Dark Souls 3 Lore | Dark and Chaos, Two Sides of the Same Coin? 

this has been 6 years but the difference is human got the dark souls gods have the fires soul? so their strength is tied the to the flame so it fading means their power also fading and nito first of the dead i think means first of undead the boney guys calcium boys and btw in ds1 we never ever fought the witch and nito on their full strength they're strength after all is tied to the flame and they literally use it alot meaning they spreaded the power out like nito description of him using his soul to spread death meaning probably making the undead race undead never have existed before edit:and the flame of chaos is like the fire it needs soul to be feed but because of that dark girl they straight up got their food cut meaning they faded out thought out the time but they are probably like the flame eternal

Thank you friend! I see what you are saying, but I think the male form of progenitor only refers to the way the used to talk of old Roman houses. Like how when someone has someone introduce them they say so and so of house whatever, son of this son of that. Is what progenitor in that case means. But the root definition of the word doesn't have to only be male!

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THE Witch of Izalith is a title. She has 7 daughters, who may also be considered witches, but not THE Witch of Izalith. We know who 4 of the daughters were. 1 other was the corpse near Ceasless Discharge, but we are only unsure of who the last 2 are. But it is thought they were consumed or sacrificed to the Bed of Chaos

@@JTMarch86 The seven daughters we know are Quelana, Quelaag, The Fair Lady, the one guarding The Bed of Chaos, the corpse near Ceaseless Discharge, and the two orbs on either side of the Bed. That's seven. However, the fact that we find Quelana's set on the corpse means it might actually be Quelana and she's a ghost of some sort. And the two orbs only have their staffs next to the Bed, we don't see any sort of body, transformed or otherwise. This could explain the three surviving daughters. Though this theory of the Witch being both Velka and the Pygmy is jossed due to the Ringed City DLC, there still may be some credence to the Witch being Velka.

No, there are not. There is ONE Witch of Izalith. Her 7 daughters are called the Daughters of Chaos.

Pepe Puppa maybe 3 are alive still

"Sin" comes from a Proto-Germanic word meaning 'truth', so no. Your etymology is false.

@@iosefka7774 It could also come together. Like, "In truth, the missed mark of the First Flame's recreation led to the first sin".

@@kingdomcome3914 But the word has nothing to do with archery...

@@iosefka7774 Missing the mark can also mean to not meet expectations, or something that doesn't accomplish the intended goal.

@@kingdomcome3914 What exactly is your thought process here. Nowhere in the game is anything like "missing the mark" mentioned. Only the original commenter used that phrase, and I explained why it was irrelevant.

It is said is very much present not past

@@nayyarrashid4661 it means it's being said presently, not that what's spoken of is recent.

“It is said” could also be understood like “so they say”. In other words, may not be true

@@jairoferia5333 Goddamn you english and your multimeanings and inconsistencies. Youve bamboozled us again.

Great vid overall though! Love the investigation.

+Mitch L You know there is Demigods as such and stories of gods taking on the forms of humans so it does make sense

Well deity means "god or goddess" obviously. It also means "creator or supreme being", which we can definitely apply here I think. Plus Goddess simply means "a female deity, or a woman who is adored, especially for her beauty". Which I mean, Witch of Izalith have them smooth lips dawg. ;)

I would like to think that the soul of life and the dark soul made her a deity? Even if her and her children look human, the soul definitely made her more powerful that other "deities" like gwynevere, gwyndolin, ect. So possibly she was referred to as a deity because of the souls, and not her race which is probably human.

In my opinion, humans can become deitys and vice versa baced on what soul your body holds since everyone is a pigmie, or a vessel for a soul. So if you had a dark soul your body would embody that soul regardless of what came before. And, is it a stretch to assume that velka would just conjoin the sliver of her old soul with her new dark soul. I'd imagine it is similar to how we consume larger souls in extange for many smaller souls. I've always thought that souls were less of a direct currently but a sort of algorithm for your potential power or ability.

