@@AA-fn9xz Hayden always got Vader's cadence right though, it was just the tone of the voice that didn't match. I mean, not everyone can be James Earl Jones haha
Finally, we get a true union of the two great actors needed to bring us cinema's greatest villain! Had they been able to mix in a little bit of David Prowse, the homage would have been complete, but this is definitely sufficient & honorable. RIP David Prowse, and thank you Hayden Christensen & James Earl Jones.
I'm personally of the opinion that the conflict within Anakin manifests itself in the duality of Anakin and Vader. Similar to the scene in Rebels when he's talking to Asoka, In that moment, I think it was Anakin speaking more than Vader. In his own way, Anakin was telling Obi-Wan that this wasn't his fault, and that he shouldn't feel sorry or guilty for him. Anakin wants to reassure Obi-Wan that his choices were his own and it wasn't Obi-Wan's fault he turned out this way. OTOH, Vader is also speaking, telling Obi-Wan he doesn't want his pity. This duality, and how it eventually influences Obi-Wan's world view, is one of my fav things about this show.
Obiwan: "then my friend is truly dead" That's the same thing luke told him "then my father is truly dead" After which vader pauses in contemplation thinking back to the words obiwan told him. Just before Vader said to luke "obiwan once thought as you do" That's so crazy!!!
@@kevinphoenix2007 Agreed, it’s the only issue I take from this. Kenobi should have said “it’s not too late to change Anakin” which would tie in with “it is too late for me, son.”
In episode three, Vader tells Obi Wan: "I am what you made me" He takes no responsibility for his own downfall, and is still so angry and vengeful, dragging him through the flames. Now, when Obi Wan apologises, Anakin absolves him. It isn't ego or arrogance - it is "I made my choices, I will live with them, and don't try to save me".
When he says: “I’m what remains” you can really feel Anakin’s deep sorrow and regret. I don’t know, it is as if he’s truly sorry for what he has become… It’s also pretty unbelievable remembering young Anakin and Obi Wan meeting for the first time in episode I, and eventually getting to this point.
I think you're right. I think somewhere in one of the newer comics series it touches on Vader's regret of his choices. Hayden himself said that there was a good amount of conflict in the character he tried to portray, and I think he's referencing this scene specifically. Not to forget the attention to detail of lighting. Even when you see it, there's essentially no blue on Vader's helmet, mostly just the mix on his face. A bit of the good that's suppressed within.
It's a bit more than that, yes Vader is truly remorseful that he's become what he's become. He's fought his whole life to stop the people he's become. At the same time Vader telling Obi-Wan that he isn't his failure, that he didn't kill Anakin that from the moment he killed those younglings he killed the man he was. In short Vader is telling Obi-Wan that stop feeling sorry for who I am and what happened to me you're only doing what we've been doing all this time, it was me who failed. Be free of YOUR guilt. You tried to guide me to the right path but I let myself go this way. I killed the man I once was and I have to live knowing this fact.
I love how the background environment is really reflective of the emotions between them. In their first duel on Mustafar, the background is fiery and explosive, showing the raw anger and hurt between the two recently close friends. Here their duel takes place, on a barren dark and desolate planet, where there is no life, reflecting their long dead friendship. There is only sadness, regret and hatred. In their final duel on the death star, the background is polished and metallic. They've long moved on from their emotions toward each other, they simple see each other as enemies to be dispatched with in a cold and professional manner.
I like the way you think! Also, the fact that this planet is very rocky could symbolize stubbornness (as the Earth element does) - the way Anakin has been stubbornly "stuck" as Vader for a decade now, and will remain so for over a decade more.
Such a wonderfully artistic and intelligently executed critique my friend. You definitely hit every detail on the head. It's so beautiful how this tragedy was constructed and brought to the audience. Bravo! You need to work for Lucasfilm btw.
Like your interpretation but honestly it just feels like they were working with the best the volume could produce during early covid, personally to take your interpretation further and to make it more visually interesting it should have been filmed in a swampy forest at night, where the environment is teaming with life but its decayed and stagnate, representing the death of beauty but the possibility bubbling beneath, also it would have been visually interesting and extremely unique for Star Wars
This is the saddest and most powerful Star Wars scene to date. You can really feel the emotion between the two characters. At one point it almost makes you feel sorry for Anakin/Vader. The music and cinematography was so well executed in this scene.
