Gwyn is inspired by Zeus. Zeus loved to get freaky with mortal women and higher beings and that usually caused trouble. Therefore the idea of Gwyn banging a dragon is not surprising at all. Fun fact: here in Greece we have a saying when things go really wrong and it roughly translates to ''Zeus is fucking again''
Zeus god of not keeping it in your pants Really 90% of Greece Myths could have been avoided if the gods didn't cheat on their spouse/waited to be wed maby that's why we have so few stories involving Hades
Yorshka suddenly ends the conversation by jumping off her tower and flying to firelink. You do the same, and find out you are the descendent of the pickle-pee bird. And Miyazaki's the father. Take that, Vaati!!!
So you know those dragons... "yeah Gwyn, we'll get back to the war" No no no, have you ever looked at a dragon? "Yeah we killed several" You ever thought about... you know... "I uh. My lord what?" They have such long tails... "My lord... go jump in the fire"
I just checked the japanese lines for yorshka, and she clearly states "私の兄", which literally means "my older brother", so yea, that is personal, and not a title (if it was a title it'd be written differently) so your logic is correct.
isn't the nameless king the firstborn, thus making him the older brother? perhaps yorshka doesn't even know who he was since he dropped the annals of history due "to his foolishness".
Well that easily clears up the question of what she meant. I assume not much else was lost in translation, but this is just one of those cases where titles get confused.
yea, I went after the japanese lines exactly to check for a case of translation loss, but nope, she's mentioning her brother, because she used 私 (watashi) to say "me" (私の means "my"). If it was a title, she would've used a more archaic version of the word, 我 (waga) for "me", that clears up the ambiguity
I can confirm this as mostly correct . 私 is the kanji for Watashi (a.k.a "i/me"). の is the kana for "no" which is just a connecting term basically equivalent to "of" in english and often implies ownership/connection between things, and then 兄 (ani) is a term for brother that is exclusively usen as a way of referring to the brother to others almost as a title, similar to "Otouto", whereas you would speak to your brother by calling him Oni instead of Ani which is only used when talking about him to others. Ani doesn't ALWAYS have to refer to an "older" brother, but it makes it pretty likely. Anyway, putting it all together you get "Watashi no Ani" which literally would translate as "My of Brother" but the correct translation would be "Brother of mine" or just "My Brother"
Perhaps Yorshka was the entire point of seeking the dragons out. Maybe he was hoping the child of a God and a Dragon would end up being powerful enough to save the flame. He might of been hoping to make a being with a dragon's elemental immortality and a god's power over souls, surely such a being could fuel the flame forever. If so he obviously failed. What a bitter realization that would of been. Bitter enough to lock the child away and never want anything to do with her perhaps?
@@UnholyWrath3277 I always thought she was a resident of the painted world but left when it finally got too corrupted. That’s why she doesn’t know much of the outside world but was still a part of Gwyndolin’s order. Because he was the one that found her.
@@mariothane8754 while an interesting theory we unfortunately don't know and probably never will. Much like ludleth is implied to have had a very important role in the story but is left completely bare in concrete evidence all we can say for certain is she viewed gwyndolin as her brother and was imprisoned by sulyvahn when he took power. The rest is purely theory
Gwyndolin's affinity for the moon might have been a reason why he was excluded from memorial, but I think the simple truth is that he was born long after Anor Londo was built while Gwyn's first two children were already of age before the founding of the city. When Gwyndolin had finally matured, all hell had done broke lose so erecting statues in his malformed likeness was not a priority, especially when it seems that running things discreetly was more to his liking. Gwyn consorting with dragon-kind as he presumably had in producing Yorshka might have been a catalyst for the first born leaving off in a huff if he had indeed rebelled. Note the miracle which the first born left behind was likely one which he had used many times to slay dragons, and as he wished farewell to his father he also put that part of his life behind him. Here's a macabre thought: What if the point of the crossbreed was using the immortality to create kindling that could feed the First Flame indefinitely? Perhaps Gwyndolin was lonely as he lost his father and both siblings vanished to parts unknown. When he met Yorshka he was delighted, and if the plan was to use her for linking the fire Gwyndolin might have abandoned it (either because he was resigned to the cycle, figured out the plan wouldn't work, or so damn lonesome being with family mattered more than the plan).
00Boogie Infinite kindling was the reason Shanalotte was created by Aldia btw (although a failed attempt for reasons that escape me now; this is Dark Souls II). It's not as far fetched as you might think, but I doubt they would repeat the same idea again right in the sequence.
It would make more sense for Yorshka and Gwyndolin to be children of the Firstborn Faraam and because he humped dragons, he was expelled from the annals and stripped of his deific status. That would make Gwyn a grandfather of Yorshka and Gwyndolin, it wouldnt be too unlike for them to call Gwyn as their father, since their real father Faraam had left/expelled. Also it's very likely that Gwyndolin and Yorshka were raised by Velka, Gwyn's wife and thus their grandmother. Velka is connected to the moon and so are Yorshka and Gwyndolin.. It would make sense that Gwyn would erase all records of his son Faraam humping dragons and producing crossbreeds.
Totally agreed! The Firstborn could have left them as "parting gifts", explaining why Gwyn still adopted them, while making sure no one (outside of the Gods) knew of them. :3
Perhaps its not actually through sexual relations she was born but maybe she was born from a lord soul. Gwyn gave a piece of his soul to Seathe. Seathe experimented on maidens. Gwyndoline was still in Anor Londo. So Seathe creates Yorshka with a piece of the Lord Gwyn Soul, Gwyndoline hides her away to protect her and names her Yorshka. Aldrich and Pontiff take over Anor Londo but cannot get Yorshka as she is hidden sparing her being devoured by Aldrich and ensuring the line of Gwyn continues.
The Laughing Man not trying to disprove your theory or anything but wouldn't that take away from the power of seaths lord souls shard meaning that you wouldn't be able to open the gate at firelink? don't you need to amass the strength of 3 lord souls?
I don't think he needed to extract the power of the Lord Soul. Maybe he did research on it, but he may have used his own dragon DNA to create the crossbreeds.
Heroes of Time not if it didn't take from Seathe. If he used a part or piece of Gwyn's soul and not his own. We don't know how big a piece he received or if he used some in his experiments to prolong Gwyns and his own dominion
Owen Mcdonnell thanks friend! Praise the ☀️ What if gwyndoline and seathe still created her but while Gwyndoline is being devoured they hide Yorshka until he is Digested? We encounter her on an invisible bridge right so Pontiff makes sure no one but us mad hollows attempt to walk there, where she is imprisoned?