You also forgot to mention the charred ivoryking boss fight. Above you looks a awful lot like the bed of chaos. And I don't even think I have to explain the ivory kings sick entrance when a huge door of chaos flame opens up and he walks out like a bad ass and kicks your ass five times to Sunday xD

I know this comment was made a long time ago, but Aldrich, who dreamed of the deep sea (presumably an age of dark of some sort) also resides within Irithyll. So it has snow, fire, and connections to the deep, or (probably) dark.

Also, when you give the profaned coal to Andre in Dark Souls 3, he says he can see the abyss in it, and the coal is a skull with fire coming out the top. Of course, all coals have fire coming from the top, so it might just be a coincidence.

Speaking of the first dlc of ds3, sister friede is in the painted world of ariandel which is covered in snow and guess what? Sister friede is one of the three sisters of the fabled church of londor. Damn this shit is getting interesting

@@taufiqislam8935 the only connection dark and chaos have in common is that chaos is a corrupted and twisted version of fire while the abyss is a corrupted version of the dark soul that went wild also the deep is a different and weaker version of the dark it is a dark sea literally and it is like pitch black water Also sister friede used the black flames of humanity and all the lords souls are fire powers because the lords souls came from the first flame aka fire Dark gem is stronger than the deep gem

The one problem with this is that the description of the Orange Charred Ring says that Ceaseless was afflicted with sores that spout lava from BIRTH, and that he was clumsy and deformed etc.. so i really doubt a beauty/fertility goddes like Gwynevere would marry someone who was already covered in lava filled burning sores and deformed etc..

I think CD is the son of the Nameless Blacksmith Deity, whereas the Daughters of Chaos are daughters of King Jeremiah. CD is clumsy and foolish because he is half-giant.

I cant believe how fleshed out this is. This has such incredible evidence, that this should really be the general concensus. For reasons on the origin of the first flame, have you seen the article on the translation of the Titanite Slab?

+DonutSwordsman no. link pls

+enryuxzero cool. maybe the return to ice thing means it'll return to the age of ancients rather than moving to age of dark. or it just means the fire will fade and age of dark / cold will begin.

+enryuxzero thanks. I was gonna if anyone asked but it was 2 am when I wrote the comment haha

Jake has a gift for this kind of stuff He's totally changing how we look at the game again

Thanks so much! =D

to be honest it is my fault he didnt i forgot about it and im the one who gave him most of the info on dark souls 2 haha

Fuck that's a good little theory right there. Underrated comment

i mean it is dark souls they dont missing something like that on purpose.

what if the painter of the painted world in the dlc is her after being cured buy us when we gave her humanity in 1?

She became blind after becoming a spider by taking in the pus of Blighttown.

Seriously? Do none of you even play the games? ALL firekeepers are blind! This is specifically mentioned. Irina had to gouge her own eyes out just to try to become one! Then there's the fact that you can literally find the gouged out eyeballs of the first firekeeper in the Untended Graves....

Thank you! =)

Thank you! I try to be as unique as I can! =D

+Paul Creenis Watch Terra Mantis' video on manus. He explains it much better than I can and his argument is very convincing

have u considered that rather than being velka/the witch's husband, manus is velka/ the witch of izalith

Well, I wouldnt say manus is remenbered.... I mean, where inside the game someone mentioned him?, Is the legend of artorias the legend of one of gyrms knights who fought againts manus, the father of the abyss?, no... Not many people (in game) talks about him

+DZ VW Manus created mankind using the dark soul and divided his soul up like Gwynn to create shards of humanity. Like Gwynn he still possesses great strength even with his soul divided and it was this strength that would turn him into the beast that is manus and create the abyss. "Fertive Pygmy" taken literally means secretive small creature which the Witch of Izalith clearly isn't small or secretive but a human could be. Also note that in the animation where the souls are being taken from the kiln the dark soul is clutched by what appears to be a hollow. It should be noted that manus is often described as a "primeval man" which means one of the first and Manu in Hinduism was the first human and considering that Humanity is the dark soul it can be inferred that he was the fertive pygmy

