why would you need more "Schmachtenbergers" in the world? Isn't one Schmachtenberger enough, would his argument be more credible because its repeated by another or many more Schmachtenberger(s)
@@tomschneider7555, so then you get exponential-Schmachtenbergers making more Schmachtenberger-solutions, which increases humanity's chances of survival, so then you get exponential-Schmachtenbergers...
Daniel Schmachtenberger is really brilliant and I never heard of him until now. 😐 Eric does a great job as host making this episode one of the best ever. Thank you Eric and Daniel for a very interesting discussion! 👍🙌
Martin He does a lot of talks on Rebel Wisdom... very wordy and great to see him in a discussion with someone who can keep up and occasionally call him out. lol. I came away with more respect for both of them.
JustOneAsbesto so, if you like this conversation and this type of subject matter, I have a few recommendations based on my own preferences; some I have already watched/listened to and some are in my watchlist. --> Rebel Wisdom | The War on Sense Making (with Daniel) [There's several fantastic interviews on the Rebel Wisdom channel with Daniel] --> The Portal / Eric Weinstein | Episode #19 with Brett Weinstein. Be warned; this one starts off fairly unusual by Eric essentially berating Brett for about 45 minutes to get him to open up and get to the meat of the really great conversations. It's absolutely the time though. --> Joe Rogan's interview (on his podcast but not at his normal spot) with Stanford Professor Robert Sapolsky. --> These other Powerful JRE Episodes/Podcasts: #1470 - Elon Musk #1465 - Tim Pool #1453 - Eric Weinstein _(Now, Tim Pool is by no means on a scholarly level with any of the previous people on this list, [ *nor is Elon musk for that matter, but Elon sure is interesting and incredibly impactful on our society & civilization as a whole* ] HOWEVER, the Tim Pool episode was fairly recent, and I felt they had some great conversations across SEVERAL broad-topics of interest.)_ --> Dr Gabor Maté - Why Capitalism Makes Us Sick (This is available on RU-vid, just search for it) --> Really any talk or interview you can find with Gabor Maté or Robert Sapolsky. The later who did an interesting Ted Talk titled "The Uniqueness of Humans" And there's many other Podcasts and programs out there featuring Daniel as a guests; there hasn't been a single time I've started to listen to him speak in am open forum conversation such as this, that I haven't been fascinated and felt compelled to listen to it on its entirety. One last thing; Eric missed a cool opportunity to make this podcast 3 hours 33 minutes and 33 seconds long; it's 3:33:35 - just a weird observation. Cheers
@@humanbeing_ (Love Your Name!) Thank you for the list!! I've heard a bunch of these already, so I'm looking forward to the others I haven't heard yet! Thank you for spreading the word! I appreciate your time & generosity of spirit in sharing here! Thank You! ⭐
This is a few things 1) a conversation I can listen to repeatedly, 2) a rare occurrence,of two equally brilliant people, being honest and earnest and 3) Unique to have Eric's ability to break it down, so that I can understand it better.
Its so consciousness expanding to watch two brilliant intellects like this having a conversation. And, after 82 years of life experience, I can say with confidence that experience trumps owning or collecting things no matter how valuable they may be. I'm always thrilled by how close Daniel gets to a spiritual dimension in the human condition that's so sadly lacking in the intellectual world of today.
@King Arther Completely wrong. True spirituality has nothing to do with religion - it your conditioning that causes you to apply the fallacies of religion to spirituality. Its really easy to spot people who have no clue about what true spirituality is - and I usually see that in religious people sometimes even more than atheists. All the main religions have been to some extent or another, purposely structured to prevent spirituality. The "spirituality" that they promote is not true spirituality. True spirituality is only ever logical and practical within an expanded frame of consciousness.
@King Arther Thanks for the story. You only indicated that your ability to read and comprehend is severely limited. If you don't understand a topic, maybe don't speak to it. You clearly did not remotely comprehend that what you know and have judged has nothing to do with spirituality - I thought I was clear on that distinction, which was actually my whole point. All you did was prove it. The unfounded judgements against me and your own chest beating also tell a lot. Sorry, but we are done here, I don't have time for this level of conversational nonsense. No disrespect - have a good evening.
@King Arther well now this is getting entertaining .... go on ... perhaps you could tell me more about all the things you imagined I said ... ? Why don't you start there, then finish with more about who I am and what I believe. Don't forget to throw in some ad hominems and tell us again how smart you are. BTW that's not how you spell Arthur.