LOL Icon I also agree with that. It would explain why Gwyndoline shares his lower form... also why Pricilla and Yorshka are crossbreads. Seathe crossed dragon and lord DNA, like how flowers cross/pollinate, thereby creating a new race. Part dragon part lord
How about INCEST?! I'm quite astounded why no one ever thought about this! Go with me on this one. We know for a fact that Gwyn had 3 children at the moment that he became Lord of Cinder: * Firstborn - the nameless king. * Gwynevere - Princess of sunlight. * Gwyndolin - Dark sun. Since Gwyn became Lord of Cinder, he gone hollow. I assume he didn't have time to make kids due to the fact he had to sacrifice himself over and over again to prolong the age of fire. Now while Gwynevere and the nameless king do look very "God-like" and resemble Gwyn in terms of physical structure, Gwyndolin looks nothing like his father. So in this case I assume that they came from two different mothers, due to the fact him not looking anything like his other family members. Note that Gwyndolin has snakes instead of legs, and as we all know snakes have strong connection with dragons. Who else do we know that is related to dragons? Seath the scaleless? Even if he was female, I doubt that Gwyn would put his d*** inside that, aside from Seath being all messed up, Gwyn also hated dragons. How about Crossbreed Priscilla? She is a part dragon, that's even mentioned in her name FFS! Besides her tail, she looks nothing like a dragon, but she is part dragon. It's just the only viable option here: * She is assumed to be the daughter of Seath (a dragon). * She lives inside a painting which is very close geographically to where Gwyndolin is. * Why would Gwyndolin chose to locate himself to her if they weren't related? When you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable, must be the truth? And the truth as I see it is: Crossbreed Priscilla + Gwyn = Gwyndolin !!! Now, moving on to Yorshka! As I already established, Gwyn can't be her father, due to the fact him being busy burned alive over and over again. Also other Gods have left Anor Londo... all besides one - Gwyndolin! So in this case I'm almost sure that Gwyndolin + Crossbreed Priscilla = Yorshka !!! Let's look at the other evidence: We know that Priscilla lived inside a painting, and she's the most likely candidate to give birth to Yorshka. Yorshka also has weird tentacles around her neck, and she is also very skinny and fragile looking, just like Gwyndolin. It all adds up! Yorshka and Gwyndolin are siblings for having the same mother - Priscilla. But Gwyndolin is also her father. The reason why it's not mentioned is to protect that poor girl. I don't think she would be happy to hear that "your brother is also your daddy". There are platy of more evidence, and I would share them tomorrow, if I'll manage to find this post :P
@Dioo B. Incest is a pretty common theme when it comes to mythology. Look at greek and norse mythology, you will find incest everywhere there, as well as beastiality. So it would make sense if they incorporated that into the backstory of the god in Dark Souls as well.
I don't know if I've overlooked this but I'm sure there is nothing to support that Gwyn hated dragons. The only impression I get is that Gwyn wanted dominion over the world and to do that was to overthrow the dragons. To me it's more about conquest than hatred. As for the Nameless King siding with the dragons I get the feeling he did that because he saw honor and the way of the warrior in dragons (DS2 heavily implies warriors of honor with the way the dragon kin behave in the Dragon Shrine). Nameless King probably didn't see this in his father and when Gwyn saw this he might have gone into a rage seeing it as a huge insult to him personally especially considering it came from his son. Crossbreeding could have been straw that broke the camel's back but I don't subscribe to that as everything to do with Nameless King implies ascending to dragon's.
"Father Gwyn" doesn't really click with being a religious meaning. In DS1, when people mentioned Gwyn with worship, they called him "Lord Gwyn", even though they were not his direct subjects (like Solaire or Siegmeyer). He was "Lord" even in the Way of White and Allfather was Lloyd, Gwyn's uncle.
Maybe Seathe expiremented with a sample of Gwyn's DNA and his own DNA and ended up with Yorshka, like how the scholar of the first sin created Shannalot, or the emerald herald.
Adoption is more likely in my opinion, as Gwyndolyn gives her name, meaning Gwynn never interacted with her. My theory? She's either Ocelot, or a daughter of the half-breed, either way, she's part dragon, and now you have to unnecessarily justify Gwynn laying with his enemy, so she is NOT Gwynn's biological daughter, because Gwyndolin is the one who adopted her, and raised her to assume everyone else in the family as their role, ergo she refers to Gwynn as father. More simple than justifying Gwynn doing it with a Dragon, and Seath is male. Also, consider that in Japanese ONII-CHAN, older brother, is a very generally used term that doesn't necessarily mean an actual biologically tied family member.
"Father" is capitalized in her dialogue, she's not calling him dad. Just like the Darkmoon Blade miracle says, she just seems to be copying Gwyndolin. Not knowing the meaning of what she's saying.
"Father" is only capitalized when she says "Father Gwyn" along with "Sister Gwynevere" every other time she mentions Gwyn as father it is lower-cased, as well as brother when referencing Gwyndolin. So she is calling him dad.
Since we do not actually know what Gwyn was up to in those days, it is reasonable to concede we do not know if he is Yorshka's father, but from her dialog I would argue that she certainly thinks so - probably through her interactions with Gwyndolin; seeing that Gwyn's dislike for her, going so far as to deny her even her name and, presumably, all contact, suggests that she has no direct knowledge of "her father". That would also explain her reverence for her "youngest brother" to this day, who seems to have been the only one to acknowledge her existence and show her some basic kindness. It would all be much clearer, of course, if we knew who is speaking in the item descriptions - but, then again, speculation is the soul of the series, so to speak.
@@heyhoojoe Yorska like Nameless King, are outcasts childrens that Gwyn, for some reason, grew dislike of them. Lets be real here, Gwyn treat his childrens like crap.
@@iloveanothermanswives4278 or a child he didn't know of. Gwyn puts it about, now having 5 children not 3. It's possible that gwynevere, gwyndolin and the gwynless king/first-born are from the same mother but yorska and filianore are from a different mother.