I honestly didn't really feel much of that when I first watched the episode which is why I decided to make this edit. When I finished it i've probably watched this well over 15 times and had the feels hit me almost every time lol.
Hi there!! I agree with every word... But would also add the fact that this is the first time I see Vader/Anakin and feel fear of what was behind the mask... I respect Vader now...
I think that the screenwriters made a mistake here. I love the action and drama in this scene; but Vader should have handed Obi Wan a second defeat since Vader should be nearly unbeatable by this point--and thus, it would definitely be now left up to Obi Wan and/or Yoda to train Luke and/or Leia to defeat him.
man, hearing the james earl jones and hayden at the same time during that last scream it nuts. it reminds you that yeah, it’s still just angsty anakin under there, being angry all the time
Right on all counts but angsty isn't appropriate. It's such an immense depth of despair. The loss of his mother fractured his mind. Anakin retreated and what becomes Vader takes over to ensure that he can never be hurt again. Though, Vader was lying when he said he killed Anakin. He was trying to break Kenobi's heart even more because the apology was hurting Anakin. This part is just speculation. I think it's accurate, given Anakin's return to control just before he died on the Death Star and him saying, *_"tell your sister you were right."_* Anakin killed the Ro2 Sith in a single moment; finally restoring balance.
There’s so much great subtext and cinematography in this scene. Vader saying “I am not your failure” says he’s accepted his actions, even if he is a. A casualty manipulation. And it hints to me of not wanting Obi-wan’s pity. Vader already hates himself for his actions and having kenobi’s pity makes all that pain come back, not to mention feel like one more insult from the Jedi Order. All this is happening with the blue sheen of a lightsaber to symbolize that last bit of Anakin left in Vader, much like when he met Ahsoka again, shortly before the Vader side of him takes back over and the sheen turns red. *chefs kiss*
ACTING The moment Obi Wan sees his friend he relaxes his position, leaving his defensive side position to be face to face and gives a very little smile, showing his hope to get him back, he even takes a little step towards him. Then he stands still with wet eyes, channeling his emotions into an apology. The moment he realizes his friend is truly gone he steps backs and takes some seconds to accept the truth. He goes from feeling hopeness, to sadness to realization and aceptance.
The only people who can hurt Vader enough to make Anakin comeback are the ones he cares for the most for. Even when Vader is in control, there is still a flicker of Anakin in those fights that hold Vader back just enough to not be able to kill them.
"Anakin's gone" When he said that I burst into tears sobbing. Guess I have a lot of stored up sadness left over from the prequel days because it was just all waterworks for me. Like 😳 WHOA Thank you for editing it all together
When I first saw the scene, just a little part of me was thinking “maybe Obi-Wan will get through to Anakin enough to make him turn to the light again”, but then I remember it doesn’t happen until he saves his son.
Anakin wheezing, groaning in pain, struggling to breathe, had me in tears. Despite how evil he had become, I still can't help but feel sorry for him. Yes, I said Anakin.
Ashoka took the right side of his helmet and Obi-Wan took his left side but only Luke took Anakin's full mask off. Also notice how the first word that both Obi-Wan and Ahsoka said after they broke Vader's mask and saw his face was "Anakin".
No... Ashoka sliced the right side of Vader's mask. Obi-wan sliced the left side of Vader's mask. Go back and watch that episode of Rebels again. No cap.
The crazy thing is there are platforms like geeks and gamers saying that this series was copied from rebels. All I see is the writers adding more layers to the series overall. I must have watched the dialogue in the end more than the actual duel. Masterfully doing. The audience can literally feel the emotion and hatred from these two actors.
