Daniel Wallace: Did the Ancient Church Muzzle the Canon? 

Same at 12 years ago! Still excellent quality. Hello from the future.

Behold His Glory PLEASE if you can sense the deadness of the institutional church system but can't put your finger on it. I'm pleading with you to understand something extremely important here. The mainstream Christian system is not of God. Rev 17:5 - "Mystery, Babylon The Great, The Mother Of Harlots, And Abominations Of The Earth." Mystery Babylon The Great is the Vatican - “And the woman which thou sawest, is that great Citie which reigneth ouer the kings of the earth.” - Rev 17:18 And she has harlot daughters which represent the protestant churches. And “the Abominations Of The Earth” are corrupt scriptures. And the final bible that will unite all faiths is called Wormwood/the Abomination of desolation. cvillebiblebaptist.com/AdultEducation/Vatican%20and%20United%20Nations%20Bible.pdf And Jesus Christ is calling His people out. Rev 18:4 “And I heard another voice from heauen, saying, Come out of her, my people, that yee be not partakers of her sinnes, and that yee receiue not of her plagues:” The very first thing you need to understand is that GOD CAN BE TRUSTED to preserve His word for every generation forever as He promises us in Psalms 12:6-7 and you don’t need men to teach you. 1 John 2:27 “But the anointing which ye haue receiued of him, abideth in you: and yee need not that any man teach you: But, as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is trueth, and is no lye: and euen as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.” It’s vital to know, especially right now, that God has kept His word in tact. There is still an every word testimony with us! The following clip by Reg Block is what the Lord used to open my eyes to the truth of Gods promises in Mark 13:31, Psalm 12:6-7, Psalms 138:2, and Matt 4:4 and so on. It’s not more lifeless information. It is powerful and life changing and I’m grateful for it! ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-tAMOquyQu-8.html The next video is a lesson by John Doerr on the pure word of God in the English language, which is found in the av1611 kjv. This is a much different testimony than the King James bible you are able to easily find in the churches and the so called "Christian bookstores". Please pray and genuinely take this before the Lord. He will show you. (Prepare to be attacked once you start down this path) The devil and his ministers don’t want this going out. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-C9lIWdQ0rc0.html I prayed a long time to know what the truth was, because over the years I grew increasingly confused, frustrated, misguided and so on.. But like most of us, I kept returning to church Sunday after next hoping something would change. If I sang more, prayed harder, got more involved, etc, ...maybe something would give. But nothing ever did. I must have walked a thousand isles. It had gotten to a point where a friend at the time said, “just try and sing". He meant well, but it was always disingenuous so I never did. Long story short - my whole Christian life was that way until recently. (powerless) God has since opened my eyes and I trust Him implicitly like never before. I really hope this reaches somebody. If this is you... honestly, please look into what I’m saying. God is rich in mercy and His patience is unmatched. He's been drawing me for a long time. Maybe He’s drawing you too and this is the message you needed. This link is a series of interviews between Reg Block and John Doerr that go in depth regarding Johns trip to England for the purposes of co-producing three films: A lamp in the dark, Tares among the wheat and A bridge to babylon. The three films (free to watch), cover the history of the bible. More specifically the preservation of Gods word and the measures that have been taken to cast doubt on, and ultimately destroy it. (it's a treasure of information for the Saints) - find the first interview to start on. ru-vid.com/show-UCIfGUbjTsGu1dfoNqYUZzmgvideos here is one very final clip on the "servants of Lucifer" ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-DuVTlYYos0c.html "(if it were possible,) they shall deceiue the very elect.” It’s imperative to understand that the av1611 is much different than the 1769 KJV that most believe is the true 1611 but is not. The KJV only movement doesn’t use the authorized version of 1611 either. This is the bible that Rome has been trying to destroy and cast doubt on since its inception. Everything, from the gun powder plot to false rumours of King James being gay. It contains all the prophecies in tact. Things like, what is the mark of the beast, what is wormwood, who and what is Antichrist, who are Leviathan and Behemoth representations of, and so on. If the scriptures are broken, the prophets are killed and the church can’t hear what the Spirit is saying. freely ye haue receiued, freely giue.” Matt 10:8

Very good work 👍👍

@@underwaves75 Hi there, I just read your comment. Where can I buy this Bible ? I am trying to learn the word of God, so I want to make sure I am reading the right Bible. Thank you ! PS I want to watch these films you mentioned as well.

You eat murderous McDonald's Perdue and Tyson and won't get a free pass from Jesus.

Ryan D. Hammond a further challenge PLEASE if you can sense the deadness of the institutional church system but can't put your finger on it. I'm pleading with you to understand something extremely important here. The mainstream Christian system is not of God. Rev 17:5 - "Mystery, Babylon The Great, The Mother Of Harlots, And Abominations Of The Earth." Mystery Babylon The Great is the Vatican - “And the woman which thou sawest, is that great Citie which reigneth ouer the kings of the earth.” - Rev 17:18 And she has harlot daughters which represent the protestant churches. And “the Abominations Of The Earth” are corrupt scriptures. And the final bible that will unite all faiths is called Wormwood/the Abomination of desolation. cvillebiblebaptist.com/AdultEducation/Vatican%20and%20United%20Nations%20Bible.pdf And Jesus Christ is calling His people out. Rev 18:4 “And I heard another voice from heauen, saying, Come out of her, my people, that yee be not partakers of her sinnes, and that yee receiue not of her plagues:” The very first thing you need to understand is that GOD CAN BE TRUSTED to preserve His word for every generation forever as He promises us in Psalms 12:6-7 and you don’t need men to teach you. 1 John 2:27 “But the anointing which ye haue receiued of him, abideth in you: and yee need not that any man teach you: But, as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is trueth, and is no lye: and euen as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.” It’s vital to know, especially right now, that God has kept His word in tact. There is still an every word testimony with us! The following clip by Reg Block is what the Lord used to open my eyes to the truth of Gods promises in Mark 13:31, Psalm 12:6-7, Psalms 138:2, and Matt 4:4 and so on. It’s not more lifeless information. It is powerful and life changing and I’m grateful for it! ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-tAMOquyQu-8.html The next video is a lesson by John Doerr on the pure word of God in the English language, which is found in the av1611 kjv. This is a much different testimony than the King James bible you are able to easily find in the churches and the so called "Christian bookstores". Please pray and genuinely take this before the Lord. He will show you. (Prepare to be attacked once you start down this path) The devil and his ministers don’t want this going out. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-C9lIWdQ0rc0.html I prayed a long time to know what the truth was, because over the years I grew increasingly confused, frustrated, misguided and so on.. But like most of us, I kept returning to church Sunday after next hoping something would change. If I sang more, prayed harder, got more involved, etc, ...maybe something would give. But nothing ever did. I must have walked a thousand isles. It had gotten to a point where a friend at the time said, “just try and sing". He meant well, but it was always disingenuous so I never did. Long story short - my whole Christian life was that way until recently. (powerless) God has since opened my eyes and I trust Him implicitly like never before. I really hope this reaches somebody. If this is you... honestly, please look into what I’m saying. God is rich in mercy and His patience is unmatched. He's been drawing me for a long time. Maybe He’s drawing you too and this is the message you needed. This link is a series of interviews between Reg Block and John Doerr that go in depth regarding Johns trip to England for the purposes of co-producing three films: A lamp in the dark, Tares among the wheat and A bridge to babylon. The three films (free to watch), cover the history of the bible. More specifically the preservation of Gods word and the measures that have been taken to cast doubt on, and ultimately destroy it. (it's a treasure of information for the Saints) - find the first interview to start on. ru-vid.com/show-UCIfGUbjTsGu1dfoNqYUZzmgvideos here is one very final clip on the "servants of Lucifer" ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-DuVTlYYos0c.html "(if it were possible,) they shall deceiue the very elect.” It’s imperative to understand that the av1611 is much different than the 1769 KJV that most believe is the true 1611 but is not. The KJV only movement doesn’t use the authorized version of 1611 either. This is the bible that Rome has been trying to destroy and cast doubt on since its inception. Everything, from the gun powder plot to false rumours of King James being gay. It contains all the prophecies in tact. Things like, what is the mark of the beast, what is wormwood, who and what is Antichrist, who are Leviathan and Behemoth representations of, and so on. If the scriptures are broken, the prophets are killed and the church can’t hear what the Spirit is saying. freely ye haue receiued, freely giue.” Matt 10:8

Amen…..for if Jesus did not rise up then we are surely to be pitied

Well-said sir.

