As expected, the comments of TRACK PACK are coming in. Yes, the Track Pack is (hopefully) solving the issue of LETHAL stock brakes (which were changed on this car). HOWEVER, the disasterous suspension remains unchanged with the track pack. The car loses every balance if it's not traveling straight under acceleration. It makes unpredictable movements. Great for the straights, but no way the Nürburgring Lap Time was set with a stock car. To all the Plaid owners: enjoy the car on the straight roads and some tracks with run off. Bumpy surfaces like the Nordschleife will send you in the wall unexpectedly.
A developer said there has been upgrades to the suspension in the most recent models, although only with the setup I think. Still fully agree with your statement. Can't fckin put a 1000 HP drivetrain in a 400 HP capable car.
I would still give the track package a run for its money if you get the chance to since Tesla is claiming different settings in the track mode and the different dynamics of the car having a different unsprung weight. Probably wouldn’t be day and night difference but they keep tweaking the cars going off the factory line constantly.. An early -22 Model Y for instance has fundamentally different suspension to a late -22 Model Y with softer dampening.. That being said - The Green Hell is a different ball game compared to other tracks.. AutoTopNL praised the car during their tests at Paul Ricard.
And a lot of people say that the plaid is better than the taycan lol. No doubt the taycan is 100x better engineered and is just better even with 400hp less
@@danielbukowski AutotopNL driver is the most hamfisted driver I've ever seen, look at him constantly sawing left-right on the steering on any car he drivers even in a straight line, and also Paul Ricard doesn't have a single bump on it.
@@stairfall12345678900dont forget that Americans don’t worry about what your ancestral country is. If you’re from India, you move here, become a citizen, and live & work in America, you’re American. Everyone in America is technically from somewhere else so the whole “ethnic purity” that Europeans are concerned with doesn’t apply here.
The imbalance between ultra-massive acceleration and rather average cornering of the car makes it appear like a badly tuned car in Gran Turismo on Playstation where you put all your money into maximum power, but forget about suspension.
@@videojeroki Not an excuse. Plenty of very heavy cars that still handle properly, including the Taycan S for example, which is even heavier, and just as fast despite 350hp less, so that tells you how much better it handles. Also the M5 CS, Panamera Turbo S and GT63 AMG all posted faster times on the Nurburgring than the Tesla Plaid official lap time, despite all having like 400+ hp less and being heavier. Yes, heavier, a Panamera Turbo S is heavier, 400hp weaker, yet still faster. Tells you about how bad Plaid handling is.
@@derbigpr500 I agree with you. It is all about engineers decisions at the end. they may have chosen to not make sacrifices on the confort and stay on a given budget. Even though the Cayen you mentioned might be confortable too.
@@videojeroki Its simply just not Engineered for it. The car is great for 0-200kmh fun and being quiet/comfortable from point A to B. It's not Engineered for track or enthusiastic driving as much as Tesla / Elon make it out to be. In my eyes, it really speaks volumes on Mercedes, Porche, and BMWs Engineering - the electric cars are more comfortable, performative, and "lively."
@@sebastiencomtet9542 ...And was that a nice experience? I answered in Japanese, to show you how much of a hassle it is for others, to get a translation from your RU-vid comment. And It also only works in the Browser, if you're in the app on a phone you can't select and copy the text.
It's really boring that G meter on the screen! I like. The one from Porsche much better plus it has some kind of shade when it's moving to really show you even better
Normal people: "Hey Misha, I want you to drive my car to see how awesome it is!" Sebastian: "Hey Misha, come drive my car to see how dangerous it is!" xD
I took my Model S Plaid to the track. It was like you said, nothing impressive. That being said, this is my DD. It's simple folks: You either have a good road car or a good track car. There are no in-betweens. The better you make it for the track - the worse it is for the street. I track my Urquattro. It has a licence plate, but the thing is so modded for the track that it's a PITA for any "daily driving". I love my Plaid for a family car. Great comfort, lots of power, epic infotainment, great app, nice suspension, etc etc. I take my kid to kindergarten in great comfort and safety and to work. In the weekends it get me to the cabin or other places we are visiting like any other premium car. The difference is I can out accelerator any car on the road, overtake other cars in seconds and all other things that come with having a Plaid as a daily :) I wouldn't change it (for daily driving) for anything else to be honest.