@@jb-dn5fy Obi-wan didn't have a lot of hate towards his former apprentice. It was more of Anakin having all that hate for Obi-wan because Obi-wan and the Jedi counsel ignored Anakin's needs
@@katrinaleightilley8741 it's more of a mockery of their last fight on mustafar where he sneaked along with padme to fight him, he's trying to get into his head before this fight
Did anyone else notice a Anakins eyes change from when he says I’m not your failure obi one up to the point where he says you did not kill anakin skywalker I did them they changes back to the sith colours. It’s like anakin was talking to him one last time or at least trying to fight it
There is a huge conflict in Darth Vader as his more human element implicitly comforts his old master and at the same time admits his Darth Vader persona was always within him even when he was still a Padawan learner
Love how Anakin was trying to give him some semblance of peace by saying “I am not your failure….you didn’t kill Anakin, I did.” It’s like he still had respect for his old master to say that
Agreed, in my head the blue light on his face when hes saying that symbolizes it is Anakin saying that and not Vader. Then the light turns red when Vader takes back over and says "I killed him"
This scene leaves me absolutely speechless. Losing a beloved friend to death is horrible, but losing a beloved friend to this, which words cannot describe, is unfathomably heart breaking.
I caught that too! But I interpreted it as Darth thinking "wow, this old man is a lot stronger than last time, I'm gonna get my ass kicked" as he nervously adjusts his grip
Seemed like a lot of guilt was lifted when Vader said, “ I’m not your failure .” Not sure why he said that. Was it a brief moment of compassion for Obi Wan or did it benefit him? Either way it was closure for both.
"I'm not your failure" for me has two meanings. The first one is that Anakin does not want/like to be belittled by Obi-wan. He's trying to say "treat me as an equal, I've made my own choices, this is my path whether you like it or not, I am not a less of version of myself, this is me". And likewise the other meaning is "Don't take it personal Obi Wan. I've become what I am not beacause of your inaction/ actions but because this was my decision. Darth Vader is not a by-product of our relationship. Don't blame yourself for what it happened. I am a man and I take full responsability of my actions. And, more importantly, I show no regrets of my past actions."
That was the small part of anakin that remains before fully embracing the dark side and vader the subtle touches with the lighting going from blue to red showed how conflicted he was
It's a good topic to talk about. During their first fight, Vader says 'I am what you made me', fully blaming Obi-Wan and his defeat at Mustafar for the monster he has become. Here, he seems conflicted; it seems he acknowledges that deep in him, he was always a monster, and he's not trying to play with the guilt Obi-Wan feels.
Really to me? Imo it's Vader simply confirming and correcting Obi Wan when Obi addressed him as Anikan, that he's not the Padawan that Obi trained any longer...far from it.
Watching previous movies and reading the Star Wars and Darth Vader comics, seeing Vader vulnerable and the breathing he makes when he’s battered makes Vader look like an apprentice, which is appropriate in this sense since in ANH, Vader said something along like, “When I left you I was but a student, now I am the master!”
@@Rockhound6165 Reach The West (Darth Vader): "When I left you, I'm just a student, now is the master!" Old Ben/ The Ratio Tile (Obi Wan): " Evil, Darth Masters" Reach The West (Darth Vader): "Weak strength of the elderly" Old Ben/ The Ratio Tile (Obi Wan): "You cannot beat a dozen, if you attack me, I must be more powerful than you can imagine" ------Star War The Fourth Gathers: A Novelty Desires (Star Wars Episode 4: A New Hope)
Around 1:50 when they're clinched back to back, it's a really awesome, momentary, sad callback to their sparring session from a few episodes earlier. (Sad "you were my brother" noises).
I'm not sure how many people read the Darth Vader comics over the last several years, but you see visually how much of a menace Vader was in the universe. Where everyone cowers and is intimidated by Vader, Obi Wan beats him, leaves him and has turned his back on him twice in victory. It's awesome!
When you see vader vs Reva, and then watch this you really understand that: Vader and Obi-Wan are in a complete different tier than the inquisitors and most other force users in general.
The ending of this fight had me sobbing when I first watched it. The series might have had its flaws, but my GOD, it was so worth it just to see this rematch.
Awesome quality of video! This is one of my favorite duels now, not cause it's new, but because the quality and emotion in it is amazing. The dialogue between them is heartbreaking if you've watched all the movies and shows beforehand.
