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Data dive: MPB, KEH, and then used camera gear market 

Matthew Raifman
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In this video, we look at the economics behind the used camera market including major resellers MPB, KEH, and eBay. What is the difference between what they will buy your gear for and what they sell it for? What does this say about the cost of scamming in the marketplace. I share some day that I've collected from my own experience selling used camera gear.

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16 окт 2024

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@evelynescalera3
@evelynescalera3 9 месяцев назад
Thank you for taking the time to research and share your insights. Most of the videos I came across were "influencers" who were being sponsored by KEH and MPB. It was refreshing to come across a video that is unbiased.
@MatthewRaifman
@MatthewRaifman 9 месяцев назад
Absolutely. That was my motivation too. Happy it was useful.
@tonyvargas18
@tonyvargas18 Месяц назад
Very helpful, I am also trying to selll my camera gear, and the amount of scams makes it really difficult. Thank you for this detailed video, it was informative and helpful.
@MatthewRaifman
@MatthewRaifman Месяц назад
@@tonyvargas18 I’m thrilled it was helpful. Transparency Is everything with this.
@DanSZiegler
@DanSZiegler Год назад
Thank you so much for creating this video! This is very helpful to me. I'm in a position where I have WAY too much gear - GAS - and just need to scale down. I've been trying to decide between the three main routes you discuss (KEH, MPB, & eBay). After watching your video and seeing this data, I think I'll just go with MPB. I work a demanding day job, and I just don't have the time to list each piece of gear individually, deal with potential buyers for each piece of gear, weed through the scams for each listing, etc. The same goes for FaceBoook Marketplace. After seeing these numbers, you helped me put a value on my time and the convenience factor. 🙂
@MatthewRaifman
@MatthewRaifman Год назад
Right on! So happy it was helpful. Thanks for the comment
@timjohnson8871
@timjohnson8871 Год назад
Thanks for sharing your experience and analysis.
@MatthewRaifman
@MatthewRaifman Год назад
Glad it was helpful!
@worldadventuretravel
@worldadventuretravel 5 месяцев назад
This is incredibly detailed, thank you! I've used MPB quite a bit. Every time I've searched Adorama, KEH, B & H, and often even eBay the prices are higher than MPB. But when selling, it's definitely beneficial to get a quote from every site and then compare. I've bought gear on eBay before but I won't do it if a) they don't have a return policy or b) it's not from a camera seller or individual that likely used the gear themselves. Pawn shops, people who buy storage units and then flip camera gear, etc. are not trustworthy and can't be counted on to properly test and vet the equipment. Overall however, It's stupid to buy new camera gear when there's such a robust secondhand gear market, especially for DSLR equipment. The latter is a particular advantage because of the recent obsession with mirrorless kit. If you want to lower your barrier to entry into photography and be able to buy an amazing camera system, an older DSLR and three or four amazing lenses (I love Sigma Art and Tokina Opera series lenses, and Samyang makes beautiful, fast glass if you're okay with manual focusing) for half of what you would have to pay just to get into an entry level mirrorless kit.
@MatthewRaifman
@MatthewRaifman 5 месяцев назад
Thank you for the comment and appreciate that you found the video useful!
@JackieDElia
@JackieDElia 10 месяцев назад
Excellent points. I have found sometimes what they are willing to pay depends on the level of inventory they currently have. If they are low in stock on a product in demand they do pay a little more vs an item they are overstocked on. I’ve sold a lot of things on eBay over the past 20 years. For the most part, it has been a very good experience selling and buying. I have noticed, though that lately eBay favors buyers. So if you’re a infrequent seller on eBay, your risk is higher.
@MatthewRaifman
@MatthewRaifman 9 месяцев назад
Interesting. That makes a lot of sense.
@davelindsay1
@davelindsay1 Год назад
Thanks for a great video, very good info. I have bought and sold a lot of photo equipment on craigslist, and everything you say in your video is spot on. Having patience and not being in a hurry is the best attitude for selling equipment.
@MatthewRaifman
@MatthewRaifman Год назад
Thanks for sharing your thoughts. I hadn't considered craigslist. Great point. I suppose facebook marketplace has kind of replaced it these days?
@alwynmc1
@alwynmc1 8 месяцев назад
Thanks for sharing your findings,very well laid out and to the point!I have found that everything you've said is quite true .In my experience , i have found that even the stores online are not forth coming about the items they list for sale , they list Grey Market items and don't reveal it as that and some only do so when you inquire about warranties. Again Thanks for an eye opening piece and hopefully you've found a honest person to sell to,I'm still lookin!!!!
@MatthewRaifman
@MatthewRaifman 8 месяцев назад
So glad it was helpful. Thanks for the comment and good luck making a deal. You might also try fredmiranda.com as I’ve had great success there too.
