As I have all of Dr. Peterson's talks that are on U Tube at least . Most of them several times . They don't get old it's like reading the Book Of Mormon . I learn something new each time.
I have been reading the Book of Ether and just finished Ether 10. These guys were pretty advanced. They knew how to work ore, iron, copper, brass, silver and gold. When it came to talking about their tools and weapons the writersays they did work all kinds of weapons of curious workmanship.
Honestly, I am also having trouble with the timeline. What was the timeline of the Tower of Babel? The reason I'm asking is because I'm trying to figure out the Clovis people and the Jaredites. Also it talks about the people using elephants (Mammoths or Mastodons).
I love Daniel Peterson’s all of writings, speeches & firesides-very interesting stuff. I testify the book of ether & bom is true with the other (faithful) commenters on here. The beanpole guy, I’ll pretend he’s not here for the moment...
The most obvious example of this, to me, is found in Helaman 1:15. Just one verse reveals so much about the movement and mixing of peoples in the Book of Mormon.
Dr. Peterson iis so brilliant . Without doubt my favorite speaker. I have listened to almost every one of his videos except the one comparing the B.O.M.to the audio was just to messed up for me to hear .I really do love Dr. Peterson , And if he dose someday see this comment ipray that he will forgive my ignorance. Dr.Peterson , excep for Isreal what possible interests could a person so smart as your self have in the Muslim world , or any part of the Middle East ? Other as I said , than Iseral .
@@robpaulson7992 You again. Why do you anti-Mormons avoid the reality that the egyptologists were debunked due to their assumption Joseph Smith was supposed to translate like an egyptologist?
@@richardholmes7199 this is yet another attack that was debunked BIG TIME and they have no answer. The Book of Mormon came about the way JS said it did. They can, they do, and they will continue to deny it all they want, but the proof is overwhelmingly against them now which is why they are looking to assign authorship to someone other than JS. Either way, faith and the spirit are still needed to believe in it, which is how we’ve been doing it for almost 200 years now.
There's a great book by an LDS author that shows that there's perfect harmony between the prophetic statements concerning the garden of Eden being in Missouri and the Old Testament account concerning the garden of Eden. It's called Canaan, Babylon, and Egypt A Comparative Theological Analysis on Creation sold by Eborn Books.
I'm sure somebody has already said it in these comments but in answer to Daniel Peterson's question about Moroni's fate, Joseph Smith to one of the Apostles who had asked the same question, apparently Joseph Smith had asked the same thing to God and was shown in vision what happened: Moroni came across a small group of 3 native Americans (Joseph said they were Lamanites but maybe just for simplicity) who assaulted him and he was able to kill 2 or 3 of them in hand-to-hand combat with his sword but they were also shooting arrows at him and the 3rd mortally wounded him. The Lamanites were divided between various Lamanite Kings and of course the Americas especial North America is huge, and during the next thousand years who knows that they might've mingled with the humans living in the Southern hemisphere, certainly when Lehi arrived there were already humans living everywhere or else how was it possible that the Lamanites and Nephites grew so quickly (Nephi mentioned that he had already had wars with the Lamanites; and who made him King if all he had with him was his siblings, their families, and his own offspring and how then did he build a mighty city and temple noteworthy enough to compare albeit as lesser to the Temple of Solomon). Moroni apparently traveled all over the nation we today refer to as the USA, consecrating the grounds of where future Temples would be, and perhaps for personal reason as well (some of the Temples in Utah were said to have originally been in Nephite cities such as the Temple Manti not to be confused with ancient Nephite city Manti which would've been just down river from Zarahemla and Joseph Smith said or rather the Lord told Joseph Smith that Zarahemla was where the Saints were supposed to build Nauvoo which map location would make the Mississippi River what the Nephites called the River Sidon) but Gadiantons had over-run them but the Gadiantons were probably destroyed by the Lamanites or joined thereunto; who knows what Moroni found there (but interestingly enough there is a special variety of grass in Nauvoo (just across the river from Nauvoo) that can only be found in one other place in America: Utah and it would be a cool coincidence if the seeds had borrowed a ride from Moroni's boots). The persons, books, etc who told me all these things, could've been lying. And so it's important to always pray and ask God for yourself, according to Moroni's promise "the Holy Ghost will reveal the truth of these things unto you." And the LDS.org missionaries would then of course say, "and if these things are true then it proves Joseph Smith is a prophet of God and that all the things he said are true and that the Church he established is truly the Kingdom of God." Here's another amazing video that this same speaker Daniel Peterson is in: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-e6MVOV92cuA.html
Great description of the Nephite wall in the Book of Mormon. Have you shared that with your friend John Sorenson? It is indeed unfortunate that so much of our LDS Art is based on the philosophies of men, rather than the words of the prophets and the book itself.
