Original video got nuked by yRU-vid. I'd like to believe it was by error, a lot of you saw it but who knows. I often get errors when the topic is the LGBTQ but hey... It is what it is. Having to reupload after a video already gets half its views definitely ruins the video in the algorithm but yall can help just by dropping a like. Enjoy the video and see yall tomorrow.
@@aeoligarlic4024 I don't think there's anything bad with him having a woke ideology. Wokeness doesn't hurt anyone unless people use their wokeness as excuses to be assholes ykno
Dave Chappelle is a liar, and you're all believing him because few of you have any genuine closeness to someone who identifies as trans. His "friend", Daphne, was outrageously misrepresented in his special. She wasn't receiving that much backlash from her defence of Dave (seriously, look it up on twitter, most of the replies to her are supportive even when she went out of her way to find criticism against Dave and "pick a fight" with people, for a lack of a better term). Her sister has come out with a statement saying she did not kill herself over the supposed "trans mob", but rather due to PTSD. She was a person who suffered deeply, and Dave took months to reach out to her family after her suicide and didn't know she had a child until he witnessed the obituary. They were not friends. Dave used her as a meat shield because, against any claim of transphobia against him, he could just say "no because I have a trans friend". My theory is that she just stuck around with him for the connection which is fair enough, I would've done the same for some money. He wildly misrepresented her friendship with him, blowing it out of proportion, and lied about the circumstances around her death. This is but a single example of Dave blatantly LYING to his audience in his special, since he knows that 99% of you won't go and do your own research about the topic. Which is evident given most of the responses here in these comments. If he was able to lie to you about something so egregious and you believed it, what leads you to believe he was being truthful about anything else in his special? Are you looking at this situation rationally, or do you just prefer to believe what Dave tells you because it's more comfortable and confirms your biases? I know my opinion is contrarian in these comments so I expect some backlash and dogpiling, but I do ask that you objectively examine this special and recognise Dave's unreliability as a narrator and storyteller. I could go into more of the lies he told in The Closer, but you should go and see for yourself how a cisgender man attempts to explain transgender identities and a trans existence, and fails miserably to represent them in a realistic light. 2021 is rapidly becoming the year where violence against transgender people is reaching an all-time high. You heard me, an all-time high. As trans visibility rises, so does violence against them. And Dave lying about transgender people and portraying them as a nefarious, angry mob is what causes people to dislike them (such as you) and some of them go even further, wanting to harm them for it. THAT is why people are upset. Because The Closer is purposefully divisive.
@@jankulas463 go ahead and continue shooting yourself in the foot We can’t make fun of you your all ready make fun of us We can’t criticize you Or your methods You're allowed to call me nazi over anything Yes we’re not equal but it is not you the one who is oppressed when I see this So go ahead and keep alienating people
That is the problem now this egocentric mentality will halt or slow down progress for other groups that want to be equally treated, as people will associate this type thinking and behaviour with any SJW or activist that speaks up to much now
@DRIVER when you don't have anything productive to add to the conversation and think you're clever for purposely misgendering a woman cause she's trans:
I got into a “fight” with a kid at school when I was younger and we are both bigger guys and someone shouted “Whale Wars”! That shit hurt but I can’t lie and say that wouldn’t have been funny as hell if it wasn’t me.
Dude, jokes are a way of coping with a difficult situation. A lot of people (me included) will start making jokes when their situation is fucked, because that's a way for them to at least laugh about SOMETHING. After joking around, they will face that shit head on. The people who're upset about jokes and are easily offended are people who haven't had difficult lives, they've lived lives where they were coddled and the only fights they had in their lives were ones for attention, and they found that being LGBT or that presenting themselves as a trans-fairy got others to pay attention to them, their systems relate attention to a dopamine hit..
Dave Chappelle made me laugh harder at being white than any other black comedian. That shit about white people loving heroin had me DEAD because I’ve SEENT that shit lolol
Blaire White has talked about Daphne several times. Blaire is trans. She was actually in the Vice video they showed in this video. I’ve seen a lot of conservative RU-vidrs talk about Daphne too.
"You can joke about anything. You can tell any joke you like. And some people won't like it, and they'll *tell* you they don't like it. And then it's up to you whether to give a fuck or not. It's a good system." - Ricky Gervais
I went to a comedian back in Feb. And she was making jokes about growing up black in America and I was laughing so loud. She asked me why I was laughing and nodding along, I told her "I relate to all of that. I obviously didn't grow up as a black woman, I grew up poor. Poor is poor." We laughed together and after the show she came up and said she had never met someone who was a different race who understood. I think its all about perspective. Shared trauma and just being able to acknowledge it and laugh it off.
This so much people nowadays forget that so much poor is poor we all went or are going though the same shit, sure there are some minor differences but you have that regardless not everyone went though it note for note as everyone else but we can relate in many many ways that outclasses those differences
YES. We are all human too. We all have the potential for empathy. Humans are too complex to put in boxes and say that only people in your box can possibly understand.
@@lauraska95 Perhaps not even class. Here in the U.S., you can move from social class to social class, both "up" and "down." As a poor kid in the inner city, I was taught that "class" was a behavior pattern, and that "We don't behave like that because that's low class, and we are not low class."