@King Arther I guess you missed the part where I said true spirituality is only about logic and practicality. If spirituality to you is not about either of those things, then you don't understand true spirituality at all. So here we are full circle. Your arrogance dictated by your demonstrated firm belief that I could not possibly have an understanding of higher orders of logic than what you apply to religious dogma is the error here. The rest of your arrogance has been well entertaining though. Thanks for that. :)
@King Arther Go on ... please tell me more about how stupid I am. Perhaps you could even tell me more about how I like to troll arrogant idiots I encounter online? You don't know when to stop do you? ;-) This could have been an intelligent conversation, but you clearly wanted no part of that, so I obliged --- that's really the best part. Have a good evening mr, "Arther" ...
@@naughteedesign I doubt Socrates would be so short sighted as this. And Daniel would have an answer to the why of anything he purposes. He's too thorough to get caught in something like what you're proposing.
shaco bin laden i don’t know how u can expect to have this conversation without acknowledging that eliminating freedom of mating choice along with other freedoms is problematic. He says that people will want to join based on its success, but impossible to get everyone in. Not possible without force or coercion , and probably at scale. Nothing stupid about considering the details that would play out if this happened.
Eric, what you are doing is incredibly important. I'm very discouraged that there is no place for this level discussion anywhere in the traditional media.
as trad media fades, eric and the like fade up. I see a day in the future where this is, the* media. good change comes up slowly (sometimes) - it's coming. we're here. thank you eric!
I am just in awe and amazement at the depth and breadth and nuance of conversation that is taking place here. I won't get into examples or details, but this dialectical discussion and methodology is exactly what society, today is missing and fears losing, as stated countless and numerous times and seems to be the bane of Eric Weinstein's life and ultimate goal of pursuing in the ways that are for a more just and verdant society. Great podcast, Eric. Ever since I have listening to your podcast's, I have began to see conversation differently and began to categorize my thoughts and responses in a more measured and structured way. This is very calming to me and very logical. I very much appreciate this because I am a person who enjoys and thrives in structure, of some sort. These types of conversations, help me to conceptualize a more peaceful self, through me being more aware of my self by strengthening my strengths and weaknesses. Thanks a lot, Eric, for being there and being an example to all of us who want to improve ourselves. Because that's exactly what you are doing and setting an example for. We must push the needle in the forging of the planet with it's people being held accountable for the betterment of a more successful and critically thinking future. Godspeed, Eric.
Daniel was in large parts my Eureka moment around 18 months ago. He speaks like a wise man and we really need more wise people. Thanks for your brilliant work too Eric. Such sages!
I first heard about Daniel about a year ago. This polymath is on another level of understanding that most people could only begin to comprehend. It's great to see him on this podcast and would be wonderful to see him on other big podcasts.
People need to realize that some people, Like Eric, are actual intellectuals concerned with truth. And others, like Daniel are good at parroting intellectual debate but are more concerned with building a following than actually generating any kind of truth or real solutions, and in the case of Daniel, not very hood at it in my opinion
@@empemitheos don't all people want to build a platform? If not you can be like me and talk to yourself in the shower until your wife comes in and gives you that crazy look.
Eric, I hope you read this: Thank you for giving me the language to explore new ideas and for creating The Portal! Your memetic lineage will certainly live on through me and any children I bring into this world. I am eternally grateful to you.
I came here after listening to Daniel on Tom Bilyeu's podcast and I'm so glad to see him with Eric and actually have the space to introduce radically new ideas. Eric is definitely one of best hosts I've seen after watching this
Even more interesting is how Eric describes Daniel's ideas in his own words, using his own heavy analogies, in order to demonstrate complete understanding of Daniel's positions. Absolutely brilliant.
@Lehan le Roux I agree. Like, the pressure is so heavy when he's talking with Bret, and I wonder how Bret's responses might differ if he wasn't derailed and challenged so often.
@@samdunn717 I read some comments about Joe being rude before watching all of it, but couldn't see much of that when I watched the rest. He was just being a bit questioning about media, much less oppositional than he's been with some past guests. Overall was an excellent conversation.