Could be the Firstborn's daughter what else would cause a father to exile his son? Creating blood ties with crossbreed priscilla would be a logical reason for that
My guess is that Yorshka was a part of Seaths imortality experiments , perhaps creating her with Gwyns essence along with his own, Gwyndolin would find her in Seaths chambers after Seaths mandatory defeat in Ds1, he would adopt her as his sister ( out of both pitty & lonelyness as the last remaining royal of Gwyns line) then he would anounce to the kingdom that Yorshka was another legitimate daughter of Gwyn (keeping the Seath bit secret)
Bro, Gwyn's not Yorshka's father, but she thinks he is. She is Gwyndolin's half-sister and they share the same mother, not the same father. I think that Gwyn had two children with one mother (Gwynevere and the Firstborn) and one child with a different mother (Gwyndolin). Gwyndolin's mother has an unspecified number of children.
Let's remember that character dialogue is suspect because Dark Souls characters have their own motivations to be honest or dishonest, and can have false understandings of things. However, item descriptions are supposed to be reliable. So, let's say you're Gwyndolin, you're obsessed with your dead father Gwyn and his legacy, you meet you cross-breed maternal half-sister, and you get along real well. I'd guess that you'd just tell Yorhska that her father is Gwyn too. Yorshka can believe and tell people that Gwyn's her father even if it's not actually true. Who is Gwyndolin's and Yorshka's mother, then? The Furtive Pygmy herself, Velka The Goddess of Sin. That's why the Dark SUN Gwyndolin is only leader and captain of the Blades of the Darkmoon, not the creator of it. That's why the Blades of the Darkmoon use Velka's Book of the Guilty that Velka's own Pardoner peddles. Because Darkmoon Velka the Goddess of Sin originally created the Blades of the Darkmoon before fleeing Anor Londo. That's why she raised her son, Gwyndolin, as a girl whilst his father was absent linking the flame. He learned moon magic from his black-haired witch mother instead of lightning bolt stories from his already-cinder father. It seems reasonable to assume that Yorshka and Priscilla share at least one parent. Considering Priscilla's dagger, cut from her own tail, deals Occult (aka Dark) damage it would make sense that the original heir to the Dark Soul could be her mother. Also, Oswald of Carim is definitely doing a unique pose that the player never acquires (the emote he gives the player is similar but indisputably a different pose than he idles in). This pose that he idles in is totally a reverse Praise the Sun.
So, to recap: Velka's pardoner sells Velka's Book of the Guilty and does a Praise the Moon pose. Blades of the Darkmoon use the very same book. Blades of the Darkmoon are lead by the Dark Sun Gwyndolin. Priscilla possesses life hunt that the gods fear and her dagger does Occult (Dark) damage. Yorshka and Gwyndolin accept each other as siblings. Suggesting at least one shared parent. Item descriptions from DS1 prohibit Priscilla and Yorshka from being fathered by Gwyn. Therefore, Gwyndolin must (hypothetically) share the same father as Gwynevere and the Firstborn, and share the same mother as Priscilla and Yorshka (and possibly others). hashtag Darkmoon Velka Goddess of Sin.
The item description changes you mention here in your video don't necessitate retconning DS1 lore. DS1 item descriptions establish two fixed points: a first born and a last born. They don't allow for a child to be younger than Gwydnolin or a child older than the first born. It does not explicitly state anywhere that Gwynevere was Gwyn's only daughter nor that he only had three children. Gwynevere's just the only one we ever hear of. The changes in DS3 item descriptions that you mention are looser and allow for Gwyn to have a younger child than Gwyndolin but does not guarantee it either. "Eldest daughter" does seem to imply that Gwyn had more than one daughter. Without retconning DS1 lore any younger sister of Gwynevere would have to be older sister to Gwyndolin. Yorshka states that Gwyndolin is her older brother. Either they retconned DS1, she is misinformed as to how old she is compared to Gwyndolin, or she is misinformed on who her true biological father is. You're suggesting they retconned DS1. I think that Yorshka is just misinformed as to who her biological father is.
Also, Yorshka seems to be quite similar to Priscilla. You yourself say that it's obvious she's a crossbreed, yet only Priscilla is actually described as a crossbreed. We know that Priscilla's tail did Occult damage a.k.a. Dark damage. So... Gwyn + Dragon = Dark? I think it's more likely that Velka + Dragon = Dark. Your points about both Yorshka and Gwyndolin both appearing similarly frail still stand if they share the same mother. Gwyndolin seems to take much more after his mother (whoever she was) than his father considering the size and constitution of Gwyn, The Nameless King, and other members of his royal line like Rosaria and possibly the Dancer of Boreal Valley. From his mother Gwyndolin inherited moonlight sorcery instead of his father's lightning. He's also quite human-sized compared to his siblings and father. Perhaps that's because he takes more after his mother who was a furtive black-haired witch pygmy.
This is probably a theory that's gone around a lot, but it only just occured to me when you said she might have been in the Painted World. What if Yorshka's not half dragon, but quarter dragon. We do have a resident half dragon woman, who would have been pretty close at hand for Gwyn in Anor Londo, so who knows
i think gwyn's wife was velka and she had a liaison with seath and so i guess priscilla,yorska and the dlc girl birth of this union that would expect why gwyn was hidding the identtity of his wife and his bastard daughters
That would make sense, other than Velka being a deity all about law and order, so she would be the least likely one to have had the affair. The painter of Ariandel's painting also has characteristics that fit the primordial serpents, so she's likely of a different line altogether.
Even if DS3 caused a lot of confusion in the playerbase, I think that's due to some inexact translations of DS1, and some cemented wrong ideas that the community had developed based on the less resolved lore of DS1: for example: - It was Gwyndolin, not Gwyn, to exile the Nameless King (as the description about the omage on the tomb suggest, Gwyn had already linked the fire); the plot against the gods is really more likely to have been organized by Havel against The Nameless because of his strenghtening relationship with dragons; in fact Gwyn at some point used wyverns, like those blue with lightning power in defence or New Londo seal - With those white barbs, Yorshka surely descend from Seath, the only pale dragon; she is probably daughter of Gwyn and Priscilla, Priscilla being the daughter or creation of Seath and Velka (because she has an occult weapon in the tail) - the only flying things Yorshka knows are crows and dragons; I think this implies that she lived the most of her life in Ariamis, and was taken out at some point by Gwyndolin, because she was his sister or half sister, he taught her about Gwyn and the Darkmoon Blades and give her a new name
I personally believe Yorshka is the daughter of Gwynevere and Osiris and that she was left to be taken care of by Gwyndolyn by Gwynevere for what reason is probably a similar reason Priscila was taken and locked away. I just goes agents everything Gwyn stands for as a character to have him have a child with a dragon.