Someone once demanded me to take this 'privilege check', as a 'white man' (there were many more words that may not even have been actual words used to label me the inherently bad guy, but whatever, the ones I knew to be words meant nothing or were falsely applied), when I was talking about animal rights and how all living beings should be free and considered equally, or there is no freedom or equality to speak of or rightful base to demand it. It was a video of a 'white man' VS (their words, I would never make such a topic into a competition that is both sexist and racist) a 'black woman' (so race is binary now, gender is not, apparently... And both were a conflict according to her, while I just consider it variety to survive changing circumstances, and in case of sex, duality to maintain harmony between opposites or become extinct). The questions were clearly biased, but STILL I had enjoyed less privilege in life than the black woman claiming victory in the victimhood competition. Apparently. Because I just saw them as life lessons, not something to exploit for oppression points based privileges. So even with hand picked questions to get the desired outcome for painting a certain narrative, it was wrong. I have been raped AND be denied credibility because of my sex. She hadn't been, but 'had felt unsafe at night' - not saying it can't have been valid. I have been the victim of domestic violence AND be denied the right to defend myself because the violator was my female partner. My parents got divorced, my mom had no support and we were "poor" by society's definition. And so on. And even then, none of those things made me "POOR", they made me richer in experience. And I'm not here to get power or money, or to 'stay safe', those aren't my values or riches, on the contrary. I had the choice between "poverty" and slavery, and chose the first, because the second made me feel poor for the first time in my life, despite all the 'stuff' I could get (and did get, only to convince myself I wasn't poor, wasn't a slave, didn't trade my soul for money, my freedom and equality for stuff... I felt dead, now at least I feel alive in a dead world. Far from ideal, but arguably better)
I remember in the 80s and 90s when the extreme religious people threw a fit about abortion and rape jokes and the left said get over it, it's just comedy. Now here we are and the left are taking up the puritans cause. Crazy how this has come full circle.
Agreed as a left leaning centrist who hates radical left and right. Someone always wants to control our speech, but in this case as of right now it’s the radical woke idiotic leftists
Dave is just as fcking sensitive then since he walked away from his own fcking show and 50 mil because of how white men were "laughing at him and not with him".
Well if someone makes a whole section of a special Dedicated to talking about how you're too sensitive and making jokes about you, you'd probably have some comments.
We’re taught the “sticks and stones..” rhyme as a child so that we understand at an early age the difference between real violence and verbal rhetoric.
You might give some consideration to the rhetoric if it was either explicitly or implicitly promoting violence against someone, but Dave explicitly stated he wished no violence or mistreatment on them. He just didn’t acknowledge that they were biologically identical to the gender they identify as.
@@Solkard Which they're not so he did nothing offensive or wrong anyway. You can't be born a biological male and turn into a biological female. Scientifically trans women will always be biological males identifying/presenting as females. Hormones and sex reassignment surgery doesn't make your lungs or heart smaller or your bones less dense or miraculously grow a female reproductive system. Their biology will always be that of a male. Vice versa for trans men too.
It's new information, but apparently words can be extremely psychologically scarring. The real issue here is that these people are proposing that reality is completely different than we've seen it for a long time, and they don't want to defend it to the scientific community, against reasonable challenges from public intellectuals or even common citizens.
Dave Chappelle is a liar, and you're all believing him because few of you have any genuine closeness to someone who identifies as trans. His "friend", Daphne, was outrageously misrepresented in his special. She wasn't receiving that much backlash from her defence of Dave (seriously, look it up on twitter, most of the replies to her are supportive even when she went out of her way to find criticism against Dave and "pick a fight" with people, for a lack of a better term). Her sister has come out with a statement saying she did not kill herself over the supposed "trans mob", but rather due to PTSD. She was a person who suffered deeply, and Dave took months to reach out to her family after her suicide and didn't know she had a child until he witnessed the obituary. They were not friends. Dave used her as a meat shield because, against any claim of transphobia against him, he could just say "no because I have a trans friend". My theory is that she just stuck around with him for the connection which is fair enough, I would've done the same for some money. He wildly misrepresented her friendship with him, blowing it out of proportion, and lied about the circumstances around her death. This is but a single example of Dave blatantly LYING to his audience in his special, since he knows that 99% of you won't go and do your own research about the topic. Which is evident given most of the responses here in these comments. If he was able to lie to you about something so egregious and you believed it, what leads you to believe he was being truthful about anything else in his special? Are you looking at this situation rationally, or do you just prefer to believe what Dave tells you because it's more comfortable and confirms your biases? I know my opinion is contrarian in these comments so I expect some backlash and dogpiling, but I do ask that you objectively examine this special and recognise Dave's unreliability as a narrator and storyteller. I could go into more of the lies he told in The Closer, but you should go and see for yourself how a cisgender man attempts to explain transgender identities and a trans existence, and fails miserably to represent them in a realistic light. 2021 is rapidly becoming the year where violence against transgender people is reaching an all-time high. You heard me, an all-time high. As trans visibility rises, so does violence against them. And Dave lying about transgender people and portraying them as a nefarious, angry mob is what causes people to dislike them (such as you) and some of them go even further, wanting to harm them for it. THAT is why people are upset. Because The Closer is purposefully divisive.
Has not EVERYTHING Dave said in his routine been certified as true by the people's action? 1: their conditional outrage. 2: Their conditional observation and willful omissions of the very same subject they are claiming has "hate-based undertones". 3: Their own racism and entitled points of privilege. 4: Most important... How they see "justice" in every attempt to disparage, denigrate, and deny anyone that crossed their EVER MOVING line of reached offense.