@@Therrannor that’s a lot of Kms I used to do 22k miles a year and that was more than I cared for, it’s just boring mileage on crap motorways in the UK He’s done 17k kms sonxe December in one car plus his others so 40-50k kms a year at least
one of the first sane Tesla owners ive seen. Thanks for showing this :D RU-vid shorts have made me wonder what kind of people that owns Tesla, but this man seems to be a legend.
@@sebastiencomtet9542 Puis il a modifié les pneus pour des "boudins" plus épais. Pas sûr que ce soit aussi désastreux avec des tailles basses d'origine...
I spoke to my Tesla buddy on Saturday and he said still has no update on the track mode feature requests we made a while back, but it did go to the right team and they know it’s from you so fingers crossed it gets picked up.
@@Putersdcat But like... This car. The whole car.. Was supposed to show off what Tesla can do. How fast they can be on a track. Why should they even need a track pack. Maybe this is considered cool for America, but over in Europe they have different standards. A bit like those castles in Disney World. Over in Europe they look kinda silly because we actually got castles over here.
Thanks to this french guy for letting Misha drive his Plaid. I always thought that Tesla’s aren’t meant for track days, but it’s always nice to see how it behaves on the Ring. He’s being honest too, nice to hear his opinion.
Considering how quickly people accelerate away from a stop light these days, 0-60 is everything for them apparently. People would get better fuel mileage / range if they just eased up on their lead foot. 🤣
It's funny how the Model S is basically an EV muscle car, just like American cars of old. It's got all the power and drives great until you try talking a corner at speed. I wonder how the 800v cars do, they should keep the power for longer. Especially looking forward to Taycan Turbo S, lucid air sapphire and Ioniq 6 N.
800v helps with the motor and inverter (and charger, etc), but doesn't change the voltage (or internal resistance) of the cells themselves (lithium ion, 3.7v nominal, 4.2v full), which is the limiting factor in heat generation in this case. Having said that, cooler running motors and inverters should mean more of the total cooling power can be dedicated to the battery. Race EVs will benefit more focus on overall cooling, but also from cells with lower internal resistance during high output, and we can expect Porsche and other performance brands to pursue this. Tesla not so much, since its cells are optimized for cost and mass market, and it is not (yet?) the kind of company to develop special custom cell chemistry for a small number of cars.
@@MRAWES0ME510 still not really a track car no matter what they do to it. 2 laps, 3 at most then you have to charge for an hour lol. Good for lap records and the 1/4 mile though.
If they had some kind of robot battery swap system from the undercarriage you could see them being fully charged again faster than a racing fuel stop but that’s probably a long way off especially for consumers. I remember it being considered as an Elon pipe dream at charging stations where you drive over a battery swap station and leave with a whole new battery.
As, I'm sure, some have mentioned, Unplugged Performance in California has many, many parts for Tesla, but not everyone wants to modify their suspension to such an extent. They do have stainless steel brake lines for the Model S Plaid.
Am I hallucinating, or did the tire pressure climb from 2.5 to 3.2 bar in the course of that first lap? Goes to show you just how much stress they were under.
That's just due to the weight. Tire heat and degradation happen more and faster. The sad thing was how hot the battery got under this use. I have a sneaky feeling the motors weren't as cool as the graphic claimed. It's only going to take one of these stupid battery golf carts burning on the ring for all EVs to be outlawed. Probably wouldn't be a bad idea to do it proactively and avoid a huge repair boll on the track.
@@billcichoke2534 worst take lol. Cars drop oil all the time, catch fire, crash etc. They may invest in EV extinguishing vehicle, but probably not even that.