@Douglas J Understand the context. The canon was created by the apostles themselves. But when we go to the apocrypha, was men with no authority that add them as scripture, so “they” the true church of God during time threw them out because that was not from the apostles’ canon.

@@thomasglass9491 Thanks for your reply. Are you suggesting the apostles determined the canon after they died? Most agree all the apostles were dead by 90 or 100 AD. The canon was not settled for many years after that. Peace.

@Douglas J After they die, absolutely not. But Yes, during when they were alive. We have evidence that every single book of the NT were written before 70AD. Paul, in his letters call the gospel of Luke scripture. Peter call Paul’s letters scripture. They knew immediately after writing that their work was scripture. They had the power and inspiration to write and established the canon. The Church doesn’t have the power to write neither to established the canon.

@@douglasj2254 The Apostle John had the complete canon at the time of his death. All of Ezra's 22 books of the old Testament and 27 of the New Testament. 22+27 = 49(7x7). God's Spirit completed the canon.

@@thomasglass9491 I mean, do you have any scholarly sources for that? Most historians agree that the canon was put together post-Council of Nicaea, either at the Council of Rome or Carthage in the late fourth century. And I would disagree on the notion that the Church doesn't have the power to establish a canon. Even Mr. Wallace would disagree with you, given his video. If the Church are led by valid apostolic successors, why wouldn't they have that power?

Love to you too

That's the authority of the Church you're referring too. The Church had the authority to say "we need to create a canon."

And this is when you become Catholic because you realize there must’ve been an authoritative church that determined canon

It's not a "teaching" it's an observation. It happened organically. Wallace said in this video something to the effect of "they were the sort of books that no one could keep from getting into the NT - they have the "ring of truth" in them." I find it telling that the greatest and most accredited and published Christian academics ever are/were NOT Roman Catholic. Bruce Metzger is a notable example.

@@zacharyevans8152 accredited academics? Who cares? Read the Church fathers, ALL of them are Catholic

"of course"

As an orthodox priest, I could not agree more. There is a flaw on their logic.

I think you should re-watch the video you’ve missed important information.

@Rev. J. Roger Allen But the canon was established before that. Even the Latin Bible of 157AD, had the 27 books of NT.

@@thomasglass9491is there evidence of a whole bible in 157 ad with all the New Testament books? Why didn’t Justin martyr mention it at all?

Lask Greek George this is wisdom PLEASE if you can sense the deadness of the institutional church system but can't put your finger on it. I'm pleading with you to understand something extremely important here. The mainstream Christian system is not of God. Rev 17:5 - "Mystery, Babylon The Great, The Mother Of Harlots, And Abominations Of The Earth." Mystery Babylon The Great is the Vatican - “And the woman which thou sawest, is that great Citie which reigneth ouer the kings of the earth.” - Rev 17:18 And she has harlot daughters which represent the protestant churches. And “the Abominations Of The Earth” are corrupt scriptures. And the final bible that will unite all faiths is called Wormwood/the Abomination of desolation. cvillebiblebaptist.com/AdultEducation/Vatican%20and%20United%20Nations%20Bible.pdf And Jesus Christ is calling His people out. Rev 18:4 “And I heard another voice from heauen, saying, Come out of her, my people, that yee be not partakers of her sinnes, and that yee receiue not of her plagues:” The very first thing you need to understand is that GOD CAN BE TRUSTED to preserve His word for every generation forever as He promises us in Psalms 12:6-7 and you don’t need men to teach you. 1 John 2:27 “But the anointing which ye haue receiued of him, abideth in you: and yee need not that any man teach you: But, as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is trueth, and is no lye: and euen as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.” It’s vital to know, especially right now, that God has kept His word in tact. There is still an every word testimony with us! The following clip by Reg Block is what the Lord used to open my eyes to the truth of Gods promises in Mark 13:31, Psalm 12:6-7, Psalms 138:2, and Matt 4:4 and so on. It’s not more lifeless information. It is powerful and life changing and I’m grateful for it! ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-tAMOquyQu-8.html The next video is a lesson by John Doerr on the pure word of God in the English language, which is found in the av1611 kjv. This is a much different testimony than the King James bible you are able to easily find in the churches and the so called "Christian bookstores". Please pray and genuinely take this before the Lord. He will show you. (Prepare to be attacked once you start down this path) The devil and his ministers don’t want this going out. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-C9lIWdQ0rc0.html I prayed a long time to know what the truth was, because over the years I grew increasingly confused, frustrated, misguided and so on.. But like most of us, I kept returning to church Sunday after next hoping something would change. If I sang more, prayed harder, got more involved, etc, ...maybe something would give. But nothing ever did. I must have walked a thousand isles. It had gotten to a point where a friend at the time said, “just try and sing". He meant well, but it was always disingenuous so I never did. Long story short - my whole Christian life was that way until recently. (powerless) God has since opened my eyes and I trust Him implicitly like never before. I really hope this reaches somebody. If this is you... honestly, please look into what I’m saying. God is rich in mercy and His patience is unmatched. He's been drawing me for a long time. Maybe He’s drawing you too and this is the message you needed. This link is a series of interviews between Reg Block and John Doerr that go in depth regarding Johns trip to England for the purposes of co-producing three films: A lamp in the dark, Tares among the wheat and A bridge to babylon. The three films (free to watch), cover the history of the bible. More specifically the preservation of Gods word and the measures that have been taken to cast doubt on, and ultimately destroy it. (it's a treasure of information for the Saints) - find the first interview to start on. ru-vid.com/show-UCIfGUbjTsGu1dfoNqYUZzmgvideos here is one very final clip on the "servants of Lucifer" ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-DuVTlYYos0c.html "(if it were possible,) they shall deceiue the very elect.” It’s imperative to understand that the av1611 is much different than the 1769 KJV that most believe is the true 1611 but is not. The KJV only movement doesn’t use the authorized version of 1611 either. This is the bible that Rome has been trying to destroy and cast doubt on since its inception. Everything, from the gun powder plot to false rumours of King James being gay. It contains all the prophecies in tact. Things like, what is the mark of the beast, what is wormwood, who and what is Antichrist, who are Leviathan and Behemoth representations of, and so on. If the scriptures are broken, the prophets are killed and the church can’t hear what the Spirit is saying. freely ye haue receiued, freely giue.” Matt 10:8

@Mike Scarborough Stop going on and one with each person using your copy and paste message dude, anyone whose read this comments section knows you just keep repeating yourself! Give it a rest! You write using U instead of V's as if the world is still in 1611, that shows a bit of an obsession dude! Listen to this clip about the KJV and others, and understand why your 1611-kjv-only-ism may not serve you entirely well! Dan Wallace says he will use 5 different Bibles.. for different reasons.. At first I was resistant because I like and prefer KJV, and was a bit into only-ism myself! Listen right through, even if offended to start with, you'll understand why by the end.. If you make it through the video I'm pretty sure you'll be better equipped to help others afterwards.. I believe you'll be quite relieved actually.. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-ZjSBnZSa1oQ.html By the way, one of the Bible's in his list of 5 which he uses side by side each other.. is KJV So persevere with the video and you'll be glad you did..

What are you wbabbling about

Is not that he “lost” his faith, is that he never had it. He claimed to be a Christian, but he never was one. God never revealed himself to him. Because if he was a truly a Christian, the Holy Spirit would be the seal of his salvation.