They dont give a fuck about anything these people just wanna complain. But this isnt a bad thing for people like you and me. If you ever meet a trans or gay person, ask them: are you a part of the LGBTQ movement? If they say no, be their friend. They're probably good people. If they say yes, then run boi you better get the fuck outta there and not ever look back
@@117Ender I hate that pronoun shit with a passion. I especially hate that my job is trying to force everyone to add that shit to our email signatures. I’ve been a girl/woman for 34 years. No one has ever misgendered me. And for the sake of this argument, if they did, I corrected them. Problem solved. I’m so over this PC bullshit. I wish the trans community would do as they pleased but just leave the rest of us alone 😩
Why are people trying to make everything unfunny and victimize themselves? They literally feel oppressed because they want so badly to be angry about something. But people who have actually been through shit will use humor and dark humor to get through it 🤦 Isn't this shtiz like, fun-phobic?🤣
Is that person a he or a she? I don't want to know the politically correct woke answer, I mean do they have xx or xy chromosomes? Were the born with a penis or a vajayjay? Big feet or small feet. Etc.
Nobody complained about Dave until he made jokes about the LGBT community. People need to realize that nobody is special and you're not above being mocked.
Being satired is a form of respect. They're just too narcissistic to understand it. That they can't control their emotional state is not anyone else's problem.
I used to watch her videos because I thought she was super sweet, but She is just too damn sensitive. She be complain about South Park but literally South Park makes fun of everybody inside and out. She probably cries over knock knock jokes. I lost respects for her fully when she made that video about the transgender woman exposing herself to children and other women in the we spa, Because later on it came true with information and records that the trans woman was a sex offender and not even trans.. never made a part 2 video discussing that... Obviously
I would watch her too but i think she still lives with her parents or something at age 25. by the time I was that age I did 2 tours overseas and was homeless and tossed to the wolves so to speak. she is brutality sheltered.
She acc made a video addressing the wii spa thing and said at the time she didn't know about that and since changed her stance. It was something like adressing controversies
I have a theory that one of the reasons Dave included that bit was also to see if the haters/journalists would actually pay any attention to it. And they didn't lol
@@landresking3988 how am i support a community where every day/week a majority of them are sounding more and more ludicrous with what they want/need in terms of cooperation from other communities. "We want equality. But dont make fun of us like you do everyone else. That's offensive." What even is equality any more if doing things making you equal to everyone else is no longer viewed as "equality"
If u want equality then u take a joke like everyone else. Even kindergarteners know sticks & stones don't break your bones. For people who are SO INSISTENT on who they are they really lack a sense of self.
They don’t like the taste of true equality, which is where EVERYONE gets made fun of. They think being offended is good enough to make a case that their group should be made above the rest of us when it comes to jokes.
@@Laura-Yu They want to be above the rest of us when it comes to everything. If restaurants & businesses don't agree with their way of life they try to get them erased. Even if the other 95% of us go there all the time & enjoy those businesses. Their selfish as hell.
@@RockurworldMessenger Agreed, now I feel iffy about going to Wi Spa after that incident where Samantha Lux DEFENDED the s3x offender! As a Korean American I am so saddened that I feel that I need to avoid one of the few things that are inherently Korean because now I fear seeing a p3nis in a women section. Either that or no more Korean spas which hurt as a Korean American with Korean immigrant parents. It’s obvious that transwomen cannot think like women and understand how women have this inherent caution and fear being naked with someone who has male genitalia
That's the problem with taking the specific joke out of context and saying "all jokes about this=bad" Jokes aren't all the same. Who they're coming from isn't the same. HOW they're expressed isn't the same, some have tact, elegance, or can weave the minefield. That's why when people say you can't make jokes about X it's just silly. It's more about how the box is opened
The bootleg-woman says that because, in actuality, it is a dangerous collective given a lot of the collective is a pressure cooker of toxic masculinity and entitlement trying to smokescreen itself with estrogen. Wolves in sheep clothing. Protect your daughters extra careful and provide them defense tools for toilets, also teach your sons to be very careful on social media and especially Discord with any pronoun people going into their DMs to groom them as this has been an issue for quite a while now on gaming social media.
@@alainaruble163 You clearly can't comprehend shit but you probably aren't even a aware to realize it. Your comment has no relevance of I what was even said 🤣
There's a difference between making jokes about situations and jokes about people. There are so many objectively funny things about being trans, being poor, being gay, or being pretty much anything. You don't have to be like oh all gay men are weak or poor people are stupid or trans people are ugly which is exactly what he did.
Aba is speaking straight facts. The fact that “a white person shouldn’t make fun of a black persons struggles” and “a man shouldn’t make fun of a woman’s struggles”. It’s never framed the other way around. If minorities can make jokes, then everyone should. It’s a two way street. If you give it out, be prepared to take jokes back
People like this believe that if they feel "oppressed" they're justified to engage in the very behaviour that they hate having directed towards them. That's one of the BIGGEST problems with modern feminism.
@Alvin H notice how white jokes are all "they dress and speak proper, they've got good credit scores, they're rich etc" The most negative it gets is they don't have rhythm lol
"I am providing another perspective, an unbiased one." -Lux, an actual NPC. Lux is the living embodiment of a naive youth who hasn't got anywhere near enough worldly experiences, to be as smug as they are. Lux jumped to call women, specifically a black woman, a liar, during the Wi Spa scandal. Lux jumped to defend the supposed trans woman, flashing children and women in a spa. Turned out to be a sex offender. Instead of waiting for the facts, she couldn't stop herself from shitting on women for feeling unsafe. Lux just cannot pass on that opportunity, because any chance to reassert her victim status, helps validate her misogynistic views. "I have it worse than cisssssss-women, therefore I get to call them TERFs and bitches."
@@jackstack2136 of course it doesn’t matter, but perhaps they meant it as “oh look, they’re trying to act liberal and whatnot yet they’re the ones talking down at minorities”. At least i hope so.
