Imagine being chained up, having your sibling cry on you until you are almost dead and then he throws an eraser at you, causing you to be completely erased out of existence.
Poor Esau... was hungry & was tricked out of his inheritance by his own brother and mother, ends up dying wanting to haunt & punish Jacob forever only to be taken down by an eraser.
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Dark Esau: *_hey what's up brother I'm here to torment your life again do you remember all that horrible stuff you did to me in the past haha yeah how about you REPENT FOR YOUR SINS REPENT FOR YOUR SINS REPE_* Tainted Jacob: [holds up eraser labeled 'For Big Mistakes']
@@destroidhak2556 I will explain: back then werr a birth rights. It is a property of the oldest brother, that gives him rights to rule the younger siblings. Esau was older but jacob traded it for red stew Fun fact: red stew and birth rights are in game items as well Ps sorry for bad english
"Why does everyone want to cheese Tainted Jacob?" If I had to guess, getting two-tapped by the spirit of your dead brother doesn't outweigh the sheer damage he does in his attempts to two-tap you. Also, getting hit the first time doesn't give you s, so it's very likely to get turned into the Lost by Esau only for something else to get you.
he also dies whether intentional by the player or Esau just straight up ran through obstacles and dies so it's hard not being the lost as tainted Jacob.
The much simpler way to kill Esau without repercussions is just using meat cleaver and killing the two that split. Their explosions won't kill you and can even be used to open boss rush/hush.
This is a bug however, while eraser is *intended* . This means that the cleaver method will not work eventually, but eraser will. Also if you're gonna use bugs you might as well just use the exploit that also works right now, wherein you just go back to main menu when you kill him, and then resume game. You will not be a ghost, and he will be gone for that floor.
I just got it recently, and though I don’t play Isaac as much as I used to, I love it! Ed really went out of his way to make this incarnation especially brutal!!
@@carlangas0100 lol I still haven’t unlocked them. Or maybe I did. I die in basement all the time in repentance while I beat the game in afterbirth+ easily
@@Locked_looper wat. the basement isn't any different in repentance. the only difference now is that in hard mode, the enemy bullet speed is significantly increased.
Sometimes you gotta feel bad for Esau, the way Jacob just paradises him around like he’s just a limb(who he often forgets about ie getting separated) after getting his blessing in exchange for some stew. Then Jacob leaves Esau for dead and Esau is out for his birthright . The achievement for unlocking Tainted Jacob is literally called The Deserter. And then Esau just gets erased.
I think it would’ve been cool if, upon tearing his way out of the ground, Dark Esau would screech “JACOOOOB!!!” or something similar. It would definitely add to the menacing feeling of a nigh-unkillable spirit of vengeance endlessly hounding Jacob as a hate-filled reminder of his sins.
You can prevent Jacob from transforming into a ghost by exiting the game and re-entering before Dark Esau's death animation. P.S: I don't speak English but I did my best
Reminds me of the glitch challenge where I had an item give me infinite eraser uses without any consequences at my will. I crashed the game at the cathedral because it didn't know what to spawn anymore whenever I entered a room + other glitch effects not liking that. Big sad
If people used dark esau as a attack: Jacob: behold, my stand, who is my own brother, darks esau Esau: bro, this is the last time we do this, i promise i will kill you Jacob: yeah yeah, now go there and beat the sh*t out of them
@@monosophy691 This doesn't answer his question at all. If you have the Red Key, you can still miss them, if you don't know the logic behind where they would spawn. To use Red Key efficiently, you want to go to the Ultra Secret room asap, so that you can then exit the map via an error room.
@@Nekoszowa This is equally useless information. Even if you have Book of Secrets, you can't access them, you can only see where they are. The only way to use Book of Secrets would be to carry the backpack so that you can have Red Key as well. Which... is easier said than done
From what I know secret rooms always spawn in places where you can access it from multiple rooms (2-4) and super secret rooms spawn where you can only access it from one room, meaning it's connected to only one room Other than this, I don't know a consistent way to find them
The French streamer Shisheyu find an other way to break the tainted Jacob mecanic. You need the Blue Hourglass and two clear rooms, during the dying animation of Issau you just need to leave the room, wait for the explosion who turn you into the Lost and then use the Hourglass, do this each floor
@@eliandirsinaril1999 Getting rid of dark esau without facing consequence of being the lost, no matter if its with exiting and loading during dark esau animation or using eraser, meat cleaver or blue hourglass is still considered a cheat on itself. There is no way of knowing dark esau health as spider mod item does not count dark esau as regular enemy due its unique properties and therefore using eraser effectively is almost impossible unless you exactly know how much damage you are dealing with your tears and how much hp dark esau has left (because of increased max hp for dark esau every time you go to next floor)
@@eliandirsinaril1999 So, what you say, means that me using specific item I used to make esau invincible, when I was playing as normal jacob, is not cheating/bug and therefore normal way to play? Alright.
Most of the community: "Tainted Jacob and Dark Esau is easier than normal Jacob and Esau Everyone else: "Tainted Jacob and Dark Esau are just more fun" Me: "You guys just suck at using Jacob and Esau."