Seems that Moroni was having heavenly ministration near the end of his writings. Several times in the BOM, the authors seem to end because they have little room to write, but soon after much more is written, and this is the case with Moroni, who may well have had help (by the 3 Nephites or by angels) in crafting more gold plates for further recording of observations and revelations. No doubt Moroni had much help in traveling for about 36 years to the present "Hill Cumorah" from across North America! When referring to the 2 different Korihors, Kishkumen, Kish and others in the BOM and the Book of Ether, I wonder if the unknown prophets quoted in the BOM, Zenos and Zenock, may also have come from knowledge of the Jaredites, even though they may also have been known from the Brass Plates! As far as the structure of the Jaredite's society, we can only guess, but the archaeological record of the Olmecs in Southern Mexico and Central America, as well as the Zapotecs, gives us a timeframe and sense of what they MAY have been doing. An interesting point in the archaeological record is that some the Olmecs integrated with the pre-classic Mayans in a timeframe that fits that mentioned in the BOM which may have been when Coriantumr was found, and later the untranslated record which was brought to Zarahemla!
@Frank DeFalco The Book of Mormon has yet to have been proven as a fraudulent work. The egyptological assessments against Joseph Smith backfired. As Joseph Smith was never, like the anti-Mormon christians and the egyptologists assumed, supposed to translate like an egyptologist. Google ''Book of Abraham pt 1 (Why Egyptologists are wrong) youtube'' to see this. Oh, that's right. You know that. Why do you avoid comment on this?
Two things you said with which I would argue: 1) The Jaredites did have large cities: Ether 10:20. “And they built a great city by the narrow neck of land, by the place where the sea divides the land.” 2.) All of the Jaredites where killed, Ether 13:21 "...another people receiving the land for their inheritance; and Coriantumr should receive a burial by them; and every soul should be destroyed save it were Coriantumr."
The Jaredites came out of Mesopotamia where the posterity of Noah had begun populating the Earth (and the majority according to archeologists, scientists, historians and theologians etc were in Sumer and their leader had commenced the construction of the Tower of Babel). Famously the daughter of Ham began building up a nation named after her: Egyptus. But it's not far fetched to say that Shem, Ham, and their other brother had populated all those regions with their posterity, not just Egypt, not just Sumer. And so there's no reason to think it's impossible that the Jaredites, who were from Sumer (or nearby, whichever area had the Tower of Babel because if memory serves they had participated in its initial construction) were descended from Ham's lineage. Archeologists have discovered that the Jaredites were most likely giants and descendants of Ham (which would explain why the Priesthood isn't mentioned not even once in the entire Book of Ether nor by Moroni concerning the Jaredites). Nearly 100,000 copper mines have been discovered in and around the Great Lakes. One of their largest cities has its ruins underneath and dwarfs Detroit Michigan. Many such fascinating discoveries continue to take place regularly. The Algonquin native Americans who have the first Bible ever translated into a modern American language; their language, (ca 1600 AD) still teach their children that their ancestors crossed the Atlantic ocean in a long line of ships tied to each other and shaped like turtles (the Jaredite ships were half ship and half submersible and they came in several ships not just one). If I'm remembering the Tribe Nation's name correction. People wonder how we know all of these things but of course it has always been right there in the Book of Mormon and the Bible and well known as fact for thousands of years by those who care to read. Christians and Jews know the future, even the ending, it's all right there in the scriptures! The Book of Mormon simply confirms what is in the Bible by adding yet another Testimony from people opposite side of the planet from those who wrote the Bible. If you thought the Bible was an amazing read, read the Book of Mormon because it adds another hundred or more stories and prophets you've never known, and certainly these are not the last Prophets that God will reveal, the Lost 10 Tribes are going to bring even more books by yet other Prophets as prophesied in the Book of Revelations by John the Beloved/Revelator! But of course I could be wrong in some or all of these things. The persons, books, etc who told me all these things, could've been lying. And so it's important to always pray and ask God for yourself, according to Moroni's promise "the Holy Ghost will reveal the truth of these things unto you." And the LDS.org missionaries would then of course say, "and if these things are true then it proves Joseph Smith is a prophet of God and that all the things he said are true and that the Church he established is truly the Kingdom of God." Here's another amazing video that this same speaker Daniel Peterson is in: ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-e6MVOV92cuA.html
You mentioned that you doubt whether all of the Jaredites were destroyed. I believe that also and if you look up the Erie Indian tribe. They were destroyed by the Iroquois about 1650 around the Great Lakes.
