You should tape your cat 6 in both places on your fisher . Just incase you have to pull it back up the wall with the cable on it then it won't get stuck . .
Angle drill to cavity (if there is one) and rod up to the loft. Can take a few attempts to get a rod all the way up but at least the damage from failed attempts is minimal. If in a gable wall remove brick and re-bed in afterwards. The Pat box can be carefully cut in after the rods are in place. Network switch in the attic and you’re away. Best to practice on your own property or a test property a few times. Also works from the outside with steep angle up the mortar line. Probably an argument that it violates some reg somewhere but real world sparking and common sense has to prevail sometimes
I can't believe that people don't move their stuff for you. If I have contractors around, I help them as much as I can to make the job as easy as possible, we are all human 😂.
Guy i,m the same as you I had a carpet fitter in and I cleared the room and he was like wow thanks for clearing the room and he told me the young people are the worst they hand him the keys and go to work
Same here Guy, but I am also an Electrician, so I know the other side of the coin. People don't move their stuff and then complain because the job takes longer.
Oh! You guys REALLY made my day :-) ! Running a Co-ax cable from the loft to the living room. Dots and Dabs all over the place, NO straight drop down, and doing it single handed you can't watch the hole downstairs as well as feed the fish wire from the floor above. The air was blue a lot of the time. Couldn't cut access holes as the wallpaper was old and out of print. NOT redecorating a large L-shaped living room for 1 hole. Did it in the end, but most of the day to run ONE cable. Makes me feel a WHOLE lot better that the Pros have the same problem!
I feel like you guys need to watch some networking videos on youtube or speak to a network engineer to understand how network lines and switches are supposed to be used, as I believe this job would have been a lot easier if you guys had the appropriate networking knowledge. All individual network points need to go to a router to have internet access. For the most part you would have all lines terminate into a patch panel, from there they would be connected to a switch which would further have an upllink to a router. For this job you could have all individual ports go up into the loft and into a patch panel or switch, then a single line down to where the router is located. However it depends on what the client wants and the performance that they would want to get out of their network. If you're not aware I hope you're using shielded cat6 as when ran parallel to mains cables there can be some interference caused. Love your videos, no criticism intended just some advice.
You're fine at wiring but who on earth thought this network topology was a good idea!? You're drilling holes already, might as well just do it properly and actually have separate runs instead of daisy chaining switches for days.
@@Igor-oe5fm It's a poor choice (I assume from the client) to put a second switch in the music studio and route back into the plate though. Just asking for trouble down the line when you have two identical looking ports on a wall wired up for different purposes. Would have made much more sense to put a patch panel in somewhere (maybe the loft?) so it can be clearly labelled up for the next person.
I’d recommend getting a floor to ceiling pole to attach your laser to if it’s magnetic. Honestly such a nifty piece of equipment that saves so much time setting up also just use electrical tape to attach the holesaw to the bit it would save losing it in future! Learnt this from using sub-par 1/4 inch drives for a long time! Hope this helps
Ideally those Cat6 "permanent links" should be certification tested or at least qualification tested. Termination quality is as important as cable quality, especially for Cat6 and above. Also, as others have commented, Ethernet cables can carry PoE so the assertion that it's "just data" is simply incorrect. Indeed, if the client is into media production, many of the network devices in those applications require PoE.
Mixed thoughts about non-trained networking people. Ok - it's not life threatening like gas or electric .... but customer still pays good money to have it work. Sharp bends can reduce data rates (see Krone website for details). Also cables needed continuity and data load testing (burst and thru-put) with an appropriate tester. But the skillset of cable running is pretty much the same. Defo need a star layout rather than any daisy chaining --- will have dramatic effect on speeds. Also fit conduit in tight spaces ready for future fibre installation. Finally needs to provide detailed documentation of cable IDs to customer (akin to labeling a consumer unit). Keep up the good work and great films!