@adude394
@adude394 11 месяцев назад
Very informative post! I've had reasonably good experiences selling to and buying from both KEH and MPB. I've heard good things about Used Photo Pro, but have never used them. Like a lot of other posters, I 1) work a full-time job, so ease of transaction is important; and 2) prefer to deal with reputable businesses rather than individual people, since that lowers the likelihood of my getting hosed.
@MatthewRaifman
@MatthewRaifman 11 месяцев назад
Thanks! Yeah, agreed. The best part of KEH and MPB is it’s just easy! I use them too but not for high value items, as the percentage share they take really adds up for those. Anything valued under $1000 is my criteria but they definitely provide a service!
@withvinayak
@withvinayak Год назад
Wow this is such a detailed video on buying from these market places! Must watch
@MatthewRaifman
@MatthewRaifman Год назад
Thanks so much!
@Xingqiwu387
@Xingqiwu387 Год назад
Incredible! Thanks a million for this very valuable information. I'll never sell to either again. From now on, it's Craigslist for us. And we agree again: Map Camera is AMAZING!!
@MatthewRaifman
@MatthewRaifman Год назад
I'm so happy the information was helpful! Thanks for the comment
@WernerBirdNature
@WernerBirdNature Год назад
Thanks for sharing these great insights Matthew! When I swapped end of last year my R6 & 100-400Lii for R5 & 100-500, I left my old gear at the 'local' camera shop (actually 150km away, just across the German border) who took a 15% markup and he only pays back when he find a new buyer. But in between I can always get my old gear back if I'd find a buyer on my own. I didn't realize how good a deal this was until I saw this video 😛
@MatthewRaifman
@MatthewRaifman Год назад
Wow! That’s a wonderful deal. That shop is good one. You should buy all your new gear from them to support them. I was able to sell everything I wanted to on the private market and my loss was just about 10-15% on everything. So I’d say you’ve got a good thing going there because I had to spend a lot of time finding real buyers and avoiding scammers. Happy to share this info. I was surprised that there were not more videos out there like it. Sharing information is really useful for this sort of thing.
@WernerBirdNature
@WernerBirdNature Год назад
@@MatthewRaifman Yes, it's indeed very valuable you made this video ! And I'm sticking with this shop ever since I bought my 350D back in 2006. They have good service regarding repairs as well. Over time my wife and I spend there beyond $15k, so the owner knows me ;-) Glad for you your effort paid off, so I'm looking forward to what you can achieve with the 500/4 !
@georgewelch2366
@georgewelch2366 Год назад
You are lucky. My local camera shop offered me half of what MPB did.
@khanscombe619
@khanscombe619 9 месяцев назад
Good analysis. I’d say it comes down to most money, you can get as the seller versus the laziest you are or impatient to get your money. I have many of those impatient friends. They would rather sell it to the dealer right down the spot to see the instant credit. (iPhone trade in). Nothing wrong with it it’s quick, it’s easy they’re not hurting for the money, they just want to get rid of something they’re not use. It would otherwise sit there on the shelf and be given away. But absolutely, I love eBay & PayPal. It finances, my future used expenses, it’s like training.
@MatthewRaifman
@MatthewRaifman 9 месяцев назад
Excellent points.
@cameronfaili661
@cameronfaili661 Год назад
Under-appreciated video. Thanks for taking the time to make it.
@MatthewRaifman
@MatthewRaifman Год назад
Thank you! Glad you saw it. Not sure why the algorithm didn’t like it, but I think it’s important info to have out there.
@mvp_kryptonite
@mvp_kryptonite Год назад
Good luck in selling your lens. Good informative video. Iv not sold any camera gear on eBay but I buy plenty and always had a smooth transaction. Patience is certainly a key attribute and communication
@MatthewRaifman
@MatthewRaifman Год назад
Thanks! I appreciate it. We will see what happens!
@Digmen1
@Digmen1 Год назад
Hopefully this will be very interesting so I have made a coffee ready to watch it.
@raymond.jia.photos
@raymond.jia.photos Год назад
Time needs to be (and probably is) factored into pricing too. When selling to KEH or MPB you get the money right away, and they take the burden of having money frozen on the shelf waiting for a buyer to show up. Depending on the demand of an item, it might take weeks. That might explains why the markup rate differs across different items.
@MatthewRaifman
@MatthewRaifman Год назад
I think that’s totally fair. The immediacy of the money could be value to some and is part of their pitch. I don’t think it explains the full 40% mark up however. Also bear in mind that they sometimes reduce their assessment of your gear even further. I’m not suggesting that MPB/KEH are not valuable, as they provide a service and I’ve used them myself in the past, but I think many are not aware of the cost of that ease of business and that points to an information gap as well.
