safety. And of course, I really like the video background view. It will become Exhibit A in my argument to my wife that there is no such thing as too many clamps.

0:46; "Is best determined by asking yourself two questions": And here they are: "Do you feel lucky"; and "Well, do you, PUNK?"

Cove crown on the table saw pits a lot more stress on the blade than this and I’ve never heard of a problem doing that. I’ll also cut curves out of framing lumber for curved doorways. They actually used to make a cupped blade just for cutting curves in a circ. One for each direction you could cut the curve. And a blade that was 3 triangles to cut curves in framing lumber.

I totally agree "If something doesn't feel right don't do it". I recently stopped using a small circular saw and am considering buying bit and brace for simple DIY drilling jobs because I have an unexplained problem with my hands that has made them weaker and less coordinated. I just don't feel safe any more.

Love the way you break things down 👍

Fantastic, James! Thanks! 😊 Honestly, I'd worry more about the making of the jig itself than the use of it. Things like don't putting big steel screws in the path of the blade, for example... Those can cause problems. 😬 Anyway, stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊

Highly articulate presentation.

Thanks for all the information you put out. Most people do not understand what you talk about

Great video, table saw scares the hell out of me so I won't be doing any of this stuff but I'll recommend it to my friends lol.

Very well presented and informational James. Thank you.

I like your take and breakdown on this "method" of table saw use. The Jigs are the biggest help in this use. Helps with repeatable operation and size! Ahem.... I am going to stay away from making regular "dowels", ie: 1/4" and larger on the table saw.... I'll stick with the pencil sharpener style; Less spinning parts in the operation!

I used this technique to make some tapered round legs for a small side table I was making (I don't have a lathe). The only issue I ran into was posting a short video of the cut on the woodworking subreddit! Wow. You know what they say about opinions.

Good video, if someone is concerned about the lathe jig and the workpiece shattering it would be easy to make a cover over the top. A greater safety issue might be pushing the jig too far and exposing the blade, a simple stop could eliminate that concern.

Another well explained video on a topic that can be confusing to many to gather what is valid vs. shady Internet sourced information. IMHO... like using a router, you need to be wise, careful and do not try to take off too much material at once (use several passes).

Your thumbnail was too helpful. I thought: "Oh, I'd better watch this just in case... Huh. Nope, that's incredibly dumb. No way I'll ever do that. No need to watch the video." :)

You can even get purpose-made cove-cutting table saw blades that are thicker and have radiused edges. Not that a normal blade won't do it, but blade made for it can safely take heavier cuts.

Learned this working in a cabinet shop 20 years ago. We would position the axis of rotation to the side of the blade, and use the blade tilt to control the diameter of the rotating part. It's hardly a new idea.

Agreed, the table saw is dangerous. I have cut many circles on the table saw but I do it the right way.With a center pin and cutting only about 1/8 if an inch at a time. It kinda fun!!!! I'm going to have to go back and watch the video on making a bowl...

Thanks for the sensible conversation.

Rational thought process. Asking the second question. Perfect.

I've used a variation of this technique using a router, the jig was fixed, the piece was rotating and the router sat on a recessed grove and was able to move up and down the length of the piece. It was very effective. I didn't even think that I could do it with a table saw like this. I like the router method better.

I've related it to using the trenching feature on chop saws for half lap joints, at the end I've always gone side to side to clean up the cut after all the reliefs are made. I would not ever try to remove all the wood at once going side to side but it cleans up fine when the reliefs have been made.

Another great video. I’m eager to try this out. Thanks!

Great informative vid! Thanks for sharing!

I made one of the RU-vid table saw/drill spindle making jigs. It easily cuts it down in one pass. Quite fascinating to watch. I was to make double tapered chair stretchers. Has a great finish as well. Not much sanding required. You can tilt the blade into the piece to fine tune the diameter.

I really liked the cove cutting. That was new to me. I'd like to see more of that before trying it.

STUMPSTER talkin’ logic, common sense, and looking out for our safety, so we can do great work. 👊😀

Hey StumpyNubs, I'm replacing some exterior trim on my parents house. This trim was primed with Cover Stain Oil based primer (multiple layers) and then an exterior acrylic enamel. The trim was in terrible shape, in many areas it was rotted so much that only the paint shell remained and where there was still wood it was wet and spongy (The trim seemed to be painted well too, back primed and primed on the butt ends.) The last rain we had had was multiple weeks prior, which brings me to my question. Would using a primer that is more vapor open (higher perm rating is what we call it for other building products) help extend the life of the exterior trim? If so what type of primer might you use on your project?

I would also argue this is a safer way to prepare wood for the lathe, most of the sketchy things I have experienced while working on the lathe are in the beginning with a square piece of wood. This also allows for the maximum workpiece for the lathe. Thanks!