@Mies van der Lippe Uh-huh. Tell me which crash of an ICEV is hot enough to melt the asphalt, or takes tens of thousands of liters to pause, but starts up again until ALL the battery materiel is cobsumed...along with whatever's around it. Haven't found one yet. Plenty of EVs; not one petrofuel car.
@@MiesvanderLippe Have you ever actually seen a lithium battery catch fire? It’s really not comparable to a fuel fire. Like at all. It’s WAY worse. I don’t think tracks will ever ban them but acting like they are somehow comparable in terms of potential damage is just ignorant.
22:42 Seb started with 88% charge just before he launched it, so 35% ‘burnt’ down to 53%, your lap started at 52% so I’m thinking circa 27% when you finish your lap.
The reason it gets so hot on the second lap is from the heat build up from the 60% regen. The valves struggle to cool the pack efficiently on the charge cycle. If Misha had been allowed at least 10-20% regen option, the battery would not have been as heated. On the Model 3, the Airconditioning switches to blowing warm air out when you go down a huge bridge at speed. Suggesting at similar huge heat output on regen as the cars share the cooling power with aircon. In the standard model S it’s about 75kw on max regen. And the plaid now has two of those up front. So 60% of two 75kw input is 90kw charge. Which is even more power than many standard chargers and stepping close to being supercharged. Of course I have no idea of the actual plaid numbers but I would think this is the reason for the faster heat handicap we saw on the second lap
I’ve driven a model x plaid and although not a model s I totally agree with everything these gentlemen have described. The car is simply too overpowered and needs help in the suspension, brake and aero dept. The air suspension ends up giving you a somewhat disconnected feeling with the car. On hard acceleration the car struggles to stabilize with all the instantaneous torque delivery. Of course the stock brakes melt like soft butter without decent pads and fluid. The seats have zero support. Great daily driver and fun to impress your friends once in a while launching the car but honestly I got dizzy/headaches every time I did that with the model x plaid that I drove so not as fun as it sounds.
as a GenX not hearing a engine gives me willies, but dang that thing can go, almost 250 before bridge i dont think any car on this channel has gone that fast has it?
I have also taken my Tesla (completely stock) around the Nurburgring, and you definitely feel the weight of the car on a track. It feels like driving a super-charged bus and the brakes faded about halfway around. It was great fun, but I would much prefer to go around in an ICE car.
did you try on standard suspension height? i know it's counter intuitive, but with an air spring, you effectively lose spring rate as you go lower. it might help a little, but probably not by much. thanks for the videoo :)
@@graynewell Because the Nordschleife is very bumpy. On a stiff suspension you would be bouncing around severely and be struggling with traction even more.
@@utubemember525 the Tesla is too soft regardless of what mode, it needs to be stiffer to handle rolls in sudden movements in corners, but not too stiff due to the bumpy track
What gets me is how fast that Battery drains. The Tesla's are amazing for around town use. Electric cars on the track? Seem like the Swedes got this one down pat.
I loved his ability to break down the settings and how he had dialed them in for driving on the track. I mean, as dialed as they can be. The feeling of 0 regenerative breaking and the car just sort of rolling on its own with a ton of momentum when you let off the gas would indeed be unsettling I bet.
@@darekmistrz4364 I would say the opposite, I would rather drive with zero regen... to each their own. In any case, when it came to the older models, I think it overheated more easily when adding more regen, maybe thats still the case and the reson why they did it.
too much regen and the battery overheats faster and the "one-pedal" driving is a bit jarring when you release the accelerator completely; too little and you're completely relying on incapable brakes. seems the owner found the sweet spot he was comfortable with. frustrating that Tesla engineers didn't put in a bigger radiator and better brakes to handle racetrack conditions.
Because germans know that a car needs twice the braking power than it has to accelerate. Tesla only wants to impress the fanboys with strsight line acceleration and useless quirks, so they forgot about anything else.
I can imagine this is quite a dangerous car to drive for anyone unexperienced, the straight line performance really out weighs the cornering capabilities.
