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In this absorbing talk spanning the last 20 years of tech, Roger McNamee starts at the origins of the PayPal Mafia (which included entrepreneurs like Elon Musk, Peter Thiel, and Reid Hoffman) and traces them to Silicon Valley's global domination.
Data is used by online vendors in all industries to make behavioral predictions for profit - often in unethical or cloaked ways.
Did we sign up for this? Roger McNamee calls for a halt to blind participation and asks for a national debate on whether commerce based on personal data (but not for personal benefit) should be legal.
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ROGER MCNAMEE:
Roger McNamee has been a Silicon Valley investor for 35 years. He co-founded successful funds in venture, crossover and private equity. His most recent fund, Elevation, included U2's Bono as a co-founder. He holds a B.A. from Yale University and an M.B.A. from the Tuck School of Business at Dartmouth College.
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ROGER MACNAMEE: After the internet bubble burst in 2000, there was a period where the venture capital industry retrenched, and a void was left. A group of people saw an opportunity. They're now known as the PayPal Mafia. This was Peter Thiel, Elon Musk, Reid Hoffman they had two of the most brilliant insights in the history of entrepreneurship. The first was that the internet was about to make a pivot from being a web of pages to a web of people. They called it web 2.0. This is what created the basis for all of social networking. The second insight was probably even more powerful than that. It had turned out that for 50 years before that time, Silicon Valley had basically struggled with the limits of technology. You never had enough processing power, memory, storage, or bandwidth to do what the customer wanted. So every product had to address just a piece of the customer problem. The notion of making a global product, like Google or Facebook, never occurred to anyone because you never had enough resources to get it done. The PayPal Mafia realized that Moore's law and Metcalfe's law the two laws that talk about processing power and networks were about to hit crossing points, where there would be enough resources to do whatever you wanted to do. And it happened to coincide exactly with their insight about web 2.0.
They subscribed to a form of libertarianism that basically not only praised the individual, but it had this notion that you could disrupt; you could change things and not be responsible for the consequences of your actions, which was incredibly convenient if you're about to go out and create giant global enterprises. The notion that you could just knock things over and it was somebody else's problem, that allowed you to do pretty much anything. This notion of blitzscaling, eliminating friction of all kinds so you can grow as rapidly as possible to global scale. And the problem with eliminating friction is you eliminate the ability of populations to adjust to change. Things happened so quickly, there's no opportunity for evolution. And these guys went, as you saw, in a decade from nothing to global. And in 15 years, they went from nothing to global domination. But they started with this notion that the product had to be free. You had to get rid of the friction of a purchase price. So if you're going have a free product, it's got to be supported by advertising. And if you want to have advertising be valuable, people had to pay attention. They got into this notion that they would manipulate attention, first with rewards to create habits. They would give you likes. They would give you notifications to get you to come back. And they would build habits that for many people turned into addictions.
But the other thing they did was when they got you there, they appealed to the lizard brain, the low-level flight-or-fight emotions that cause people to become tribal. They appeal to outrage and fear. Why? Because when you're afraid or when you are outraged, You share the source of that fear and outrage with other people. Because if they share that with you, that emotion, you're going to feel better. And that worked really, really well. It caused people to share a lot of stuff and see lots of ads. If they'd stop there, we probably would have been OK. But they didn't.
Google had a brilliant insight in 2003. Actually, they had it earlier. They patented in 2003, this notion of behavioral prediction. What Google discovered was that t...
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@bigthink
@bigthink 4 года назад
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@pocarisweet8336
@pocarisweet8336 5 лет назад
I'll never see captcha the same way ever again.
@razzlfraz
@razzlfraz 5 лет назад
Yep. I work in this industry. Ironically, have designed a Parkinson's identification model using movement data from your watch or phone. (Kind of. It identifies more than Parkinson's.) I've also written software that identifies the onset of depression before the person notices they have it. Fun fact: The accelerometer in most smart watches, like in the Apple Watch, can pick up auditory vibrations through your bones, allowing someone like me to listen in to what someone is saying, even in a noisy environment like a club. Not only that, it is sensitive enough to identify how many fingers the wearer is holding out in front of them, what they're holding, if they're snapping their fingers, and other movements.
@iyamnobaudi4851
@iyamnobaudi4851 5 лет назад
Most folks don't realize "advertising" and this industry is predatory.
@ZennExile
@ZennExile 5 лет назад
Economics is a predatory religion.