A few leaders believed this, such as Orson Pratt, but many more believed that he had one wife, or no wives. There have been a lot of personal views on this over the years, but never has it been within the realm of canonized doctrine. As a Latter-day Saint, you are free to believe that Jesus had 0, 1, 2, or 47 wives; it makes no difference, because it's all just speculation. To try and cherry pick the opinions of certain leaders while ignoring others and pass it off as an official doctrinal position indicates that you are either 1. Not nearly as smart as you think you are, or 2. Being intentionally dishonest. Neither option is good for your image.
That's because it's most geneaologies, and so a lot depends on how long you assume that each generation lived. There's no way to get much more accurate than that when looking at a long list of dozens of generations.
@Frank DeFalco The Biblical timeline itself---especially in Genesis---is not at all something to rely on as accurate. By the time the stories in Genesis were recorded, they were little more than distant legend.
The book of Ether is where the vague becomes mundane. Watching your mental gymnastics describing it makes me hope your patrons paint you as a noble warrior as opposed to a mental gymnast whose leotard will never fit.
I'd love to see this gentleman debate a mainstream archeologist, historian and scholar. A little learning is a dangerous thing when you add in brainwashing, ahistoricitu and delusion.
Please. It's not brainwashing or delusion when anyone can look at the text and come to the same conclusions. I know Dan, and he's a scholar of the highest caliber, respected across the academic world. Interestingly enough, William Dever, the preeminent Biblical archaeologist and probably the most knowledgeable expert on ancient Near-Eastern Canaanite religions, is not a latter-day saint, but is quite friendly to us, because our theology matches what he knows about the ancient world quite closely. He has spoken to LDS audiences several times, and his presentations (about the ahistoricity of the Exodus, or the realities of Asherah worship and the evolution of ancient Hebrew theology) always end up confirming things that Joseph Smith taught, long before that knowledge was discovered. So you can keep your pompous assumptions that good science and archaeology is somehow dangerous to our narratives.
The toxic perfectionism promoted by the Mormon church doesn't work and it causes pain and suffering. Mormonism, as a spiritual path, is an abject failure.
+Jack Jerman - If MORMON magic is really that great, then why does Utah have the highest rate of mental illness and highest rate of depression of any state in the country? Why does Utah have the highest rate of anti-depressant use in the United States? Why are 1 in 5 women in Utah taking anti-depressant medication? And why is the rate of teen suicide among Utah teens growing 4 times faster than the national average? Could these statistics be due to the fact that Mormonism sets an impossibly high standard for behavior (toxic perfectionism) for its members which is unattainable and which leads to social camouflaging, self doubt and depression? Mormonism teaches that the right to be with one's family after this life is dependent upon earning one's "exhaltation", and that "exhaltation" may only be earned through conforming to a vague and impossibly high standard of "personal worthiness" Mormons are taught that they are "saved by grace after all we can do." 2 Nephi 25. In other words, they must earn their exhalation and the right to be with their families through a lifetime of good works. And since we can always do more as long as we are still alive, we can never reach that point of perfection of having done "all we can do". Thus Mormonism sets an impossible standard for exhalation, which nobody in this life can ever fully satisfy. Mormons can never know for certain that they have "earned" the highest degree of glory (and thus the right to be with their family in heaven). That leaves MORMON Church members running on a spiritual and psychological treadmill of self-doubt and shame, because as long as they are alive there is always more tithing to pay, more genealogy to do, more effort to put into one's calling. Etc. Etc. Etc. Making people feel unworthy to be with their own families is perhaps one of the most depressing, and demoralizing thing that any religion can do to its members.
+Jack Jerman - Wow! You are quite the apologist. You should work in the MORMON Church's P.R. Department. Too bad the creative explanations you come up with don't change the facts: The MORMON church's message isn't working anymore. People aren't buying it, and those who are members are walking away faster than the church can find new converts.