Something people need to consider is the price. You get the worlds fastest product car for under $140.000 instead of spending 200-400 thousand for the competition (or even 2 million). Just buy some Recaro seats and you’re good 👍
People brag about the 0-60 but all I see is a €100k+ car that needs investing into brakes, suspension, tires and even seats to start being enjoyable on track... I simply don't get it. Gotta say it looks good with those wheels and color tho, owner has taste.
Battery percentage dropping like a stone, battery overheating after one lap, massive power loss, hauling around over 2 tonnes which you have described as dangerous - what’s actually good about this car other than it’s single lap blistering acceleration? No idea how much it costs but it’s not for me.
@@safakhan3088 as I said it's great IF you enjoy those things. It's not for me, but if I had several cars I think it would be a good grocery getter that I don't have to worry about warming up, filling up, or maintaining engines with.
What people may not be aware of is that NBA legend Michael Jordan never played in the shoes he sold. They were completely different shoes made to externally look like his shoes on the shelf. To the consumer will they know the difference? Same with cars. Manufacturers are banking most consumers will never reach the limits of stock parts to question, “Hmm, maybe they used modified parts in their tests” when performance limits are reached. Basically, keep expectations in check.
I took a Plaid with the Ohlins suspension out on the track and it was night and day compared to stock. Really should have better suspension from the factory to match the power, maybe in the future. Hope to see you drive one properly modified!
I mean I get why they don't offer it standard. It's a luxury sedan it's not really designed to do this. Hopefully they offer better suspension in a track package in the future.
People need to understand again this is NOT a track focused car it is a semi luxury family sedan with air suspension. Grade it for what it is rather than what it's not. Most if not all sedans in its class won't be any better or probably worse put in a track environment.
I doubt I am the only person to mention this, but did you/Seb forget to let the air pressure out of the left front tire or was the sensor misreading? I’m sure having one of your front tires .4 bar over-pressured wouldn’t improve your handling.
I’ll always remember my first ride and launch in the og Tesla roadster when it came out, and all the other fast ones up to the plaid. Electric cars are really cool, but currently they need a bit more work before they would fulfill the role of a track car for me. I’ll keep my Miata and Camaro for as long as possible.
@@pcsullog half the world will apologize for not knowing english already, we can take 5 seconds to open translate on our handheld super computers if we really care
@@pcsullog ya i mean no offense to you i was having a shit, i just found it ironic cause the video is in a place where english is a minority, but you are right fs
@P as Peter Dude, they probably just clicked the translate button that appears under everyone's comment that isn't in your chosen language if they're using the app. I don't believe it's that serious.
If you check the previous lap the pressure goes up and stay up that front left disc must have been white hot and didn't cool down thus the heat dissipating through the wheel kept the tyre pressure up from heat expansion
I don't particularly like Tesla's... but I feel that complaining about Tesla's brakes and seats on a racetrack is like complaining about the McLaren P1's comfort level or the lack of storage capacity of the Koenigsegg Agera. It's just not what they were meant to be. If you want to make a Tesla a track-worthy car, you'll HAVE to modify it. I once flipped a 20oz steak on my barbecue with tweezers, it worked but was sub-optimal. LOL
The problem is braking on the autobahn from 250 plus kph! Even at 160 kph on the carwow video the car could not brake in a straight line from that speed! You can’t defend the brakes on this car, it shouldn’t be legal on a thing this quick!
A very heavy car on a very bumpy track with struts as a suspension and barely workable almost stock brakes.. I am glad you drove within the very low limits of the stock suspension. With all the power this electric car makes, this must have been terrifying at every corner. Especially the downhill ones where the brakes and suspension both decided they had enough way too early, and you were still blasting into the corner. The Plaid is an interstate blaster not a Nurburgring go getter. Two really excellent laps. The owner clearly knew the car and the track and did a fantastic job of pushing it to it's limits. The second driver also showed a massive respect for the cars limits and his own lack of experience in the car. Like trying to race a loaded pickup truck around the Nurburgring. Great video.
7m 35.58S at an average speed of 164.615 kph is fastest lap for Tesla Model S Plaid. Pretty impressive when you think about the Corvette C8 Z51 fastest lap is 7m 29.9S.