Hey Ash! Love your videos! They helped me very much with understanding the lore of dark souls that I previously took for merely vague and uncertain but with your videos I can now see the paterns and story of the world and characters more clearly Definitely keep up the great work! Btw I was wondering if you could in the future (just a suggestion) make a video on Ludwig the Acursed (I know it's bloodborne but still) or perhaps a video about the moonlight sword and the lore behind it - thank you!
If she’s the daughter of Priscilla, doesn’t that make Gwyn her great grandfather? So Father Gwyn isn’t entirely inaccurate. My theory: Priscilla had a child while in the painting, but due to the condition and it’s deterioration, she saw to make sure her daughter lived. We know her scythe is gone and so is most of the painting, but I imagine Gwyndolin didn’t know anything about Priscilla and the painting. When he did, found another family member when he was alone, and refusing to see her as an outcast, called her his sister instead. Hints towards her being from the painted world include the fact that she knows little of the outside world, because her world or the world she came from, was entirely fabricated. Left with little else, she became loyal to the last member of her family, Gwyndolin. He gave her her name and initiated her as a captain of his order in loyalty to the gods, teaching and speaking of Gwyn as Father Gwyn, making this both a religious and family connection for her.
Okay to add to your theory, there is a pyromancer we fight named “Livid Pyromancer Dunnel” in the painted world. In a very similar arena to that of Priscilla’s in DS1, we can find the Pyromancer’s Parting Flame whose description reads: “When Dunnel lost his hideous spouse, he gave his own pyromancy flame as an offering, which transformed into a parting flame. Not long after, Dunnel became a mad spirit, cursed to wander the lands.” Now while most of us love and adore our crossbreed, most probably thought she was a hideous being (after all, Ariamis was supposed to be a place for the things Gwyn and the other gods wanted out of sight.) TL;DR Priscilla probably had Yorshka with Dunnel
Here is a theory, and I have nothing to base it on, but what if Priscilla was an experiment of Seathe; who stole the Nameless King's heart and they eloped against Gwyn's wishes. Gwyn banished Priscilla to the painted world, and the Nameless King exiled himself after his father linked the flame. Yorshka was born and found by Gwyndolin, who took her under his wing and hid her away with his illusions, raising his niece as his own sister and Gwyn's daughter. So Yorshka *believes* Gwyn is her father, or maybe even knows he is not, and "father" is shorthand for "grandfather". I don't think Lords of Cinder can have children after linking the flame... call it a hunch... but I feel that if Gwyndolin was Gwyn's last born during DS1, a point after Gwyn had linked the flame, he is still the youngest of Gwyn's own children.
Hear me out. Oceirus had a child with which is believed to be gwynivere. And she ran away for unknown reasons. Since it is believed oceirus only had another child for power it would make sense that gwynivere ran away with the child. And brought it to here brother. Without parents and without a name, which she later got. As yorshka's bell says: "the chime of the bell helped soothing her loneliness." So she allready was in the tower. Far away from her father, and far away from her real brothers curse. Which didn't work because although yorshka can stand, she always sits and is unable to get out of the tower while there is a way out. But because they have to keep it a secret, she's taught that gwyndolin is her brother. When you take a look at the moonlight greatsword, it is statet that oceirus always wanted moonlight which never showed itself to him. And yorshka gives you the darkmoon blade. And this wouldn't be the first time gwynivere had a crossbreed. There was Priscilla which was a crossbreed between seth and gwynivere, ans oceirus is an offspring from seth i believe. I bet there is more to be found about this. But this is all i got
I remember a friend having a nephew that saw Yorshka, and was immediately fixated on her. He’s a toddler, and kept calling her “Doll Bride” because of how thin she was, and how her veil reminded him of his grandma’s wedding dress. It was kinda cute! Now, he just loves her design, alongside Lady Maria and the Doll. He wants to have his blond hair grow long like theirs, and... it kinda makes my heart melt, he loves their design.
And before you ask, the nephew snuck downstairs to see his older sister and me hanging out, and her playing Dark Souls. We didn’t even notice he was there, and not in bed, until he said “Whosat”. He wasn’t supposed to see any of that, it is not good for him besides small chunks that don’t have fighting. It’s less scary.
I don't think Yorshka is Gwyn's biological child, especially since the lore shows that Filianore was Gwyn's last daughter, gifted to the Ring City, whose knights were used to fight the dragons. Gwyn wouldn't bang a dragon, the evidence just isn't there. Many people speculate that that she may also be the daughter of Gwyndolin and Priscilla but too much doesn't line up with this interpretation, such as why Yorshka doesn't have any of the defining physical features of Gwyndolin (the snake legs or gray hair) or the physical features of her mother (such as the fur, white hair, and lack of neck tentacles) nor why Yorshka would not possess her mother lifehunt ability, as well as ignoring the fact that Gwyndolin's implied last memory of Priscilla is her being hidden away in the painting world. It also completely defies sexual biology, at least by real world standard, I doubt gods could procreate with dragons any better than humans could procreate with alligators; it just doesn't work. That being said, there's some evidence to suggest that Seath created the crossbreeds, or at least Priscilla, and really when you take out the idea of demigods fucking dragons, science is the only solution left for such a creation. So imagine this course of events: 1. Gwyn has four children during the war against the dragons: Nameless King, Gwynevere, Gwyndolin, and Filianore. Nameless King betrays his father and goes off to side with the dragons. 2. For his actions during the war, Gwyn gives Seath dukedom and a laboratory. Seath goes on the try and create a Dragon/God hybrid by crossing the DNA of his own kind (likely himself) and the gods (based on physical looks, I'd say he used Gwynevere's for Priscilla and Filianore's for Yorshka, since they're physical traits are similar). This generates two crossbreed children, Priscilla and Yorshka. Filianore is then gifted to the Ringed City. 3. Gwyn adopts Priscilla and Yorshka to replace his two lost children, with Gwynevere and Gwyndolin acting as their caretakers. 4. It is eventually discovered that Priscilla possesses the lifehunt ability, and fearing such a thing, Gwyn casts her out. Priscilla is then drawn to the painting world, where she is watched over by (presumably) Velka and the painting is placed in a temple and given personal guards by her loving sister Gwynevere. This is the theory I'm sticking with, as it explains how crossbreeds were made, why the two look so different, why Priscilla's painting is guarded in Gwynevere's temple, and why Yorshka calls Gwyn father and Gwyndolin brother, as well as why Gwyndolin's last thoughts of Priscilla are the ones where she is hidden away due to here ability.