@@jackstack2136 Race always matters in the context of how different races assess credibility. Her questioning the credibility of a black woman could have been a subconscious thing... Pretending that race doesn't matter, is like pretending that her trans background doesn't matter to how the world views her. So it matters in this context, A LOT actually.
It makes you question why anyone, especially, supposedly unbiased, open-minded individuals like Aba & Preach would even entertain what she has to say on such a delicate and nuanced situation...
Jokes don't cause violence, demanding special treatment causes violence. We all need the humility of being joked about. It may be you today, but it will be someone else tomorrow, and another the day after. I'm talking about actual comedic jokes, not crude attacks with a laugh track. Those I don't agree with.
Yup. I was walking through the airport tonight, and me and my coworkers saw this little kid running until he ran right into a lady’s shoulder bag. Almost knocking his head off. I nearly fell out. He zoomed right passed us a few seconds later. This kid was a ball of energy. 🤣
Yep, I always say either you can joke about everything or you cant joke about a single thing. Its all in the delivery, context and all of that. Leave it to the professional comics to figure out the delivery and such to make it palatable to most of us.
The thing is…I’ve heard members of the LGBTQIA+ make similar jokes as a way of discussing topics that would otherwise be very tense. Comedy is a way of safely delivering the truth with laughter.
@@kuroshm Q stands for questioning (questioning your sexuality), I stands for people who are born intersex (with male and female sexual organs or parts of them) and the A stands for asexual (people who don’t feel sexual attraction or are interested in sex). It’s ok to ask questions! Anyone who gets mad at your for that is wrong.
Do we even know of the percentage of the LGBT... people that are actually ok with the jokes? Cuz sometimes it's a minority with a loud voice that makes it seem as if though they all are against it.
When you're friend is an indigenous North American trans ex marine and you feel like you can't get a single word into the discussion coz they're VERY opinionated and disagree with a lot of your views simply due to being in a different boat, but they don't realize how agressive they are... it's hard to understand her when she gets defensive over my wanting education.
I grew up with a clubbed foot in the 70’s and 80’s. It was rough. Now I joke about it and in general I’m fairly thick skinned. The thing with bullying is that we encounter it all our through our lives. We also bully people ourselves even if we don’t realise it. Life contains a whole lot of hurt so we have to be reasonably tough. Not everyone’s going to like you, if you do or have anything that’s outside societal norms you are going to be noticed . Learn to ignore and just not let it get to you. Don’t be a winging victim. That’s just sad. At least respect yourself and others.
Same here man, except for me it was the 90s. Mine was bone not muscle and due to this I have significantly less muscle mass on one leg, it stands out. Ironically. Now I'm a self titled peg leg who leans into the negativity to derive humour from it. Strong and stable and all that 😂
So like is it cool for someone to just walk up to you and point out your foot and make fun of it like you never thought it was annoying or they should shut up? I think having thick skin and being able to joke about yourself is so great, really admirable qualities in a person, but I do think it's sad that the defense for offensive jokes is "you'll get made fun of no matter what you do so just take it and stop getting upset :)" Like...or people could change and be a little more positive
I want you to imagine yourself growing up today where social media is a thing. I had it hard, but at least I could forget for a bit after I left school. Some Kids today get bullied almost 24/7. I agree people should have tough skin, especially adults that grew up in the 90s or earlier, but to me that is similar to "rub some dirt on it" "Be a man" etc. Not a solution, just a way to survive it. We need better solutions.
As a Christian I’ve had my religion joked about and exaggerated in all kinds of comedy specials, movies, TV shows, you name it for years and years. Although it’s annoying at times, everyone is entitled to their own opinions of Christianity and how they want to discuss it/joke about it. If it bothers me I just don’t watch it, simple as that.
Exactly. There have been many times where I've not appreciated a joke abput Christianity. But i dont make a big deal about it and demand people stop making jokes about it. Though i will say that if i felt other religions were routinely made fun of the way Christianity was I wouldnt be nearly as bothered. Id likely laugh it off. What bothers me the most is that the majority of religion jokes take aim at Christianity. Almost as though theres a fear of offending believers of any other religion. (Kind of like "we can offend Christian's because many are conservatives so we dont care about their feelings. But don't you DARE joke about Muslims!") It just gets annoying that its the easy target.
Ironically, if a Christian made jokes about Jewish people the way Jewish people make jokes about Christians, you'd never work your job ever again and they'd make sure of it
@@e.starling141 It's because Christians are a majority. It has nothing to do with Christians being majority conservative, so is every other religion. Also, there's a bunch of factors that make jokes about say muslims less appealing. For one, most people don't have much first-hand experience with them, so where's the material? Two, comedians don't want to associate themselves with islamophobes. etc.
I find that most of the Christian jokes are about catholics, not protestants. You know, the whole catholic x little boys thing. I've yet to see a joke directed specifically towards protestants.
Absolutely. Like I'm Mexican- American and was laughing pretty damn hard when Bobby Lee made a joke recently about how to capture a Mexican by baiting them with scissors and chimichangas. It was a silly and exaggerated stereotype about how they love cutting stuff like lawns but it was a JOKE. Period. It's on me if I don't get it and take myself that effing seriously. And I certainly don't assume I represent and can speak for every other person that shares my ethnicity. I don't get this whole gatekeeper mindset at all.
“You guys are in the news all the time and that’s why we always talk about you guys” -Aba and Preach. Exactly. People aren’t obsessed about Trans people as much as they would like to think.
as someone with SA heritage, i have tons of relatives who always have A LOT to say about trans and gay people. and its unprompted most times. so she kinda has a point.
Exactly, most people don't care how they live their lives. Trans people like this really WANT us to care, they always want us to say something stupid so they HAVE TO get offended. Like buddy it ain't that deep.