With AWD and close to double the power, admittedly a lot more weight, but the Green Hell is also a very high speed track, so I don't think it's that impressive in all honesty, especially as it wasn't stock.
@@TqmmPl I will never buy an Alfa Romeo again, when i lived in Sweden the Dealer network was horrible, here in southeast Asia it is non-existent. Alfa also has a track record of being very unreliable.
I guess we will see lots of these unfortunately wrapped around trees then. This is the problem with the super acceleration on EVs. There is more to driving than straight line acceleration. I would by EV for a daily to save on fuel. But I will keep my combustion performance for the weekends.
Tesla Model S Plaid curb weight: 2162kg Audi RS7 Sportback: 2065kg And that RS7 only gets a 0-100 time of 3.4 seconds, a long range Model S does that in 3.2 seconds and it's lighter than the Plaid at 2069kg. Literally no heavier than the ICE car.
The way Misha say's "this is stupid" with that little giggle at the beginning just says it all. Loved this video! And all the giggling before being on track hahaha.
SO nice to see a Tesla being driven honestly and people NOT making excuses for all its pitfalls. Guys, they still have a long way to go. Compare this video to the poise of the SAME owners GT3...
@@alexz8373 if I have GGG hh insane speed and acceleration in a straight line (which the Nordschleife has plenty of) it’s easy to make statements like that if you don’t look at cornerspeeds, how long the braking takes, if engine and brakes fade in power over time etc. You really wanna tell me a stock Tesla can keep up for a few hours on a trackday (not even a race) with the cars you just mentioned in stock configuration? Please just stop talking about something you have absolutely no clue about man. A old rusty and clapped out American muscle car from the late 60s and early 70s can beat those sports sedans you just mentioned on the straights it’s no big deal. It’s about the handling! You do know that the true GT3 (and especially GT4 cars) have much LESS power these days than their roadcar counterparts? Still they blow them away any day in any race! And we don’t even have to talk about the battle of a GT Car against a Tesla. The weight alone dismissed that car! To be clear I have absolutely no problem with EV, I am an engineer for a car company and I even work on developing them and really like it! What I absolutely despise however is when people try to call the cheaply made Tesla’s a good track car! It’s even ridiculously dangerous on our German Autobahn, because you just can’t stop in time with it when you do your 5 mins of 300km/h and a little opel Corsa pulls up in the left lane.. You’ll also not be able to swerve around it because of the bad suspension. It will always end in a bad situation. I have nothing against the regular Tesla’s (despite the price tag and the higher tier models again have the same problem of too much power paired with bad brakes and bad suspension). What Tesla has to do, is they have to get much better in engineering! The things that make a car a car, which are most obviously how it handles which leads to the topics suspension and brakes have to be massively optimized! Then Tesla can get more praise, but nowadays it’s basically almost all fanboy behavior and people think they have a special status when driving a Tesla instead of a much better EV. If you want a good prestigious EV buy the Porsche Taycan, it has a great motor and battery and blows the Tesla away in every other category too. Great quality, driving experience is superb and you can lease it for very good prices, as unbelievable as that might seem. But a lot of people are brainwashed into thinking Tesla is a good company and you support a good cause with buying their unnecessary expensive cars that have s horrendous build quality with cheap plastic materials everywhere! And then they fool the customer and say hey our plastic is so great for the environment, you should pay as much for it as for the Porsches real leather and wood, which are nature products! If Tesla can turn around those mechanical things and looses the image of the wannabee Silicon Valley go who knows nothing about nature and the environment but thinks his Tesla will redeem him from all sins maybe I can wholeheartedly recommend a Tesla over any other EV available on the market. Also people saying Tesla massproduces the first EV is just ridiculous, there are so many in the last decades! The highest numbers sold from the early ones is the BMW i3. BMW did it too soon unfortunately and their i3 and i8 where only mildly accepted since the uneducated people didn’t hyped EVs yet at that point in time. It’s ridiculous how bad the basic uneducated masses act. How they can’t accept ideas until they are sold to them with a certain cliche that makes them believe they do something „good“ while spending unnecessary amounts of money. Oh they don’t even have that in the bank and finance it at horrendous rates.. However I have to stop renting about everything, this is not the right place for that. I just get too easily triggered by people who don’t fully understand cars, engineering and the market in general. Of course there’s also a lot stuff that I don’t know, I just studied engineering and business, but not psychology and politic history so I also lack a lot of detailed market knowledge, but I have the drive to learn at least as much as possible about it as I can to understand the world better and why the society is trying to destroy everything..