The landscape and sky are perfect for this and yes, this is up there with ROTS IMO. Obi Wan did fail Anakin, the Council failed him by putting him at Palpatine's side when he wasn't equipped to handle it. They were distracted while he was on his downward spiral and he has reason to be pissed. Palpatine was the only person who offered to "help" deal with Anakin's fear of losing Padme so this makes perfect sense. The dialogue and performances were as good as it gets, I enjoyed the series from the start and to all the haters out there, I hope this pulled the series out of the fire. It's difficult to tell this story within the constraints of what we know will happen in the future, I believe they did a good job with this.
what gets me the most is when Vader says "You didnt kill Anakin Skywalker, I did" just shows that Obi wan didnt kill him it was the evil that took over Anakin and turned him into Vader giving Obi wan that relief where he doesnt blame himself for turning his apprentice evil Love the whole thing between these two Miss them
I've watched this like 30 times and it keeps giving me chills...the mixed voices of Hayden Christensen and James Earl Jones and the way he says that Anakin no longer exists..it's heartbreaking but at the same time so exciting because it all starts fit in..that dialogue between Obi Wan and Luke in "a new hope" it all makes sense...and Hayden's performance was absolutely brilliant!!! I can imagine another actor as Anakin Skywalker, love him!!!
After Obi-wan damages Vader's breathing apparatus, note how they used the same labored wheezing breathing sound when Luke injured him in the throne room of ROTJ. They completely nailed the details and made a tremendously emotional scene.
And they nailed the fact that Vader could use the force to keep his suit somewhat working and that at the same time it exposed him to force back attacks as shown by Kenobi throwing a rock at him and then force pushing him away. And the sluggish movement from him after the force push as he was struggling to keep the suit working.
Obi-Wan was immense in this duel. My favourite part is probably when he grabs Vader’s left arm then starts smashing his control panel with his lightsaber hilt, then uses the Force to pelt him with another rock!
Anakin was all that remained. He was Darth Vader in Name only constantly doing the darkest most vile things out of self loathing, self hated & loneliness...
Hayden Christensen truly deserves an absolute honor and his own show within the SW universe. He is doing an amazing and incredible job. His acting is brilliant and sharp from episode to episode and has huge potential. That's definitely his nature-born role.
I'm not a Star Wars fan, I just like Darth Vader, his history and the characters that made him a sith, and Obi Wan is one of them. Honestly, this scene from the past is amazing. In my opinion, this is a real fight between a Jedi and Sith..
@@SirMagLugo in the canon before Disney. Kenobi and vader didn't meet until episode 4. Kenobi never became a coward. He stayed on tattooine to watch over Luke. Kenobi only got stronger in the force but never able to over power vader. To many issues
@@YAHWEH-SAVES777 The entire point of this series is to see how Obi-wan knew Anakin was Vader. Just because he became a coward doesn’t mean it’s not canon any Jedi Master can become a coward if pushed hard enough. And if they never met before ep 4 how did Obi-wan know Vader? Explain that?
@@quavers4834 in legends he sees in a bar on tatooine imperial propaganda about Vader's exploits in kashik after killing a group of jedi just weeks after Mustafar, he goes through a panic attack and Qui gon has to assure him that Vader would never go back to Anakin's home planet because of the pain that it would bring him, which is why Luke was safe until ANH
I love how this fight now makes the one in A New Hope makes sense with regards to all the new things we've seen of Vader. Yes I know the lightsaber concept was different back then but now they've tied it up nicely by making it make sense why Vader would want to keep his distance from obi wan in episode 4.
Besides the emotional scene is stunning, the OBI WAN move of behind the back switching to left hand light saber handling is also truly amazing, that's really skillful Ewan.
What a powerful scene. An awesome exchange between Anakin Skywalker/Darth Vader & Obi-Wan. Old feelings coming back. Obi-Wan finally apologizes for the past. I love the foreshadowing. The acting was beyond amazing. Obi-Wan seriously leveled up & Vader’s new Force abilities was the cherry on top.