@@sillysissyphus4877 I fall asleep listening to podcasts. I have them on while doing DIY. I listen while running. I watch RU-vid videos and forget to press pause when someone talks to me... so much for Eric having an intelligent audience
2:31:12 "To not explore the weird, to not dream about what might be, is the least responsible and least adult thing we can do. If we don't dream and we don't explore the weird we are doomed." - Eric Weinstein
As individuals we are doomed anyway whether we dream or not. In the long run it is highly probable we are doomed as a species. Communism, fascism, liberal democracy libertarianism etc are all dreams. The problems arise not with the dreaming but with the attempt to implement the dream in reality. I noticed Daniel dodged the question of what is the minimum level of violence needed to realize his dream.
@Primal Magic I dont think I agree with all of Daniel's ideas. I actually think Eric did a good job asking questions here. I'd like to see a conversation between Daniel and Robert Sapolsky. I think that would clear up a couple (but not all) of the questions I have for Daniel. Fascinating conversation nonetheless.
Eric with Sir Roger: "The audience can work to understand, we don't need to dumb-down Hopf vibrations and fiber bundles." Eric with Daniel: "I'm going to have to slow you down. Explain what you mean by exponential tech."
@@queequeg9170 My point is that in this interview, Eric is encountering ideas he is not familiar with, but instead of asking the guest to explain "for him", he's asking him to explain "for you".
"Take a beautiful dream, ask what the minimal level of violence and coercion needed to accomplish it, add that in to part of the cost and ask yourself, is it still beautiful?" Eric Weinstein This is a great podcast Eric, thank you.
Tumblin Dice Power can be viewed as a threat or vulnerability, or it may be seen as a virtue or grace. An equal distribution of power has too many interpretations, both positive and negative. It’s worthy of discussion and to consider the wide variety of different meanings and interpretations of equality, I’ll give it more thought.
The deep, complex & critical thinking Eric has with his Guests is very inspiring. I miss this a lot in conversations i have with Friends as i get older. Thank you very much for sharing these valuable ideas and giving me the opportunity to tune into these insights, Daniel & Eric!
Oh man!, I loved this conversation. I am not a highly educated person but the ideas you are discussing I relate to at the deepest level. Thanks to both of you for reawakening a desire for knowledge and sharing yours with us.
I think Eric has finally met someone more insightful than himself. Great to see Eric listen and pause to clarify points for the audience. I'm glad for you both that you have got to have this conversation. I hope you continue to converse, even if it is in private. You need this.
This was riveting and thought-provoking. Thanks Eric for the work you’re doing and the bravery it takes to be vulnerable enough to share these conversations.
“Society grows great when old men plant trees whose shade they know they shall never sit in.” ― Anonymous Greek Proverb There is always trees in nice spots to rest in shade, enjoy a Mediterranean view. In Crete and they are really proud of grand family olive trees they have tended for generations. A member of the family, seen in wedding and family pictures, dined under when family gathers and maybe some had they`re first kiss hiding behind it. They gladly share stories about it if you just are friendly and curious. I dont know mainland but i expect it to be similar culture for trees there. ―Anonymous Crete Observer
Perhaps you have heard the (maybe apocryphal) story of New College, which allegedly inspired Danny Hillis to create the _Long Now_ foundation... New College (1379) is the second oldest college in Oxford. [Think about it ... the first place was just called _the university_ which later became _University College_ when other places were built. It's the same as a village with one _street_ then another approach is built-up, so it's called _New Street_ and the original one becomes the _High Street_ (UK), or _Main Street_ (USA).] A few years ago (1980s) the roof in the college hall needed repair. The hall was very wide, spanned by huge wooden beams. The college committee in charge of major projects had no idea how to find replacements, or what the horrendous cost would be. When researching the design and construction in the library and talking to the manager of the college's farming estates, they found that when the college was founded a grove of new oak saplings had been planted so that when the roof fell in to disrepair there would be an avenue of huge old oak trees to replace it. And 600 years later ....
@@mirroredname3389 I don't think its anonymous anymore, I think it comes from a text called "Cicero de Senectute" (On old age) from 44 BC. "I can name old Romans who are farmers in what was the Sabine territory, my neighbors and friends, without whose oversight hardly any important work is ever done on their land, whether in sowing, or harvesting, or storing their crops. This, however, is not so surprising in them; for no one is so old that he does not expect to live a year longer. But the same persons bestow great pains in labor from which they know that they shall never derive any benefit."