This is a family sallon , i also dont put sport carbon brakes from factory, and no bucket seats ...c'mon guys, if you want to take it to the track go upgrade the car ...
Tesla works the best for everyday use. Re-gen breaking, autopilot and swift overtaking on the motorway, ect. is making it one of the best cars to enjoy commuting around. On a race track, you could as well drive an SUV. Batteries will allways be wieghing as much as the car itself, plus this thing eats break pads for breakfest. The thing is not meant for the racetrack... looks fun as hell though on the nords.
I can afford to drive just about any car I want and I absolutely love the S Plaid. The car cant really cant be touched by anything on the street gets 105 mpg and is the safest car you can buy.
I hope that next time Tesla can invite Misha to try the Plaid Track Package and provide analysis and input for the Model S Plaid in the future, especially regarding the expectations for the car towards the behavior of auto racing in Europe or Nurburgring
@@hoen2009 Elon doesn't care. Next up he will release another, slightly refreshed Model S with even more power and the same problems, mark my words. Incredibly lazy.
The windscreen can be replaced by any normal autoglass shop. At least here in Norway all the major glass companies change them on a daily basis without isse. (There is a lot of stones flying from the roads here in winter.)
@@Amir.253they can if they have the official Tesla service software. Not that different from other car manufacturers. Google ‘body repair tech note model s toolbox’ for examples of stuff body and glass shops do.
@@Amir.253 calibration of cameras can be done by the owner of the car. It was made availible to calibrate for the owner years ago through an OTA sw update.
Your description of the front end feeling reminds of driving a truck with trailer, and way too much tongue weight on the hitch. No weight on the front wheels so they just dart around with lifeless steering 😮
It'd be interesting to see a plaid with proper suspension. Unplugged performance seems to have figured out how to get the Plaid under control with their work on their pikes peak car. I'd love to see a lap with coilovers and some better tires to see where it ends up.
@@graynewell The majority of Pike's Peak is nothing but strong twists and turns. There's only so much aftermarket suspension work that can help to fight the inertia of a 5,000 pound saloon zig zagging up a mountain. I'd be interested in seeing that the quad motor Rimac Nevera is capable of, given it is much more fine tuned and inherently capable for track use.
When you can change your ride height with air suspension , your alignment changes too. So in standard mode your alignment is stock(probably average for the average driver), imagine what happens to your alignment when you "change/lower " the suspension. That's a reason what makes the car unpredictable on the throttle
To judge it’s track credentials without the track pack doesn’t make much sense. It’s a very unique car. It’s a 5K lb sedan with over 1000whp. With the right suspension and brake set-up it can improve but the weight is the weight.
Even the one with the Track pack is on'y slighty faster than the New Civic Type R on the ring. Which has like 670 less hp, which is downright embarrasing
@@xIcarus227 there is no evidence... until there is, I am not gonna speculate. PLAID looked like a boat and the brakes were cooked in 2km on their record lap... didn't look like much of a cheat lol
I found it odd that he went with 60% regen. Wouldn't allowing 100% regen reduce the heat loading on the brakes? I've never driven a Model S so I don't know how difficult to control it would be with max regen on overrun.