​@@thomasglass9491yup a forgery in human form

Betsy Ross PLEASE if you can sense the deadness of the institutional church system but can't put your finger on it. I'm pleading with you to understand something extremely important here. The mainstream Christian system is not of God. Rev 17:5 - "Mystery, Babylon The Great, The Mother Of Harlots, And Abominations Of The Earth." Mystery Babylon The Great is the Vatican - “And the woman which thou sawest, is that great Citie which reigneth ouer the kings of the earth.” - Rev 17:18 And she has harlot daughters which represent the protestant churches. And “the Abominations Of The Earth” are corrupt scriptures. And the final bible that will unite all faiths is called Wormwood/the Abomination of desolation. cvillebiblebaptist.com/AdultEducation/Vatican%20and%20United%20Nations%20Bible.pdf And Jesus Christ is calling His people out. Rev 18:4 “And I heard another voice from heauen, saying, Come out of her, my people, that yee be not partakers of her sinnes, and that yee receiue not of her plagues:” The very first thing you need to understand is that GOD CAN BE TRUSTED to preserve His word for every generation forever as He promises us in Psalms 12:6-7 and you don’t need men to teach you. 1 John 2:27 “But the anointing which ye haue receiued of him, abideth in you: and yee need not that any man teach you: But, as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is trueth, and is no lye: and euen as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.” It’s vital to know, especially right now, that God has kept His word in tact. There is still an every word testimony with us! The following clip by Reg Block is what the Lord used to open my eyes to the truth of Gods promises in Mark 13:31, Psalm 12:6-7, Psalms 138:2, and Matt 4:4 and so on. It’s not more lifeless information. It is powerful and life changing and I’m grateful for it! ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-tAMOquyQu-8.html The next video is a lesson by John Doerr on the pure word of God in the English language, which is found in the av1611 kjv. This is a much different testimony than the King James bible you are able to easily find in the churches and the so called "Christian bookstores". Please pray and genuinely take this before the Lord. He will show you. (Prepare to be attacked once you start down this path) The devil and his ministers don’t want this going out. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-C9lIWdQ0rc0.html I prayed a long time to know what the truth was, because over the years I grew increasingly confused, frustrated, misguided and so on.. But like most of us, I kept returning to church Sunday after next hoping something would change. If I sang more, prayed harder, got more involved, etc, ...maybe something would give. But nothing ever did. I must have walked a thousand isles. It had gotten to a point where a friend at the time said, “just try and sing". He meant well, but it was always disingenuous so I never did. Long story short - my whole Christian life was that way until recently. (powerless) God has since opened my eyes and I trust Him implicitly like never before. I really hope this reaches somebody. If this is you... honestly, please look into what I’m saying. God is rich in mercy and His patience is unmatched. He's been drawing me for a long time. Maybe He’s drawing you too and this is the message you needed. This link is a series of interviews between Reg Block and John Doerr that go in depth regarding Johns trip to England for the purposes of co-producing three films: A lamp in the dark, Tares among the wheat and A bridge to babylon. The three films (free to watch), cover the history of the bible. More specifically the preservation of Gods word and the measures that have been taken to cast doubt on, and ultimately destroy it. (it's a treasure of information for the Saints) - find the first interview to start on. ru-vid.com/show-UCIfGUbjTsGu1dfoNqYUZzmgvideos here is one very final clip on the "servants of Lucifer" ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-DuVTlYYos0c.html "(if it were possible,) they shall deceiue the very elect.” It’s imperative to understand that the av1611 is much different than the 1769 KJV that most believe is the true 1611 but is not. The KJV only movement doesn’t use the authorized version of 1611 either. This is the bible that Rome has been trying to destroy and cast doubt on since its inception. Everything, from the gun powder plot to false rumours of King James being gay. It contains all the prophecies in tact. Things like, what is the mark of the beast, what is wormwood, who and what is Antichrist, who are Leviathan and Behemoth representations of, and so on. If the scriptures are broken, the prophets are killed and the church can’t hear what the Spirit is saying. freely ye haue receiued, freely giue.” Matt 10:8

@@underwaves75 _YAWN_ Sorry, I don't read pamphlet length comments so your effort was wasted on me.

Not sure about Jubilees but the early church accepted the rest of those books. It's only been about 150 years that they've been erroneously removed.

because on the resource the jews don't have or use apocrypha books like jubilees on their scriptures and its not on the kjv bible one of the preacher that i know don't use them also but now his using it in preaching and i don't know if its right or wrong because in the new testament they didn't mention any of those apocrypha books unlike the old testament they were mentioned in new testament like the book of jonah,job,Ezekiel etc. but the apocrypha books were never mentioned and it makes me curious and confuse

Check out the channel nathanh83. Actually the original kjv had the apocrypha in it and Jesus and the apostles did quote from some of the apocryphal books. We actually have books in the canon today that were never quoted in the NT. We have early church writings, the greek septuagint, Dead Sea scrolls that show those books belong. And just because the Jews reject some books doesn't mean anything, since they also reject isaiah 53, and they rejected their Messiah. But I think if you check out Nathan's channel you'll find some clarity there, he has some videos but there's more on his community tab. Also theirs a book called "rebooting the bible" that might help.

thank you lena

@@joshuadecaran3233 punctuation please.

The Shepherd of Hermas was written in the mid second century. It was very highly regarded, but it was never accepted into the Can. The Muratorian Canon speaks highly of it but stops short of treating it as bearing the same authority as the New Testament books precisely because of its mid 2nd century authorship.

I just finished reading the Epistle of Barnabas and I found it in line with the new testament. I enjoyed it.

@@damienbeckett4935 Everyone knows it wasn't accepted into the canon. That's why it's not in the bible...

You babble a lot

Someone may quote from a book not in the canon but that does not mean that any book quoted from belongs to the books accepted for the Bible.

+adam ropp No, he is saying that the other gospels (Thomas, Peter, etc) are not associated with them during their time. In other words, Matt. Mark Luke and John are all dated in the 1st century. all these other non-canon gospels are way after that.

jj95east Ahh, I see. Thanks for clarifying that. It also seems confusing that he states either here or in a different video that certain pieces were left out of the canon because the stories were too extravagant. Example: Paul escapes a hostile arena by jumping and riding off on a lion. Other stories seem just as extravagant. Any insight from you would be very much appreciated.

The scribes responsible were looking at serous inconsistencies--the most obvious being examples of spurious gospels that portray Jesus as just an ordinary man. There's an intrinsic message that weaves the books, both old and new testaments, together. This can be seen by any serious reader who actually does the work and studies the various books. Any book, weather the Bible, or any other book, has an internal consistency in its story or message.

Around the 9:30 mark you'll see that he talks about a book that had content that they DID like, but they rejected. The criteria for discovering inspiration is at least tri-fold, if not more. You cannot take just one of them on their own.