@ms.m3n
@ms.m3n 5 лет назад
So most people weren't also taught at an early age that the point of advertising is to sell a product you'd otherwise likely not need let alone want? Guess my Dad from a 3rd world country, immigrated to the US in the 70s, after my mom, is brighter than most westerners, after all 🤣 So if the tech heavyweights can nudge individuals, why can't they nudge them en mass to demand better urban planning codes? Urban sprawl may have worked to pump up vehicle and fossil fuel profits the last half century. Seriously tho, it's become way too apparent that the health of our society (medical costs of preventable diseases), down to personal financial/physical health (unnecessary debts and misuse of resources) and expanding out to environmental health (with warming/non-biodegradable build up) is put to damaging leveled risk. Get the masses that influence others to depict and demand higher standards of lifestyle choices, as detailed as what we eat to where/how the things we purchase are produced/packaged. We need more cultural cues to prompt us the new norm. Instead of the Graduate promoting "plastics", we need the young tech warriors to fight for green options while remaining sympathetic and nurturing to care for the growing elderly populations.... .
@jamesaphoenix
@jamesaphoenix 5 лет назад
There's a difference between advertising and content marketing though!
@ZennExile
@ZennExile 5 лет назад
@Phoenix Your delusions are fun, but reality doesn't have time for flights of fukpotato fancy. Intelligence agencies save lives and prevent loss in wars. Facebook watches your children and builds a portfolio of life-long addiction to consumer products that no one needs. You are one of those pure bred fukpotatos who can't think past their own perspective. The worst kind of NPC human. Confidently and willfully ignorant. I feel like the world would be better off if you, and anyone like you, would hurry up and be fertilizer.
@coltonlapp4193
@coltonlapp4193 5 лет назад
​@@ZennExile bruh be nice you wouldn't say this out loud
@billfrug
@billfrug 5 лет назад
RU-vid recommended me this video.
@atulmy
@atulmy 5 лет назад
Must be a glitch in their system.
@jerrykreutzer4326
@jerrykreutzer4326 5 лет назад
Which kinda disproves his point, what a shocker.
@FacelessProjects
@FacelessProjects 5 лет назад
Companies *may* be recommending you things that you want, but they are *definitely* recommending you things that they want to sell you. - I love this change in how I think about internet recommendations. This is a great video.
@alekseysoldatenkov5675
@alekseysoldatenkov5675 5 лет назад
I'm a big fan of the questions and issues that Mr. McNamee poses. They are very important and need to be seriously considered. He's unlike many VCs and it gives me hope for the industry.
@basharkano9658
@basharkano9658 5 лет назад
The ways he's talking is so spooky. Actually this is a very grim reality we are living in, the amount of information that we forfeited to for-profit company is massive to the point where it has become dangerous for society. I believe that at some point people are going to realize the sheer danger of this and demand regulations for these internet giants.
@ekids.bassment
@ekids.bassment 5 лет назад
When it's to late....
@joefunk76
@joefunk76 5 лет назад
Regulation from whom? Politicians who make $200k/year? Google can buy off them and everyone they know for a pittance. Profitable practices persist because even if they’re unethical, they make enough money to override any dissenters.
@Mantikal
@Mantikal 5 лет назад
It's happening because: 1. There are no rules 2. Nobody told them to stop 3. They're really smart 4. It's obviously a great business Well then I'm sure no one will have a problem when organized crime starts playing the same game with the CEOs, Investors, stock holders, lawyers and board of directors of all those data mining companies - right? Because organized crime just loves those 4 qualifiers you just listed too. Like they say, it's one thing for you to dish it out, but can you take it? Organized crime also has occasional "insights"
@lemonspring6425
@lemonspring6425 5 лет назад
Reminds me of drug lords and their mafia.
@FlyingPastilla
@FlyingPastilla 5 лет назад
What the hell are you on about ?
@ElectronicCalifornia
@ElectronicCalifornia 5 лет назад
Maybe this is the future of organized crime. The mafia went from wearing flashy clothes to designer suits, and now they’re dressed in jeans and a t-shirt with a meme on it.