Why the people Hate Tainted Jacob? Easy its because if Esau hit you, You're gonna play like Rebirth The Lost and trust me its really difficult. I saw a comment that say that "Its because the people don't want to learn how to use It to your favor". Well if you Really play The TBOI You know that play like the Lost its for the full floor. Its like the first time you try to Unlock the Forgotten You're gonna die a lot of time (Until you find something to protect you for explosions). So please don't say that Its because we are don't want to learn how to use Tainted Esau in to your favor. Its more because its really Hard. Just imagine to fight The Hush or Delirium and become the Lost just because Tainted Esau hit you and killing Esau in the fight its gonna transform you in the Lost for that floor. (Sorry if my English its not the best).
It is definitely hard to play around Tainted Esau, but without him it feels pointless to even play as Tinted Jacob. It removes most of what makes the character unique (the chain isn't that interesting when you use it on enemies). This strategy could be useful when you're just trying to unlock stuff with Tinted Jacob, though.
@@Shabadaba1216 for me the playstyle the game is trying to nudge you towards when playing tainted jacob doesn't quite fit Isaac as a whole because the there are definitely sections where the game just says "fuck you" to the entire mechanic (such as when fighting ANY major end boss or what I mentioned in the previous comment). The character just felt like fitting a square peg into a round hole for me.
Esau: You were always a pain in my ass, how about we switch places and you will REPENT FOR YOUR SI- (erased) Jacob: “Plants vs zombies victory theme playing”
Interesting... Does this also work on specific bosses? I know they normally just take a big chunk of damage from eraser, but if you land the killing blow with it will they be prevented from showing up on future floors?
I’m immensely sad the antibirth soundtrack didn’t make it somehow out there wasn’t an option to maybe go back and forth between the two OSTs, IMO this song fits the vibe of the basement and the game overall more than most of the old afterbirth OST and some/most of the repentance OST
First you cheat your brother out of the inheritance And then you erase his vengeful spirit that came back to torment you for your misdeeds from existence. What the hell is wrong with you Jacob?
I lost all hope in isaac community when i saw those jacob&essau cheese tacticts about killing one brother as second player and re-entering the game again,but this? this is really creative
I don't think people are doing it just because he turns you into the lost (including if you kill him, not just if he hits you), You can only get completion marks for the lost instead of tainted jacob when esau transforms you I think if you could still get jacob's marks a lot less people would be cheesing it
@@saintssky8602 if you have such a good run then you shouldnt have any issues taking out bosses. If you let him hit you then thats your problem for not paying attention or using your active item
@@porkyminch1640 It's not about dodging him, Delirium and other bosses kill Esau super quickly, and boom, now you have 1 hit and you're dead, he should be buffed to have more HP in final boss fights, I can understand you turning into the Lost for trying to get rid of him, but it's stupid when you don't do nothing wrong and Delirium deletes him
@@byrontheusurper6505 I was expecting something fun to play, like Bethany or The Forsaken. Instead most of the tainted characters are pretty much worse versions of their original counterparts. Only Tainted Azazel and Bethany are well balanced so far, they actually seem different but neither worse or better.
This has been the only legal, non-cheaty way to get rid of esau. Hope it doesn't get patched and stays an option as you would need to find the eraser first and then get him low enough without killing him for it to work.
Listen, if you get lucky enough to find the eraser, then be able to calculate his health and not screw it up. Then you deserve to remove it. Plus you do kill a great source of boss damage.
then it's time to just edit the fucking save file to fill out all of Jacob and Esau's and Tainted Jacobs completion marks. Arbitrary difficulty. "If you kill him, you're the lost. If you use a rare item perfectly, you're the lost. If you get hit, you're the lost. You need to evade him and all the bullet hells in the game, and if you get hit by him, you're the lost." WITHOUT HOLY MANTLE.
After almost completing tainted Jacob, I'd never want to erase Esau, there are so many opportunities to abuse lost form - many pickups you can't get without flight, access to the challenge rooms with boss items and free devil deals, especially if you have devil's crown or satanic bible
Sad thing about Dark Esau is that can fuck runs and make final boss battles insanely harder, especially in the Lost form, imagine fighting Hush with no holy mantle + Esau still chasing you.
I wouldn't mind Tainted Jacob as much if dark Esau just damaged you, and only turned you into the lost if you killed him. But since touching you once just saps all your HP for the floor I just don't find this character fun. Its too steep of a punishment.
Technically, this means this could be doable on F1 with the item draft mod, where you could get the eraser right off the start. Now we just wait for repentance mod support.
Spider Mod unfortunately doesn't track the health of Dark Esau because it's technically part of the character and not enemy (hence why familiars don't target it). Spider Mod effects like the slowing/disorienting can be applied.
i have a question, why can't i damage esau? it's just that every video i see them damage him while he's held by anima sola or free but when i shoot him i any of those 2 states he doesn't take damage?
I think they should add a health bar of some kind, not just for the eraser usage but also just so you know how close he is to death and if he's about the mess up your whole run with his explosion
One use per floor, but you could just totally miss the throw and waste it. Probably why it's like that now, but imo it should have stayed just one use.