+DZ VW When talking To Marvellous Chester he will say "Oolacile has brought the abyss upon itself .... Fooled by that toothy serpent, they upturned the grave of primeval man and incited his ornery wrath" This implies that the townsfolk of Oolacile had no idea where manus was and they only way they found out was via the omnipotent serpent Kaathe (or perhaps Frampt?) which would suggest he was forgotten by the masses. Additionally it also calls Manus "primeval man" which suggests he was the very first human and with the dark soul being humanity it becomes pretty clear that manus is indeed the Pygmy. A side note is that Kaathe states "After the advent of Fire, the ancient Lords found the three souls. But your progenitor found a fourth, unique soul. The Dark Soul." Unless the Chosen Undead is actually a human (which she clearly isn't as she is a deity who can bestow blessing and intervene in the players world) Velka or something the only mentioned origin of Man is the Primeval man. Manus.

Their physical descriptions are never mentioned in-game, and neither are their personalities actually. Though you do see what the Witch looks like in the DS1 opening and in DS3 you find the statue of Velka who actually looks extremely similar. Though you don't see their faces, in the Dark Souls series you often think of someone's headwear as their face, so the "cut off at the bridge of the nose" hood motif is probably not a coincidence. So that's a point in the theory's favor I think. You're right that Velka has always been against the Gods and is set to see them punished for their sins, including the Witch, but he's saying it's possible that when the Witch birthed Chaos and she and her children were destroyed (part of her punishment), she found the Dark in the Chaos. She realized the sin of resisting nature and embraces the Dark, becoming Velka (or just adopting her true name, or alter ego, whatever), and the act of spreading the Dark itself will erase the gods and be a fitting punishment for their mutual sin against nature. The rest of the video presents pretty good evidence that their powers and associations are only different on the surface, but if you look closely you see Chaos and Dark are very closely related, so too must be Velka and the Witch.

It makes quite a lot of sense to me. After comitting the first sin Witch of Izalith devotes herself to fighting sin. That includes fighting sinful gods and trying to "right the wrongs of the past" and helping humans to bring the Age of Men how it was meant to be.

also did wolnir get consumed by the abyss when they discovered the demons. dun dun dun

maybe he found a fragment of Manus, like Nashandra was. That would explain why the abyss is spreading once again.

+Karolus Magnus but nashandra is a frgment of manus

DarkBear yes but the way she messed up Vendrick and Drangleic is certainly abyss like, that's why I mentioned it was in a lesser degree than Manus in Oolacile because she is the smallest fragments.

i believe that there is a difference between Darkness and Abyss.

Thanks so much friend! =)

Also the simple definition of consume by the Merriam-Webster dictionary: to destroy (something) with fire. The whole "expend" thing seems wrong to me.

The pygmy was likely close to their hollow stage when receiving the Dark Soul and as we seen in Dark Souls, the women aren't walking around rocking double D's. So we can't base our arguments of the gender of the pygmy based on seeing their silhouette from afar. Also that definition of consume certainly isn't the "simple" definition and was even further down than the definition I provided.

+The Ashen Hollow The pygmy is shown holding a soul. Doesn't say it is the dark soul and doesn't look like a dark soul. Those are your assumptions. Also a quick Google image search can get you a close up of the Pygmy and there are no female breasts. You say no double D's. What about Gwynevere? and let's put in Rosaria as a newer example. Or the daughters of the witch of Izalith. All had breasts so it seems odd that the Pygmy wouldn't if she was a Goddess.

+Louis Croes It was the third definition by the way. Also easily checked with Google.

So because a silhouette doesn't have large visible breasts that means it isn't a woman? Also if we want to go with that. Neither of the statues of Velka are depicted to have breasts. The fact of the matter is no matter how close we zoom up to the Furtive Pygmy we can't see clearly whether or not it could have titties... Yes, third definition, still considered less than the one I provided.

Thank you friend!