@Furiends
@Furiends 5 лет назад
The absolutely KEY point on this subject is that these things are a matter of public policy and can be fixed with public policy. I've had so many conversations on this topic even though I've been warning people about this since I was in my early teens being called cynical and conspiratorial for it. Yet now they are the ones who jump to this fatalist lazy cynical attitude that this is all inevitable and we just got to accept it. I am quite familiar with these software and technologies and fixing it really isn't that hard. While data is valuable the primary reason it is is because its so easy to collect massive hoards of it. If there's even the slightest friction like say a government audit where you could get fined heavily suddenly massive personal data mining becomes a liability rather than an asset.
@GumbyTheGreen1
@GumbyTheGreen1 5 лет назад
Agreed. Why do even left-leaning Americans always forget that there's a thing called "regulation" that exists for a reason?
@importantname
@importantname 5 лет назад
The greatest myth is that your government is defending you rights.
@hkchrism
@hkchrism 5 лет назад
The government has been weakened by these wealthy players. Strengthen the government and regulation will get back in order, just as it generally was for us from FDR through Johnson.
@IizUname
@IizUname 5 лет назад
Followed by the myth that without government, we would be free.
@hkchrism
@hkchrism 5 лет назад
@Chuck-U Farly It's an education issue at heart.
@hkchrism
@hkchrism 5 лет назад
@@IizUname Without government we would be under constant threat
@DrRonontheInternet
@DrRonontheInternet 5 лет назад
These things aren't happening because these companies are bad people. They're happening because: there are no rules, nobody told them to stop, they're really smart, it's obviously a great business. So my basic point here is: I think we should stop, have a serious conversation, figure out as a country what we're going to do about this. ~Roger McNamee
@funny-video-YouTube-channel
@funny-video-YouTube-channel 5 лет назад
*Filter bubbles and constant notifications* from apps is a huge issue. FB is so hungry it invents new ways to send meaningless notifications that have no personal value. YTubs is giving videos that you might like, instead of really showing new and nice things that are happening by topic, and date maybe. Tags or maybe topics would be a way to solve filter bubbles, when people know that we are in the bubble, instead of thinking that all the new stuff is really new and fresh, or relevant. Numbers and honest presentation might help. Google could start with that, if they want.
@Archie0pteryx
@Archie0pteryx 5 лет назад
I actually think it's really cool that those catchpa are assisting self driving cars Sometimes I wonder if some kind of Darren Brown-esque hypnosis is going on because I'll have an unusual random thought (about something I rarely think about, something that I haven't thought about in ages), mention it to no one, and then there will be a RU-vid recommendation on that exact topic. And that has been happening a LOT lately.
@hexagongraphics2525
@hexagongraphics2525 5 лет назад
Wow. Training Google cars to recognise traffic lights through Captchas. Ingenious
@MrEdd215
@MrEdd215 5 лет назад
Wonderful explanation, thank you.
@bigthink
@bigthink 4 года назад
Thank you, MrEdd!
@ProtonCannon
@ProtonCannon 5 лет назад
So everyone I have questions for you: How does it feel to know that your every move is monitored and recorded by people you don't know? How does it feel to know that there you can have no secrets anymore? How does it feel to know that you are nothing but livestock? How does it feel to know that this is normal, it will be normal in the future and there is nothing you can do about it?
@Oncus2
@Oncus2 5 лет назад
Every time google introduces a new captcha is just so they can training their AI, be it either to read scanned books or to drive cars.
@TheChowitzer
@TheChowitzer 5 лет назад
"Did we sign up for this?" Technically yes - it's just that we didn't read what we were signing up for over and over again.
@javierharth3647
@javierharth3647 5 лет назад
Same as taxes; did we sign up for them?
@sarahwbs
@sarahwbs 5 лет назад
The notion that Facebook, google, etc have access to all this information *and* can match it to a specific individual is fear mongering at its finest. Any such information is divorced from personal identifiers and is only useful for large scale data analysis. If Google shows you an ad that seems relevant to you it's not because they chose it for you specifically, but because they chose it for people who match certain characteristics that you happen to share.
@GumbyTheGreen1
@GumbyTheGreen1 5 лет назад
You sure about that? I keep seeing ads on FB from Jiffy Lube telling me that their records show that I'm due for an oil change.
@NibsNiven
@NibsNiven 5 лет назад
"The notion that Facebook, google, etc have access to all this information and can match it to a specific individual is fear mongering at its finest."