+Jack Jerman - Having an "exponential reproductive rate" is nothing to be proud of, and it certainly does not validate the church's message. The point is, that the MORMON Church's modest growth rate is not coming from convert baptisms because people are rejecting the message. The growth rate of the MORMON Church is actually slowing and is currently at its lowest point in 25 years. Net increase of wards in the US reported at the last General Conference was zero. Pew research data show 0 growth from 2007-2014 (percentage wise) for the US. They also note that the average age of mormons went up by 2 years, which indicates that the church is loosing its young people (aka its future leaders). Growth in Europe is also stagnant, and there was no net increase in wards or branches in Mexico during 2016. If you think that the MORMON church's "global conversion rate is getting more and more members" i suggest you do some research and check the facts for yourself.
+Jack the Gas-Lighter - You were not negating my claim. You were re-stating my claim so that you could put words in my mouth. Sorry, I didn't read your book that you just wrote for me, I fell asleep as soon as I smelled the gas
Nope. According to contemporary accounts, he couldn't even write a well-worded letter, and that's reflected in his early journal entries from this period. Joseph did not write the Book of Mormon.
@@Aldrnari I'm very familiar with the narrative. Joseph had an imagination. But he certainly wasn't talking to or for God. He was a charlatan. He also was a drunkard and a sexual deviant.
@@sdfotodude That's absurd. He drank wine with dinner occasionally, but there's no record of him ever being drunk. As for sexual deviancy, you clearly have a very narrow view of the Nauvoo polygamy. It's utterly impossible that the Book of Mormon came from Joseph's mind, as has been proven a myriad of ways. That's the problem with you casual critics: you learn a couple of surface facts on the internet, read zero actual scholarly literature, and the only exposure you have to contemporary historical documents you have is via quotes on the internet. Then, when you meet someone who ACTUALLY knows their stuff, and your ignorance goes on display, you try to double down. F A I L.
@@Aldrnari Stop Believing everything they tell you. Ignorance is bliss. Listen to naked Mormonism podcast road to Carthage episode 5 or 6. He even had wine and tobacco delivered to him in the Carthage Jail the night before he was executed by a mob of his peers.
@@sdfotodude lol I am VERY familiar with the truth; I'm not just spouting a scrubbed narrative. Yes, he sent Porter Rockwell to get some wine and tobacco in Carthage jail. And do you know WHY? Clearly not. The wine was for dinner: wine was not forbidden in the church until the 1920s. The tobacco was for Willard Richards, who was with them in the jail and was very sick at the time. In those days, tobacco was used to treat illness. There's only one record of Joseph using tobacco, and it was when he had a cold and was using a cigar medicinally. Of course, if you REALLY knew the truth about our history, you would know these contextual details. The fact that you don't know these details tells me that your source material was cherry picking facts to skew the truth. THAT is the false narrative YOU have been fed.
Daniel C. Peterson has proved to me that he is unable to access the truth. There is nothing 'divine' about a cult that blasphemes the Almighty by saying that He was once a man. Mormonism is blasphemy. Come out of Babylon all you who will hear.
Had you Googled deification in early Christianity you would have found out that the early Christians had a belief that man can become a god. The Eastern Orthodox still has that belief to this day. It may simply be that western Christianity is the one that is out of step.
Fay Kaelin you do not become a god of individual that's where you will all go wrong if it was about becoming a god yourself then Jesus wouldn't have ever needed to come to remind ignorant MAN where he comes from Religion is nothing compared to the Truth we were endowed in our soul from the beginning with these truths there is no book no religion no other human being that can give you access to the Truth you already have it foolish people that is in every religion it also says clearly the body is the greatest temple you pray and love through your soul first and only first you do not do it simply because you say you are part of a religion or church to say if religions or church's were to fade away that we wouldn't have God or could be with God is absolute blasphemy do not spit in the face of Christ by believing in only something you barely understand or to be a follower of something you think you fully understand because you are being told through a book or pastor you must help yourself first and when you do this everything becomes easier to handle and to have love for all things and then you can branch out and help others spread Love where you are preach a few good words of christ here and there too and you will be more connected and understanding of God then you think you will you just have to do it let the experience talk for me don't listen to my words only you must do it yourself only you can help you first and then everything else will come for God knows you but you do not know God so to say that man can become a god individually I hope for your sake you know what you're saying and know it to be true and not just a belief because I would be careful what you wish for and what the almighty father hears what you want