In my opinion as a CIS parent of a trans child, a lot of what Chappelle says about transpeople is just wrong. He's confused in ways that I was once confused myself. That's not the same thing as hate, but he can and should be criticized. Should he be "cancelled"? Of course not. I doubt if anyone other than a few angry tweeters want that, but regardless, it's not going to happen. Speech is not censorship. It troubles me that Dave's defenders talk about how trivial it is to be offended by jokes, that it's no big deal, but then they turn around and lionize Dave Chapelle as a philosopher, prophet, a moral leader, etc. Yeah, but TRANSPEOPLE are taking it all too seriously? Okay. One day, Dave Chapelle is going to piss off his right wing fans, and I'm looking forward to that. I like Dave Chapelle, admire his gift, and intend to keep doing so, but let's start talking about transissues, not about Dave Chapelle.
This comment is the best one here. I watched the special and I laughed the whole time...but I know that Dave hasn't done much research, and his jokes about trans people came off as more naive. He's basically saying "you guys are way too offended for no reason because I don't take the time to truly understand even though I had a trans friend."
He wasn't but lets say he was. What If he's closet trans? By prohibiting his speech it impinges his own constitional rights. Impedes his right to pursue happiness
@@islandfantasy5931 you're okay with white people jokes? I'm assuming you're "caucasian." If you were white and a black lady made a "musty white people" joke, would you think it was okay? For society?
It stops being funny when bootleg-women such as the one this vid is about start making videos about how it's phobic and a hate crime not to date them, which constitutes emotional and semantic manipulation to elicit coercion of people into dating outside of their comfort zone via shaming and peer pressure, which is by root definition r**e culture.
My storyteller instructor once said that you can't create a film for everyone, and that there will always be a group of audience that will not like your work as well as the group that likes it. That's why many film makers have focused on telling the story and let the audience decide if they like it or not, than having to cherry-pick their audience and tell them a story they might not like. Long story short, if you don't understand how comedy or entertainment works, move the hell out the way and let those who understand it and enjoy it have their fun. Just because you personally don't agree or like something, it doesn't mean the rest of the world agrees with you on your decisions.
I agree with you 100% additionally, in order to tell great stories one must risk controversial topics. Art is supposed to push boundaries and challenge our beliefs, not pander to our feelings and the victimhood many people subscribe to. This is why movies and shows nowadays aren't as good because they aim to make everybody happy which still excludes many people at the same time. Art imitates life but not everybody is living the same life, but it seems like the LGBT community, in particular the trans community, only wants art that includes them and their experiences. If it's not putting them on a pedestal because they are marginalized people then it's an act of violence against them. Thanks for making such a good point bro.
@@r.s.j.creations3943 I tried to make the story short and couldn't add your part, 🙏🏾so thank you for finishing it. I know the pain of trying to watch movies or shows now days, it's like a mission, everything looks and feels the same. You scroll through 10s of pages to find one good movie that usually has 2-3 stars, and it's not because the movie is bad, it just means some snowflakes decided it is bad because their feelings are hurt by it.
I think it use to be like that,but the people on radical side of politics. Don't understand how to seperate fiction from nonfiction. Propgranda is number 1 when it comes to their story. Not letting the story stand for itself.
There's a difference between making jokes about situations and jokes about people. There are so many objectively funny things about being trans, being poor, being gay, or being pretty much anything. You don't have to be like oh all gay men are weak or poor people are stupid or trans people are ugly which is exactly what he did. so yes, we are right, daves an asshole. we arent immune to jokes, but the way he made our existence the fucking joke is not okay. imagine if he was white and made jokes like that about black people, cancelled for racism, but when its trans people its just a joke and were just annoying.
Okay… “comedy is only funny until it’s aimed at you, then it’s oppressive.” This line is the BEST that I have heard to explain so much about what is happening in the world today. Thank you for that
"I dont like it so its offensive" Is basically what im hearing. I thought my mom once made a homophobic joke but with this attitude now I understand she was actually right. Went something like : I have no problem with gay people, as long as they keep their business in their home and dont put it in my face every moment they can. Your trans, its fine. No need to remind me every 5 sec that your trans and the statistic and all that. I know youre trans, idgaf. Thats your issue, not mine. I now know you are trans, end of discussion. Not cause I wont date a trans person that im transphobe, just not how I swing is all. Ffs people...
The problem I have with people like this from certain communities like LGBT is, I swear most of them act the same, in the sense that their orientation, gender, sexuality is something they feel they need to wear on their sleeve and assume as a personality 150%. I swear most of them I've seen have like the same sass, attitude, even the same mannerism and phrases. Like friends I have who are trans/non binary, they have personalities other than that lol but not these people. That's why when they want representation so bad they demand it; they don't want deep characters, they just want an arbitrary quota.
@@mpmedia6735 I'm not talking about their topics, I'm talking about their personality. The sass, the specific kinds of phrases, the butthurt retorts, saying certain things so casually etc. I swear like a handful of them I've seen feel almost like carbon copies.
This is extremely ironic… they’re mocking her for being offended as a trans person by a transphobic joke but for that reason she’s a snowflake and can’t understand comedy and it’s just a joke and it’s funny until it’s directed at you blah blah blah… but when they react to Steven crowder they get upset and say it’s not humor and just racism bro people getting upset about jokes against them are ridiculous until it’s about your minority then you can be upset and calling comedians out. Every group, minority or majority, are being joked about, the difference is that Dave chapelle didn’t joke about trans people, he joked AGAINST trans people.