Stumpy - thanks for sharing your thoughts, and agree with you. Any one see the safety issue @4:12? Seriously... running a table saw lathe with a hoodie!?!?! Hanging on every shop door in middle and high-school - No Loose Fitting clothing, necklaces, cords, ties, watches, worn beyond this point.

I've used that technique to make a cove, when I was matching details in a bedroom set in a built-in armoire. It seemed reasonably safe to me.

Thank you for clearing this up.

I've made all kinds of jigs to move parts diagonally across the blade. You just have to make sure the part is held securely, take shallow cuts, watch your feed speed and use a standard thickness blade (not a thin kerf blade). Be careful and you shouldn't have any issues, but always be prepared in case something goes wrong.

Loved the video. I’m making me some bowls 👍. As a side note, I’ve seen some companies require gloves when using power tools, even for the table saw. Do not wear gloves or have sleeves when operating a table saw. If your clothing or glove gets caught, the blade will pull it in with your body part with it.

I’m not even a woodworker, but that was informative and well reasoned, very nice video sir

I’ve just started making one of these dowel jigs so good to see this video

I love what you said. Sometimes when it comes to internet trends its like watching an episode of Good Idea and Bad Idea.

Great video and explanation. I made my first cove cuts few months ago was pretty easy I felt save. Turning a leg I would say right jig right blade take your time should be safe and fun ( I dont own a lathe and wont buy one wife may one day she kinda wants one ) to me table saw would really be more accurate with right jig and time and care taken. But as always in woodworking always more than one way to do things just what tools you have and how you approach it just remembering you want you eyes and fingers after job done.

table saws are inherently dangerous. ALL power tools are dangerous. stepping outside to check your mail has risk. driving is VERY dangerous. the key is to be alert, and always focus on the task at hand. I have used table saws to cut covers for several decades, and never had an issue, because I pay attention, and work within the limits of my tool. I really appreciate that way you present things like this. you admit there is some risk, but discuss mitigation. good video.

"Mom, can we have a lathe?" "No, we have a lathe at home." The lathe at home:

Cue makers have converted table saws to dowel turning or tapering machines for a long time. Those shafts are held in with less force than the examples in the video, but the passes are so fine that the force on the blank spinning is minimal.

Thanks for sharing those tips and the make!

I'm glad you addressed the wear on the saw/blade. I was concerned about that. The bowl jig scares the heck out of me, though. Especially when cutting the inside - what happens if something causes the bowl to crack/shatter? Your hands are now directly over the blade without any protection. Probably wouldn't ever happen, but it would be nice to find a way to use the jig without your hands in that position.

I build medical devices for a living, and your two questions are similar to the FDA's guidelines for determining safety levels: 1) What is the probability of a hazardous situation occurring, and 2) What is the probability of the hazardous situation leading to harm? You answer those questions, assess the risks, and mitigate them if you can; if the probabilities are high and you can't mitigate the risks, then you just don't do it.

Thanks for sharing James. Stay safe and keep up the good videos. Fred.

I've made long cove molding using this technique. The key is to take very shallow cuts until you reach your desired depth. You cannot do this on a lathe

I have also seen jigs for using a router in the same way (notably by JSK Koubou: he's made some great videos), giving more flexibility in shaping the turned item.

It's the only tool that scares me. This is a good encouraging video. My problem actually comes from wood shop in high school...long story. I have to use table saws, but I'm timid every time. That makes me unsafe.

I think it’s as always a question of balance. Feeding speed is maybe crucial. Don‘t spin your piece too fast (lateral pressure) and don’t advance too quick (again lateral pressure by too much material hitting the teeth per second).

I've made thousands of plunge cuts into timber with a hand held circular saw and then cleaning off those narrowly spaced cuts with horizontal action to create a

Tamar puts out some good videos. I didn't see problem with her making those legs like that, probably because I seen Izzy do it a few years back which was the name I couldn't remember while watching Tamar's video. Thanks for the reminder.

hey! If I want to remove paint from wood, an angle grinder would be a good choise?

"Just the tip." "It would take a fair bit of pounding to make that thing break free."

The speed of each of the saws teeth and the slow-ish rotation of the wood being turned surely results in the blade cutting away the approaching wood as it normally does, long before the rotation has a chance to impart much of a sideways force. You should get the Slowmo Guys to do a high speed video to see....

Those cove cuts are genius

I've used two different jigs to cut tenons for log furniture one for a table saw and one for a chop saw Both were hand turned and had to be fed slow.

Two things to always consider and keep in mind; speeds and feeds!

I have to say I have seen these before and agreed the application was for the most part safe. However I simply just can't bring myself to do it. I never had a reason to do those techniques either, and to be honest, I more than likely wouldn't. That is more of a comfort level for me personally but great video on it.