@DaggieBlanqx
@DaggieBlanqx 5 лет назад
Great thoughts ! Thank you
@brendarua01
@brendarua01 5 лет назад
Wonderful presentation! It should be shared around the world! This all actually started in the '50s when advertising on TV turned from providing information to marketing imaging and feelings, getting you to think you want to be like "that," to belong. Think about the old cigarette cowboy commercials. Think about the sexy car commercial. They created the consumer economy, getting you to buy stuff you want, not need. The recommendations based on the profile these companies build are the same.
@NibsNiven
@NibsNiven 5 лет назад
It actually started in the 1920s with Edward Bernays, the nephew of Sigmund Freud. Read his book _Propaganda_ for a real treat.
@texgal3990
@texgal3990 5 лет назад
I think Im going to be sick at my stomach now and throw up. People need to educate themselves on all this.. Thank you for bringing this to our attention. Creepy really creepy
@damokles8568
@damokles8568 5 лет назад
Thank you '' Big Think'' for sharing these information. Alot of people still don't realize that we're already living in the ''Big Brother'' state,now the question is: what about politics ,election speeches specifically?.Are we having all these cliche speeches based on these collected data?....
@Furiends
@Furiends 5 лет назад
Yes. We know this from the Snowden leaks. In secret courts it was decided that the government isn't breaking unreasonable search and seizure if it simply buys the data from private firms.
@damokles8568
@damokles8568 5 лет назад
@@Furiends True,not to mention the reforms that trump administration has made in 2016 that allows government to collect these data from any corporation in the name of ''national security''
@ronlombardi5343
@ronlombardi5343 5 лет назад
Very informative! ☆☆☆☆☆
@4gui429
@4gui429 5 лет назад
they use the processing power of my machine to spy on me without my authorization, that's the problem. The machine that I paid for must have all entire processing power at my disposal and not be stolen for obscure uses that do not interest me and do not benefit me.
@Furiends
@Furiends 5 лет назад
Funny thing is this follows the exact same trend line of these tech companies. Androids success comes from the fact that its a product for carriers not for users.
@javierharth3647
@javierharth3647 5 лет назад
The only aspect this bloke did not mention was the immorality of the lot. Everything to make money is a race to the bottom, and making money does not mean creating wealth. I believe all who volunteer their information, giving up their privacy, are being robbed!
@narrator69
@narrator69 5 лет назад
I'm so thankful I learned my critical thinking skills in the 80's and 90's.
@annoloki
@annoloki 5 лет назад
"they can tell if you're human by how you move your mouse" -- err, potentially, but that doesn't mean that they DO... partly because of how many users don't use a mouse... a touch screen just gets the click events, it doesn't have a cursor that moves from one location to another because it just doesn't work in the same way. IOW, "they can" is NOT the same as "they do". This is just guesswork, it makes Google etc out to be far more capable than they actually are. Sure, their level of power is a problem and should be dealt with, but this has to happen in the real world, not fantasy world based on what some magazine reported as "OMG they can do THIS now!!!"
@Poszlakowaneopinie
@Poszlakowaneopinie 5 лет назад
still - discussions with friends and watching You Tube videos is much better than my parents coming from work watching TV
@richardmatthews7489
@richardmatthews7489 5 лет назад
From someone thats worked in and had experience from the advertising industry in London: its corrupt, sexist, racist, classit, elitist and not that glamorous.
@nicholasbyram296
@nicholasbyram296 5 лет назад
I don't get it. So...the bots know that I'm a piece of crap with a potentially fatal disorder, AND they are gonna let me die from my brain tumor/cirrhosis in ignorant bliss. What will the "conversation" be? How much should I be paying them for this service?
@peterpetrov6522
@peterpetrov6522 5 лет назад
The good news is that new technology is attempting to solve these problems using cryptography. Maybe that's why Bitcoin, Ethereum and all of their distant crypto cousins are increasing in value like crazy. Countless crypto projects are working on protecting users' privacy and maybe they are not all scams. The crypto community talks about money waaay too much but many great things will come out of it. Crypto is more significant than many (smart) people realize, and it was shocking that Roger McNamee managed to do this entire presentation without mentioning crypto once.
@mike13891
@mike13891 5 лет назад
I could see them making a movie about Rogert McNamee. I can see Christian Bale playing the part to a T.
@Oncus2
@Oncus2 5 лет назад
I disagree with but one point: They *are* bad people. Good people don't need you to tell them to stop. I would understand if they do it because everyone else is doing it, but they are the one's that began this, so no excuses.