Insane how tiny the brakes are on these things, only 2 piston front calipers on a 2.5 ton car that has somewhere near 1000hp. I know Tesla likes to think their regenerative braking is the coolest thing ever, but no amount of built-up energy is gonna give those tiny calipers the clamping-force they'd need to slow down such an overly powerful, heavy-ass car. The braking force is definitely far outweighed by the massive weight and horsepower. The Plaid's are extremely "understeer-y" and you simply can't hit the car's limit without a big crash. In fact, I'd say the car's limit is probably only about 7/10, it's incapable of moving it's limit beyond that, no matter the driver. Might be able to get to 8/10ths of a normal performance car's limits with some modifications, but like all Tesla's, Plaids rely solely on their straight-line speed. They're literally just electric muscle cars, with the Plaid being an electric Hellcat or something. Hell, its even American (mostly). I saw a guy attemting to lap one at a track day at Sonoma Raceway and, my god, the tire screeching caused by the understeer was worse than any of the front-drive cars there, and his brakes had completely faded after about 2 laps. The Plaid nearly caused a big accident on the final turn before the start-line. These things are straight-up dangerous, especially on track. The handling is a disaster. You'd get more predictable handling and less understeer out of almost any over-powered modern FWD car. Tesla is never gonna end up building that damn new "Roadster". It's been what, like 6 years since it was announced and shown off, and still not a single one produced. They should stop lining the whole floor with batteries and start focusing the weight of the battery packs in the mid-rear and biasing the power mostly towards the rear wheels. That might actually give the car some character in the way it handles.
@Baran Goran There's nothing particularly interesting about dyno videos for Tesla's, if you've seen one, you've basically seen them all, but I'm sure you're right. That honestly might be the reason the handling is such a mess on these things, because they're so focused on that giant whp number at the dyno. I don't know, but the lack of attention to the suspension and brakes suggests they weren't thinking about much other than crazy acceleration and high hp. My point about the car being massively under-braked certainly stands, though. Even moreso with 1100whp. That would actually mean the Hellcats have much better braking in comparison, which is not at all a good thing. Hellcats take a looong time to slow down, and I'm pretty sure they at least have 4 pistons in the front. There's no way a very small 2 piston caliper is anywhere near enough for these 1100whp Tesla's. No wonder the Plaid I saw at the track could hardly manage more than one fast lap before the brakes got so over heated that the driver could barely manage the final turn of the track.
@@stayphun6188 I personally prefer EVs. I just dont like billionaires making a death trap for profit. Putting these brakes on this heavy and fast car should be a capital punishment.
@@frog382 since politics push for EVs, anything is allowed. I mean, its a 1000hp Family sedan that looks like any other Tesla with less power, it has a YOKE as a steering wheel and terrible brakes. You could put gatling guns on an EV and it would be legal, as long as there is no V8 in it
Great to see a track savy owner, who modified it a bit. Also would love to see more in depth details on all the cars and feedback after laps misha. But still great vid 🙌
i looked at Tesla's stock suspension components, they appear to me to be super skinny, all the links, control arms, subframe etc seems fragile and weak even compared to a regular old school ICE car, yet alone to think the Tesla's are significantly heavier due to their battery. that will really put more strain on all the suspension parts. I'm not surprised the thing is dangerous, + given all the power it has. doesn't seem super safe especially for the track. but nice driving, you handled that track like a champ. would be curious to see how this model S plaid would compare to a stock r35 GTR!
Teslas have always been late, and they're still rushed. Elon put all his effort into making the car as fast as possible to impress the Fanboys and forgot about everything else you need in a performance car.
I used to work as senior management in Tesla. Great cars for point A to B, car trips, and long drives that you can do similar to ICE cars (in America anyway due to the charging network). They are not driver cars. They aren’t fun in the corners and/or the track. I bough a Hellcat as I wanted something fun. Sure the HC isn’t a pure track car either but you can take it to track days and it be fun and last all day.
@@louiecarrigan821 HahHa yes I tried all the time in Fremont! Requires lots of fuse pulling and huge drastic movements of the steering wheel, brakes, and accelerator. Not fun!