@@HypnoticHarmonys I looked into it and it is a special situation (Cato on old age, a discourse) Written by Cicero, formulated and conveyed such as Cato was put in a position lecturing and getting admiration for his way of carrying old age. Cicero later claims it was his words put in Cato`s speech, I dont know if i got that right. But Cicero did the right move claiming it. He clearly knew how to bring it further than Cato it seems. However, the way you are mentioning the Sabine`s I get curious about if the ones joining Rome might have brought this into roman patroni via becoming cliens. I dont know but I had fun exploring the idea. I am probably just repeating things you know, obviously I missed "this" and mistook it for a statement that was yours after all this. I thought that was damn impressive, knowing names of a extinct population of land workers. I conclude with it was a natural course of knowledge getting combined of several social ranks. It is beautiful to think about. It has had such impact for thousands of years after. I think before all this, getting old was worse. And it connects Cato`s 84 years of age to something worth, regardless of failing body, knowledge of elders is worth taking care of. In a way Cato the Elder, is a symbol for this movement. It beats ― Anonymous Greek Proverb as source, there is no way to actually prove either so a story is better than a nondescript, and still is a nondescript, what a paradox. Introduction to roman history, check. Cheers.
Rogan has introduced me to so many interesting and intelligent people. I have discovered the IDW and so much more. All because of a video search for Neil deGrasse Tyson. The internet CAN be an amazing tool but you have to learn how to weed out the garbage.
What the world needs now is more conversation like this between you two. I am glad that you finally got together. This is the first time in a LONG time I have felt hopeful for us and that is a good thing. MORE PLEASE!
Powerful portion around 30 minutes: - Disinformation - Rival Risk Game Theoretical Structure - We have been employing more and more powerful technology to play rival risk games. "That means more and more potent warfare, more and more potent environmental extraction and more and more potent information tech that can do narrative and information warfare, narrative control. [ ... ] We've already gotten so far with exponential disinformation, that we almost can't make sense of anything ..."
@Mr. Good Human As someone that doesn't live in your country. You've given up so many freedoms over the past few years its sad. There's reasons why nations attack you now. Your alphabet people have turned your country into professional victims, and the victims love attention. You look like a group of drag queens crying over feelings while touching up each others make up. Also interesting conversation to be having during a discussion with a guest that thinks fully disarming will appease to the intellect of others. Naive.
I think we are coming out of a cave of dark age thought and coming into the age of hyper awareness. Misinformation works really well on people who have no prior experiences. Today everyone is experiencing everything at the speed of the internet.
Daniel was not screwed up by university-systems, why he, thanks to his intelligence, still is able to surf deeply into many fields, accumulating their essences out, keeping depth, not getting banal. Academic scholars get brushed until there is no hair and self think left anymore, sadly losing this way width and associative capacity to get their fields forward. He became an impressive heterodox thinking human being mostly by autodidact learning following interest and not pale necessity to get to a degree.
*1:58:50** "Rivalry, in a world of exponential tech, does self-terminate." That's a major idea, and sums up a lot of Daniel's thinking, and this talk, in one very concise sentence. Bravo.*
@@zyxwvutsrqponmlkjihgfedcba0 Stop virtue signaling having no virtues to signal, or I'm going to virtue signal about virtue signaling until it becomes a never ending loop eventually eating this whole comment section.
Watching these two play with ideas of this magnitude was very impressive. One gets the feeling that Daniel is correct when he says that these types of interactions ARE the portal of hope to a better world.
Most excellent! This is the conversation we need to have at this moment, now more than ever! Change is difficult, but our current system is failing us in unacceptable ways. We need viable paths forward that are systemically stable and sustainable. I genuinely hope to hear more on this in our cultural mind space. Bravo!
Looking forward to devouring this throughout the day. These are probably the two most engaging thinkers I'm following at the moment, really grateful you managed to have a one-on-one discussion before the lockdown.
The crazy thing about this interview is this REALLY IS Daniel-while-tired. You should hear Daniel's interviews with Future Thinkers podcast when he was well rested. Stunningly brilliant dude.
@@MattHabermehl I think Eric brings a lot more out of Daniels ideas that are not discussed in other podcast. In other podcast Daniel is allowed to speak freely (which is amazing), and leads to less critical thinking about the ideas. As Daniel said at the end, he really values someone having an honest critical conversation about these ideas.
I love Eric. He’s such an intellectual behemoth and he knows it. He has an intense confidence in his intelligence, almost to a fault. He is also unmistakably humble and generous about his niche as a genius. He assumes that everyone can comprehend what he says, but is also generous when he immediately tries to reframe his statements to be more understandable to alternative thought routes. I think he’s an excellent role model to people who struggled with having a natural intelligence but may have faced obstacles in academia and were discouraged.