Can't get over how lazy some people are at not moving belonging's for people coming in to the home to do some quality work for them. i had all the radiators changed in my home and i moved everything for the contractors as i'm good like that. Also what a day you must have had with all those metal stud wall's, What a mare. i hated doing domestic work like this because of how cautious you have to be on not to damage anything. good job guys.
Always love it when Sparky's moan about other trades messing up electrics when they arent trained but it's ok for Sparky's to do networking when they aren't trained to do it and always make beginner mistakes 🤷♂️
I agree with the sentiment, but the subtle difference is that when you mess up electrics it can actually be dangerous. Here it looks like the customer has designed the network and simply asked Artisan to install it.
There it is, a creative way of turning a otherwise normal job into something so enjoyable. Love the voice over, John some days are like these. One day I broke 2, yes 2 flat screwdrivers blades. Broke my old Wera and I always have a second one on the bag just in case. Changed for the new one and later that day broke the second one. No using it as pry bars or chisel with a hammer, just unscrewing some stubborn (and very stuck) screws. At least Wera replaced the new one since it was not supposed to happen that in a new screwdriver... Some days we should just stay at home under the blankets...
Normally love your content. Why is it when electricians running data cables they always look like fish out of water? If you're running CAT6a cables should always use foil shielded to cut out electrical interferance, for runs of 30m or less you can get 10Gb data rates. Like others have said, avoid daisy chaining switches, just run a cable from the router/switch to every point you need if possible. Finally, if you're going to run data I'd have thought you'd use high end modules and face plates, they make the install look so much better, try metal Krone connectors (from Excel) as these don't break over time. Still love your other content though 🙂
Wow guys I really felt for you on this one. Your grit and determination shone through like a million candle Night Sun. I would say that, although the apprentice doesn't have the responsibility, Reuben is a calming guy and really showed what a great asset he is on this nightmare job. Great video. Chris, Northampton.
Maybe make a pilot hole to feel what`s behind the plasterboard instead of going Gung-Ho with the hole cutter and creating a Swiss cheese art work to compliment the acoustic panels.
That foam's for sound-deadening, specifically echo-reduction. Lots of hard surfaces in a room leads to little echoes all over, and while you won't hear the echoes on their own it makes the sound harsher and buzzier than it should be. A surprisingly small amount of open-cell foam in the right place will deaden the echo, leaving just the original sound.
Wouldn't external cat 6 have been an easier option? I can see why they wanted cable over WiFi with all that metal in the walls. Oh and that dab at the top of the wall is usually used as a fireblock , random dabs in places but usually a full run around the whole.perimeter of the board (although it's really ever done) glad to see you got there in the end . Yeah royyyyyy!
I put cat 6 across my house myself... well I'll caveat that, I had some electrical work done and asked the electricians to run the cables for me, but I did all the terminations and testing myself. I don't expect electricians to be data experts - but they're good at running cables neatly, safely and quickly. not everyone knows how to wire a patch panel properly either. There are standards for data cables, and it needs to be done properly, whilst it may not cause h&s issues, it has to be done properly, especially if you're paying electrician's rates.
Well, in the house we just bought, previously an open reach dude had stapled 4 cables over skirtings/architraves over 3 doorways and stairs before reaching 5 bt boxes and 2 wall warts. At least a sparky would attempt to hide cables 🤣
@@JGS123WRPTP I don't understand why they can be so bad, I guess it's cheapest fastest method. Once in a commercial property I worked in doing panel wiring, they went diagonally across ceiling with telephone cable because they were short of it 🤣
Wow, that's really interesting! I've always wondered on how data cabling is run with the differences between US and UK houses as US usually uses sheetrock for interior wall surfaces and the UK usually uses lath and plaster. Thank you for the perspective from across the pond! Although we're a world apart, there are many commonalities: - If you don't leave a tab on your tape/rod you're a bad person. - Attics are always faster. - Two story houses suck for running cables! If you have the opportunity, a borescope camera is a significant quality of life improvement as it can get to places in wall cavities where phones can't go (and you might be able to use it to retrieve your lost bit!)