quran.ksu.edu.sa/index.php?l=en#aya=1_1&m=hafs&qaree=husary&trans=en_sh

jannmutube PLEASE if you can sense the deadness of the institutional church system but can't put your finger on it. I'm pleading with you to understand something extremely important here. The mainstream Christian system is not of God. Rev 17:5 - "Mystery, Babylon The Great, The Mother Of Harlots, And Abominations Of The Earth." Mystery Babylon The Great is the Vatican - “And the woman which thou sawest, is that great Citie which reigneth ouer the kings of the earth.” - Rev 17:18 And she has harlot daughters which represent the protestant churches. And “the Abominations Of The Earth” are corrupt scriptures. And the final bible that will unite all faiths is called Wormwood/the Abomination of desolation. cvillebiblebaptist.com/AdultEducation/Vatican%20and%20United%20Nations%20Bible.pdf And Jesus Christ is calling His people out. Rev 18:4 “And I heard another voice from heauen, saying, Come out of her, my people, that yee be not partakers of her sinnes, and that yee receiue not of her plagues:” The very first thing you need to understand is that GOD CAN BE TRUSTED to preserve His word for every generation forever as He promises us in Psalms 12:6-7 and you don’t need men to teach you. 1 John 2:27 “But the anointing which ye haue receiued of him, abideth in you: and yee need not that any man teach you: But, as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is trueth, and is no lye: and euen as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.” It’s vital to know, especially right now, that God has kept His word in tact. There is still an every word testimony with us! The following clip by Reg Block is what the Lord used to open my eyes to the truth of Gods promises in Mark 13:31, Psalm 12:6-7, Psalms 138:2, and Matt 4:4 and so on. It’s not more lifeless information. It is powerful and life changing and I’m grateful for it! ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-tAMOquyQu-8.html The next video is a lesson by John Doerr on the pure word of God in the English language, which is found in the av1611 kjv. This is a much different testimony than the King James bible you are able to easily find in the churches and the so called "Christian bookstores". Please pray and genuinely take this before the Lord. He will show you. (Prepare to be attacked once you start down this path) The devil and his ministers don’t want this going out. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-C9lIWdQ0rc0.html I prayed a long time to know what the truth was, because over the years I grew increasingly confused, frustrated, misguided and so on.. But like most of us, I kept returning to church Sunday after next hoping something would change. If I sang more, prayed harder, got more involved, etc, ...maybe something would give. But nothing ever did. I must have walked a thousand isles. It had gotten to a point where a friend at the time said, “just try and sing". He meant well, but it was always disingenuous so I never did. Long story short - my whole Christian life was that way until recently. (powerless) God has since opened my eyes and I trust Him implicitly like never before. I really hope this reaches somebody. If this is you... honestly, please look into what I’m saying. God is rich in mercy and His patience is unmatched. He's been drawing me for a long time. Maybe He’s drawing you too and this is the message you needed. This link is a series of interviews between Reg Block and John Doerr that go in depth regarding Johns trip to England for the purposes of co-producing three films: A lamp in the dark, Tares among the wheat and A bridge to babylon. The three films (free to watch), cover the history of the bible. More specifically the preservation of Gods word and the measures that have been taken to cast doubt on, and ultimately destroy it. (it's a treasure of information for the Saints) - find the first interview to start on. ru-vid.com/show-UCIfGUbjTsGu1dfoNqYUZzmgvideos here is one very final clip on the "servants of Lucifer" ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-DuVTlYYos0c.html "(if it were possible,) they shall deceiue the very elect.” It’s imperative to understand that the av1611 is much different than the 1769 KJV that most believe is the true 1611 but is not. The KJV only movement doesn’t use the authorized version of 1611 either. This is the bible that Rome has been trying to destroy and cast doubt on since its inception. Everything, from the gun powder plot to false rumours of King James being gay. It contains all the prophecies in tact. Things like, what is the mark of the beast, what is wormwood, who and what is Antichrist, who are Leviathan and Behemoth representations of, and so on. If the scriptures are broken, the prophets are killed and the church can’t hear what the Spirit is saying. freely ye haue receiued, freely giue.” Matt 10:8

​@@underwaves75 ---- > It sounds like your complaint is with some who serve as ministers (Proverbs, 15: 11, Matthew 23: 13). . The Revelation says "the whore sits on many waters". It's not referring to the inspired word of God. ... I hope you will be careful in your language against the King James Bible and other versions. It is the inspired word of God by the Holy Ghost. The KJV teaches the necessary doctrine of faith in Christ to be saved. Religious ideologies like Islam, Mormonism, and Jehovah Witnesses do not. The Bible doesn't make a claim of perfect preservation, it only says God's words will never pass away. Matthew 24: 35, "Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away" . --- > I think so many different versions can create confusion for some, but the meaning of New Testament versions read the same meaning: the Word of God was made flesh (born of a virgin, the only begotten Son of the Father), he suffered under Pontius Pilate, was crucified, died, was buried, and rose from the dead on the third day, he will come again in glory to judge the living and the dead, and his kingdom will have no end. . www.biblegateway.com/verse/en/Matthew%2028:18 There are many partial manuscripts and fragments from the 1st century that were organized into two Bibles. The Alexandrian text is the one used to make so many versions. The KJV comes from Antioch where the Apostles and early church fathers (bishops) were centered. . How we got the bible. Where it comes from. Only 2 bibles... ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-1Xxjl61DCtI.html . ---- > The KJV was translated from the original Koine Greek. It was the first translation that made the scriptures available to all people, not just the bishops of the church. I . If you have a specific objection or question, I will try to answer you about it. History of The King James Bible: God's Perfect Word ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-eGwwScorP6w.html

r liikanen PLEASE if you can sense the deadness of the institutional church system but can't put your finger on it. I'm pleading with you to understand something extremely important here. The mainstream Christian system is not of God. Rev 17:5 - "Mystery, Babylon The Great, The Mother Of Harlots, And Abominations Of The Earth." Mystery Babylon The Great is the Vatican - “And the woman which thou sawest, is that great Citie which reigneth ouer the kings of the earth.” - Rev 17:18 And she has harlot daughters which represent the protestant churches. And “the Abominations Of The Earth” are corrupt scriptures. And the final bible that will unite all faiths is called Wormwood/the Abomination of desolation. cvillebiblebaptist.com/AdultEducation/Vatican%20and%20United%20Nations%20Bible.pdf And Jesus Christ is calling His people out. Rev 18:4 “And I heard another voice from heauen, saying, Come out of her, my people, that yee be not partakers of her sinnes, and that yee receiue not of her plagues:” The very first thing you need to understand is that GOD CAN BE TRUSTED to preserve His word for every generation forever as He promises us in Psalms 12:6-7 and you don’t need men to teach you. 1 John 2:27 “But the anointing which ye haue receiued of him, abideth in you: and yee need not that any man teach you: But, as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is trueth, and is no lye: and euen as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.” It’s vital to know, especially right now, that God has kept His word in tact. There is still an every word testimony with us! The following clip by Reg Block is what the Lord used to open my eyes to the truth of Gods promises in Mark 13:31, Psalm 12:6-7, Psalms 138:2, and Matt 4:4 and so on. It’s not more lifeless information. It is powerful and life changing and I’m grateful for it! ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-tAMOquyQu-8.html The next video is a lesson by John Doerr on the pure word of God in the English language, which is found in the av1611 kjv. This is a much different testimony than the King James bible you are able to easily find in the churches and the so called "Christian bookstores". Please pray and genuinely take this before the Lord. He will show you. (Prepare to be attacked once you start down this path) The devil and his ministers don’t want this going out. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-C9lIWdQ0rc0.html I prayed a long time to know what the truth was, because over the years I grew increasingly confused, frustrated, misguided and so on.. But like most of us, I kept returning to church Sunday after next hoping something would change. If I sang more, prayed harder, got more involved, etc, ...maybe something would give. But nothing ever did. I must have walked a thousand isles. It had gotten to a point where a friend at the time said, “just try and sing". He meant well, but it was always disingenuous so I never did. Long story short - my whole Christian life was that way until recently. (powerless) God has since opened my eyes and I trust Him implicitly like never before. I really hope this reaches somebody. If this is you... honestly, please look into what I’m saying. God is rich in mercy and His patience is unmatched. He's been drawing me for a long time. Maybe He’s drawing you too and this is the message you needed. This link is a series of interviews between Reg Block and John Doerr that go in depth regarding Johns trip to England for the purposes of co-producing three films: A lamp in the dark, Tares among the wheat and A bridge to babylon. The three films (free to watch), cover the history of the bible. More specifically the preservation of Gods word and the measures that have been taken to cast doubt on, and ultimately destroy it. (it's a treasure of information for the Saints) - find the first interview to start on. ru-vid.com/show-UCIfGUbjTsGu1dfoNqYUZzmgvideos here is one very final clip on the "servants of Lucifer" ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-DuVTlYYos0c.html "(if it were possible,) they shall deceiue the very elect.” It’s imperative to understand that the av1611 is much different than the 1769 KJV that most believe is the true 1611 but is not. The KJV only movement doesn’t use the authorized version of 1611 either. This is the bible that Rome has been trying to destroy and cast doubt on since its inception. Everything, from the gun powder plot to false rumours of King James being gay. It contains all the prophecies in tact. Things like, what is the mark of the beast, what is wormwood, who and what is Antichrist, who are Leviathan and Behemoth representations of, and so on. If the scriptures are broken, the prophets are killed and the church can’t hear what the Spirit is saying. freely ye haue receiued, freely giue.” Matt 10:8

Same criteria every other mss has for their work. If you apply it to every historical text then you'll probably end up wondering whether you are a fruit or a human.

Scroll back to the start and this time listen.

You have the Spirit of God? Then you can respond that question.

@@NThTwS repent and you'll see you are a son of God...