@@ZeldaZonk-zt8fr pretty sure Carl Sagan wasn't either. Catholic is overrated. I was one when I was younger, it's not all it's cracked up to be. As long as your a decent good person that's what matters.
I have come to realize that there has to be something in the drinking water ! I say this only because we are so distracted by the trivial that when two grown men can sit and chat in a brainy well thought out dialogue touching so many hot-buttons that we feel and only relize and immediately comprehend, ummmm kind of makes you wonder !
Great conversation guys. Watching you search for each other for the first 2 hours was interesting. The next 90 minutes was truly compelling. I hope you pick this up again soon.
Eric this is quite possibly the best podcast I have ever listened to. Please have Daniel Schmachtenberger on again, the dynamic between his ideas and your intellectual rigor is incredibly complementary. Thank you for creating this show
Will have to watch this again to fully digest it all. Amazing stuff. It’s admirable that you’re willing to sacrifice your want/need for privacy to potentially expand the collective viewpoint. Thank you. 💚
Such a great conversation! I’d love to hear Daniel Schmachtenberger also interviewed with more questions connecting his environmental, civilization etc concerns to ‘spiritual’ (beyond game B) themes and the possible trajectories still open for us in the time we have left. This guy runs deep ..
Assume we succeed in dispersing throughout the universe. Won’t we still have to deal with the issue of evolving to a higher consciousness eventually? I see diaspora as kicking the can down the road. We can shoot for both. Then maybe we can connect with other life forms who are on the same path, and we can all win.
@@kensurrency2564 Crews will break down if they aren't trained well enough, or raised Game B or Proto B. Which means, we wise up, or most of us die on this rock.
I've long awaited this conversation. Thank you!! Watched it when it came out, just giving it a second glance. You two are in my top 5 most in need of noticing. Thank you for putting this on.
I am a HUGE Daniel Schmactenberger fan. Daniel, I too see the world that you see before us. It is a world of love instead of the current world based in fear. You are headed in the right direction. We will change the world!
@@KevinJDildonik Hilarious summary. Wondering whether your opinion that his philosophy is 'nonsense' is based on a credible critique of his writings (i.e. An Immanent Metaphysics) or whether (like me) its seems so vague and incomprehensible that its just easier to call it that? Desperately seeking someone smarter than me that can detail why his ideas do or don't make sense.
Wow, thank you for this. This is perhaps one of the most important interviews I have ever seen. Great and important ideas, great dialogue. Looking forward to part 2 ;)
The quality of content within this interview is without rival. This is the first time I've heard of Daniel. He has an ability to clearly state insightful, actionable observations pertaining to our world in an attempt to improve it. His ability to discuss at length the nuances of each point is only rivalled by Eric's ability to allow his guest to speak and make their point without interruption. A unique ability from both men. Bravo Gentlemen.
Thank you for inviting these amazing people to have a well shared knowledge experience. Very in-depth, mind bending topics. Many blessings to you and fellow Portal watchers. 🌿✨
This episode is absolutely dazzling with thought and idea "gems"! I just discovered Daniel in the last month or two and I just love the ideas and perspectives that he shares. He is wiser, better informed, better educated and more eloquent than I, and yet I've never encountered anyone whose ideology and aspirations are as similar to my own-on so many topics! I certainly believe in exposing myself to opposing and challenging voices and opinions-an echo chamber does not promote growth or learning-but sometimes, when my opinions or perspectives seem to be at odds with everyone else's I am forced to question and reconsider them (it would be foolish and arrogant not to!), so it is really very reassuring and comforting to finally hear such thoughts and ideas coming from someone else-especially from someone with such a reputation and respect as Daniel has earned.
Man, this conversation has given is amazing, maybe the first thing that has given me some spark of optimism about the potential of the future for some time. I love the back and forth dynamics between Eric and Daniel, amazing to listen to polymaths cover so much ground in a conversation like this.
By far and away my favorite interview on your podcast to date! And that's saying a lot! Thank you for bringing this individual to our attention, we need to hear far more from him!
I found Daniel on a channel called rebel wisdom recently and thought instantly, this man needs to speak to Eric Weinstein. I'm ecstatic this conversation actually happened! 💪🧠💚
@@breakawaybooks4752 You can listen to it earlier on some other websites. I listened to it yesterday for example, about 12 hours before it aired on youtube.