I think Yorshka is Ocelotte, born a son to Ocerios and Gwynevere and raised as an adopted sister by Gwyndolin, or the daughter of Gwyn and Prisclilla, conceived before the events of the first game and born after.
Ocelotte was removed from game, oceiros had ocelotte in his hand during boss fight, ( fighting with an dead infant in hand, prolly why it got removed pre alpha
Here's my take, though I confess that it is rather convoluted. I believe Gwyndolin is the son of Gwyn's wife and Seathe the Scaleless. With Seathe's known proclivities, it is possible that he may have engaged in forceful relations with the wife of Gwyn. As Gwyn is known to have been a prideful and capricious man, it would not be surprising to me if Gwyn's wife were to not inform her husband of her experience to avoid his wrath. From that point, Gwyndolin would have been falsely considered to be the legitimate son of Lord Gwyn. Regardless, Gwyndolin shares a physical resemblance to Seathe's deformities, usage of sorcery, and his affinity to the moon, which would not seem to heritable from any other known source. Nonetheless, he still retains are relatively human appearance. This brings me to Priscilla, whose draconic qualities are also indicative of a blood relation to Seathe the Scaleless. Based on temporal context, I believe that Priscilla was Gwyndolin's twin. Only, Priscilla's powers of lifehunt and draconic qualities compelled her mother to hide her away from Gwyn as she was living proof of her relations with Seathe. What's strange is that both Priscilla and Gwyndolin are both killable enemies in the original Dark Souls. Thus, I propose, and I confess that this is a stretch, that based upon the convoluted timelines of the Dark Souls universe, the Gwyndolin and Yorshka of Dark Souls III are the products of an alternate timeline. A timeline in which Gwyndolin and his twin were reunited, where Priscilla was not abandoned in the Painted World but was instead able to live alongside her brother and granted the name of Yorshka. Side note: Gwyn expunged his son from history in the wake of his betrayal, thus I do not think that he would ever consort with dragons. This is merely a perspective but I hope that it could add to the discussion.
=Warning= This is going to be long. =Warning= What if Yorshka is Gwyndolin's and Priscilla's daughter instead? Filianore would be the youngest daughter of Gwyn, so the items description would be about her. This would explain why she was named by Gwyndolin himself. As for why Yorshka is naive and hidden away, it is because the Gods and Royal family fears her heritage. Being hidden away from birth, she had no connection to the outside world, not knowing anything. Priscilla, canonically, did not die by the chosen undead's hand. She, should have died alongside the rotting world, but instead, she may have left to make sure the next painter would paint the world. This would explain why there is something similar to her tower in Ariandel itself, when the Painter should have painted a new world, not knowing how the previous one looks. In that time she was outside, she met Gwyndolin and bore his child, Yorshka. This would also explain why Gwyndolin's health suddenly took a wrong turn. Her very soul was meant to destroy them and the gods. Being affected by this, his body weakened, this resulted in Yorshka also being affected by the same sickness, alhough she has resistance to it, being the case that she is a halfbreed herself, making her only frail rather than near-death. Then why does she call Gwyn her father and Gwyndolin her Brother? It was because Gwyndolin knew he would soon die. He wanted to make her a direct descendant to Gwyn himself so that she would be considered as important as the other children of Gwyn, it would reduce the amount of beings that would harm her. Aldrich's ability, Lifehunt Scythe, it was a weapon created from Priscilla's very soul. Gwyndolin, who was together with Priscilla for some time and was affected greatly by Priscilla's soul, resulted in Aldrich who devoured Gwyndolin's soul to have gained a similar ability. Yorshka being Priscilla's daughter might be the reason why Sulyvhan did not give Yorshka to Aldrich to devour. Residents of the painting would be drawn towards it when they have lost something. Sulyvhan did not lose anything, so he left the painting. But by leaving the painting, he had lost his home. Although he roamed to create a new home, being drawn to the painting as they lose something was ingrained to his very being. This would be why Frost Sorcery exist around Sulyvhan and used by so many of his knights, even though he had abandoned it.Then he found Yorshka, the child of the one who led to his worlds creation, his existence. She was the one who can bring him back to that world.
If Dragons don't have sexuality, i mean, male dragons and female dragons, and they are just dragons and can make baby dragons with every dragon that exist, Seath can be the mother of yorshka and priscila, no one think in that possibility?
Yorshka is Gwyndolin's sister by mother and not by father. Gwyn probably had many wives/mistresses as the "allfather" gods like Zeus and Odin tend to have, and Gwyndolin's mother probably isn't the same mother to Gwynevere, Nameless King and Filianore
Now this is quite an interesting concept you found there. If Gwyndolin and Yorshka are so closely related that might explain why Gwyndolin has those Serpent legs, since he might be related to the dragons aswell. Note that while the firstborn son and Gwynevere are both associated with sunlight, Gwyndolin is associated with the moon and so should be Yorshka, judging by her pale appearance and white clothing contrasted to f.e. Gwyneveres rather golden aura. Yet, it remains questionable whether Priscilla could be Yorshkas (and maybe Gwyndolins) mother, although Priscilla and Yorshka look very similar.
a side detail...may not mater at all, but remember in DS3 they talk about miracle being physical copies of some great tale or parable of faith. Maybe the son left HIS miracle because the story told in on the page he thought would somehow redeem him in his father's eyes or something similar.
hey Jake, Vaati threw a shout out to you about the text in the painting in the last boss (Lady Friede) of the DLC -- is it me or do two of the hollows from the back seem to have the white hair and helmet of Lady Yuria? Under Crusher and Stabber?