@@TheUsmc0802 yeah, also feels forced, like they added some kind of drift mode the last minute just because all german Awd performance cars have drift mode now The Hellcat on the other hand is great for slides, tons of power, and tons of momentum
@@louiecarrigan821 Exactly, the Tesla is a great unbelievably fast car in a strait line it’s not an engaging car. The Hellcat is insane, the chassis team and ESC team worked some crazy magic as you can power slide it at will and the car will keep you safe. I have a 2019 with hydraulic steering and you can actually feel what it’s doing. All the while with my three kids in back giggling and my wife yelling at me.
Tesla are cancelling all RHD Plaid orders in the UK. I ordered 2 years ago and received a notification that they have no idea when the model S Plaid will reach the UK and cancelling all orders. Feel like I've dodged a bullet.
Ok, this.... this is fascinating. I have to respect seb's open mind around the flaws because he got's a list. What gets interesting is well, how much of the racing mindset changes.... almost nothing at all, which is fascinating. I wonder how that would translate to engineering but I don't see Tesla in that mix. Not at all. Second, I know that I am beating on a dead horse at this moment but man.... the chassis flex. I expected some but that body was twisting all the way. So, all this does is make me ask one question... You know a pal with a Lucid Air and/or Taycan?
Yes, i agree it is probably the underdimensioned chassis, as arrogant as they were bringing this model out w 'butter' for brake pads and brake fluid that cannot handle the heat. More mods? Misha asks but i think you have to start w a better basis. Honest owner, too, but if he has been working on it and Tesla don't incorporate his feedback, you end up w this, a fast but unenjoyable projectile.
@@bw8476 It's been well known at this point that engineer's at Tesla seem to live in a bubble, either that or people like seb get ignored. It's not like he would be able to get the attention of.... Elon Musk.... As far as the brakes are concerned, my mind tends to go to the fact that the Model S was built specifically for the road with no competitive mindset in the company at all. Hence incredibly lower tolerances. The best way I can relate this to is the evolution of the McLaren F1, Gordon Murray is a race car designer building a road car... The GT1 spec car is almost identical to the road car for a very specific reason, in making a road car he built in several things that made a race car because that was literally his day job.... This is the exact opposite.
@@DuvJones 100%. Hang on I'll try a tag @Elon Musk .. [tumbleweeds]... rather than him twittering crap he shd listen to how to develop a performance car..
@@bw8476 Look, I like EV's but something that has been missing is a similar development environment that ICE cars could always lean on. We call it motorsport, it's a competition between manufacturers but more importantly, it's a laboratory. Sure can be can unapproachable with the best parts, the best drivers, etc. but Turbo's were birthed here, AWD was birthed here, etc. It's a long, extensive history of things that eventually allow me to take my kids to school. EV's don't have that by much, Formula E is rather close as manufacturers supply a lot of what is in those vehicles (like the back motor, shocks, etc.) but it's been clear for a while that we need something that is more hard. The hardest racing known is either rally or endurance, and endurance is the one that interests me the most why.... homogenizations, we need something that is on the limit but looks like something in the showroom. The engineering.... yeah, that would be cool to see what happens. Elon.... you think that he cares about that? While dreaming of his colony on mars? Man gets a wiff of competition in the retail space and he is trying to muscle them out with a "price war". Lucid seems to care(they are a supplier to Formula E), Rivian build a truck partly to avoid the BS around Tesla. Building EV's for Elon is a means to an ends and he doesn't care to push, he just wants the clout. It's getting noticeable.
The GT3 may be more impressive, than the Model S / P, but at what price difference ? If Tesla put full Track Pak and Full Track or Track Sport Suspension, what would the Sales Price have to be ?
Misha, very smart to put out that disclaimer about noting if a car did a certain time record or something extraordinary, it must be noted what was altered in anyway and tuned of the car.
The rimac has proper suspension and would do better than that. It's similar to a Koenigsegg or Bugatti where it's fast around a track but it's not going to be at the top of the pack due to weight and size. It's not a dedicated track car, it's a hypercar.
@@zooker7507 I didnt say it took the same time to fill back up, but the battery definitly lasts pretty long. Also I never found it to be inconvenient to charge, it gives you time to take a brake you would need anyways. I dont think anyone does more than 2/3 laps Nordschleife without a break.