I'm sorry, guys... As a data tech in Australia, l don't install electrical wires. Data wiring is so different to power wiring with strict separation rules for safety and to eliminate interference due to emf or induction. I suggest you employ a communications tech or pass the job on. Love you guys, but you are bringing tears to my eyes. I can't watch any more..
We had work completed in our house recently and I completely emptied ALL rooms for the tradesmen. Ye have yer job to complete, why should ye be furnish movers too - BAD form. I'm a infrastructure guy when it comes to cabling for data etc., as outlined to yer boss man before - feel free to hit me up - I'd happily help ye, for free. Ye do stellar work lads, MUCH respect.
Every Electrical Company has a John… We keep him around Where’s John ! He’s not done ! Than they ask for a raise. I always try to avoid Stairway walls, they have a lotta blocking.
Retrofitting new builds are always difficult. I would do it on a day rate. Call me old fashioned but a 16 MM. capping lid and a steel wire coat hanger would work better.
Local architect and building company designed a whole housing development to have conduit for ethernet and expansion built into houses to make upgrades, and let home owners customize after purchase. During home buyers inspections they discovered the third party builders went cheap and did none of the conduit. Said it was cost savings and the lawsuits started. No conduit or customization possible. It was a nice idea but the company that built them decided to cut corners in many ways. They are being sued by a bunch of angry home owners. The houses were also supposed to use special materials to get gov tax reduction. None of the work was done. They used standard materials and again stated it was cost saving. The materials and design required for tax reduction were not used. Looks like the third party construction company is going to fold and it is very common for them to cut corners, use cheap materials, and fail to meet requirements. Most of them do not get discovered until the buildings start falling apart. Sometimes half a decade later. Happened so frequently that local municipalities started doing detailed inspections throughout the build out of new buildings here.
I thought at one point they were doing this as a ring circuit (when they said they were running 2 cables down, one in 1 out) but then I noticed they installed 2 keystones at one of the points. I'm guessing all individual cables run back to a patch panel or switch?
Not the best advert for Artisan, your vids are normally great to watch but this one came across as 2 blokes who didnt have a clue what they were doing. Sorry guys, like I said I live your channel but just being honest with you.
Artisan electrics turning houses into swiss cheese.... Most customers would say "I just want a couple of network points, shouldn't take more than a couple of hours... I hate chasing in newer properties, anything with chipboard flooring I avoid like the plague..
"EM disruptions on data !" Not enough imbalanced current flowing in domestic power cables to induce any significant level of noise in a CAT6 data cable with differential connections at either end. Aus cabling rules, for data, are to protect the trade from DIY installers.
@@barrieshepherd7694 mate it’s in the rule book( I did the capstone and have been a cabler and in electronics…and worked with sparkies for 50 years, but I guess you DIYers know differently …..as/nzs3008 section 3.9 for reference…….it’s also for your safety!
You've obviously not met any gamers there's a ton of latency over Wi-Fi the difference between shooting and being shot. But running cable is a pain when non-standard building methods are employed or older houses. Or in my case in a 1910s theater...... Running 2 ethernet cables from projection room to stage for presentation laptop video and ethernet Internet. On the opposite side of the room I have to run 2 out for the same thing and then 4 to the stage. So then when guests come in they don't run their CAT5 ethernet snake for their Soundsystem smack dab down the walkway waiting to trap somebody.
Does the customer use the RJ11 phone sockets around the house? These new builds typically have the phone sockets connects using cat5. The house looked similar to mine, so there would have been a phone socket in the master bedroom and top floor bedroom.
@@elminster8149 i couldn't fathom what he was doing with them runs anyway, especially when he was going from one to another, looked like he was wiring it like that i.e wrong
I hope the audience learn not to hire electricians to run network cables. This is the least "artisan" work I've ever seen this channel produce and I'd rather run my own than have strangers butcher my home and not care about standards or best practice for Ethernet.
And yet again, leave data wiring to people that know how to do data wiring, electricians constantly complain about other trades doing electrical work yet you're just as bad.