Steven crowder isn’t an established comedy, he is known for his conservative takes and racist undertone messages throughout his career. On the other hand Dave chappelle is a comedian that makes fun of everything and in real life does so much work and it’s bias in his take. All he is saying is comedians are off limits and the lgbt people punch down at every joke, so much so that everyone is afraid to make jokes of them and to make fun of them, there shouldn’t be a set of rules(like you’re proposing).
I always find it funny when people get all up in arms about Dave without realizing that he wrote the entire special for just one person: Daphne. In a way, it was a kind of obituary to her. That's why he honed in so much on the transissue and why I believe some think it wasn't as funny. He was telling the jokes she thought were funny and mourning the loss of a friend and it was all about those final ten minutes or so when he told us about her. Everything else was just a lead up to it.
🤨 *She was biased from the beginning. If she didn’t think the special was going to be controversially against her beliefs, then she would have never watched it. Even when Dave said things she agreed with, she glazed over those points to find other things to be upset about*
he didnt even mention the whole point of the show, to celebrate and remember the trans friend that killed themselves because of the trans community bulling them to suicide. which im not surprised in the least, that would defeat the narrative hes trying to prop up.
So a black guy was at the library, he went to the front desk and asked "Where can I use the colored printers?" The Librarian was stunned and after a few seconds stuttered, "Sir this is 2021! You can use any printer you want!"
I'm Asian and I loved that joke about his immune system beating up Asians. It was funny, creative, and was comedy gold. I didn't take it personally, because I also make fun of my friends who have their own ethnic backgrounds so we just shit on each other. People are so soft nowadays.
Paraphrase: "Only trans can make jokes about trans, only gays about gays." I am human, are you human? Yes? Great then I can make joke about you because that supersedes those categories.
Your 100% right but sometimes when a joke may go to far for some person and maybe hurt they’re feelings there should be clarification of it being a joke
I realized people who tend to not be ok with ‘’’punching down’’’ jokes, are usually the same people who aren’t really joking when making jokes, but indeed making fun of others with mean spirit intentions, hence why they assume everyone else is not genuinely joking but disguising bullying with humour like they always do.
the most upsetting thing about This is Dave Chappell was talking about his trans friend that took thier own life because the trans community attacked thier own. they just dont like people knowing that, and THAT'S why they are so upset.
Watched it during the first upload, shes full of hypocrisy. You guys called it. Also you are right about the direction comments of oppressor /victim crap. So easy to see this flawed logic a lot of people share
This is a non issue, Dave proved the exact point he was trying to make thru the series of jokes. It was a social experiment proven correct. The jokes were hilarious too, "Woman of the year" had me rolling.
@@kothar6159 the word you’re looking for is subjective, as in subject to personal interpretation, objective implies humour is absolute which it is not, but I get what you’re saying
The problem with the requirement to watch the whole thing in its entirety before offering critique is this: Complaints about content are complaints about the effect that this content will have on other people who watch the content. And it doesn’t necessarily take watching something in its entirety for something said to have an impact on people, their worldview etc. With something like Dave Chapelle’s special it doesn’t seem too terribly unreasonable to hope that the critic watches the whole thing, but for example, if I have some issue with some moment in Game of Thrones for example. Does that mean I need to watch the whole thing? By that same token, in a one hour special, depending on what’s being said, some critique might be called for, and some context is better than no context, but not everyone will watch the whole thing.
Please, this is a woman who: 1. Says that she doesn't disclose that she's trans to a date. 2. Agrees that if you don't want to date a trans person you're transphobic. So I don't care about what she cares.
The alphabet people are the most sensitive/hypocritical group I’ve ever witness, you either have to completely agree with every belief and thought or your horrible person transphobic/homophobic. Then they start trying bully you.
Mfw they get mad at the straights who explicitly state they don’t want to date trans people because they’re the same sex as them. The alphabet people confidently state that gender is different than sex then flip their narrative and say it’s transphobic when a straight dude won’t date a trans woman, a woman who has synthetic parts and remnants of their biological sex. It’s heteroSEXUAL. Opposite SEX attraction. Straight men want natural vaginas, not synthetic ones. If you like trans women, it makes you bi. Sincerely, an alphabet person
It’s all fun and cool until they support deceit, coercing, and rape. I’ve been in a sitch where this happened, but it was before the physical transition and surgery.
Really couldn’t give a f**k what the alphabet people have to say about anything. They get butt hurt when it suits them. F**k them & their mama. If it’s funny, I’m laughing
@@spekkio4551 trust me straight people aren't getting that heat like they give to the rest of us(LGBs). Mostly they don't go after men as they go after women(especially lesbians). Picture this: the T had a whole as$ convention discussing the meaning of "cotton ceiling" & ways to overcome it, which is a convention discussing on ways to get past people's boundaries and sleep with women esp lesbians that do not want to sleep with them.(the 'cotton' refers to our underwears, so ways to get past our underwears basically). Yeah, we're also called transphobic for not wanting TW cos they're males & they've gone as far as twisting reality saying that that their d3ck isn't "necessarily a male genitalia" cos "some w0mEn have d3cks" to gaslight us. So trust me, those ppl are unhinged & everyone's getting the brunt of it. U can't even have any gatherings, groups, threads etc without a T person demanding to b 'included'. 🥴
@@fruitspunchsamurai_g1148 it doesn’t matter that his wife is Asian. You can still have racists tendencies towards Asians (I don’t think Dave does but just making a point). Having a partner of said race doesn’t absolve you from racism. That’s just like people saying “I’m not racists I have black friends.” 🤦🏾♀️ It doesn’t matter 🙄
The whole "not making fun of people you arent a group of" is honestly tribalist mentality that further divides us. I wouldn't want to be friends with, let alone try to understand someone who I cant joke with/ about.