Thanks so much for the continued support man! I know it has all been so crazy cool! =D

6.) Caitha the Goddess of Tears also seems to be of some contradiction in the Souls Series. In fact, at times she seems to have more relevance then Velka as far as making her presence know and being useful to the player. She could just as easily be the Goddess of the Forlorn just as much as Velka. In fact, it can be said that Carim has a tie to both these Goddesses in some way or another, which would mean they need to be mentioned if you ever bring up one or the other, what do you think? a.) "Sacred chime blessed by Caitha, goddess of tears. Rare even amongst Carim clerics. Affected by intelligence, a rare thing for miracle catalysts, and also agreeable with miracles that lean towards the Dark. Its existence is concealed in the name of the Archbishop, as it is anathema. Skill: Gentle Prayer Recovers HP for a period of time, albeit extremely slowly. Works while equipped in either hand." b.) "A ring set with a large rare tearstone jewel. Temporarily boosts attack when HP is low. This stone is said to be a tear of mourning of the goddess Caitha, and of course, tears are always more beautiful near death." 7.) There's more evidence pointing toward the fact that the Witch of Izalith is indeed the Bed of Chaos opposed to any other theory, especially if we play the "atonement card". "The Flame of Chaos *engulfed Mother* and molded them into deformed creatures. Only I escaped, and now I am here. But my mother and sisters *have been in anguish since*. I beseech you. *Free Mother* and my sisters from the *Flame of Chaos* I cannot do it myself; I lack the strength, and the bravery…" According to Quelana, she knows exactly where her mother is and exactly what took place in Izalith. There'd have to be more then just a huge guess to prove otherwise IMHO. It would be strange for a Goddess to think she can't start dishing out punishment to others when she has so much unfinished business going on herself, don't you think? 8.) To me, Velka just seems like a Goddess of "Justice" and nothing more. Every time she is related to something in the lore it seems to be an action or set of events to strike balance. As you can see with many of the Gods mentioned above, not one seems to be a God of Justice. "Mask worn by pardoners serving Velka, the Goddess of Sin. The pardoners listen to the confessions of sinners, urging reflection and salvation. Their masks symbolize separation from worldly desires. (add)The pardoners' attire is uniformly black in color and said to be imbued with Velka's mystical power, which provides *resistance against all manner of magic.*" -Black Cleric Set "A mask/robe/manchettes/tights honoring an ancient goddess. Sin was said to be her domain, but the name of the goddess is long forgotten." "Little is known about what purpose the mask/robe/manchettes/tights served, only that it was worn by a person of great authority." -Judgment Set Vow of Silence: "Creates an aura that prohibits all spell casting, the caster and allied Phantoms included." See, this Goddess Velka 'here' seems pretty consistent IMO. She only becomes confusing and all-over-the place when she is placed into lore scenarios that don't seem to match her goals. All of her powers seem to be 'anti-effect'. We can be sure that the Witch of Izalith and her daughters were all well-versed in magic before the events of Chaos, we hear it time and again, but spells like "Vow of Silence" seem much, much older then her. 9.) Most important of all, the Witches of Izalith are NOT human, not even the Fair Lady. That is distinctively made clear in every game. Also, firekeepers don't have a requirement to be human. "Soul of a long-lost Fire Keeper. Each Fire Keeper is a *corporeal manifestation* of her bonfire, and a draw for the humanity which is offered to her. Her soul is gnawed by infinite humanity, and can boost the power of the precious Estus Flask. Reinforced Estus Flasks capture denser Estus, allowing for increased restoration of HP." The only thing we can be sure of is that Fire Keepers are female, but that may not be a definite rule either, just a likely and reoccurring one.