@Raymillmusic
@Raymillmusic Год назад
Thank you for this review! I am selling my 300mm 2.8II as well. I was going to sell it to MPB they are offering the most for the lens but I am so nervous about sending it to them and having that lens out there in limbo. Thank you for this insight!
@MatthewRaifman
@MatthewRaifman Год назад
Absolutely. I think sharing the info is really important. I was shocked at their valuation. Hoping you find a good buyer. I traded the lens for the EF 400 f4 DO IS II and I'm still learning its strengths and weaknesses. Thought twice about the 500 f4 ii because of its weight and size.
@fellowcitizen
@fellowcitizen 9 месяцев назад
Very valuable video -- thanks! The economists whom I find interesting are: Steve Keen, Michael Hudson and Jeffrey Sachs.
@fellowcitizen
@fellowcitizen 9 месяцев назад
P.S. Fred Miranda's forum looks like it has good win-win community potential. It would be interesting to see data from there, too -- perhaps FM would assist; you two could collaborate on an article.
@MatthewRaifman
@MatthewRaifman 9 месяцев назад
Yes, that’s an excellent idea. I’ve had a lot of success selling on FM too.
@larryb.4339
@larryb.4339 Год назад
Thanks for sharing your findings. Being close to L.A., I have had great success selling equipment face to face thru FB marketplace for just under fair market value. I always end up selling to the first real person willing to meet in person so I don't bother with any offer that isn't direct to buyer. Also, I always do cash only which helps weed out the scammers. I haven't had to wait longer than a couple weeks for a sale and I suspect it would be the same within driving distance of any metropolitan area.
@MatthewRaifman
@MatthewRaifman Год назад
Totally agree. I ended up selling through FB and fredmiranda.com and had great success compared to ebay/mpb/keh. That's a clever point about cash. As a buyer, cash always made me weary but as a seller it does make a lot of sense to weed out scammers. Thanks for sharing.
@beau__
@beau__ Год назад
I’ve never sold on EBay before and they cap you at $500 max per month or am I doing something wrong.
@MatthewRaifman
@MatthewRaifman Год назад
Yeah, I am not aware of any cap per month for ebay. The fees are a pain for sure though.
@jamesgerboc
@jamesgerboc 10 месяцев назад
I am finding a similar experience. They are sponsoring several photographers so I tried them. Not a good experience.
@MatthewRaifman
@MatthewRaifman 10 месяцев назад
Yeah they’re doing a good job sponsoring photographers I like :-) I use them occasionally just when it’s a low value item and losing 20% or whatever is only a few dollars. However for any big ticket items, their markup because quite large and I wouldn’t recommend it personally.
@Digmen1
@Digmen1 Год назад
I think the market for DSLRs' will drop throught the floor. But in twenty years time it will come back as people get all nostalgic! Should have sold my Nikon D3500 and lenses last year
@MatthewRaifman
@MatthewRaifman Год назад
Haha you’re probably right. Maybe we are better off holding onto them and treating them like an aged fine wine!
@paulandpedro
@paulandpedro Год назад
Not sure if you’ve looked at selling gear to camera stores. But Hunts in New England has a pretty similar markup (40% lower than what it’s selling for elsewhere if I recall). Kinda the way of the world unless you do it yourself as you said. I’ve had success with Mercari instead of ebay.
@MatthewRaifman
@MatthewRaifman Год назад
Yeah, I think that's right. Interesting that it's 40% to me. That is quite a cost associated with scamming risk. I've also had more success with Mercari until recently when I had some scammer issues. I should have mentioned that in the video. Thanks for mentioning it.
@EatonZ26
@EatonZ26 Год назад
Seems to me MPB is a higher volume business than KEH so they don't need to make as much on each "round trip" transaction as KEH.
@MatthewRaifman
@MatthewRaifman Год назад
Could be right! I’m not sure of the relative volume of the marketplaces.
@Digmen1
@Digmen1 Год назад
I would like to buy a Nikon tele lens but they are very expensive also What is the market for 70 year old kidneys like?
@MatthewRaifman
@MatthewRaifman Год назад
Haha, right? I feel your pain. Have you considered the Sigma 500 f4 Sport lens on F mount? It performs well on Nikon with the adaptor I’ve read. Just a thought.
@HeroShotz
@HeroShotz Год назад
Ebay is literal trash these days and they cater to the bots its so sad. Mpb has been grrat to deal with. Keh is like gamestop they always change up the price once they actually recieve the items. From my experience atleast. Forget about adorama and b&h they are a waste of time.
@MatthewRaifman
@MatthewRaifman Год назад
Yeah, that’s pretty similar to my experience too. They all have a place in the market but you’ve got to know what you’re getting into
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