@Hector Hernandez What a sham way of deciding truth. In my experience, any time anyone talks about the “Spirit of God” directing their decisions, it coincidentally 99 times out of 100 can be reduced to that person’s projections, this “spirit” is just a convenient external agent that psychologically unaware people think is guiding them

You don't know much about history, do you? All the apostles spoke Greek. Greek was the Lingua Franca of that time, much like English is today. The Holy Land was for a few centuries before the apostolic age part of the Hellenistic world, having been conquered and colonized by the Seleucid Empire. They enacted a process of radical Hellenization, which was so pervasive and effective that many Jews even laid down their Jewish cultural practices and started living like Greeks. Certainly all of them could speak Greek, for some it was even a first language.

Originally written in Hebrew. Translated in Koine Greek. That's a fact biblical scholars are quite aware of.

@@PrairiePeony that's not true! The New Testament was originally written in Greek, NOT in Hebrew!! DK you really think the Galatians, Romans and Ephesians understood and read Hebrew? No!! EVERYONE in that region, including the Holy Land, spoke and read Greek, it was the Lingua Franca of the day. Remember Palestine was ruled by the Greek Seleucid Empire for a long time, before the Romans came.

corkystorky PLEASE if you can sense the deadness of the institutional church system but can't put your finger on it. I'm pleading with you to understand something extremely important here. The mainstream Christian system is not of God. Rev 17:5 - "Mystery, Babylon The Great, The Mother Of Harlots, And Abominations Of The Earth." Mystery Babylon The Great is the Vatican - “And the woman which thou sawest, is that great Citie which reigneth ouer the kings of the earth.” - Rev 17:18 And she has harlot daughters which represent the protestant churches. And “the Abominations Of The Earth” are corrupt scriptures. And the final bible that will unite all faiths is called Wormwood/the Abomination of desolation. cvillebiblebaptist.com/AdultEducation/Vatican%20and%20United%20Nations%20Bible.pdf And Jesus Christ is calling His people out. Rev 18:4 “And I heard another voice from heauen, saying, Come out of her, my people, that yee be not partakers of her sinnes, and that yee receiue not of her plagues:” The very first thing you need to understand is that GOD CAN BE TRUSTED to preserve His word for every generation forever as He promises us in Psalms 12:6-7 and you don’t need men to teach you. 1 John 2:27 “But the anointing which ye haue receiued of him, abideth in you: and yee need not that any man teach you: But, as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is trueth, and is no lye: and euen as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.” It’s vital to know, especially right now, that God has kept His word in tact. There is still an every word testimony with us! The following clip by Reg Block is what the Lord used to open my eyes to the truth of Gods promises in Mark 13:31, Psalm 12:6-7, Psalms 138:2, and Matt 4:4 and so on. It’s not more lifeless information. It is powerful and life changing and I’m grateful for it! ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-tAMOquyQu-8.html The next video is a lesson by John Doerr on the pure word of God in the English language, which is found in the av1611 kjv. This is a much different testimony than the King James bible you are able to easily find in the churches and the so called "Christian bookstores". Please pray and genuinely take this before the Lord. He will show you. (Prepare to be attacked once you start down this path) The devil and his ministers don’t want this going out. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-C9lIWdQ0rc0.html I prayed a long time to know what the truth was, because over the years I grew increasingly confused, frustrated, misguided and so on.. But like most of us, I kept returning to church Sunday after next hoping something would change. If I sang more, prayed harder, got more involved, etc, ...maybe something would give. But nothing ever did. I must have walked a thousand isles. It had gotten to a point where a friend at the time said, “just try and sing". He meant well, but it was always disingenuous so I never did. Long story short - my whole Christian life was that way until recently. (powerless) God has since opened my eyes and I trust Him implicitly like never before. I really hope this reaches somebody. If this is you... honestly, please look into what I’m saying. God is rich in mercy and His patience is unmatched. He's been drawing me for a long time. Maybe He’s drawing you too and this is the message you needed. This link is a series of interviews between Reg Block and John Doerr that go in depth regarding Johns trip to England for the purposes of co-producing three films: A lamp in the dark, Tares among the wheat and A bridge to babylon. The three films (free to watch), cover the history of the bible. More specifically the preservation of Gods word and the measures that have been taken to cast doubt on, and ultimately destroy it. (it's a treasure of information for the Saints) - find the first interview to start on. ru-vid.com/show-UCIfGUbjTsGu1dfoNqYUZzmgvideos here is one very final clip on the "servants of Lucifer" ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-DuVTlYYos0c.html "(if it were possible,) they shall deceiue the very elect.” It’s imperative to understand that the av1611 is much different than the 1769 KJV that most believe is the true 1611 but is not. The KJV only movement doesn’t use the authorized version of 1611 either. This is the bible that Rome has been trying to destroy and cast doubt on since its inception. Everything, from the gun powder plot to false rumours of King James being gay. It contains all the prophecies in tact. Things like, what is the mark of the beast, what is wormwood, who and what is Antichrist, who are Leviathan and Behemoth representations of, and so on. If the scriptures are broken, the prophets are killed and the church can’t hear what the Spirit is saying. freely ye haue receiued, freely giue.” Matt 10:8

@@underwaves75 Of course wrong doctrine would lead people to doing things contrary to God's will and still think it is God's will, thinking they're doing the right thing. The Word is here to guide us to the truth, to what is right.. that's all that matters for us humans since sin entered the world through Adam we would be guilty of sin and suffer its consequences. I don't care much about the king james whatever version that is because I look at the ancient texts even before the translators of the kjv were born. I can read greek so I can see where the argument is coming from. The thing about kjv is that it included a mistake in the scriptures which was unconsciously accepted as correct but the discovery of the mistake made the kjv incredible in terms of claims that it is inerrant in translation - the problem is the source itself not the translation, I mean if your faithfully copying a misspelled name, we could trust the sincerity of copying but looking at the copy and it's wrong, the copier must humbly accept he made a mistake - the mistake the kjv-ers don't want to do. As christians we just want to see we are united in what we believe, but if kjv-ers don't want to admit because they think they would lose the sales of the kjv in the stores... it's business, there's money in selling books that's the problem. I would know if you want to know the truth as you claim, if you want to know the mistake in the kjv I'm talking about, otherwise, thanks for the long reply at least you tried however my position is clear regarding kjv.

@@corkystorky why do you have to make the kjv debate about money? Don't misrepresent the intentions pf those who just don't trust anything that's not coming from the textus receptus, they don't do it for the money.

And they think it's strange too in the bible. Is this not the son of the carpenter? They say

I, and many, have had this thought as well. Studying helps to allay many/most of these kinds of reservations. Luke contains more about His childhood such as the story of Jesus leaving His parents for 3 days and, worried, they find Him in the temple. And He says to them, "Didn't you know I'd be in My Father's House?" Children were treated like dirt in those days so why would a child-Jesus wield any kind of influence? Miracles or not, even His disciples had trouble stomaching some of His teachings and "fully" believing in Him as referenced repeatedly by Jesus: "Oh ye of little faith". So a child version of Jesus would not have had the same caliber than that of an adult Jesus His family actually thought Jesus was crazy. James, Jesus' brother, didn't convert until the resurrection. So again, I see no reason for testimony about the life of Jesus as a child to hold any utility at all.

Frank Durant You say you listen only "to His soft tender and gentile voice" However, Jesus did not always speak in such a fashion, as you must agree. He would often speak in the harshest of voices and exhibit violent behaviour.

@@edwardlongfellow5819 watch out

@@JerzyMi Watch out for what? Are you issuing a warning or a threat? Are you just being stupid?

- I'm ignoring the fact that this was posted in 2012, for the record - According to tradition, Mark was the interpreter of Peter. He - I suspect - wrote the sayings and the oral tradition from Peter and the Early Christians, probably motivated by the martyrdom of Peter.