Really cool video, liked! :) You probably are wrong on the item of Gwyn and Nameless King's enduring cordial relations, though. Leaving that defining miracle on his father's coffin is the final breaking with his lineage - just consider the implications of you paying back the exact amount of money your father "invested" in you until you could earn your own bread, after falling out with him. Paying back such a debt in that way is a severing of ties, not a deepening. Also, Gwyndolin didn't have to sneakily give Yorshka the gift of her own name, that her father had denied her along with her freedom and even the basic kindness of allowing her to be with her family - all on account of her being a crossbreed - if Gwyn had a change of heart. And by the by, in myths it is perfectly common for gods to have offspring with all kinds of beings with no physicality needed there whatsoever, unless it is specifically stated. I would look at it as something more aking to changing wine and host into blood and flesh of Christ, or the Abrahamic god making man out of clay, and woman out of that dude's rib - some good old fashinoned magic, is what I'm saying, no need to conjure up the naughty flicks in your mind, unless you want to ;-)
Great video, though through watching a number of videos regarding Gwyn and his children I tend to agree with the idea that Gywndolin was not only Gywn's last child but that Gwyn never met him. Gywndolin was raised by Gywnevere (This is also why I think he made the illusion of her so large, from his perspective as a child she would appear huge). I think Gywndolin found Yorshka and raised her as his sister raised him (venerating Gywn as a father while someone else played the role of parent). The reason they both are so frail is that the world has not been doing much better since the linking of the fire. I forget where I read it but I recall that each time the fire fades the world degenerates, linking the flame just halts the decline. Shortages of food would definitely become a problem, note that most enemies by Dark Souls 3 are all very emaciated (Those who endorse the Gywnevere is Rosaria, that would be why she doesn't have her most noted feature). At this point I'm not really sure who her parents are, maybe Dunnel and Priscilla. Which would put her on the same track as Sulyvahn, not forlorn and thus was able to leave the painting. Yorshka was found by Gywndolin and raised from there. (Unrelated since I brought up Sulyvahn: Before the DLC came out and I was nosing around Irithyll and ended up asking my friends "Why are there so many jars of cold in Irithyll. These things are in peoples houses and give you frostbite; so did they intentionally freeze Anor Londo?" Fast-forward, guess who is from a cold painted world. The little details in level design. )
it could also be that gwyn never knew about gwyndolin. It could be that gwyndolin was born at the time of War against the Demons, and when gwyn came back to anor londor,gwyndolin left an illusion of gwynewere,who has already left. Takes some time to talk about all the details of this theory,but its a good one.
Rosaria's powers were used on Priscilla making here a "new" god and hence why she is being saved to be fed to aldritch later after he has devoured all of the "old" gods such as Gwyndolin. That is why she comes off as similar and why Gwyndolin had to give here a name. I always believed that after the painting was set aflame Priscilla got out or was forced out of the painting for one reason or another and Gwyndolin saved her for the fact that he was all alone now and sensed part of his father Gwyn's power still residing in her so he felt a bond. He even attempted to defend her and in doing so ended up being fed to Aldritch when he failed to defeat Aldritch and his allies.
could be the firstborns kid and they told her about gwyn after the wiped him from the record, or she put 2 and 2 together and didn't know about the firstborn
I'm not sure what to think about this theory anymore now that we have been introduced to Filianore. At least we know that not all of Gwyn's children were mentioned in DS1. I think that Yorshka is actually the being who was in the egg that Filianore holds. After all, there are images of Gwyndolin carved into Filianores church doors. Has to mean something right.
I think the Painter Girl is the one that came out of that Egg and "Uncle" Gael is the one who brought her to the Painting so she have a safe place or in the next Painted World she creates for herself and also the one who raised her thats she calling him Uncle.
Some solid lore theory here and actually helps me with my own head lore. As of right now, I'm thinking Yorshika was the daughter of Gwyndolin and Priscilla, had in secret or possible after Gwyn linked the fire. Gwyndolin, hiding her true origins, tells her he is her brother, names her and raises her to carry on his legacy
Gwyndolin was a pale Moon Deity with serpent legs. Both Priscilla and Yorshka are pale and bathed in moonlight. Seethe made the Moonlight Butterfly and you get the Moonlight greatsword from him in the first game and Aldrich who ate Gwyndolin in the third game. Seethe is referred to as male but gender seems to work differently for dragons, not to mention he was obsessed with women presumably because they could give birth and create life and Seethe was obsessed with immortality.
Is that a spear of the church emblem on Yorshka's crown ? That other child you mention might actually be Filianore, and Yorshka could be that child born from the egg ? (instead of Midir as many think it is).
Great video as always, Ashen Hollow, nicely entertaining. Though I'd like to point out, that, according to one source, there is no "direct descendant" in the Japanese version. Just..."descendant".
Great video, man! That veil. How did I never put that together. As for Yorshka's pedigree, we know Gwyn gave a piece of his soul to Seath. What would a weirdo immortal Dragon that loved to experiment on maidens related to Gwynevere do with a thing like that?
It makes more sense that Yorshka is more like a successful experiment of a Lord and Dragon hybrid than actually been conceived. You can see evidence of said experiments throughout the whole series but most if not all were failures. Seath was researching into immortality and Gywn was looking to do anything to drive the dark away (hence adopting a dragon and putting it at the source to combat it). So it wouldnt be shocking if Gywn gave his own blood to Seath to create a hybrid OR Seath created the hybrid from Gywn's soul when he gave a part of it to him as a reward. So in a sense, Yorshka doesnt have a mother. She is related to Gwyn by blood but was created by Seath's magic.
How about that : Yorshka and Gwyndolin are twins, Gwyn's power got divided between the two, explaining why they are so frail (would also explain why Gwyndolin has snake legs, if they both have dragon ascendancy)? Or : Gwyndolin isn't Gwyn's son. It was Yorshka originally, and she got replaced by Gwyndolin as Gwyn's child. Another reason why Gwyndolin was raised as a daughter maybe?
So, both of our theories are a bit of a stretch. Im not even a fan of my theory, but it seems more likely to me. Gwyndolin and Yorshka are both incredibly frail. This genetic trait certainly does not come from Lord Gwynn. Gwynevere and the First Born are both examples of this. Meaning Gwyndolin had a different mother. This makes the most sense given that there are no statues of Gwyndolin in Anor Londo. Only Gwynn, the firstborn, and the daughter. Meaning after the first wife died, or they had a divorce, Gwynn had a second consort. Now, if this mother was the same person, clearly Gwyndolin would also be part dragon. The frail trait is WAY too specific to ignore. these are the only two characters in Dark Souls like this. and as you always say, coincidences dont happen in Dark Souls. This next part is why I dont like my theory, but find it most likely. The invisible platform to get to Yorshka is clearly created by Gwyndolin. But, where is the only other place we see a floor like this? Seath's lair. We know Gwyndolin is a male, but was raised as a girl. His model even has breasts in DS1. Why would they include such a random gender swap without capitalizing on it? I dont think they would. So Seath/Gwyndolin had Yorshka. Gwyndolin loves his father, and wanted to keep this a secret. She used an illusion to hise the oregnancy, and then she shoved Yorshka in the painted world. How Priscilla fits into this, I have no idea. The first borns child? This storyline ESPECIALLY makes sense when you consider that the tomb that Gwyndolin guards over contains the first born's ring, and lightning spell. Showing that Gwyndolin empathized with her brothers love of dragons. To help with your theory regarding the father brother dialogue, it seems fairly obvious that Yorshka believes Gwynn is her father. But that seems almost IMPOSSIBLE given the fact Gwyndolin and Yorshka would need to have the same mom to both be frail. It seems more likely to me that after we linked the flame and killed Gwynn, Gwyndolin took Yorshka out of the painted world, and told her that he was her brother. having no need to still hide her. And that their father was lord Gwyn. Giving your child a Godlike father seems more caring than a frail floating guardian.