Thanks so much friend! That means a lot! I spent the better part of a month racking my brain over this, haha. DLC related to this would be amazing. There were some "leaked" concept arts that people thought might be about the DLC. Though I never take these things at their merit, but I did get all excited when I saw concept art of a bunch of demons, including new crow demons! ;)

Sorry if I confused you friend, hehe! I don't think the Dark Soul had anything to do with why the First Flame began to fade, it began to fade because it's just the natural progression of time. I believe the Witch of Izalith attempted to recreate the First Flame with her Lord Soul, as the flame was fading, so that they would have a back up source. Though as we know this plan did not work out, and she lost control of it and it birthed the Bed of Chaos and thus the Flame of Chaos. Which, the Chaos Flame, is where I believe the Dark Soul was found. I hope that helps clarify! =)

But, if I understood it right, you say in the video that soon after the Dark souls was found, the flame faded/began to fade. So, I had the understanding that it caused the fading, but you're telling me that's not the case, so it just made the fading happen faster? Or am I completely wrong?

No, I don't think the Dark Soul had any implications on the fading of the flame at all!

Oh, I see. I'm very confused now with my theories. I always thought that the fading was a natural thing, but at the same time it was linked to the spread of humanity. My theory was that Gwyn, and the other lords, seeing the flame was fading,and humanity was spreading , they tried things to stop that. First, the Witch tried to replicate the first flame, and it went wrong. After that, Gwyn saw the only way to extend the age of fire was linking (to something) the flame. I assumed that he ended up linking it to humans because it was totally related to the Age to come after the Age of fire. But now with the possibility of the Dark Soul being a fruit of the Chaos Flame, everthing is crazy in my mind again. Anyway, Thanks for the answers. You're doing an amazing Job with your lore videos!

Well I mean, that could make sense too! These are just my theories on the events of the game. At the end of the day everyone is able to believe what they want and have their own Dark Souls story to fill in the gaps, that's one of the big points of the story. For us to be creative! =D

+Casey Zei Very insightful, thanks for this! I will continue pondering even further. I've made quite a few more revelations since making this video, so I'll likely want to make an updated video in tug future! =)