@empathylessons2267
@empathylessons2267 5 лет назад
Personally I don't mind my data being used. But perhaps there should be a legal requirement for tech companies to provide services along with an "opt out" of the data collection. At that point they would have to incentivize the user to forfeit the data, potentially through financial compensation.
@ZennExile
@ZennExile 5 лет назад
This idiotic line of reasoning is why they get away with stealing your personality and building an outrage portfolio to manipulate you. The majority of people are too stupid to understand how enough information about them can be used to control them. You, like most other humans on this rock, can't comprehend how an information campaign can be used to control your behavior. Hell, a good chunk of you would probably even invite being controlled like a Drone. Even before you think it, YOU WISH, that was an exaggeration.
@empathylessons2267
@empathylessons2267 5 лет назад
@@ZennExile That sure is an interesting perspective. But I actually am totally on the same page with you. I 100% agree that they can manipulate me entirely. Though, I think the proper way to combat this, is to be educated on precisely how it works. We cannot fight our humanity, but at least we can be self-aware. We shouldn't get rid of marketing just because it works, but, acknowledging that it works much too well, the solution (imo) is to educate people on precisely how they are manipulated. The practicality of that is another issue that we would likely disagree on. But having learned how much influence my environment has on my behavior, I've come to terms with it a while ago.
@ZennExile
@ZennExile 5 лет назад
@@empathylessons2267 72% of all humans in any given sample cannot be trained to recognize the tactics being deployed. These are the Sheople, the NPCs, or my personal favorite, the Purebred Fukpotatos. They lack the ability, the opportunity, and/or the resources needed to develop critical thinking skills that specifically relate to confirmation bias and self analysis. This is also why so many continuously lobby against refining the education system in the United States. Keeping that 72% slave population of cognitively impaired people is Essential to all Economic progress. The Richest country in the World got there by making the slaves "feel" free. Not through education and personal empowerment. Powerful interests depend on that 72% Nothing can be done to educate away their manipulation. Exploitation of the simple minded is already illegal. We just need to start telling people they are cognitively impaired. Participation Trophies don't work.
@empathylessons2267
@empathylessons2267 5 лет назад
@@ZennExile I guess I was right on us disagreeing on the practicality of increasing self-awareness through education. Though we disagree, I wish you luck with your methodology.
@NibsNiven
@NibsNiven 5 лет назад
"Personally I don't mind my data being used."
@ser-hanga
@ser-hanga 5 лет назад
This guy creates the impression that everything was premeditated, yet we know a number of the interventions were observed as emergent outcomes as the businesses looked for survival. This is not to say that what's being done is acceptable. Then again, it's easier to start talking about the evils of these systems after one has benefitted from investing in the same companies.
@marcinkryczka7044
@marcinkryczka7044 5 лет назад
Notion notion notion notion notion notion notion notion
@lpgoog
@lpgoog 5 лет назад
Like most big problems in society we’re slow to change because the enemy is within. What part of the economy would like to participate in selling you something even if it’s not good for you? 😜 How is free market capitalism allowed by government to eventually become concentrated and not so competitive? How much pressure is there for your financial advisor to have a fiduciary agreement with you? (Or broadcast the fact that most can’t outperform a passive investment over time?) How come doctors aren’t taught nutrition even though what you eat is much more impactful than pharm can ever be? If there’s a big enough part of the population that profits from the other side(immoral or not) society will be slow if not impossible to change. Let’s not forget to mention the segment of the population perfectly happy in the matrix 😝 This guy should do lunch with Cal Newport 👍
@damokles8568
@damokles8568 5 лет назад
Free market sounds good isn't it? ,of course it is,but then you'll realize that less than a hundred people have more money that 50% world's states,not only that,using politics/philosophy via media to condition your clients before you target them with the advertisements. The reality is ,it's been always like this,a minority shapes the views and controls the majority,this minority just shifts and changes based on the economic/political system,their ways will change but the outcome will always be the same,and as you see on politics today,both the left and the right are becoming like fascists in their media and public speeches,and they're literally selling their freedom to either ''forced'' political correctness (that kills the culture/identity) or ''forced'' racism and delusions of white-supremacy.
@roelvoort
@roelvoort 5 лет назад
Crap (mind.blown). Thanks for the info, mr. McNamee. great video
@whyme4476
@whyme4476 5 лет назад
The insight of the notion is that it was only a simple notion that was insightful based on the knowledge of the notion. That! was the insight of the future and of course the notion that started it all.