Gotta love how at 8:13 after Kenobi’s apology, the color of the lightsabers reflecting on Vader’s face changes from red to blue. As if Anakin has returned briefly, before fully changing back to Vader again when the lightsaber color changes back to red
I think it’s interesting that they can never quite bring themselves to kill one another…going back to Revenge of the Sith: Obi-Wan leaves Anakin next to the lava; Vader lets Kenobi go in their first confrontation in this series when he clearly has the upper hand; Obi-wan leaves Vader at the end. In ANH, that changes because Vader is a complete Sith and kills Kenobi, but Kenobi let’s him. Interesting
Yea I feel like if it was anybody else Vader would of killed him this round, just doesn’t seem as sharp and Obi-Wan spares him again as well… indeed interesting 🤔
Love how he has lost the love of his life, had his limbs chopped off from his mentor and big brother figure, who then left him to burn alive while hiding his children from him. Then they wonder why he is so pissed off. Someone should do a “why Vader is the good guy video”
@@kwasijenkins5253there's also the fact that they were absolutely convinced Anakin died on Mustafar, so there's no way they were hiding the damn kids from Anakin in particular
When he screams kenobi's name it hit me hard because I heard a young anakin inside that suit and I realized who he really is or was this duel is now one of my top 5
“A young Jedi named Darth Vader, who was a pupil of mine until he turned to evil, helped the Empire hunt down and destroy the Jedi Knights. _He betrayed and murdered your father.”_
When Vader said “ You didn’t kill anakin skywalker”. The part where he said “I did” should have been Vaders voice. That would have been a nice touch. But still a great scene🔥🔥🔥🔥
That thought occurred to me as well - I wonder how much this was debated among the writers/directors, and why they opted for Anakin's voice? Still, it works very well. The whole scene does.
God, this episode really felt like Star Wars, it felt like the 80's movies, especially with the talk between Vader and Obi-Wan (well, here it took me to the prequels) and when they showed Vader talking to Palpatine. I was excited the whole episode. And I loved Reva's mercy and seeing Luke.
Its the smirk when vader said "you didn't kill anakin skywalker" that did me in... He was LOVING every single minute of any kind of mental torture he could give his old master. Anakin did surface just for a moment when obi-wan apologized, but once he knew he had him... He went in on his feelings
I have a bit of a theory on this ending. Vader knew that, in his injured state, he wouldn't be able to beat Obi-Wan. He wanted Obi-Wan to kill him, to end his suffering. Vader's greatest suffering is having to live in a world where Obi-Wan defeats him but chooses to let him to continue being what he has become. He would rather live on with no memories of the past, or not live at all.
A small touch to tie into ANH when Obi-Wan calls Vader, "Darth." After watching the series, another meaning has come up for "I was but the learner, now I am the master." When they clashed here, Vader was still learning how to be a Sith. By ANH, he had completed his transformation and was ready to overthrow the Emperor, but his son had other ideas instead.
Here is a sad fact about this fight: The last scene is a parallele of the 15th episode of the 4th season of The Clone Wars. In this scene he screamed Obiwan because he wants to destroy him (or wanting Obiwan to end his suffer knowing that he lost everything). In TCW Anakin screamed Obiwan as he lost someone important to him. The camera angle is also not discussed enough. The camera angle above in both shows shows what Anakin has before and what he has after. In TCW we can see Anakin Ahsoka and Obiwan together which symbolized that Anakin has still people important to him. The light represent that he is still good. The last scene of Obiwan only shows Darth Vader which symbolized that Anakin lost his last true friend and everything that is dear to him which can be represented in one word: Loneliness. There is also no light above him anymore. The only light source we see here is from his lightsaber (I know there is a little bit of light around but bear with it for now) which is a weapon. Unlike the TCW the light comes from a weapon which represents how he felt about those who are dear to him right now: RAGE.
He actually did him - and the galaxy - a disservice. He shoud have put him out of his misery and ended it right there - as Anakin was basically pleading for him to do by screaming out his name! Had he done so, countless lives would have been saved although no other apprentice would have utimately killed Palpatine.
Not what I got at all .. he walked away from Darth Vader. He even says Anakin is dead. For Obi Wan to fight now would only serve to feed the ego of Vader. It was practically an insult, to say to Vader "Well OK then. So you killed my friend. F this. You, VADER, are not worth my time..." Dude practically insulted Vader/AnAkIn...
I wish they played the song from revenge of the sith when they fought again. To add more ambiance to the scene lol. It would’ve been so epic to hear it again!
I really wish we could have seen the Grand Inquisitor’s reaction when Vader came back on the ship with half his helmet missing after telling him to leave him alone.. probably had a look like “well I told you so” hahaha