I'm playing through DS1 again, and found some more just now to tack on. The information i'm finding contradicts your theory- actually. But I have an alternative that doesn't completely destroy it. The first part goes to Kaathe. "But your progenitor found a fourth, unique soul." Progenitor generally meaning you two are of the same species. Not a god, like The Witch of Izalith became when she took the Lord Soul. This would mean the individual is still very much an undead like your character. Perhaps after the bed of Chaos incident she became an undead once again? Then theres the line "Your ancestor claimed the Dark Soul and waited for Fire to subside. And soon, the flames did fade, and only Dark remained." If this were true for the Witch of Izalith, why would she create the Bed of Chaos in attempt to recreate the first flame? Her goal would be to wait for fire to subside and use the dark soul. My only retort to this is that she became the Furtive Pygmy/Velka after creating the bed of Chaos. She took on the name Velka so none would know who she was. The First Sin was attempting to recreate the first flame. The sin Aldia studied so dearly. When she found the Dark Soul and became Velka, she had a new answer to fix the world that wasnt rekindling the flame. This retort makes the most sense because its called the "Bed of Chaos." She was known as the Witch of Izalith, and her daughters, the Daughters of Chaos. Shes never put side-by-side with the word Chaos anywhere in her own story. If we look at the original Japanese, i'm almost certain that the word "Bed" would be translated to something closer to "Grave." The grave of her daughters of Chaos. Then theres this interesting tidbit. "she attempted to recreate the First Flame using a soul." She created the bed of Chaos by using a soul? Which soul? The Dark soul, or her Lord soul? It seems irrational to me that its just some random soul she found. It certainly has to be one or the other. I would assume she used the Lord Soul. She split it up amongst her and her Daughters of Chaos, and did the ritual. When it failed, it engulfed her daughters, and left her mortally wounded without power, much like we see the Furtive Pygmy in the cinematic. Completely charred and surrounded by ash and Chaos. The Lord Soul makes the most sense to me, because the Bed of Chaos claimed it as its core. Unless the Dark Soul rejected attempting to become a flame, as darkness would, and created a void that instead sucked the Lord Soul and the daughters in. Ontop of my base reasoning that she used the Lord Soul, if she had the Dark soul and then "waited for fire to subside" as Kaathe put it, then she would almost certainly HAVE to obtain the Dark Soul after her failed attempt. Otherwise she wouldnt have simply waited for fire to subside. However, this entire argument destroys your "The Furtive Pygmy's soul in the cinematic isn't black" theory. You could make the argument that part of her lord soul hadnt been consumed after the Bed of Chaos incident, but that seems so unlikely given the fact that the bed of Chaos has what is presumably a full Lord Soul when you kill it. The next line is a bit hard to wiggle around. "Seek Gravelord Nito, the Witch of Izalith, and the traitor Seath the Scaleless." This is said by Kaathe, and also I believe Frampt once you place the Lord Vessel. The Bed of Chaos is obviously what hes speaking of when he says the Witch of Izalith. The only possible alternative here, is they are completely unaware she survived. Which would make complete sense as the Furtive Pygmy, because she took on the name of Velka. Shrouding her identity from the Gods and the Primordial Serpents. Now theres another bit to this theory that also helps yours out a bit more. "Lord Gwyn trembled at the Dark. Clinging to his Age of Fire, and in dire fear of humans, and the Dark Lord who would one day be born amongst them," This means a lot in terms of the Witch of Izalith. Gwyn became a God. A symbolic resonance of the age of fire. And he found the most powerful Fire/God Soul that existed. Yet the Witch of Izalith couldn't become the Dark Lord, after finding the Dark Soul? This very much holds true to your Lilith theory. She started as one of the Gods. Produced from Fire, and symbolic of life. But when she was forced to be subservient, she rejected and turned to the dark. She couldn't become the Dark Lord, she had already become a God. But using this argument in tandem with the prior argument, that she became an undead again after the Bed of Chaos incident, simply isn't logical. Perhaps she had no desire to be the dark lord? She fed too much to Manus, who used to be an undead himself? "Ancient Manus was clearly once human. But he became the Father of the Abyss after his humanity went wild, eternally seeking his precious broken pendant." From this entire argument, I think i'm leaning more toward Manus being the Furtive Pygmy than anything. Your argument in another video is that the Furtive Pygmy is a lot like Jesus. I'd like to add the perspective instead, that the Furtive Pygmy is Adam. The metaphorical semblance is uncanny. Your argument is also that The Witch of Izalith/Velka is a metaphorical representation of Adam's first wife Lilith. Meaning that the Manus/Adam and Izalith/Lilith pairing makes perfect sense, and the events that transpire from these two characters is almost IDENTICAL to the scriptures. The word Manus by definition means hand. Hands are metaphorical representations of action, leadership, or domination. This very much moreso fits Adam than Jesus symbolically speaking. I think you mention this in the video but this is a direct definition: "The power over other people, especially that of a man over his wife." Meaning I believe what you said in this video is more accurate than your Jesus theory one. The Witch of Izalith and Manus meet before the souls are found. They find the souls, and fight the dragons together. They build their beautiful society in an age of fire. Manus wanted The Witch of Izalith to stand down, and be subservient to him, and let the age of dark take over her age of fire. She refuses, and attempts to prolong the age of fire, and creates the bed of chaos. The source of all demons. Much like Lilith did when she left Adam and the Garden of Eden. Manus lived on, keeping his pendant to himself, and eventually found a new mate. This is mostly speculation, and just following the bible at this point, but it would be the Eve of Dark Souls. Something that had formed from part of himself? An earlier fragment of the Dark Soul we aren't told of? If you wish to go with the Adam/Manus, Izalith,Lilith theory, there is one unfortunate point to it. The likelyhood of Velka being the Witch of Izalith at this point is incredibly unlikely. Lilith herself birthed the demons. Meaning she would HAVE to be the bed of Chaos, and have only existed upon the world as the Witch of Izalith. Velka is already a well established character within the world by the time you kill the bed of Chaos. However, I still think through some rationale that Velka/The Witch of Izalith/Lilith are all one in the same. The furtive Pygmy seems more like Manus on almost every level symbolically to me. You're religious and i'm not, however. So perhaps you have more insight? I want you to convince me of it and try to poke holes in this argument honestly. I'm ignorant of a lot of it. I found an interesting biblical quote about Abel and Cain while researching these points however. I thought you'd find it interesting as a man of faith who loves comparing things to Dark Souls. "[Prophet], tell them the truth about the story of Adam's two sons: each of them offered a sacrifice, and it was accepted from one and not the other. One said, 'I will kill you,' but the other said, 'God only accepts the sacrifice of those who are mindful of Him. If you raise your hand to kill me, I will not raise mine to kill you. I fear God, the Lord of all worlds, and I would rather you were burdened with my sins as well as yours and became an inhabitant of the Fire: such is the evildoers' reward.' But his soul prompted him to kill his brother: he killed him and became one of the losers. God sent a raven to scratch up the ground and show him how to cover his brother's corpse and he said, 'Woe is me! Could I not have been like this raven and covered up my brother's body?' He became remorseful."