@Genci0
@Genci0 5 лет назад
His bias is that he was a Facebook pioneer investor, to talk bad about Google at a Google platform is not right.
@harrue
@harrue 5 лет назад
“I believe by Microsoft”? Dude they fucking keep your key strokes
@christset
@christset 5 лет назад
Hence we have GDPR IN EUROPE NOW ...
@Furiends
@Furiends 5 лет назад
Yep and its pretty awesome. The crazy thing is we pretty much need GDPR x10 and in the form of international treaty.
@3lGranGon
@3lGranGon 5 лет назад
We need younger people and people who understand and grew alongside tech. These old congresspeople have no clue of whats going on on their computer less alone on the internet and why would they regulate something that they don't understand?
@Furiends
@Furiends 5 лет назад
Funny enough the younger generation has their own problem of being even less skeptical. This is the reality they've known their entire lives.
@fostercathead
@fostercathead 3 года назад
This is so 2019. Oh wait, it was 2019. Never mind ...
@brynwhitehead1731
@brynwhitehead1731 5 лет назад
I know. It's even more complex yet simple.
@osse1n
@osse1n 5 лет назад
*More power and control. Who doesn't want that?*
@brandosuperstar
@brandosuperstar 5 лет назад
This is so hard to follow.
@avayu2289
@avayu2289 5 лет назад
Who uses a mouse anymore?😂 “They” have been doing this since the beginning of time in trade, only it was more crude. Singularity is around the corner folks! Only time will tell how the next iteration of human evolution will be!
@ibmor7674
@ibmor7674 5 лет назад
Where’s the Privacy?
@masonm600
@masonm600 5 лет назад
Why is it legal? Because we willingly give it to them. The alternative is the Chinese system where the government gets all the data in addition to the companies.
@GumbyTheGreen1
@GumbyTheGreen1 5 лет назад
No we don't. With the way our society is now structured, we essentially have to give it to them and most of us don't even realize we're doing it. And among those of us who do, only those of us who are unusually knowledgeable about tech are able to prevent it and we have to go out of our way to do so and we aren't even able to prevent all of it. This is a systemic problem, so to put it on individuals is preposterous. And no, there are other alternatives like outlawing the creation of most of this data in the first place.
@perryrobles6813
@perryrobles6813 5 лет назад
More like the dark and shady practices of PEOPLE. A landscape is incapable of such practices.
@kevinwalsh3506
@kevinwalsh3506 5 лет назад
15 years for these internet firms was a short time to go global and we couldnt adjust? How long did Microsoft take 20 years earlier. Bad foundation for argument
@internetfetus
@internetfetus 5 лет назад
Yup and there's a whole lot more.
@jerrykreutzer4326
@jerrykreutzer4326 5 лет назад
A lot of information in this videos is wrong: reCAPTCHA is used both for identifying humans and for training ML (like if you're asked to rate a second set after you've done well on the first). The idea that mouse movements alone are enough to identify humans is laughable, in that case, all the attacker would have to do is prerecord one human interaction and play back the movements for their bots. Also, what about phones and iPads? And selling location data is without the user's consent is obviously illegal. There is nothing wrong with recommendation engines. And there is nothing wrong with targeted advertising. Seeing what people like me bought is much more useful than getting random ads by whoever paid the most money. I do have a problem with optimising ML for user engagement, which leads to it trying to cause outrage or fear, like some social networks have done.
@fionafiona1146
@fionafiona1146 5 лет назад
My enshurance can't terminate my coverage
@ameliamnicol
@ameliamnicol 5 лет назад
Woah. Scarry.
@danielweis5501
@danielweis5501 5 лет назад
I don't like how this guy's argument is framed.
@eklim2034
@eklim2034 5 лет назад
China stopped them but do likewise
@me.atul10
@me.atul10 5 лет назад
Who sells them technology? 😎
@CyrusSabounchi
@CyrusSabounchi 5 лет назад
PayPal Mafia! Secret meetings! Oh my god... He made it as if there was a hidden circle making secret decisions about internet. His is a master of conspiracy theory creation. I'm afraid of HIM!!!
@CyrusSabounchi
@CyrusSabounchi 5 лет назад
@@000AnUbiS000 he is deliberately using conspiracy theory language to sell books. I'm afraid of HIM Not because of road signs, but because this language has Always lead to destruction. Tech companies will be disrupted whether they want it or not, decentralization will change the server business for example, the core of Amazon profitability. But, this guy is dangerous!!!