@@leonthefreon6765 people don’t realize how good they have it because they don’t truly know what oppression is . Samantha lux pretty much is against free speech. She was saying if your black you should only joke about black people and so on . So if it was up to her him or whatever, Samantha would restrict what people can and can’t say depending on who they are . Which is idiotic. People need to get a thicker skin .
@@rogersepeda yeah Abba and Preach edited a bit about that because in the original video they released before RU-vid took it down and they reuploaded it, Preach was making a good joke after Sam made fun of Dave Chappelle....such a hypocrite
@Vi Seconds people like her just hurt my head . No one tried to cancel Lilly Singh when she mostly bashed on straight white men . She should’ve been canceled a long time ago , not because of her comments on white men but because my dad jokes are better than her material. I can’t even squeeze out a pitty laugh . I feel embarrassed for her.
Samantha made a video detailing how you guys weren’t too crazy about Crowder making racist jokes, but it’s just jokes when it’s about transgender people. Obviously, everyone has topics that are a no fly zone for them. But, you guys are being genuinely hypocritical whether on purpose or not and it goes to show that even people that think they have the unbiased views are just as susceptible to cognitive dissonance.
Funny thing is i have yet to see on person talk about how Dave's trans friend committed suicide because of how badly the trans community bullied them for standing up for him. Not one.
I have. Unfortunately, when it’s rarely brought up, they accuse Dave of using Daphne as a shield against his “transphobia”. Which I don’t agree with, nothing about his story felt exploitative.
@@TheShockVox I mean, Chappelle's whole special did have an annoying undertone of "I'm not transphobic look at my tranny homie lolz" he would be calling out any White person who did that "My Black Friend" tokenism so Chappelle kinda comes off as a righteous hypocrite to me
@@TheTranceCartel I can understand that but I respectfully disagree. I don’t feel like it was at least intended to be that way. For example when he talks about when Daphne was offended and they had a talk. “What I need you to understand is what I’m going through is a human experience.” Those words really sat with me and made me rethink some preconceived notions I had about trans people.
I have spoken with a person in another country where coming out can get you landed in jail, so if your biggest issue is someone making fun of a group of people(not anyone in particular), you are too sensitive, because you can live so open and free while others have to perpetually hide not just because of their potential families, but for their lives. Respect those who died for you to have the freedom to be open about your sexuality and try not to let comments get to you, they are only powerful if you let them be.
I had a similar conversation with someone a while back on here! I think for a country like America, the loud and proud citizens live in their comfortable bubble for so long, they don’t truly know what pain is like. As you said, it’s a crime to be a member of the LGBT+ community in that country whereas in the US, we don’t live in those times anymore.
That's the same argument as standing/not for the flag/anthem that undercover racists use to demean a whole movement , those people who died died for their freedom to say what they want as well , if they want to complain. Let them
okay so i should just allow myself and my existence to be the butt of the joke, imagine if it were someone black as the butt of the joke and dave was white, he would be cancelled, thrown off networks and have shows cancelled. double standard bullshit
As a fello virgo man our jokes are definitely designed to be dangerous. Since the tran millennial community is looking for enemies why not indulge them? Comedians have a responsibility to push the boundaries. The sexual identification community seems to think they have as many if not more boundaries than anyone else all together. There's a reason their older lesbian and gay community don't acknowledge them either. Rational people are not here to identify with every single stripe on a zebra or gender for every mood. When did the point to life become being completely full of shit???
At the end of Dave Chappelle’s 2017 Special “Equanimity”, he told the crowd to not come see him anymore if they somehow feel like it’s OK to beat up Trans People after hearing his jokes about them. Ppl would know he does care about their community if you actually follow him through his career
Nobody is immune to jokes, not immune to critisism, and definitely nobody is immune to having toxicity and something worth criticizing in their life or their group. Trans community just seem to be the only ones thinking they immune and perfect and that the world need to bow to them. We done with it already. You are one of us. Human. Thats it.
it's the demographic with the highest rates of suicide, sexual assault and homelessness, and you think just because you see fabulous white trans people on twitter, that THEY'RE the ones people are trying to defend? Imagining staring down the barrel of a gun, contemplating suicide after being molested at 15 at a homeless shelter because your parents didn't want you, and then be told the pussy you don't even have yet is like the impossible burger and you need to take a joke. Fucking class acts.
@@Nazareadain yeah, you didnt exactly make a connection with what I said to whatever you're going on about. but hey, I actually was molested. For 3 or so years starting at the age 5 years old, and then growing up with it swept under the rug which in turn made me feel I had to resort to self harm and almost suicide. So yeah, I can actually imagine it. You know what I do when people make suicide, self harm, and gross molestation and pedo victims jokes? I say "uhuh, gross...moving on then." When my dad would make wrist cutting jokes before he knew I was hurting myself, it didn't help at all, but you think if he didn't do it, it'd make things all better? You think I would've been unmolested and my depression gone? No. Get your priorities straight and actually look at the source of the problem if you wanna be passionate about these issues. You're not fixing anything with this shallow argument. This first world country is full of love and support for trans. Besides, you didn't even seem to have actually read what it is I said anyways. It just made you mad and you went the emotional route. So you can go ahead and try to actually form a proper argument in context with what I said, or go get some therapy. My point still stands that the twitter trans mob is toxic. They are not immune to jokes, and especially not immune to criticism. They are human, just like me and everyone else. And you really think a person staring down the barrel of a gun is doing that because they're thinking and crying that some black guy joked that their non existent vagina is like the impossible burger?? YOU tell me what it would've been that got them to that point in their life. Im gonna take a guess (and partially based off my own experience) that it has a WHOLE LOT more to do with being unwanted by parents, the molestation, which causes a complete lack in confidence and motivation in life, as well as a lack in trust in others, which causes major depression and other mental illnesses, which then causes a lack in friendship and support and any motivation to find it, and continuing this cycle to the point that anything and everything is either numb to you, or any tiny thing will tip you over the edge. So tell me, what is the real problem there? You just wanna nit pick some dudes offensive humour that you dont like, or do you actually want to get to the source of the issue? Shutting somebody's act down because you think it'll help the mental state of somebody in that extreme position, is like you thinking that slapping a bandage on a bullet wound with the bullet still in there is gonna help. Now. You wanna actually respond to what I originally said, or you just wanna keep trying to be emotionally manipulative? You're just piling dead bodies in front of me because you just dont like that I stated the fact that every group has got something within it to be called out for. If I'm not bending over backwards for toxic people, im certainly still not going to just because they claim to be trans. If you're a toxic person, then you're a toxic person regardless of what your pronouns are. If a group got something toxic in it, then that part is toxic.