@@oscarin13 Mark was a disciple /follower of Jesus who was known as John Mark. Paul mentions him in 2 Timothy 4:11. Luke mentions him in Acts 12:12. He could have acted as a scribe for Peter

Glypt0d0n PLEASE if you can sense the deadness of the institutional church system but can't put your finger on it. I'm pleading with you to understand something extremely important here. The mainstream Christian system is not of God. Rev 17:5 - "Mystery, Babylon The Great, The Mother Of Harlots, And Abominations Of The Earth." Mystery Babylon The Great is the Vatican - “And the woman which thou sawest, is that great Citie which reigneth ouer the kings of the earth.” - Rev 17:18 And she has harlot daughters which represent the protestant churches. And “the Abominations Of The Earth” are corrupt scriptures. And the final bible that will unite all faiths is called Wormwood/the Abomination of desolation. cvillebiblebaptist.com/AdultEducation/Vatican%20and%20United%20Nations%20Bible.pdf And Jesus Christ is calling His people out. Rev 18:4 “And I heard another voice from heauen, saying, Come out of her, my people, that yee be not partakers of her sinnes, and that yee receiue not of her plagues:” The very first thing you need to understand is that GOD CAN BE TRUSTED to preserve His word for every generation forever as He promises us in Psalms 12:6-7 and you don’t need men to teach you. 1 John 2:27 “But the anointing which ye haue receiued of him, abideth in you: and yee need not that any man teach you: But, as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is trueth, and is no lye: and euen as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.” It’s vital to know, especially right now, that God has kept His word in tact. There is still an every word testimony with us! The following clip by Reg Block is what the Lord used to open my eyes to the truth of Gods promises in Mark 13:31, Psalm 12:6-7, Psalms 138:2, and Matt 4:4 and so on. It’s not more lifeless information. It is powerful and life changing and I’m grateful for it! ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-tAMOquyQu-8.html The next video is a lesson by John Doerr on the pure word of God in the English language, which is found in the av1611 kjv. This is a much different testimony than the King James bible you are able to easily find in the churches and the so called "Christian bookstores". Please pray and genuinely take this before the Lord. He will show you. (Prepare to be attacked once you start down this path) The devil and his ministers don’t want this going out. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-C9lIWdQ0rc0.html I prayed a long time to know what the truth was, because over the years I grew increasingly confused, frustrated, misguided and so on.. But like most of us, I kept returning to church Sunday after next hoping something would change. If I sang more, prayed harder, got more involved, etc, ...maybe something would give. But nothing ever did. I must have walked a thousand isles. It had gotten to a point where a friend at the time said, “just try and sing". He meant well, but it was always disingenuous so I never did. Long story short - my whole Christian life was that way until recently. (powerless) God has since opened my eyes and I trust Him implicitly like never before. I really hope this reaches somebody. If this is you... honestly, please look into what I’m saying. God is rich in mercy and His patience is unmatched. He's been drawing me for a long time. Maybe He’s drawing you too and this is the message you needed. This link is a series of interviews between Reg Block and John Doerr that go in depth regarding Johns trip to England for the purposes of co-producing three films: A lamp in the dark, Tares among the wheat and A bridge to babylon. The three films (free to watch), cover the history of the bible. More specifically the preservation of Gods word and the measures that have been taken to cast doubt on, and ultimately destroy it. (it's a treasure of information for the Saints) - find the first interview to start on. ru-vid.com/show-UCIfGUbjTsGu1dfoNqYUZzmgvideos here is one very final clip on the "servants of Lucifer" ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-DuVTlYYos0c.html "(if it were possible,) they shall deceiue the very elect.” It’s imperative to understand that the av1611 is much different than the 1769 KJV that most believe is the true 1611 but is not. The KJV only movement doesn’t use the authorized version of 1611 either. This is the bible that Rome has been trying to destroy and cast doubt on since its inception. Everything, from the gun powder plot to false rumours of King James being gay. It contains all the prophecies in tact. Things like, what is the mark of the beast, what is wormwood, who and what is Antichrist, who are Leviathan and Behemoth representations of, and so on. If the scriptures are broken, the prophets are killed and the church can’t hear what the Spirit is saying. freely ye haue receiued, freely giue.” Matt 10:8

@@underwaves75 Thank you for your reply. In return, I recommend you learning about Church history, reading early Church fathers, and afterwards reading Church fathers and saints in general.

he teaches at Dallas Theological Seminary

Jesus Castanares amen PLEASE if you can sense the deadness of the institutional church system but can't put your finger on it. I'm pleading with you to understand something extremely important here. The mainstream Christian system is not of God. Rev 17:5 - "Mystery, Babylon The Great, The Mother Of Harlots, And Abominations Of The Earth." Mystery Babylon The Great is the Vatican - “And the woman which thou sawest, is that great Citie which reigneth ouer the kings of the earth.” - Rev 17:18 And she has harlot daughters which represent the protestant churches. And “the Abominations Of The Earth” are corrupt scriptures. And the final bible that will unite all faiths is called Wormwood/the Abomination of desolation. cvillebiblebaptist.com/AdultEducation/Vatican%20and%20United%20Nations%20Bible.pdf And Jesus Christ is calling His people out. Rev 18:4 “And I heard another voice from heauen, saying, Come out of her, my people, that yee be not partakers of her sinnes, and that yee receiue not of her plagues:” The very first thing you need to understand is that GOD CAN BE TRUSTED to preserve His word for every generation forever as He promises us in Psalms 12:6-7 and you don’t need men to teach you. 1 John 2:27 “But the anointing which ye haue receiued of him, abideth in you: and yee need not that any man teach you: But, as the same anointing teacheth you of all things, and is trueth, and is no lye: and euen as it hath taught you, ye shall abide in him.” It’s vital to know, especially right now, that God has kept His word in tact. There is still an every word testimony with us! The following clip by Reg Block is what the Lord used to open my eyes to the truth of Gods promises in Mark 13:31, Psalm 12:6-7, Psalms 138:2, and Matt 4:4 and so on. It’s not more lifeless information. It is powerful and life changing and I’m grateful for it! ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-tAMOquyQu-8.html The next video is a lesson by John Doerr on the pure word of God in the English language, which is found in the av1611 kjv. This is a much different testimony than the King James bible you are able to easily find in the churches and the so called "Christian bookstores". Please pray and genuinely take this before the Lord. He will show you. (Prepare to be attacked once you start down this path) The devil and his ministers don’t want this going out. ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-C9lIWdQ0rc0.html I prayed a long time to know what the truth was, because over the years I grew increasingly confused, frustrated, misguided and so on.. But like most of us, I kept returning to church Sunday after next hoping something would change. If I sang more, prayed harder, got more involved, etc, ...maybe something would give. But nothing ever did. I must have walked a thousand isles. It had gotten to a point where a friend at the time said, “just try and sing". He meant well, but it was always disingenuous so I never did. Long story short - my whole Christian life was that way until recently. (powerless) God has since opened my eyes and I trust Him implicitly like never before. I really hope this reaches somebody. If this is you... honestly, please look into what I’m saying. God is rich in mercy and His patience is unmatched. He's been drawing me for a long time. Maybe He’s drawing you too and this is the message you needed. This link is a series of interviews between Reg Block and John Doerr that go in depth regarding Johns trip to England for the purposes of co-producing three films: A lamp in the dark, Tares among the wheat and A bridge to babylon. The three films (free to watch), cover the history of the bible. More specifically the preservation of Gods word and the measures that have been taken to cast doubt on, and ultimately destroy it. (it's a treasure of information for the Saints) - find the first interview to start on. ru-vid.com/show-UCIfGUbjTsGu1dfoNqYUZzmgvideos here is one very final clip on the "servants of Lucifer" ru-vid.com/video/%D0%B2%D0%B8%D0%B4%D0%B5%D0%BE-DuVTlYYos0c.html "(if it were possible,) they shall deceiue the very elect.” It’s imperative to understand that the av1611 is much different than the 1769 KJV that most believe is the true 1611 but is not. The KJV only movement doesn’t use the authorized version of 1611 either. This is the bible that Rome has been trying to destroy and cast doubt on since its inception. Everything, from the gun powder plot to false rumours of King James being gay. It contains all the prophecies in tact. Things like, what is the mark of the beast, what is wormwood, who and what is Antichrist, who are Leviathan and Behemoth representations of, and so on. If the scriptures are broken, the prophets are killed and the church can’t hear what the Spirit is saying. freely ye haue receiued, freely giue.” Matt 10:8

@@underwaves75 Babylon in Revelation represents Rome. This is shown by her sitting on seven hills.