@johnahooker
@johnahooker 5 лет назад
Peter Thiel is a hero.
@JackJackKcajify
@JackJackKcajify 5 лет назад
Your arguments are fundamentally wrong. What does it mean to have "benefits"??? Just because the data you take from one specific individual can be translated into a general idea and trend, doesn't mean that the data they didn't harvest the data and sell it. there needs to be laws on what forms of data can be taken and sold and property laws must define such,
@BrianMcInnis87
@BrianMcInnis87 5 лет назад
Query: If someone's spying on your cats, do you call them 'cats spies'?
@rchuso
@rchuso 5 лет назад
So, from Libertarianism to Communism within little over a decade?
@Furiends
@Furiends 5 лет назад
Try to use more than a few brain cells. I know you got 'em.
@christset
@christset 5 лет назад
Persona using digital marketing smarply digital transformation taking advantage 3rd platform technology and innovation accelerator we Nigerian are on this heavy right now from big data business intelligence
@quantum-catperson7458
@quantum-catperson7458 5 лет назад
What if a tyrannical government had this power?
@Unselfless
@Unselfless 5 лет назад
7:58 Yes. Everyone did. They signed that away with the TOA everyone agreed to without reading
@NibsNiven
@NibsNiven 5 лет назад
Not true. Facebook has done all kinds of nasty shit with our data that none of us agreed to. In fact, the TOS specifically rules out their doing what they have done with our data, as do several privacy laws. Let's not even get into Zuckerberg's utter lack of morality. He needs to be in jail.
@KungFuChess
@KungFuChess 5 лет назад
They can use my data but pay me first.
@brine_909
@brine_909 5 лет назад
The problem is that they are already paying you with the service of there website. If you think your being ripped off then stop using it. But you wont, so they will continue to collect.
@damokles8568
@damokles8568 5 лет назад
@@brine_909 Let's say most people don't know what they've signed for when they used these websites,i mean they were already profiting with their primitive business model,these changes weren't necessary,but they made it anyway...why?,because nobody stopped them ,and the majority of people rely on these services.
@onaughto
@onaughto 5 лет назад
Stop buying shit.. problem solved.
@jazzochannel
@jazzochannel 5 лет назад
Why legal? Free market & capitalism. Is the answer not obvious?
@jazzochannel
@jazzochannel 5 лет назад
Used to be legal to work people 16+ hours shifts too. What's so hard to see? To be fair.. some people just lack a moral compas or ignore it to get ahead in any economy.
@cassiusspacetrain2852
@cassiusspacetrain2852 5 лет назад
use adblock
@shinymike4301
@shinymike4301 5 лет назад
Got that right, Rodger Dodger. Trump needs to dismember Googloid piece by bloody piece. Then Facebook and Twitter.
@CarlosFernandez1122
@CarlosFernandez1122 5 лет назад
OMG!!!!
@profhabeebmohammedgen.medi3035
MALIK SULTAAN SYAD NAWAZISH HUSSAIN MALIK ALLAH HAI....IMAM MAHDI MASSAGE....
@rontman
@rontman 5 лет назад
Seems to me there he is scaremongering without much substantial proof. Honestly I don't buy this pitch.
@NSNG1540
@NSNG1540 5 лет назад
Total Crap
@FlyingPastilla
@FlyingPastilla 5 лет назад
Do you prefer to be presented with relevant information that is personalized or rubbish that brings nothing to your life AND have to pay for all these otherwise free services? I'll add free services monetized via user data are made better for all users by using the collected data. Would you rather pay for inferior services ? Maybe you simply lack the self-control to refrain from buying, are too influençable. Please note the irony of having this type of video on youtube, you would reach nobody if this platform was not free
@zejcl
@zejcl 5 лет назад
relevent information that is personalized equals censorship, equals doctrination , are you lab rat or a human
@FlyingPastilla
@FlyingPastilla 5 лет назад
@@zejcl No it doesn't. That totally depends the level of democracy and freedom of your environment not the way internet services are monetized. Maybe thats true in Brasil but not in Europe, we're talking about marketing here not propaganda
@mostawesomedudeever1
@mostawesomedudeever1 5 лет назад
Wow no identity politics big think! I'm very surprised, but you lost all credibility with that rubbish you were peddling.
@StevenPalmer1
@StevenPalmer1 5 лет назад
Don't be so sure. Your identity is crafted and managed by data.
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