The one thing that Mr. Shmachtenberger first said was that the population went from 1/2 a billion people to 8 billion in a short amount of time said so much about the fundamental problem.
This is a great conversation. I had not previously heard of Daniel Schmachtenberger before. Thank you Eric for bringing him on The Portal. Daniel is now the newest member of intelligent people which whom I admire, simply for showing signs of intelligence. Collectively known as "The Brain Trust".
Or, addiction is a symptom of antisocial cultural disorder... but I suspect that the relationship is non-linear and requires forcing functions to maintain depravity.
Epic, legendary, beautiful, enlightening, what a conversation!! Sharing this with EVERYONE!! Thank you, thank you, thank you both for this. :-) Titans of thought. Much gratitude. Let's fix this darn planet, yo!
2:41:15 "As technology is empowering our choices and we are getting something like the power of Gods, you have to have something like the love and wisdom of Gods to wield that, or you self destruct." -Daniel Reminds me of what Eric said on Rogan's podcast: "We are Gods but for the wisdom." So interesting to see how Eric and Daniel share many thoughts, even while fundamentally disagreeing in some areas and coming from very different backgrounds. Bravo
Always appreciate Eric's choice of his guests. Mind stimulating ideas of Daniel for the future generations, make a lot of sense for some vibrations and Eric shows again that no frequency is alien to him..
Yes I think that Eric is doing really a great job here. It is really very good to see Daniel having a real conversation, this does not happen in other videos.
Yes Please do this again. How I am keeping up with you guys entirely surprises me, in a pleasant way...thank you for the effort, the risk and the sharing of thoughts and ideas that like pollen cling to the fibres of my mind
What Eric hopes will happen: Podcast inspires a generation of thinkers to act in the world and make positive change Reality: Podcast inspires a generation of thinkers to podcast I think there is a serious problem with the thinker vs doer dichotomy we have. I suspect that modern education has a major role but haven’t quite sorted it out yet.
Respectfully disagree: The issues Eric raises are rather fundamental, such that more "thinking together" (including podcasts) is the best his audience could do, to further work things out. Too much half-baked political actionism these days, or as Zizek puts it: "We need thinking" ( ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-MtPghWHAQfs.html ).
@@justinyarbrough4821 there is a nice psychological model that made me understand (longtime thinker) how to get into doing. different emotions trigger different state of minds. positive emotions are needed to motivate doing, while frustration of positive emotions make you think. thinking people do have a tendency to stay in the safety of frustration.
@@fensteroffen The tragedy of inaction. Oh how long did I suffer that. And for me what got me really going was not the mediation or as you mentioned focussing on the positive. It was simply biological. My body was weak and used a inefficient power source. Getting into ketosis removed a deep layer of fog I had on my cognitive functions. It's very eye opening.
"I can't imagine a system that gets us out of our nature". Yet this has always been the historic role of religion; good to hear at least the Bhuddist tradition mentioned.
Yet, they want to end the Christian religion. The one that instills morals and a sense of duty toward society. What exactly do they want in its place? Sick times.
Daniel was not screwed up by university-systems, nor by religions, why he, thanks to his intelligence, still is able to surf deeply into many fields, accumulating their essences out, keeping depth, not getting banal. Academic scholars get brushed until there is no hair and self think left anymore, sadly losing this way width and associative capacity to get their fields forward. He became an impressive heterodox thinking human being mostly by autodidact learning following interest and not pale necessity to get to a degree.
How you are going to separate religion from human nature? It tries to provide answers to questions which people naturally have, and of course is always corrupted by mans desire for power. It is just one example of ideas that might be nice on paper, but people cannot get to work as intended - almost like socialism. Humans as collective cannot run away from their nature, and it doesn`t matter which ideology claims to so, it still never has and never will happen without changing human itself - maybe someday via technology, but I guess then they will be called cyborgs and not humans.
At 3:25:55 Daniel begins to describe “the worst psychology “ and how it is a prominent if not dominant feature of our culture... jealously, envy, covetousness. And while I don’t disagree, haven’t religions been addressing these matters for eons? To the genie Ivan said: “I want Boris goat to die.”
This is a weird way of thinking about it, because a religion/religion substitute that regulates human behavior very much is an emergent property of human nature
I love listening to intelligent people having lengthy discussions, and these two are really really good at it. They are such patient conversationalists. It's impressive that they listen to each other so well...something to aspire to.