Except Gwyndolin is 100% confirmed to be a man...period! Dark Souls 3 even tells you that the only reason Gwyndolin appeared as female with the breast model etc.. is due to the Reversale Ring that had specific magic in it to change your movement and appearance, and was given to him so he could pretend to be female.
Here's an idea. What if Qwyn went to Seath for help, offering his seed to try to create whatever it is Seath wanted. The seed of a lord would be powerful. And when this failed, creating Yorshka, Qwyn offered his first daughter, which in using a female created a more perfected dragon child, Priscilla.
One thing I think might be possible is that Yorshka was not born yet when Gwyn chose to become cinder (she recites the tale of how Gwyn became cinder rather... emotionless, I feel, which leads me to think that Gwyndolin told her of the tale without her witnessing it herself). If you think of it this way then the only persons left at Anor Londo at this moment were Gwyndolin and the mother of Yorshka (the firstborn already left long before that and Gwynevere was also gone at this moment). I mean, we can not expect the pregnancy of a fictional race in a videogame to last exactly as long as a human pregnancy so it would be a possibility. This would also explain the fact of Yorshka being named by Gwyndolin, either because her mother was unable to name her (maybe she died giving birth or she abandoned the child) or the old "gods" of Lordran had the custom of the male successor of the family deciding on the name (which would make sense because Dark Souls is pretty much centered around the medieval thematic). Another theory I'd find plausible in this context would be that Gwyndolin and Yorshka only share the same mother, which would also explain why Yorshka was born after Gwyn became cinder. Maybe the next DLC will bring some news about Gwyns family, because we have next to no clues about his wife yet, have we?
ya know sunlight blades wording makes it sound like gwyn was already dead when his son lost his status as a deity. which begs the question of whether its poor wording or if that's intentional. even better question is if gwyn was gone by that time then who stripped his son of his status?
maybe linking the fire is Gwyn's second plan the first plan is to give his people the abilities of dragons so they can live beyond the age of fire. we know that seath was searching for away to be immortal without scales maybe Gwyn asked him to find away for his race to obtain immortality. I dont believe yorshka is Gwyn's biological daughter but she is his daughter since he gave her life maybe Gwendoline is a failed experiment?that will explain his legs and how he is not hollow like the nameless king(he is immortal like a dragon) and thats why Gwyn is hidden him so people don't see him a traitor.The nameless king didnt like gow Gwyn was ashamed of his son(Gwendoline) so he told the people about his brother, Gwyn felt "betrayed" by his son so he exiled him. after having a dragon bother, the nameless king started to see dragons differently that he became a friend with one of them
I like the theory that Gwyndolin and Yorshka (=Priscilla) are not true children of Gwyn but are passed off as his children, forcing him to begrudgingly kinda accept them but feeling something is off to a point where he doesn't really recognize them as true heirs. In that theory his wife (Velka) had Yorshka and possibly also Gwyndolin with Seath. It certainly does explain why Yorshka is hidden and Gwyndolin is shunned and why while his first two children have powers of fire and lightning, these two are associated with the Dark Moon. A betrayal of this sort would also fit with DS' tendency to have the mighty, noble king and his twisted, secretly antagonistic wife (major, major theme in DS2). Although - ironically - these two (along with the even more mysterious Filianore) are the children that will uphold Gwyn's wishes the most, Gwyndolin inheriting his rule, Yorshka leading the Darkmoon Blades in a quest to protect those that link the flame as "such is father's will" while both the firstborne and Gwynevere leave Gwyn's side. Gwynevere to marry another Godking, the nameless to go over to his father's enemies. It's interesting though that the first three children are (presumably in the case of the firstborne) named after Gwyn with Yorshka breaking that tradition - Filianore too doesn't inherit Gwyns name but we know very little about her I guess...
it could be that both yorshka and gwyndolin were experimental children created as a possible solution to the undead. yorshka is a crossbreed of Dragon and God. gwyndolin is seen having serpant-like things coming out of his gown. it's possible he is a cross breed as well but with the primordial serpants instead.
Have anyone noticed that Yorshka resembles the dragon like Golluns at irithyll dungeon? she even has the same "asthmatic" sound when breathing. Holy damn!! i just noticed two things, the dancer has a blackish face (like Yhorm, inside the hole of his helm), Aldrich/Gwyndolin's crown or just it spikes are backwards, compared to DS1, and the shape of this twisted crown resembles Aldrich's skull. :O
I think that yorshka is the daughter of fillianore and oceiros which is why she is a lesser crossbreed than Pricilla and doesn't have the large stature Pricilla inherited from gwynevere or the more prominent features that Pricilla has but before growing up fillianore was given to the Pygmy's along with the ringed city and yorshka was taken in by Gwyndolin before he took the place of last daughter fillianore to hide gwynns deal with the pygmys and keep yorshka hidden from the world for her safety but also from Gwynn to keep from being put in the painting
I like the theory that Yorshka is the offspring of Gwyn and Priscilla (a mistress he kept hidden away from the world). That Yorshka was taken from her mother at birth and was stashed away by Gwyn to retain his image as a dragon slayer deity who wouldnt bed with a, supposedly, mix breed like Priscilla. I also believe that the first born son is the Nameless King and i like to think he perhaps went against his father's wishes to learn more about the dragons as a way to understand the cycle that seems to repeat itself over and over. Maybe the myths of the age of ancients made him ponder the natural order of the DS universe and maybe consider the inevitably of the age of darkness or even yet another fog covered age of ancients. Maybe in his mind sharing power with the dragons or even dominating them to become dragon riders was his way to retain some of the deistic powers bestowed upon his kin because of the lord souls. I believe he shared his father's fears of mankind bringing the age of darkness, so the only other option left would be to guide the cycle to reform the age of ancients with the gods of the last age ruling over the new form of dragons. Gwyn takes exception with the thought of reviving the species that he views as his greatest enemy, especially the idea of sharing power with them. His son may have tried to convince him of this course of action, explaining his theories on the constant cycle of ages. This led to Gwyn's actions of stripping his oldest son of all status and even his name, but maybe the seed of doubt had been planted about the age of fire ending. a doubt that would eventually lead to his desperate attempt to rekindle the fire using his own soul
Great vid; but if it's in a more familiar tone wouldn't that imply it's of "family" relation but not say direct family? Out of every half breed we meet these three females born from dragon and Gwyns line; so would that mean Pricilla and Aria have some connection maybe an older descendant in the case of Aria be hidden because Gwyn didn't approve of them?