This is the same person that defended the trans serial offender that exposed themselves at wii spa 🤦🏾♂️ no one should take anything they say seriously. This person is clearly biased and delusional
@@christellefrancios2038 I’m referring to Samantha lux who defended the Wii spa creep that was exposing themselves in the women’s section, who also has a long history of doing so and was already under investigation for doing it recently. He claimed it was a transphobic hoax and called the victims who recorded the video and shared it liars. Now that it was revealed the police arrested and charged the offender and that the situation was real, they have nothing to say on it and won’t even admit they were wrong.
This isn't about tolerance or acceptance any more. This is about control and covering up personal weakness. A lot of people have had to deal with bullying in their lives, and Dave's jokes were a FAR cry from anything like that. If you can't deal with a few jokes at your expense when they aren't even meant to be malicious, then you need to spend some time working on yourself or the world is going to eat you alive.
@@yaboibSLT but bullying is not the solution. It just worsens the person's mind state by causing him traumas, forcing him to take innapropriate measures like self isolation, even suicide. If you need to keep them in check, educate them properly on the subjects you re talking about. If they are not listening, then just avoid them.
I try to tell non blacks that we are probably more homophobic than any other group (maybe a little less than deep south catholics) . ESPECIALLY rappers.
Nah Arabs take the cake & its not even close. They got stones for you. Blacks, Latinos & Eastern Euros are tied for 2nd, asians a close 3rd then yall can do the rest.
These are the "everyone gets a trophy" generation now grown up. Offended by everything, thinks they deserve divine justice when offended and a need to police social media.
@@Kensane12 as a Christian, im offended by your religiousless behaviour!just kidding! I laugh at Kanyes Priesthood!its all about the evasion of taxes for that dude!
99% of the time someone says they don't care they care but trying to act badass. Not caring isn't a sign of being tough or cool or smart. If you don't care you don't care and you drop it and walk away without drama. If you don't shrug it off or have to comment even if that comment is I don't care we all know you're caring.
“Only trans can make fun of trans” nah lady, just grow some thicker skin. Lol. There you go guys, I made it lady instead of dude, you can stop correcting me now.
Random question but.. if a woman stops wearing weaves and makeup they're still a woman right? So why do trans women almost always need to wear weaves and makeup if they are 'real' women? With all this talk about 'gender fluidity' and 'gender not being real/being a social construct' why then conform to gender roles and/or stereotypes constructed by society?
Not all content is made for everyone, I don't know when people started forgetting this. If I don't like a comic, I just don't watch them any longer and assume I'm not the audience. I move on with my life.
Sure, but Dave's entire special was basically dedicated to the specific subject of trans people. It really is only natural that they react and respond to it.
@@aldomartinez2905 Not it isn't. A white person won't actively seek out comedians that make white jokes, a black person doesn't either, or anyone for that matter. The fact that they care enough about comments made about them shows a lack of security in who they are
@@themanbehindyou.216 White comedians get criticism for making jokes about black people all the time, black comedians also get criticized for making jokes about white people. Another important factor here is that Dave wasn't even telling jokes half of the time, he was just preaching his stance on trans issues.
If Dave ever gets canceled.(which won't happen). Do they realize it would just make him correct and everything he ever said about the alphabet people straight facts. Dave is a genius
Am I only allowed to call her annoying, if I identify as annoying myself? Does 'having a sense of humour' count as a protected characteristic, so only those who also have a sense of humour can comment on it?
I always thought SAGA (Sexuality And Gender Acceptance) would be a better acronym than LGBTQIA+. It also works on 2 levels because a saga is a long story of heroic achievement. It may be a bit of stretch but I think discovering who you are, living your best life, & not caring what others think about is a long story of heroic achievement.
“Not trying to get him fired.” Who’s going to fire Dave Chappelle? Fired from what? Only the people who are REALLY their own boss, can say the kind of shit that Dave says
She was issuing a statement to say that she’s not calling for his cancellation, only critiquing his comedy (which everyone seemed to ignore and jump down her throat anyways so it was useless)
So basically, Dave can make fun of any community, religion, culture even disability for years...but the trans community is off-limits? okay. Her video without a shadow of doubt proved his point.
It just isn’t funny…they are such outdated jokes that comes with zero understanding of the community and the trans experience. You can make jokes, but when you have zero understanding it just comes off as tacky
Yes it's time to tend to the daffodil garden that is the LGBTQ community plus some... So much for proving to everyone wrong that they can be just as capable , versatile and equal with everyone. They blew that chance to be taken seriously a long time ago...