One more thing I forgot. You mentioned a video made by Hawkshaw about Quelana being manipulative, so I went and watched that. In the video he has a theory that Jeremiah is in fact the father of the Daughters of chaos. The proof being game code, chaos pyromancies, the whip, painted world, ect. I find it incredibly likely that after Manus and Velka separated, that she found a suitable replacement in Jeremiah. Much like Lilith coupled with the Archangel Samael before being castrated by God. This "castration event" would be why he ran away and split from Izalith and moved to the painted world later. Leaving her once again without a consort.

Casey Zei If i am not mistaken the Furtive Pygmy and the Dark Lord are two different persons. The Pygmy obtained the Dark Soul, and the Dark Lord rules in the Age of Dark, i mean, you can literally become the Dark Lord at the end.

Casey Zei I came

Thank you kindly friend!

This is why I don't believe the theory, there's a clear distinction between Izalith and furtive pygmy

Well said.

Johnnny spade also the witch is still at the bottom of the bed of chaos she is the bug.

Well, in your opinion sure. Sorry you don't dig it, man.

+The Ashen Hollow Even in your warning says this is speculation, I like some of your videos but recently it's been taking over the real story. You're filling in holes that that have barely to no evidence of being there.

Kyle Burgon Just doing what we're meant to do with the story. Don't understand why some people fear that. I'm not passing this as canon. Also, there is plenty of evidence to connect the dots in my theory, whether you chose to believe it or not. So saying "no evidence" is a little wacky to me. o_O

+The Ashen Hollow You provide very little.

Again, in your opinion. Not mine, or many others!

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Thank you friend! =D

Thanks so much friend!

+Anett Csorba

+tommy rod Thanks so much, friend!

You're too kind! =D

+7heWhiteWolf I'll take it! Thanks friend. I don't expect all of my theories to be believed by the masses, but I do like to stress the importance of always connecting dots and stories! :)

+ブラ Love Thanks, friend! I've tried contacting him quite a few times, but I think he's out of the game. =\

Man I hope that's one thing your wrong about. It would be a shame if true, hopefully he's just hard at work putting together another hour and half video. Either way both you guys are awesome!

Thanks so much friend, that means a lot! I'll always try my best! =)

Thanks, buddy! =]

@@TheAshenHollow p.s where is the discord link by chance, I can't seem to find it.

Thank you for the kind words, they mean a lot! I completely understand what you're saying! I try to do more "unique" theories and stuff as often as I can. I do understand the importance of the more basic ones though for sure. In fact I've done one or two myself, and will probably do more. But I will always keep trying to reach as deep as I can in evidence for some off the wall unexpected things! =D

Thank you!

Thank you!

Karla can teach you any kind of magic if you give her the right item, so I dont' really know if she's supposed to be an image for the Witch of Izalith ("Regular" and Dark Sorceries, Pryomancies, Chaos Pyro, Miracles, Dark Miracles etc.)

Thanks friend! =)

+baxtere92 Thank you. That's really what the game is about! =)