You think that refers to the canon? What about other Christian church canons? What if you grew up in Ethiopia? Enoch and Jubilees are part of the canon

You mean after a council of people decided what should and shouldn’t be put into this infallible Bible…? That’s rich. There are plenty of errors in the Bible. If God wanted to accomplish the goal of bringing the most people to him, he wouldn’t have made his “error-free Word” so convoluted

parting the sea to save his people, changing water into wine to show who He is without hurting anyone plagues, flood, razed cities, to save humanity from a extreme state of cruelty and start again with a chosen people, that is to give a second chance to humanity all of that is to show grace to the human being dancing goat children and killing a child for running into him really portrays an egotistic person and not the loving Jesus that we know in the Bible

This is hierarchy and respect God over Man - Man over Woman - Woman over Child God Dies for all - Man Dies for Woman & Child - Woman dies for Child. When Jesus taught, the disciples were silent they waited until being alone with Jesus to inquire what they did not understand, it was not until Jesus departed that they became teachers. What is being asked of Woman is nothing but to follow order and give respect and that same respect men are to give to God.

@@hiddenrambo328 i don't believe in that "hierarchy"... it's God first, then Yeshua, then parents EQUALLY ...mother and father is yin and yang, what the father may not grasp perhaps the mother would and can relay the message the way she knows her husband will understand it, and vice versa. Then together they raise and die for their children, equally. To say "its a disgrace" for women to speak or inquire in church is merely tradition in a male dominated world...just another form of division. I don't agree. - the bible often overlooks women in favor of men, is the Bible wrong? No. Not comfortable saying that 100%, but our understanding of God's word def needs an upgrade... i wonder what Arius thought about this subject... ***remember, the Bible was kept away from the public and only accessible to priests until the 1800s!! thats not that long ago...

@@Airic You have been given an answer to your question, and just like most truth your belief is not required for it to be true.

@@hiddenrambo328 yup, true, we agree to disagree. Respectfully...much love!

@@Airic I will just ask that you consider this about the Hierarchy since I may have failed to explain sufficiently. God > Man > Woman > Child God teaches all, Man teaches Woman & Child Woman teaches Child Jesus is God = God died for all people. When a intruder breaks into a house the husband is the first line of defence Man = Dies for woman and Child The intruder ends the husband the wife is now the defender. Woman = Dies for Child Alternatively the woman could collect the child and run knowing the Husband is willing to die for their survival. This is the order or "hierarchy" of things even outside the bible. Talking while someone is teaching is rude or a "disgrace". The husband and wife would sit on opposite sides like at a wedding one side for group A) other side for group B) so for the woman to ask her husband a question she would either have to call out and talk across people or get up and walk to him which is not acceptable today even in places like a movie theatre as it distracts, even quiet talking is frowned on. (The men also followed these same rules with Jesus they were silent and waited until private to ask things and to interrupt would have been a "disgrace" the word used in the Greek is aischros meaning shameful, dishonourable. So these rules for women isn't asking anything the men weren't themselves willing to do.) This order is a line of succession, If God is not around Man is in control. If Man is not around Woman in in control. If Man & Woman is not around Child is in control. We See this with modern households even today. There is co-parenting as both have Authority over the Child but the man is over the woman and God is over the man but this doesn't mean you can mistreat those beneath you as you must treat them as God treats you and God listens & grants fair requests he also sacrificed & died for us (This is the model of how to treat those beneath you in this order) but God also expects that we will obey fair requests there is give and take there is equality but there is still a hierarchy an order to things. (The above is in Ephesians 5:21-30) I hope I explained it better this time and hope it helps in some way.

Exactly!

atomac23 I'm considering reporting you for being a complete banana head. By what rule of logic do we need the autographa to know with relative certainty that what we find in our Bibles is in all points veritably consistent with the original manuscript? A simple reading of the Church Fathers would confirm that the Jesus written of in the Gospels is in all essentials the Jesus attested to by the Fathers of the early Church who themselves were students of the Apostles of Christ. That is to say the Church Fathers are a separate source outside the New Testament which give us a window thru which we can see that the history, and doctrine as recorded in scripture accurately depicts the consciousness of the early Church

then go and talk to Dan Wallace. He admitted that original is hidden in manuscripts,some 5 million pages and had to be discovered. Even though majority of biblical scientist agree that there is no point of talking about original, because it is lost permanently.I hope that you listen when these guys are talking, and not only come expecting to hear what you think is true.His opening statement and joke about celebrate and celebate , missing letter R in oldest manuscripts leads to that. Were early Christians making up stories about Jesus. Yes.Proof. Apocryphal Gospels,with stories like walking cross, Jesus tall the heavens, even though contain Jesus saying were excluded from Bible.One of the examples.

He is referring to another epistle than what we have in our bible. The one he refers to is not even available today, as it was rejected by the early christians.

To say that Scripture is not, or hardly, necessary because the church functioned without the entirety of the Canon early on is not a sufficient argument. 1. The church did have both writings and the oral Word of God early on. Early church fathers reference Scripture as early as 120 AD and books in the New Testament quote one another. 2. God affirms that all Scripture is inspired (2Tim 3:16) and the Bereans are called noble by Paul in Acts 17 for checking what he said by the Scriptures. Otherwise we may as well toss out Galatians 1 where Paul says those who oppose his gospel are to be cursed. How would we know Paul’s gospel without his writing? 3. I certainly agree with you that the early church, and today’s true church for that matter, is led by the Holy Spirit, but it is important to note that the Holy Spirit speaks through the written Word of God.

I think all he's trying to do is infer reasonable corroborating because you can't always effectively witness without explaining the natural process of the Bible being put together. We as believers know the Spirit was involved but the unbelievers need a little more detail

I use the Codex Sinaiticus. Which is closer to the time of Jesus ?

The NT was originally in Aramaic, not Greek. For the NT, the KJV used Greek mss., and has translation errors present in basically all NTs translated from Greek. Accurate translations of the original Aramaic remove several mistranslations present in Greek mss. To illustrate: 1) Matthew 1:17 says there are 14, 14, 14 generations. Greek manuscripts of Matthew’s genealogy list 14, 14, 13 generations. In Aramaic mss. of Matthew’s genealogy, with Mt 1:16’s “gbra” translated as father/guardian, Matthew’s genealogy lists 14, 14, 14 generations. Mary had a father/guardian named Joseph (plus a husband also called Joseph). 2) Do you think Jesus and his disciples visited the house of a leper? The Greek translation from Aramaic has leper at Mt 26:6 and Mk 14:3, while the Aramaic allows for potter. Lepers were unclean and weren't allowed to have guests over. It's actually Simon the _potter_. 3) For Mt 7:6, it's actually 'hang earrings on dogs,' not 'give a holy thing to dogs.' 4) Greek mss. embarrassingly have Jesus liable to the fire of Gehenna. Compare Mt 5:22 and Mt 23:17 in the Greek.

@@davidford15 David, The New Testament, because of a wide audience of different peoples with different languages, was written in Greek, a universal language at the time. However, it is known that Mathew was written in Hebrew.

@@DBCisco The Codex Vaticanus is a bit older.

"Mathew was written in Hebrew" How'd you come to that conclusion? What language(s) did Jesus and his disciples: speak in? write in? Accurate translations of the original Aramaic of the New Testament remove several mistranslations present in Greek mss. To illustrate: 1) Matthew 1:17 says there are 14, 14, 14 generations. Greek manuscripts of Matthew’s genealogy list 14, 14, 13 generations. In Aramaic mss. of Matthew’s genealogy, with Mt 1:16’s “gbra” translated as father/guardian, Matthew’s genealogy lists 14, 14, 14 generations. Mary had a father/guardian named Joseph (plus a husband also called Joseph). 2) Do you think Jesus and his disciples visited the house of a leper? The Greek translation from Aramaic has leper at Mt 26:6 and Mk 14:3, while the Aramaic allows for potter. Lepers were unclean and weren't allowed to have guests over. It's actually Simon the _potter_. 3) For Mt 7:6, it's actually 'hang earrings on dogs,' not 'give a holy thing to dogs.' 4) Greek mss. embarrassingly have Jesus liable to the fire of Gehenna. Compare Mt 5:22 and Mt 23:17 in the Greek.