Amazing, thanks for the Info. I strongly believe now that she is the daughter of Priscilla and Gdwolin. I first thought that Gdwolin actually transform or transfer himself into Yorshka as he was been devour. Aldrich devour Priscilla and Gdolin and so had their powers (and Nito) and like some animals/creatures they digest their pray for a long time, so while digesting they fall a sleep and dream. Hence Gdolin thoughts and memories come thru like you mentioned in the video. I believe he had help from Rosaria to transform or become Yorshka or simple by the use of his own powers, Funny enough we find the Ring that allows for Female and Male Role exchange in Gdolin tomb. So this provides some proof that Gdolin transfer himself into Yorshka and that is how Aldrich dream of a pale girl. But he ate Pricilla before that. So going back to my first point. Aldrich was used by Pontiff. He consumed Pricilla, giving Pontif the power to use the Pcythe of Priscilla to hurt Gdolin and then fed him to Aldrich so he consumes his powers. And pontiff can mimic them. BUT since Priscilla and Gdolin had a daughter (Yorshka), Aldrich found out about it while consuming Gdolin. Then Pontiff already imprisoned her. However I find the illusions to get to her are very much related to Seath magic or dragon magic and I feel she is hiding herself but refers to this as imprisonment. Another proof I would like to mention is the identical lips and mouth that Yorshka has as compared to Gdolin. But I am leading towards Gdolin transferring himself to be Yorshka. 1- She laughs when saying that my brother would be glad to meet me, as knowing She is Gdolin and 2. She is so similar to him in many ways, skinny arms, mouth and lips, white skin and forgetting everything he knows due to the transfer 3. He maintains the church and the following, only a deity or Saint can do.
two questions. 1- If we take your theory as truth, then in DS 1 when its said "Gwyndolin, last born of Gwin", doesn't it means that Yorshka should be older than Gwyndolin? but she is always says "my older brother" when she talk about Gwyndolin. What if Gwyn is not the father and they are siblings by mother? 2- I was wondering if some item description describes Gwyn as a God. I just remember him being described as "Lord of Sunlight". And Yorshka refer to him with "Father and the Gods". Is she making a diference between them? I really like your channel dude :D nice job.
There is no basis to assume as you did that Gwyn hated dragons, he fought a war with them simply because they were there. They owned the place and were in the way of his kingdom and age of fire, it is very much possible to have an enemy that you respect or even admire.
hey jake, i wonder if there is any connection between yorshka and Priscilla other than similar textures and i know how you feel about coincidence... mayhaps Gwyn in his final days sought out Priscilla in the painted world... another common theory is that yorshka is Priscilla if/when she comes out of the painting in a weird pocket dimension that doesn't follow rules of time. the peculiar doll talks about the young girl going into the painting. maybe she aged inside the world but when she came out she was a kid again (chronicals of narnia style). just a few thoughts. personally i wish they did more with both their stories
Yorshka is the Gwendolyn and Pricila´s dougther, that is the reason Gwendolyn gives her the name and that is the reason why aldrich says Priscilla Before he died
I Just Had an Idea! So I mentioned in another vid that the creation story of DS mirrors the Shinto Creation story. so if Gwyndolin is Yorshka's ELDER Brother, who comes after her? cut to how the Witch of Izalith "died" trying to restart the First Flame. but she also had a Son who was Burning from birth. if Ceaseless Discharge is the last born of Gwyn and the Witch, and with the bad habit of gods in most mythologies to lay around, He could be Yorshka's little brother.
The Ashen Hollow, Stop at 07:29, first time I notice but, you can see the Dancer skull face. And.. Do we know if Seath the Scaleless one is actually a male dragon?
Remember this game was made in Japan not an English speaking nation Japaneses is a much more vague language and translations errors are not uncommon the best example is in ds2 were the Pursuer boss is phrases as a singular individual in the translation but 2 appear in NG+ due to the original text not specifying singular/plural due to you know not being originally written in English So last born of gwyn back in dark souls 1 could have been a translation error due to the lore writers and translators not being the same people
I think Yorshka was actually the Firstborn's child and was 'adopted' and hidden by Gwyn when his eldest son was exiled. However I find your idea that Yorshka was hidden in a painted world very compelling since we know it harbors other halfbreeds and Yorshka and the girl who will paint with 'the Dark Soul of Man' seem oddly similar, don't they?
Really like the theory of Yorshka being the forth child, which seems likely based on their speech. My only concern here is actually the localisation/translation to english from japanese, there could very well be some liberties taken in this regard..... I do howver think that Gvyn might have coerced with dragons way before than we think. Likely before the birth of Gvyndolin, which could explain way Yorshka and Gwyndolin share resemblance, since both could be of dragon lineage, hence why none of them are depicted as statues. Likely Gvyn tried to empower the family with the power of dragons, but it seems to have backfired and created children weak in body instead of the opposite. Just my initial thoughts since I don't have anything to back it up with.
Rather being Gwin's daughter, Yorshka may actually be Gwindolin secret child simply because he gives her her name. Gwin has 2 daughter (Gwinevere and Filianor) both has some kind of position as god (Lodric's prince blood line and Ring city eternal existence) while Yorshka seem to appear much later after Gwin death and recently named by Gwindolin. More over she has strong resemblance with Priscilla, so it's obvious she is Priscilla daughter. To conclude, either she is Gwindolin and Priscilla daughter or being adopted into family for some unknown reason (nameless king's daughter, Seath's daughter).
Wow, great find on how they changed the wording on Gwynevere and Gwyndolin, this definitely does prove Yorshka is a child of Gwyn. Gwyn was quite the hypocrite. Who do you think Priscilla's parents were? Also who were the painter girl's parents?
Thanks! Priscilla's parents? That's actually a theory I'm working on. I'll give you a hint, but without the context of my research it will probably sound a little crazy. But I think Kaathe had something to do with her, and I am willing to bet her mother is Ariamis! Stay tuned though, it's a work in progress, haha!