Amen. The church determined the canon

Nothing illogical about it. Dr. Wallace outlined many of the factual reasons why faith in those things is reasonable -- "logical" if you prefer.

Lucius Zedaker It is not a logically sound argument. It is a faith based argument with logic used to provide support for it. You can easily use the same process to disprove it.

vicachcoup Huh? All hypotheses are "faith-based."in that sense. The God hypothesis has logical as well as empirical support, If you want to claim that evolution is the equivalent alternative to God, you are making a statement of faith, not science. But go for it. You would not be the first. Any logical or empirical reason to equate evolution (or whatever) with God?

Lucius Zedaker I was discussing the canonicity of the Bible and not the proof of God. That is a more defensible rational position.

vicachcoup Of course you are . Gosh sorry. I am juggling too many conversations at once. Thanks for keeping your cool ...

If you had thousands of manuscripts, one or two disagree, the rest agree. Do you throw away the thousands, or the two that disagree with them. That is the situation we have.

In the 16th century the Catholic church produced the trinitarian text and gave it to Erasmus to include in his version of the NT. The original text is reflected by the 4th century Codex Sinaiticus which has "the spirit, the water, and the blood." instead of "the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit." The Sinaiticus version is early and that is why it is accepted as original by modern scholars. The thousands of manuscripts that have "the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit." reading are not early and so are not accepted as original. They are all from the 9th century or later and were created during the copying process in order to reinforce the Church's teaching of the trinity doctrine.

The two that disagree with the thousands are early(4th century or earlier), and the thousands are 9th century or later copies of copies that were changed in order to reinforce Catholic doctrine. If a version of scripture is early, it is more likely the original or close to the original reading than a version which is late.

The Trinity doctrine is not based on a single verse, it's a revelation received by taking the Bible accurately and consistently. The doctrine does not rest on a single verse, but Christians still have affirmation of the Trinity because the evidence from scripture is too great to reject the doctrine. Interestingly, 16th century is not "ancient church", so your entire argument falls moot. Even more interestingly, the only type of people that consistently try to create translations with many serious, inaccurate, heretical and obvious Theological bias is JWs, a cultic group.

Christian apologists can't use 1st John 5 to bolster the doctrine of the trinity. That's all. As for the 16th century not being ancient, I agree. What I should have wrote was that the Codex Sinaiticus version of 1st John 5 is ancient, and so modern scholars must consider it when determining the more original text.

Interesting point, but how do you know? The gospels were authored anonymously and attributed to "according to" different people (the anonymous author's description of someone else's account, times four). Since pseudographical attribution was the standard way to increase a book's authority in those times, we can be assured that if the books had been directly attributed to Jesus, then they would certainly not have been authored by him. They were not attributed to Jesus. And yet strangely, they were given early weight despite having almost no valid provenance. Why couldn't Jesus have written one or all of them?

@@crimony3054 Because Jesus was illiterate, why would a carpenter living then learn to read and write? what was he going to read and who was he going to write to? only the very rich were taught to read and write. Jesus spoke Aramaic, and the gospels were written in Greek. Jesus had been dead for decades (if he even existed) before the first gospel was written. You can if you wish make up anything you like and believe it, fear is a wonderful motivator.

@@Shytot-1 The books that said he was a carpenter also said he was God. Do you believe he was God? Greek was used by everyone in the region. And Jesus seemed to get around well and attract a lot of literate types for someone who was himself illiterate. If the books weren't written by Jesus, then they would have been claimed to have been written by him -- pseudographica. Sounds like you're making things up, not me.

@@crimony3054 If Jesus was god then he knew everything about everything the very second he was born, to see just how far gone you are, do you think he did? Like me you are an animal, so just like all of the other animals we will one day die and be gone forever, and no amount of magic or wishful thinking is going to change that fact.

@@Shytot-1 You seem to have a lot of requirements for what classifies as "god." But again, you're using a standard of omniscience that laid out in the bible. So you're saying the bible is a good source or what your god can or can't do? I'm just saying that because pseudographica was the standard, we know that if Jesus had not authored the gospels, he would have been listed as an author. But because their authorship is undefined, he might have. And don't assume I am an animal. I could be a vegetable like Stephen Hawking... or an alien with a Starlink connection. 👽

disagree with everything you said, Mr. Roman Catholic.

At one point it was mentioned the church did NOT determine the what should be in the canon but merely discovered what was in the canon. I have to agree that it implies the bible "miraculously" canonized itself and the church just recognised it. Forgive me for asking but is this not just a "play" on words? If another religion used this kind of rationale for their sacred books I can see christians coining down on their arguements and dismissing it as foolish but its ok when christain can use this kind of logic

Huh? How is that your takeaway? God and the apostles produced the cannon. The early church recognized, circulated, and copied the cannon. 300 years later, the catholic church officially accepted the cannon that had already been agreed upon since the beginning. Many centuries later, the catholic church added the apocrypha to the cannon.

Exactly 💯 He left us the Church with His Authority.

Man founded the Catholic Church. The first Pope listed after Peter was not until the first or second century. They were apostates to the early church

Catholicism has 0 to do with true Christianity

Try and take a step back. Reread your message and then read the words of the snake in genesis.

Would you care to re-read my message above, and refer to snake's words in Gen. chapter 3. Then let me know how the snake's words relate to Gospel authorship (which was my message). Does the snake (or ANYWHERE in the Hebrew scriptures) even predict a dying and rising Messiah-God, whose blood atones for sin?

No he says "has god then said...". 'predicting a messiah that died for your sins would not be in his interest.

CJF, I wonder why you brought up the snake's conversation - nothing in it points to the authorship of the Gospels (or even the Gospels themselves). And there is nothing in the rest of the Hebrew scriptures that propehesies a dying and rising God-man, whose shed blood atones for sin. There's good reason why Jews reject Jesus..

They are jews because they reject the evidence. If you read your old testament you will find the jews oppose most of the bibles statements. Golden calfs are OK, killing profets acceptable and so on. So maybe not a role model if you want to develop good judgement. But you are not a jew, are you? Try and take a step back and recognize when you are talking like the snake.

Your problem, as you call it, seems to be one of viewpoint. If you see Christianity as a "book following cult" then yes you're quite right. This is not the Orthodox view though. Jesus did not leave us a book. The Evangelism narrative always reaches its climax at the resurrection and they omit to tell you that after the resurrection Jesus spent 40 days meeting daily with the apostles setting up His Church. Jesus did not leave us a book, He left us a Church. This is where Protestants in general go wrong. If you deny the authority of the Apostolic Church that Jesus set up Himself then you have no anchoring point. What happens when you don't have an anchoring point? You drift away. The New Testament is not a product of man, the Canon is not the product of man. They are the product of the Church. So Protestants (as good Christians as they might be, I'm not attacking them at all) find themselves in this position where they have to perform some really tricky gymnastics to deny the authority of the Church and accept the authority of its products. Orthodox like myself don't have this issue. We accept the authority of the Church and its Apostolic Tradition, of which the new testament and the canonicity of the new testament and the Christian Creed are all parts of one whole. It is a sad reality that the Church did not remain whole and that the splintering started way before Protestants came on to the scene but still there is no reason, from a Christian point of view, to doubt the authority of the pre-schizm Church. I hope this helps offer you a different viewpoint.

Nigel Naicker The book of ISAIAH confirms the book s of the bible

Nigel Naicker nice point,,, i agree with u

So basically you want God to disregard human free will in order to follow Him. God writing Torah Himself? And it has to be preserved to this day, the original extraterrestrial God written tablet of Moses... What do you think would happen? If it could be proven this was not of man, than you would have no choice but to believe. That is not a relationship, that is slavery. And it would elevate the priest-class to the highest status in human society to give interpretation for these texts...not ideal in any circumstance.. But now, you can chose not to believe in God and believe in anything but God. Like the nihilism that results from atheism and the following devaluation of human existence. History showed us this. A prerequisite for love is freedom.

Nigel Naicker As to your suggestion That sounds more simple but we would simply not have the refinement that we havr. If scripture is inspired then the canon process also has to be inspired. Just letting man do completely what he wants after God inspired His Eord is nothing more than open theism ..

Since the Quran was written hundreds of years later, I would say it’s the Quran that sounds like the gospels